Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, KerleyQ said:

OK, I had to go look. Yeah, he helped Britt use the Lante embryo and try to pass it off as Patrick's baby. He also helped her fake some lab tests to show that she was suffering with hyperemesis gravidarum, so that Patrick would feel obligated to take care of her. When Patrick found out the baby wasn't his, Brad claimed to be the father, so the Lante secret wouldn't come out. 

Again, though, none of that had a thing to do with Portia. The people it did affect - Patrick, Sabrina, Lulu, and Dante - are almost all off screen. And the one who is still around, Dante, doesn't have any kind of connection to Portia. (I know Lulu is technically back around, but, again, she has nothing to do with Portia.) And she can't even attempt to claim that she just has such a strong moral code around this shit that his past behavior sickens her, because, well, pot, meet kettle. Fucking with Heather's test results isn't even the first time Portia has blown right past ethical boundaries. And is she going to pretend that lying about a baby's parentage is abhorrent to her?  Because, again, pot, meet kettle. She fucked over Taggert, Curtis, and Trina for around 20 years, because it was more convenient for her to let Taggert think he was Trina's father. 

And Portia wasn't even around the whole stealing the embryo and implanting it in Britt! 

Again, I am still having trouble trying to connect the dots at her over the top hate for Brad.

[dubbel zout]

I really hope they didn't bring back Brad solely to be Portia's stooge, but it's looking that way, sigh.

1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Again, I am still having trouble trying to connect the dots at her over the top hate for Brad.

It's misplaced fear that he'll discover she changed Heather's test results. 

Edited October 4 by dubbel zout

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 minute ago, dubbel zout said:

I really hope they didn't bring back Brad solely to be Portia's stooge, but it's looking that way, sigh.

[tessaray]

9 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

In light of past Chiefs-of-Staff like Steve Hardy, Monica and Alan Quartermaine, Portia and Terry really, really suck.

To be fair, after Steve Hardy died there were alot of shenanigans involved in the CoS position. But Alan eventually grew into the job, as did Monica. And it was fine watching Britt and Terry evolve into a real team. They should have just left Terry as the solo Chief since they don't give her much to do anyway. 

[Ambrosefolly]

8 hours ago, graight said:

I was just thinking that Portia should become an honorary Carly.

OK, so I almost always root for the underdog (AJ, Zander, Skye, Nina, Ava and now Brad and Heather).  I'm hoping Heather has her day in court notwithstanding whatever it was she did before the Hook. Too far back for me to remember (reminders are welcome, though).  I'm curious as to how they will have her interact with PC folks when/if she gets out of prison. Did I miss the part where Heather told Alexis that Ric has already done independent cobalt tests? Why is Alexis' big idea to get another test?

Speaking of Alexis, probably my favorite character because NLG is so good.  I love that she's not wearing makeup and I would bet that is her decision.  Who wears makeup in prison?

 

I like the underdog myself, but the way the show redeems truly sociopathic and destructive murderers, I just can't anymore. AJ, Zander, Skye and are totally different than people like Heather and Ava. We saw it for ourselves how Sonny & Carly (with Jason's help) ruined AJ, that Jason and Courtney framed Zander for Courtney shooting that cop, and Skye was an old school schemer, but didn't actively murder or kidnap innocent people. Now Nina and Brad are little more grey: they did commit out right crimes, but in Nina's defense, she probably was insane after being put into a 20 year coma by her mother and finding out she was infertile when she nearly killed Ava by forcing her to give birth and kidnapping Avery, and Brad did try and blackmail Michael into sleeping with him (I don't like Michael, but that was pretty sleazy) and kept Wiley because he was afraid of losing Lucas, but luckily no one died. In a lot of ways, Brad is a fresh update of schemers like Tracy and Skye.

But Ava and Heather did kill people and do other terrible things. But they brushed it aside for Ava and now they are doing it with Heather. Now, the cobalt poisoning thing, I get it is attempting to be a bit of a reset: Guza did turn her into a unstable murderous killer obsessed with Luke with one of his recons, but she wasn't a good person before that. 

34 minutes ago, Daisy said:

not even that. she couldn't be bothered to figure out beause "why should I, you left.". This is why i am so mad that they ditched the schirzophrenzia storyline. like you just robbed Taggert of his daughter just for fun? let it have some consequences!

If there is a consequence worth having, the show won't do it: see my post right above. With Sonny committing murder on Monica's property and Michael and Jason covering it up, that should be the last draw for Monica, and Michael and Jason should be banished from her property, only allowing Jake and Michael's kids, until they give Sonny up. But none of that will happen

10 minutes ago, tessaray said:

I think some of it is secondhand due to his close friendship with Britt but Portia has a rigid and extremely high moral code... for everyone other than herself or Trina. She's seriously unhinged when it comes to her adult daughter. (Not that Carly wouldn't do the same things for her own but even Carly wouldn't demand the whole world treat Joss like a priceless hothouse orchid.) 

No, Carly demands that treatment of Michael and she might demand that treatment of Joss if it came down to it. 

[Desperado]

17 hours ago, statsgirl said:

My local station is runnng rerums of Killjoys and I really want Delle Seyah to come on GH and smack Portia for being such an incompetent villain.

