S03.E13: Against All Odds/S03.E14: Tell All

[Pepper Mostly]

28 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I suspect that 95% of that came from him and whoever was playing Maria on phone or text was just "mmm hmm'ing" him. 

Is Anastasia date or whatever this site is a webcam site?  I don't want Google thinking I'm into that sort of thing so I won't look it up, but I got the impression it was geared towards guys like ceasar looking for the "girlfriend experience" with a woman who they think is going to be their life mate or whatever.

I agree that Maria probably is not above....escorting?  But for rich dudes in Dubai, not poor men doing nails.  

Yes I think this is the most likely scenario. Guys like Caesar are a dime a dozen and she probably has quite a few on a string, who each cough up a few hundred a month, for her day to day expenses, hair, makeup, clothes, whatever. If a certain well off gentleman would like to take a lovely, educated woman on vacation to an exotic spot, Maria will play the part of devoted wife/girlfriend. I'm sure she's looking to land a big fish, for matrimony, a good life, and a ticket out of Ukraine.

[calpurnia99]

1 hour ago, LilaFowler said:

I thought the Jesse segment was hilarious. All I could think of was Harlan Pepper from Best in Show doing his lasso show at the VFW.

I mentioned this on the first page of this thread, LOL. And then other people brought up the Office episode where they went to a nursing home and someone else Better Call Saul went to sell to a bunch of geriatrics, It's a standard trope, It was so hard to believe it was real, as he is saying "I'm talking on big stages", they pan to these 95 year old deaf people! It;s been done countless times in comedies, but this was real. 

Edited October 31, 2019 by calpurnia99

[lasandi]

Darcy and next fame whore victim.

[calpurnia99]

Maria and Ceasar: It sounds like he paid her thru the website for 3 years. When they took it off site, they made some kind of financial agreement. I don't think she is allowed to take the business off site. But it was probably an arangement where he paid a bit less (minus agencies fees) and she earned a bit more (minus ageny's cut). I'm sure she said if we talk off site you need to compensate me.

Then the trip to Mexico- if she HAD gone (had went as Cesar says) she would have been on the show and paid by TLC Therefore she had to have been in negotiations with the show. I think she was considering it. I think she was halfway thinking about going to Mexico and being on the show, but she was not fully committed. Once she saw the flight had been cancelled, it made up her mind and she was like fuck that. This is why  Cesar was certain she was going to show, because he was privy to her negotiations with TLC. He realized HE fucked up and she changed her mind about the show. 

 Cesar got  on the show as a way to promote his acting, make extra money for her, so he contacted the show about his "girlfriend". Eventually she did agree to appear on the show but her side is like Cesar you KNOW what we both agreed to. 

Edited October 31, 2019 by calpurnia99

[Spike]

13 minutes ago, lasandi said:

Darcy and next fame whore victim.

Dahmer drilled holes in his victims’ heads in an attempt to prevent them from leaving him.  Don’t give Darcey any ideas.

11 minutes ago, calpurnia99 said:

Then the trip to Mexico- if she HAD gone (had went as Cesar says)

Maybe he likes golden showers like a certain world leader.

[OrchidThief]

On 10/30/2019 at 8:53 AM, b2H said:

There's no more Angela after that and that poor excuse for a human should never be allowed back in the franchise.  She's so full of herself that she doesn't realize she just lost her income supplement. 

I would hope the retirement community where she was working fired her -- major legal liability there.

[BallisticNikki]

2 hours ago, Anduril said:

Like someone up-thread said, many European prostitutes (as well as American actresses and models) will go to Dubai to have all sorts of degrading things done to them by some Arab prince.  They'll do anything for the right price; that's just the kind of women they are. 

But lots of ppl go there just to vacation, too. My bff went and said it was spectacular. I'd love to go one day.🍾

17 hours ago, Jel said:

This show could save a lot of time if they dispensed with the scenes of people arriving in their cars, and walking to the stage (so many walks to the stage!). That annoyed the hell out of me.

No, TLC, don't cut that part! I love seeing how they're dressed and if they change to go on set.👗👘👠

20 hours ago, b2H said:

I could suggest that TLC has asked her not to, in order to continue on the show.  There might even be something in the contract between Avery (and the others) and TLC that they can't sue for something like that.  The Bachelor franchise contracts have similar language.

They may not be able to sue TLC but they surely cannot be stopped from pressing charges, right? And suing her personally in a civil court? ⛓️👩‍⚖️

Edited October 31, 2019 by BallisticNikki

[OrchidThief]

23 hours ago, Spike said:

Gah, gas lighting Jesse sucks so fucking hard.  I'm sure Darcy is a pill, but fuck off already. Take your Osh Gosh B'gosh vest with you.  

I was in NYC last week, happened upon Ray's Pizza, and stopped in. As I was folding my classic NY slice (tho Ray's has slid downhill) I thought of Jesse and giggled.