LOVED her and I’m sad this fun show ended.

Missed yesterday’s show so I have no further comment.

[tessabq]

Rebecca Herbst has a gift for bringing out the best in her fellow actors. The best scene Jason has had since his return was with Elizabeth at the pool. She's great with ALL the actors who have played her sons. She makes less tolerable characters tolerable. 

And she and JJ have mad emotional chemistry. 

She's a jewel and I'm happy to have her back where she belongs, as a lead character. 

 

[mostlylurking]

5 hours ago, driver18 said:

 

And that is why I sighed and swooned. It was just perfect.

Yes!  The brush strokes line was another that could have been corny and weird, but it just wasn’t.  It was stated so simply and hit all the right notes.

[Bringonthedrama]

So right after changing his clothes (but not washing his hair?), Lucky seeks out Sonny to express gratitude for Carly, Jason and Anna bringing him back?! UGH. It's fine to talk about Luke, but actually listening to Sonny's parenting advice? UGH. You're afraid to face Aiden? Oh boo hoo. I liked Isaiah telling Lucky Elizabeth is awesome.

I can't with nuLucas being all gushy toward Joss and Carly about how much he's missed his family. I couldn't watch LW's fake laughing and this vibe that Carly and nuLucas adore each other/are close. UGH.

Ava confronting Portia was well done.  Portia is acting like she's going to have a meltdown any moment now.

Joss, mind your business. I liked Trina giving her attitude. Enough with the Gio propping.

Sonny is fine with Alexis being in Pentonville because he thinks they just need to find the gun she tossed and then the mess he made will be over. So clearly Sam will die diving for the gun and it's his fault.

That better be Aiden that Lucky is apologizing to in Monday's preview.

 

[statsgirl]

Usually I complain about the writing on this show but Lucky asking if Isaiah hit on Liz is lovely and subtle.

But if Lucky is going to go around wearing his hair shirt and beating himself up for not being in Port Charles for much longer, I'm going to be wishing him back in Africa. Especially since he still hasn't gone to talk to Aiden yet, just moaned about what a bad dad he is. Also, wash your hair Lucky.

So Gio loves playing outdoors so he goes to play outside Bobbie's. If only the Quartermaine mansion had some outdoor grounds where he could play.

Portia is so bad at being bad. An innocent person would have wanted to know why the GH results were different and rushed to correct any problems.

Why are there brain scans running on Brad's computer monitor? That's nothing to do with his lab. It's just as bad as all the General Nursing texts in Finn's office.

I hope Garth got sent home from school too.  Brook Lynn and Chase are so boring as a couple, the writers have to create Violet drama.

Chase, what is stopping you from putting a boot on their car is the law. There are consequences for police harassment.

I like the new Lucas but his conversations with Carly are pure Zzzzzzz.

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

not even that. she couldn't be bothered to figure out beause "why should I, you left.". This is why i am so mad that they ditched the schirzophrenzia storyline. like you just robbed Taggert of his daughter just for fun? let it have some consequences!

This is very on point for Portia, she likes her own emotional comfort and refuses to look at her actions in terms of whether they are right or wrong. She does what is required to maintain her personal comfort levels and to hell with everyone else. 

I'm betting that the show will justify what she is doing and handwave it all away. Just look at Ava today excusing her changing the test results.

3 hours ago, Daisy said:

yeah. on reddit a LOT of people feel Molly is int he right, Kristina is just this pampered coddled so and so and Alexis deserves what she's getting because she allows all of that. and I am like... i think i missed something lol

It makes me sad that people just accept what they're told instead of looking below the surface and figuring out the situation.

[KittyQ]

On 9/25/2024 at 12:58 PM, dubbel zout said:

Jordan, why does it matter what Kristina might have done with the baby? It won't ever happen now. 

You would expect that as a law officer, Jordan would know that hypotheticals and speculations are not evidence. But she, along with TJ and Molly, think that Kristina should pay for what she might have done. As Alexis pointed out, there's no way to know what would have happened if Kristina hadn't fallen out the window. 

[dubbel zout]

Lucas, another relative Carly has had little use for in the past but is now a bestie.

4 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

So Gio loves playing outdoors so he goes to play outside Bobbie's. If only the Quartermaine mansion had some outdoor grounds where he could play.

What is Gio besides a violinist? The show has done nothing to tell me who he is.

I laughed when Portia was all offended that Ava thought she messed with Heather's test results. Who else would?

Why is Ric talking to Ava about Heather's case? It's so dumb he has no one else.

Anvils ahoy! If Isaiah says he's never going into an operating room again, he's going into an operating room again.

[Bringonthedrama]

5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I laughed when Portia was all offended that Ava thought she messed with Heather's test results. Who else would?

She could blame Brad, saying that Heather murdered his best friend Britt and he wants her to pay for it by staying in prison. 

[dubbel zout]

Portia could blame Brad, but the electronic records point to her, not him. 

[Cheyanne11]

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Lucas, another relative Carly has had little use for in the past but is now a bestie.

The devil works hard, but the writers of this show work harder to make Carly GH's matriarch.

[Desperado]

I remember Van Hansis from ATWT, and he doesn’t work for me as a trauma surgeon, at all. Where’s the confidence and arrogance? Maybe if he had a car accident and lost his ability to operate, then had been on a bender for 3 years and just come out of recovery, but not as he’s written now.

Granted, I was on the barge and didn’t see most of the Brad/Lucas courtship so I might be missing something.

Even Carly wants to help Alexis and Sonny’s all “not my problem”. Blerch.

Maura looks absolutely fabulous today and she got her brain and caring for Trina back - yeah!

[KittyQ]

Maybe Drew's creepy stalking of Willow will end up in a story about his political downfall in a "Me Too" sort of story.

[Sake614]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Portia could blame Brad, but the electronic records point to her, not him. 

Never fear, Ava will fix that 🙄

[TVbitch]

Now that Carly has saved the day for Lucky and Lulu, she is off to save Alexis. Mighty Mouse got nothin' on Carly! 

I liked the old Lucas actor, but this one might fall into place. Points off for sucking up to Carly, of course. Meanwhile, not a word that comes out of Gio's mouth sounds like an actual person conversating.

Chase and BLQ bring this show to a dead stop every time they appear. Poor JS to get stuck in this situation. And BLQ was more interesting before she became a paragon of virtue who dreams of motherhood. 

 

[JMO]

Poor BK.  Portia is still beautiful, but she is no longer the capable, upstanding, kind physician and role model to her daughter.  She's become so needy, paranoid and scheming that she's pretty much unrecognizable, and I feel for the actress to have been put through the complete mangling of her character.  

I like the dynamic between Gio and Trina, and I hope their relationship grows to the point where he can be her support through the inevitable discovery of Portia's machinations.  

Not particularly a fan of the "Bad Dads Mutual Support Group".

To my mind, the Chase/BrookLynn/Violet story is extremely poorly written.  Everything is treated as emotionally heavy, with ominous music and worried glances exchanged every time the poor kid says or does anything.  Guys, she's just a little girl who needs some sense of normalcy while she misses her father.  Give it to her.

[Daisy]

16 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Chase and BLQ bring this show to a dead stop every time they appear. Poor JS to get stuck in this situation. And BLQ was more interesting before she became a paragon of virtue who dreams of motherhood. 

 

honestly I don't feel sorry for JS. He & AS want to be Amish so they get nothing fun. I honestly don't understand why you would want to be on a soap opera and not want to do anything Soap Opera-y but whatever

 

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

It makes me sad that people just accept what they're told instead of looking below the surface and figuring out the situation.

yeah. i get that
honestly while I understand why Molly is upset - she's acting like a toddler  "you like Kristina so you totally can't like me!". again i think for one shining moment when Molly was stating that she learned how to never lean on Alexis and Alexis was all sobby but I WANTED YOU TOO. YOU CAN YOU KNOW was great because i think it unearthed another layer of Molly/Alexis, but then they've done NOTHING to it because Molly's pissed off at anyone who has any sympathy at all towards Kristina. it was fine the first week but now?

 

5 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

If there is a consequence worth having, the show won't do it: see my post right above. With Sonny committing murder on Monica's property and Michael and Jason covering it up, that should be the last draw for Monica, and Michael and Jason should be banished from her property, only allowing Jake and Michael's kids, until they give Sonny up. But none of that will happen

i know. so frustrating. 

[Bringonthedrama]

51 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

I liked the old Lucas actor, but this one might fall into place. Points off for sucking up to Carly, of course.

I liked RC as well. This actor seems like he'd be a better fit for an adult Sly (some may remember when child JJ-Lucky and cousin Sly had fun). 

Carly was all "your family needs you." Well, I'm sure it's going to be awesome the next few times Lucas gets the gut punches of seeing Wiley with Grandma Carly or with his replacement parents and little sister. Even if Michael divorces Willow after finding out about Drew and Willow, it's not like Michael would give Wiley back to Lucas.

It's weird to me that Lucas would want to come back. His mother is deceased, both of his fathers are deceased, he's going to have to see Wiley raised by his nephew, he has to work around the ex-husband who betrayed him, one sister and her eldest daughter are vapid narcissists, the other sister is soon gone. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

On 10/4/2024 at 7:32 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

It's weird to me that Lucas would want to come back. His mother is deceased, both of his fathers are deceased, he's going to have to see Wiley raised by his nephew, he has to work around the ex-husband who betrayed him, one sister and her eldest daughter are vapid narcissists, the other sister is soon gone. 

I didn't even recognize this character I saw today posing as Lucas. Happy go lucky and thrilled to see Cujo and calling her "Sis"? What the everlovin' FUCK??

He's no Ryan Carnes, that's for damned sure. And I guess he's past grieving the death of Bobbie, eh? Just as Mills is NOT Heather, this guy isn't Lucas; just like the other recast after Ryan left with that black-headed dude we saw for a few scenes-during which he told Brad he didn't want anything more to do with him. And now this one is again telling Brad "you are dead to me foreverandever"? It's redundant, and again Show treating its viewers like they're stupid.

Cujo showed NONE of the compassion or empathy when she was jumping for joy at Wiley being ripped from Lucas's arms to be handed over to the SLS. Bobbie also failed as a mother there. I understand Ryan wasn't available or willing (?) to return (except for Jackie), but for fuck's sake, how about trying to stay in character or enough so he's recognizable?