[Pepper Mostly]

46 minutes ago, OrchidThief said:

I would hope the retirement community where she was working fired her -- major legal liability there.

Oh my god, my blood runs cold at the thought of rage ball Angie caring for old folks, who might not be able to communicate. She probably beats and abuses them daily.

[AZChristian]

4 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Oh my god, my blood runs cold at the thought of rage ball Angie caring for old folks, who might not be able to communicate. She probably beats and abuses them daily.

I think she spends so much time on smoke breaks and cell phone calls to Michael that she ignores her responsibilities to the patients completely.

[Zevious Zoquis]

5 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Oh my god, my blood runs cold at the thought of rage ball Angie caring for old folks, who might not be able to communicate. She probably beats and abuses them daily.

yeah one would hope her appearance on the show has outed her as the entirely wrong type of person to be caring for the infirm...

[Rt66vintage]

On 10/29/2019 at 6:27 PM, IllLitShips said:

Did anyone else catch Emma saying she didn't know which Silva twin was older or younger? Do you think she asked that, because Stacey's face looked old and droopy? Like she couldn't tell they were twins?

I've noticed they're on a slippery slope in regard to their faces. Drinking and weight gain are moving things around, not in a good way 

I'm sure the two inappropriate gowns they wore were from the Goodwill, I've seen plenty of similar one-event dresses there. Also explains the ill-fit and Stacey's surprise about how far the split reached when she sat down. I agree with the above poster who mentioned their worn out hair extensions, and how some simple changes would improve their overall appearance. 

Did anyone see the bonus clip of Tom taking Darcey to a prospective house he might buy as an investment? It was priced at 4 million pounds! As usual, Darcey was over the moon. She wore white pants in the scene, but had major VPL.  It was linked to a YT review by ebird online. 

[OrchidThief]

3 hours ago, mytmo said:

He deserves every blow he's been dealt.

This apropos Cesar: apparently zero blows.

[Polliwollidoodle]

1 hour ago, OrchidThief said:

I was in NYC last week, happened upon Ray's Pizza, and stopped in. As I was folding my classic NY slice (tho Ray's has slid downhill) I thought of Jesse and giggled.

totally off topic but I remember Ray's when it was Ray's. And I swear to you that back in the day, for reelz I was sitting there eating my slice and Meatloaf was there with his daughter and her friend. (they were like 4 yrs old). Talking WAY back in the day. And he was very sweet and friendly.

[FrancescaFiore]

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Oh my god, my blood runs cold at the thought of rage ball Angie caring for old folks, who might not be able to communicate. She probably beats and abuses them daily.

Angela really doesn't have the requisite temperament to work with children or the elderly. She also doesn't appear to possess the greatest decision making skills. A rather toxic combination for a person in a position that's supposed to care of the well-being of people who can't care for themselves. I doubt she's physically abusive with anyone but Michael and her kids, but there's very little doubt in my mind that she's verbally abusive in her daily life. She's a real piece of work.

[MajorNelson]

Found on  my dvr a PT where we meet Maria for the first time (plus it covered pt1 of the tell all).

Anyway, I did some Maria sleuthing, around Kiev:

The opening shot (2nd actually) is an aerial view over part of Independence Square.  We see part of a low silver dome.  You can google that if interested.

The store that Maria walks into is at:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Всі+Свої+Магазин/@50.4480828,30.5148836,15z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1z0JLRgdGWLiDQodCy0L7RlyAga2lldg!3m4!1s0x0:0xfe79db6338206e2c!8m2!3d50.4441075!4d30.5218112

There is a streetview available, and you can see the actual steps and door that she and her friends go through.  So no matter how messed up this storyline is, the producers actually did some local filming.  Yay!

[OrchidThief]

34 minutes ago, Zevious Zoquis said:

40 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Oh my god, my blood runs cold at the thought of rage ball Angie caring for old folks, who might not be able to communicate. She probably beats and abuses them daily.

yeah one would hope her appearance on the show has outed her as the entirely wrong type of person to be caring for the infirm...

My mom was in assisted living until she died at 96, and the CNAs (Cert Nursing Asst) were involved in quite a lot of one-on-one care, like bathing and other personal things someone immobile can't handle. I assume Angela is a CNA. My mom was clever and wily, but when you're all alone there and your family is 3,000 miles away -- you know not to complain too much even if you've got your wits intact. My blood curdles to think what she did to people.

7 minutes ago, FrancescaFiore said:

Angela really doesn't have the requisite temperament to work with children or the elderly. She also doesn't appear to possess the greatest decision making skills. A rather toxic combination for a person in a position that's supposed to care of the well-being of people who can't care for themselves. I doubt she's physically abusive with anyone but Michael and her kids, but there's very little doubt in my mind that she's verbally abusive in her daily life. She's a real piece of work.

Ben quietly said "she came in like a wrecking ball," and that is a brilliant description.

[FrancescaFiore]

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Ben quietly said "she came in like a wrecking ball," and that is a brilliant description.

I did NOT appreciate Ben making that reference because it caused my brain to superimpose Angela over Miley Cyrus, riding that wrecking ball. ((shudder))

[Adeejay]

Something doesn’t make sense  to me. I keep reading that the other participants refused to film with Angela. However, when she disappeared, they were all wondering where she was. Even Avery. Who when told that she had left seemed puzzled. If they had asked for her to be removed, wouldn’t they know that she was gone?

The funniest part for me was when Angela asked Ben if he said anything to Jesse. He got so scared, he looked  like he wanted to pass out.  Poor guy.

[Tuneful]

6 hours ago, KateHearts said:

Add to that her nicotine addiction- remember the scene in the car when she goes to light up, Michael gives her a look and she goes off on him? Something like "I'M GONNA SMOKE, MAHKUL!!"

I'm adding prescription pain pills, legit or black-market, to the cocktail. A lot of people working in nursing do heavy lifting and mess up their backs. Maybe you initially got an opioid (in the old days) and you moved on to ...something else... Then there are the emotions of dealing with dying people. It brings back my late Mom and Dad's last chapters...in facilities (won't explain...just call in the Kevorkian Squad if I ever end up like that).  

Edited October 31, 2019 by Tuneful

[RealReality]

Re: Jesse asking for coffee

While Jesse is a sanctimonious douche, I think it's likely that production told him he couldn't leave the room because they didn't want him inadvertently running into Darcy/Stacy....which would have ruined TLCs chance to capture that sweet drama on camera.  

They probably also didn't want him talking to the other participants unless camera was rolling.  

[FrancescaFiore]

I can't hate on Angela too, too much because she gave me some of my favorite belly-laughs this season. Her quotable quotes slay me. "I can tote it, I just need yer eggs." 

[KateHearts]

I'm rewatching (yeah, I know; I'm insane) and I laughed at loud at Jesse's "where is he now?" segment. He's "shining his light" on others- and he is GOING to get his psychology degree (not even there yet)- and I have a kid with a psych degree and there's no counseling or therapy you can do with the bachelor's. Then we see him talking to the poor captured seniors, and as he talks about "enjoying the ability to talk on big stages" the camera pans to him standing in the nursing home activity room with a giant poster of himself, in the penultimate pose, on the wall.  It was hilarious.

I also rewatched the green room scene and honestly, Jesse gets cred for completely keeping his cool (but he lost points when he called Avery "sweetheart" and then, after patiently trying to explain himself asked "what's your name again?"). The one who lit up very quickly was Tim. He has a very, very bad habit of talking over anyone who tries to have a conversation with him (as he slips his vape pen around). Ben kind of tried to point that out, but Tim and Avery talked over him so that point was lost.

Angela and her non-apologies. It's like if someone trash talks you and then says, "I'm sorry if that hurt your feelings." That is not an apology.  So just like with Michael's friends (the goofballs) she used the same tactic: "I'm sorry how I acted but I'm not sorry for what I said." As a reminder, she said "you don't listen; you're a grown-ass woman and can defend yourself; you're not acting like a Muslim; shut the fuck up; sit down; kiss my ass." But hey, she's sorry for how she acted. She really showed how simple stupid she is when she didn't quite get that if her daughter's egg is used to make a baby with Michael's sperm, it would be her daughter's child.  Duh.

Lots of scenes of limos and people carrying their clothes. If I am going somewhere and plan to change, I tend to put my clothes in some sort of bag.  

2 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

8 minutes ago, Tuneful said:

I'm adding some prescription pain pills, whether legit or black-market, to the cocktail. A lot of people working in nursing for example do a lot of heavy lifting and it messes their backs up. 

Taking into account her body habitus- that of a Frigidaire- doesn't help.

Edited October 31, 2019 by KateHearts

[Gobi]

I imagine that there must be legitimate, more or less, international dating websites, similar to Match or Tinder, where one pays a regular fee in order to participate. I suspect that Caesar started on one of those, and either got no responses, or the responses he got were not "vanilla creamy" enough for him. He then switched to the Anastasia site, where one pays for every interaction, and is the equivalent of those 1-900 phone sex lines (are they still a thing?). And he is deluded enough to think that Maria was really interested in him.

2 hours ago, calpurnia99 said:

Maria and Ceasar: It sounds like he paid her thru the website for 3 years. When they took it off site, they made some kind of financial agreement. I don't think she is allowed to take the business off site. But it was probably an arangement where he paid a bit less (minus agencies fees) and she earned a bit more (minus ageny's cut). I'm sure she said if we talk off site you need to compensate me.