And Cujo can just take several FUCKING, FUCKING SEATS about Lucas being family, along with Mini-Cujo with her shit eating grin and open arms for hugs, which this Pod!Lucas just grinned and jumped right in.

While I didn't like that Lucky went to Mooby-I did snort and giggle that his hug wasn't effusive; it looked like Lucky did it, as a perfunctory gesture. And I can accept that because JJ's Lucky had a good relationship with Mooby. It was Larry that hated him and Jason. Sigh...But I'm thinking JJ is getting this all out of the way for when he and Genie finally reunite as adult Lucky and Laura. I know I'll be having my Kleenex handy when I watch.

When JJ was able to change dialogue he didn't care for, I'm confident he won't be shy about speaking up if these asshats DARE to try and write shit Lucky wouldn't say or do. As I've seen this week, JJ has been hitting it on every level and his return has been seamless. Gimme Lucky, Elizabeth, Laura, Robert, Mac, eventually Lulu, and Aiden. Everyone else can go Fuck off and do whatever they want.

Because, BECAUSE, just whose life did Jagger EVER destroy? That would be Mooby who has ruined countless lives and murdered. So again, STFU Cujo, you heifer.

Edited October 6 by GHScorpiosRule

[Maelstrom]

6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Again, I am still having trouble trying to connect the dots at her over the top hate for Brad.

Because Brad (and PS) are among my very favorites on this show, and I can't have nice things.

6 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I really hope they didn't bring back Brad solely to be Portia's stooge, but it's looking that way, sigh.

5 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

So clearly Sam will die diving for the gun and it's his fault.

Except nothing is ever Sonny's fault in Port Charles, so Sam's death will probably be blamed on Nina. Or Ava. Or Brad. Or maybe a conspiracy between all three.

[Cheyanne11]

I'm old enough to remember when Joss withheld her friendship from Cam because he committed the unforgivable sin of thinking Jason, a (checks notes) hit man, committed a (refers back to notes) crime.  And even when Cam apologized she wasn't sure she could ~forgive him because he *thought* it.  So she can fuck all the way off until next year with her "we can all agree to disagree" mantra.  

[Bringonthedrama]

43 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I didn't even recognize this character I saw today posing as Lucas. Happy go lucky and thrilled to see Cujo and calling her "Sis"? What the everlovin' FUCK??

He's no Ryan Carnes, that's for damned sure. And I guess he's past grieving the death of Bobbie, eh? Just as Mills is NOT Heather, this guy isn't Lucas; just like the other recast after Ryan left with that black-headed dude we saw for a few scenes-during which he told Brad he didn't want anything more to do with him. And now this one is again telling Brad "you are dead to me foreverandever"? It's redundant, and again Show treating its viewers like they're stupid.

 

Yeah, I think nuLucas should have been cast as Sly. I agree that casting the very tall, black-haired actor as Lucas for a few scenes before Lucas left town off-screen was a weird choice.

NuLucas gushing about how he's missed his family would make sense if he had showed up on Maxie's doorstep to visit her and Aunt Felicia. He's been their family since Bobbie and Tony adopted him when he was a baby. Behaving this way with Carly and Joss is absurd. I think RC's Lucas had maybe one scene with Joss the entire time he was on GH? Carly acted like Lucas had been a loving foster parent when he gave up Wiley to her son. She rarely mentioned him and had zero interest in his life after that scene.

[Ambrosefolly]

59 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I didn't even recognize this character I saw today posing as Lucas. Happy go lucky and thrilled to see Cujo and calling her "Sis"? What the everlovin' FUCK??

He's no Ryan Carnes, that's for damned sure. And I guess he's past grieving the death of Bobbie, eh? Just as Mills is NOT Heather, this guy isn't Lucas; just like the other recast after Ryan left with that black-headed dude we saw for a few scenes-during which he told Brad he didn't want anything more to do with him. And now this one is again telling Brad "you are dead to me foreverandever"? It's redundant, and again Show treating its viewers like they're stupid.

Cujo showed NONE of the compassion or empathy when she was jumping for joy at Wiley being ripped from Lucas's arms to be handed over to the SLS. Bobbie also failed as a mother there. I understand Ryan wasn't available or willing (?) to return (except for Jackie), but for fuck's sake, how about trying to stay in character or enough so he's recognizable?

And Cujo can just take several FUCKING, FUCKING SEATS about Lucas being family, along with Mini-Cujo with her shit eating grin and open arms for hugs, which this Pod!Lucas just grinned and jumped right in.

See, right there. A rivalry or at least a resentment that should exist. I don't mind Lucas not constantly hating on Carly, but  Lucas should definitely have a problem with her, which could have been stirred up with Bobbie's death. She never apologized for her role in breaking up his parents marriage when he was a child, nor lying to his Tony and driving him crazy (which caused Tony from being able to see Lucas and Lucas even being afraid of him), and judging by Carly reaction to Dante when he brought up when she paid Brooklynn to break up Lante, she probably would be equally dismissive. 

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While I didn't like that Lucky went to Mooby-I did snort and giggle that his hug wasn't effusive; it looked like Lucky did it, as a perfunctory gesture. And I can accept that because JJ's Lucky had a good relationship with Mooby. It was Larry that hated him and Jason. Sigh...But I'm thinking JJ is getting this all out of the way for when he and Genie finally reunite as adult Lucky and Laura. I know I'll be having my Kleenex handy when I watch.

I don't remember Lucky particular hating Sonny, only Jason. Once Larry sobered up and the Liason/LL2 drama died down, he wasn't particular vindictive toward Jason, he just didn't have any use for him. It was my favorite attitude of Lucky  towards the mob. 

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Because, BECAUSE, just whose life did Jagger EVER destroy? That would be Mooby who has ruined countless lives and murdered. So again, STFU Cujo, you heifer.

While Jagger was going around the bend near the end, it felt like a Frank Grimes (Simpsons) situation where karma barely touches that waste of skin Sonny and it pisses him off.(At least Homer is only a buffoon, not inherently evil).

One thing that the show is picking up from the Guza years is despite the shit Sonny stirs up, nearly unprovoked, somehow it is the people he victimizes who are the real villians. You know how Michael got shot in the head from a bullet meant for Sonny by a hit put out by Claudia (she didn't pull the trigger or was even there). Well, Claudia did it not because she wanted Sonny's territory, but because he kidnap her brother/son Johnny. She even gave Sonny a chance to release Johnny immediately with no issue, and Sonny refused. Then he is shocked, shocked that a mobster would make good on her threat. 

[hypnotoad]

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In light of past Chiefs-of-Staff like Steve Hardy, Monica and Alan Quartermaine, Portia and Terry really, really suck.

Agreed but to be fair, the writers actually used to care and focus on hospital stories.

I have to admit I am loving the Lucky/Elizabeth stuff. The actors still have a ton of chemistry much like AG and GF. And I will agree with one and all: Lucky needs a shower and needs to wash that hair!!

[ciarra]

Fugly, but cheap.  I don't mind the earrings, I'm just including them should someone need to have them.

I really hoped chain belts weren't coming back, but Ava (and Diane) have been wearing them. 

Ava needs to lose the pink and vanilla ice cream Barbie girl look.  ymmv.

In other news, has Trina finished her "Back to School" shopping in October, yet?  I think you need to return to class before midterms.

[Suicidy]

On 10/3/2024 at 4:40 PM, dubbel zout said:

Someone at GH should drag Lucky into the staff showers and tell him not to come out until he's scrubbed himself pink and shiny. Only then will they resume testing him as a match for Lulu.

Adult JJ has always been kind of scruffy, but this is ridiculous.

Is that a thing?  Got to tell you, as a guy I wouldn’t mind being dragged into a shower for a thorough scrubbing by a couple of soap opera attractive nurses.

[Mirabelle]

Gio must be the easiest character to write for. Need some exposition? Give it to Gio? Need to fill a few minutes of an episode? Have Gio play the violin. No need to think of a story of him - he exists to give people a few minutes to grab a snack or a drink. 

Also, NO ONE IS BUYING CARLY AS SOMEONE WITH A SIBLING MUCH LESS A SIBLING THEY ARE CLOSE TO MUCH LESS THAT SIBLING BEING LUCAS. All this Spencer family togetherness is unearned from the Carlies. 

And Portia is just too stupid to live.

Edited October 5 by Mirabelle

[graight]

12 hours ago, Ambrosefolly said:

I like the underdog myself, but the way the show redeems truly sociopathic and destructive murderers, I just can't anymore. AJ, Zander, Skye and are totally different than people like Heather and Ava. We saw it for ourselves how Sonny & Carly (with Jason's help) ruined AJ, that Jason and Courtney framed Zander for Courtney shooting that cop, and Skye was an old school schemer, but didn't actively murder or kidnap innocent people. Now Nina and Brad are little more grey: they did commit out right crimes, but in Nina's defense, she probably was insane after being put into a 20 year coma by her mother and finding out she was infertile when she nearly killed Ava by forcing her to give birth and kidnapping Avery, and Brad did try and blackmail Michael into sleeping with him (I don't like Michael, but that was pretty sleazy) and kept Wiley because he was afraid of losing Lucas, but luckily no one died. In a lot of ways, Brad is a fresh update of schemers like Tracy and Skye.

But Ava and Heather did kill people and do other terrible things. But they brushed it aside for Ava and now they are doing it with Heather. Now, the cobalt poisoning thing, I get it is attempting to be a bit of a reset: Guza did turn her into a unstable murderous killer obsessed with Luke with one of his recons, but she wasn't a good person before that. 

Points taken.  Your explanations about Ava and Heather are fuzzy in my mind, but I bow to your knowledge.  I still want to see Brad and Heather (to a lesser extent) prevail. And Ava has more than redeemed herself with her friendship with Trina.  It's pretty cool that Ava now has blackmail material against Portia.

[CeChase]

Sonny committing murder on Q property with no blowback is so beyond disgusting.  I understand that Leslie isn't up to working, so they can easily get around this by having Tracy take over.  Tracy can just say Monica is not up to handling this, but they've discussed it and Monica asked Tracy to handle it.  They are all banished from Q property, Jason, Sonny, and Carly.  Ned should back her up.  But they just continue with this farce, with people actually mocking Tracy for knowing that Sonny did murder on their estate.  This is so beyond ridiculous, but it's also gross.  It hurts the Quartermaines in my opinions.  Typical of this show though. 

She should tell BLQ and Michael if they don't like it they know where the door is.  And that goes three times for Lois. 

Edited October 5 by CeChase

[Ambrosefolly]

6 hours ago, graight said:

Points taken.  Your explanations about Ava and Heather are fuzzy in my mind, but I bow to your knowledge.  I still want to see Brad and Heather (to a lesser extent) prevail. And Ava has more than redeemed herself with her friendship with Trina.  It's pretty cool that Ava now has blackmail material against Portia.

You're entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree with the assessment.

More than redeemed herself because of Trina?? It is that line of thinking that got Guza to believe that Sonny is still the good guy. sarcasm Sonny gets a SAed teen to strip at his club, sleeps with her and gives her pills...water under the bridge and she's to blame because Sonny gave comfort care to Stone when he was dying of AIDS. And all the kidnappings and murders are fine because he did it out of love.sarcasm

 I'd would argue that Sonny sitting vigil by Stone's bedside did more for his redemption for he did to Karen than Ava being nice to Trinia, especially as Ava directly or indirectly got 3 people killed: Kate, AJ and Morgan. And I don't think he is ever redeemed for he did to Karen because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. Ava might have some pangs of guilt now and again, but she was over joyed when the confession went missing. AJ, on the other hand, was somewhat disturbed when he was found not guilty and was the only one that bothered to find out the truth about what happened to Kate. 

I don't root for Heather, because Heather was always a nasty person, but like I said, she was never crazy as Guza characterized when he brought the character back, so maybe cobalt poisoning explains why she acted like she did when she was high. 

As for Brad, being sleazy towards Michael and taking Wiley in a moment of weakness when Wiley's own mother even offered, since in the case of Michael nothing happened (thoughMichael was too forgiving in order to usher Lucas/Brad), weirdly, they are actually classic storylines. Tracy did try to coerce Jax into marrying her, so it isn't hugely different than Brad. 

4 hours ago, CeChase said:

Sonny committing murder on Q property with no blowback is so beyond disgusting.  I understand that Leslie isn't up to working, so they can easily get around this by having Tracy take over.  Tracy can just say Monica is not up to handling this, but they've discussed it and Monica asked Tracy to handle it.  They are all banished from Q property, Jason, Sonny, and Carly.  Ned should back her up.  But they just continue with this farce, with people actually mocking Tracy for knowing that Sonny did murder on their estate.  This is so beyond ridiculous, but it's also gross.  It hurts the Quartermaines in my opinions.  Typical of this show though. 

She should tell BLQ and Michael if they don't like it they know where the door is.  And that goes three times for Lois. 

100%, though I think that Michael should be banished until he gives up Sonny. 

[Cheyanne11]

6 hours ago, CeChase said:

Sonny committing murder on Q property with no blowback is so beyond disgusting.  I understand that Leslie isn't up to working, so they can easily get around this by having Tracy take over.  Tracy can just say Monica is not up to handling this, but they've discussed it and Monica asked Tracy to handle it.  They are all banished from Q property, Jason, Sonny, and Carly.  Ned should back her up.  But they just continue with this farce, with people actually mocking Tracy for knowing that Sonny did murder on their estate.  This is so beyond ridiculous, but it's also gross.  It hurts the Quartermaines in my opinions.  Typical of this show though. 

She should tell BLQ and Michael if they don't like it they know where the door is.  And that goes three times for Lois. 

And acting like she's out of line/a prude for being disgusted at the notion of Sonny and Carly rutting like animals on her bed.  This whole storyline is gross and an exercise, yet again, in gaslighting by the writers to make it seem like the Corinthii are always the heroes of whatever story they're in.  They kill?  The person had it coming!  They lie?  It was for some greater good that, of course, benefitted them.  They cheat?  Just taking back what they're owed!  It's just such weak, unnuanced storytelling.  Do better, writers.

[CeChase]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

And acting like she's out of line/a prude for being disgusted at the notion of Sonny and Carly rutting like animals on her bed.  This whole storyline is gross and an exercise, yet again, in gaslighting by the writers to make it seem like the Corinthii are always the heroes of whatever story they're in.  They kill?  The person had it coming!  They lie?  It was for some greater good that, of course, benefitted them.  They cheat?  Just taking back what they're owed!  It's just such weak, unnuanced storytelling.  Do better, writers.

Oh that was INSANE.  Can you imagine someone over for dinner or a party, and they have sex in your bed?  That is disgusting behavior and any normal person would be extremely grossed out and ban that couple from their home.  It's just insane gaslighting.  Like, no one in real life would be alright with that.  No one. 

[JayeEmm]

I am in the process of moving, and am an old geezer with a dvr - so not knowing if I will have the same cable (or any) in the new place, being a completionist, and wanting to see Lucky’s return, I have, in the last two weeks, binge watched (ok probably 50% FF’d) 117 episodes of this fakakta show. One hundred seventeen. Is my brain now made of ramen noodles? I’d say yes if I had any ability to think anymore. I just want to thank this forum for keeping me sane through all of it. 
 

Conclusions through two weeks of hell:

Shut up, Carly. 
Shut UP, mini-Carly. 
Shut up, Sonny. 
FTLOG SHUT UP, TJ AND MOLLY.

OTOH  - Jonathan Jackson, still wow.  Gets me every time. I’m all for exploring Lucky and Liz as more mature adults, I don’t care if it makes sense or not. It struck me how few characters in this show have the easy charm and actual *humor* that Lucky has. Finn had some humor, Robert does on occasion - and Tracy can make badly written humor actually funny- but by and large it’s a grim crew in Port Chuck. (Sorry, but Lucy flapping around or Spinelli’s antics are Not Funny, writers)   

Anyway I’m caught up now - remind me if that ever happens again to just quit and do something useful with my time. 

[tessaray]

11 hours ago, graight said:

Points taken.  Your explanations about Ava and Heather are fuzzy in my mind, but I bow to your knowledge.  I still want to see Brad and Heather (to a lesser extent) prevail. And Ava has more than redeemed herself with her friendship with Trina.  It's pretty cool that Ava now has blackmail material against Portia.

I'm not sure I agree that Ava can ever truly be redeemed but Trina's friendship (and Nina's) gives her more shades of gray. Her interaction with Portia seemed more about  protecting Trina than blackmail but with Ava, that's more of a two-fer. 🙂 

I just want Brad to find someone to be on his side. He's one of those characters who will do anything to be loved. PS does a great job playing that kind of vulnerability. 

[JMO]

46 minutes ago, JayeEmm said:

 

OTOH  - Jonathan Jackson, still wow.  Gets me every time. I’m all for exploring Lucky and Liz as more mature adults, I don’t care if it makes sense or not. It struck me how few characters in this show have the easy charm and actual *humor* that Lucky has. Finn had some humor, Robert does on occasion - and Tracy can make badly written humor actually funny- but by and large it’s a grim crew in Port Chuck. (Sorry, but Lucy flapping around or Spinelli’s antics are Not Funny, writers)   

Best of luck in the new place.  I am with  you on the lack of humor in PC.  Just wanted to add that Maxie has been known to get in a few good one liners and zingers, and I hope that continues.  

[ljr]

Can violet be sorased? And can they stop with the pigtails?

Gio needs to do something besides playing the violin.

[KittenPokerCheater]

How old is Gio?  Can he be a love interest for Aiden?

[Sake614]

4 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

How old is Gio?  Can he be a love interest for Aiden?

Think he’s supposed to be about 20 and is definitely attracted to Joss. They’re not going to put him with Aiden.

[dubbel zout]

22 hours ago, JMO said:

Poor BK.  Portia is still beautiful, but she is no longer the capable, upstanding, kind physician and role model to her daughter.  She's become so needy, paranoid and scheming that she's pretty much unrecognizable, and I feel for the actress to have been put through the complete mangling of her character.  

I don't mind them dirtying Portia—goody-goodies are boring—but she's so unhinged when she's scheming. It's not fun to watch. 

21 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

[Lucas is] going to have to see Wiley raised by his nephew

I forgot to mention how angry I was that Lucas said he'd talked to Willow and Michael, and they were okay with him moving back to PC and taking the job at GH. Who gives a FUCK what those bozos think?

20 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So she can fuck all the way off until next year with her "we can all agree to disagree" mantra.  

I laughed so hard at that. Gio not wanting to play at the gallery doesn't affect Joss one iota, so of course she can smugly tell Gio and Trina to make peace. (Though to be fair, I do think Eden's reading of "My work here is done" was very funny.)

2 hours ago, tessaray said:

I'm not sure I agree that Ava can ever truly be redeemed but Trina's friendship (and Nina's) gives her more shades of gray. Her interaction with Portia seemed more about  protecting Trina than blackmail but with Ava, that's more of a two-fer. 🙂 

I just want Brad to find someone to be on his side. He's one of those characters who will do anything to be loved. PS does a great job playing that kind of vulnerability. 

Totally agree with both of these opinions. Ava's protectiveness for Trina is one of the main redeeming factors she has. It helps that Trina has a decent idea of who Ava is and accepts her mostly as she is. 

As for Brad, I loved how he admitted to Terry if anyone has paid for his bad choices, it's Brad. The guy did lose everything. He's trying to put the pieces of his life back together, and I'd hate to see Portia be the one to stop that because she's unhinged about Heather possibly getting a new trial, which does not automatically translate to being set free.

And speaking of Heather, let's say she does get out of Pentonville. What then? What is she going to do? A quick review of her Wiki page tells me being a schemer was basically her profession, which limits her options a bit now, lol.

Edited October 5 by dubbel zout

[tessaray]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

And speaking of Heather, let's say she does get out of Pentonville. What then? What is she going to do? A quick review of her Wiki page tells me being a schemer was basically her profession, which limits her options a bit now, lol.

I assume Heather is going to make Laura regret ever giving her half a chance, since Ace is the only thing left in her life. Though if we could have nice things, she would move to Sedona and make Steven Lars miserable. Bonus points if he played his guitar for her, returning the favor. 

[JMO]

4 hours ago, ljr said:

Can violet be sorased? And can they stop with the pigtails?

Re: child actors on GH---I've only really taken notice of three. 

Kim McCullough was a unique find, really a good actress from her earliest years, and she was actually in some pretty meaty storylines way back when.  JJ came on a bit older, but was a natural, and we're reaping the bounty of that right now. 

I actually think JL (Violet) is right up there with them, although I thought she was written better as a younger child.  If she is inclined to stay with GH--and if GH manages to stay on the air---I think she could evolve into an important character.  But she needs stronger connections to the legacy families.  Once upon a time, it looked like that would be Elizabeth, now it looks like Brook Lynn.  It's just that the writing is soooooooo bad.  

I would love to see her end up with Elizabeth somehow.  I don't think they've even shared a scene since Finn left, and that's just kind of ridiculous.  Elizabeth needs a daughter, and Violet needs a mother.  

[KerleyQ]

On 10/4/2024 at 6:32 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

Even if Michael divorces Willow after finding out about Drew and Willow, it's not like Michael would give Wiley back to Lucas.

I'm not trying to defend Michael, ever, but I don't see why he would give Wiley back to Lucas for any reason (short of "Willow's dead, and I'm dying"). Wiley is his son, biologically and legally. What happened to Lucas is shitty, and I fully support him never forgiving Brad for that shit. But the kid is Michael's. 

On 10/4/2024 at 6:56 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Gimme Lucky, Elizabeth, Laura, eventually Lulu, and Aiden. Everyone else can go Fuck off and do whatever they want.

Can we also get more Robert and Brennan?  Oh, wait, maybe Lucky can somehow work with both of them? Some kind of liaison between the two, or something?  Along with your list, that should pretty much wrap up everyone I want to see (unless Jake or Cam come home). 

[nilyank]

If there is a WSB field office in Port Charles, then Lucky should be working for the WSB. I had actually loved that Lucky was a cop and pretty good detective so working with the WSB will use his skills as both a police officer and whatever he was doing this past decade.

NuLucas was fine but he needs to shave. I do think that he protests too much and that he will reconnect with Brad.

 

 

[Grinaldi]

I can see Brad being falsely accused of the Heather stuff and turning to Lucas for support. Until they introduce another gay man (or reveal Isaiah is bi) I have to assume we are in for Lucas/Brad redux.

I wasn't watching during most of Carnes' run as Lucas so I'm not bumping on the change (and I'm a big Van Hansis fan from ATWT) so the fact that they are highlighting his bond to Carly makes me hopeful the character will get screentime and attention. And he's a preferable talk to for her than Jason or Joss to me.

[bybrandy]

I’m off the barge for JJ and have enough experience with him not to expect him to wash his hair or shave so I’m not holding my breath but I’d appreciate a hair wash. 
 

I liked Ryan Carnes a lot. The new guy doesn’t feel like Lucas to me but he’s new we’ll see. Given that there are no other gay men on GH I guess we are going back there with Brad. Ugh. 
 

Portia is dead to me because I love Taggert. All other villainous behavior just is par for the course. 
 

Curtis is dead to me because I love Taggert. Not the characters fault but it is what it is. He cleans up nice though. 
 

Now catch me up for some things I missed on Barge life. 
 

Lois lives back in PC?

Who is Gio and why does he live at the Qs?

Maxie is back with Spinelli (ugh) but not on screen?  But Georgie and Bailey-Lu are invisible?  Is that what we ended up calling the little one?   
 

Is Spencer dead?  I know the actor is on another show and not coming back but the character?  
 

Why is Nikolas in jail?

 

are Chase and Brooke always so boring?

Edited October 6 by bybrandy
Portia is dead to me.

[tessaray]

12 hours ago, bybrandy said:

Lois lives back in PC?

Who is Gio and why does he live at the Qs?

Maxie is back with Spinelli (ugh) but not on screen?  But Georgie and Bailey-Lu are invisible?  Is that what we ended up calling the little one?   
 

Is Spencer dead?  I know the actor is on another show and not coming back but the character?  
 

Why is Nikolas in jail?

 

are Chase and Brooke always so boring?

1. She came to visit Brook Lynn as emotional support and never left. I'm not sure which crisis it was. There have been a few. (Update: thanks to @GHScorpiosRule it was when Ned slipped at the Metro Court pool, hit his head and woke up thinking he was Eddie Mayne. You're fortunate to have missed that. Since then she's been there for all the drama at Deception and helping with Brook Lynn's wedding.)

2. We all would like to know the answer to that. Gio is a violin prodigy from Bensonhurst and calls Lois "aunt". Sonny paid for a lot of his schooling so he can do no wrong. Gio goes to PCU and hangs out with Trina and Joss.

3. Spinelli is around here and there. Georgie shows up occasionally but people see Bigfoot more often than we see Bailey-Lu.

4. Spencer is presumed dead but no body ever washed ashore. You know how that goes.

5. I think Nik is in prison because he held Esme prisoner while she was pregnant? She escaped, came back with amnesia and eventually it all hit the fan. But I could be wrong. Because that time period was so convoluted. 

6. Yes. They're so wholesome it can be painful to watch. 

Welcome back. 🙂 

(And I'm sure someone else will fill in the blanks a bit more.)

Edited October 6 by tessaray