Then the trip to Mexico- if she HAD gone (had went as Cesar says) she would have been on the show and paid by TLC Therefore she had to have been in negotiations with the show. I think she was considering it. I think she was halfway thinking about going to Mexico and being on the show, but she was not fully committed. Once she saw the flight had been cancelled, it made up her mind and she was like fuck that. This is why  Cesar was certain she was going to show, because he was privy to her negotiations with TLC. He realized HE fucked up and she changed her mind about the show. 

 Cesar got  on the show as a way to promote his acting, make extra money for her, so he contacted the show about his "girlfriend". Eventually she did agree to appear on the show but her side is like Cesar you KNOW what we both agreed to. 

[Tuneful]

5 hours ago, FrancescaFiore said:

I can't hate on Angela too, too much because she gave me some of my favorite belly-laughs this season. Her quotable quotes slay me. "I can tote it, I just need yer eggs." 

"Don’t try to swindle me cuz I like cake. It ain't hap'nin'."

"Can you wipe my butt Mahkull if I’m not able to?" 

"If you think Imma let you f*** another bitch, you got the wrong one." 

"If he wants to look at someone's fat back, he can look at mine!"

"Damn that son of a bitch!"

"Mahkull, you just done changed the history of our future."  

I would have to pay a therapist $200 an hour for quality therapy like this. 

Edited October 31, 2019 by Tuneful
LOL at Angela

[Mr. Miner]

I didn't appreciate TLC dangling a perfectly good redneck wedding under our noses, then nothing?

Edited November 1, 2019 by Mr. Minor

[Tuneful]

1 minute ago, Mr. Minor said:

I didn't appreciated TLC dangling a perfectly good redneck wedding under our noses, then nothing?

Pick your sin and I'll accommodate to it. 

[Bej]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

Dahmer drilled holes in his victims’ heads in an attempt to prevent them from leaving him.  Don’t give Darcey any ideas.

Maybe he likes golden showers like a certain world leader.

PLEASE keep politics to yourself

[b2H]

2 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Oh my god, my blood runs cold at the thought of rage ball Angie caring for old folks, who might not be able to communicate. She probably beats and abuses them daily.

The facility would certainly need to look into this.  If I had a family member there, I would definitely be questioning.

[Spike]

5 minutes ago, Bej said:

PLEASE keep politics to yourself

Is Dahmer running for something?  I think he’s dead.

I think it’s worse than just working in a nursing home; Angela works in a hospice.

[FrancescaFiore]

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"If he wants to look at someone's fat back, he can look at mine!"

"Mahkull, you just done changed the history of our future."  

Worth their weight in trailer park meth!

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Is Dahmer running for something? 

Last time Dahmer was seen running, I think he was running after that Laotian kid who got away from him.

[Teri313]

2 hours ago, Zevious Zoquis said:

yeah one would hope her appearance on the show has outed her as the entirely wrong type of person to be caring for the infirm...

Hopefully her qualifications only allow her to do the heavy lifting and other staff members actually care for the patients/residents.

[doyouevengohere]

The whole Jesse segment irrates me, because there was no reason for him to be asked to be there or to accept.  They didn't just film him in studio, they followed him around to do a montage of his life (why???).  I don't blame Avery and Tim for questioning him.  And I sorta hate Avery and Tim, but they didn't yell at him or bully him- they just stated how they felt.  They were both on this season so I feel they have more right to speak about it than he does.  Avery went on too long about it, but I think she was trying to understand b/c he wasn't on this season.  Angela interjecting herself was totally not needed.  Jesse is a grown man and can defend his own self.  Jesse LOVED that people were fighting over him or about him.  And for all that went down , he sure didn't put himself out in asking Angela if she was okay after she fought for his honor.  Anyways, he wasn't part of the show this season, no one wanted to hear about his life, and no one needed any segments about him interacting with this season's cast.

[Teri313]

8 minutes ago, doyouevengohere said:

The whole Jesse segment irrates me, because there was no reason for him to be asked to be there or to accept.  They didn't just film him in studio, they followed him around to do a montage of his life (why???).  I don't blame Avery and Tim for questioning him.  And I sorta hate Avery and Tim, but they didn't yell at him or bully him- they just stated how they felt.  They were both on this season so I feel they have more right to speak about it than he does.  Avery went on too long about it, but I think she was trying to understand b/c he wasn't on this season.  Angela interjecting herself was totally not needed.  Jesse is a grown man and can defend his own self.  Jesse LOVED that people were fighting over him or about him.  And for all that went down , he sure didn't put himself out in asking Angela if she was okay after she fought for his honor.  Anyways, he wasn't part of the show this season, no one wanted to hear about his life, and no one needed any segments about him interacting with this season's cast.

Watching how Angela uses her volume, quickness, and physicality to intimidate other cast members engaged in something that was NONE OF HER BUSINESS gives us a sad look into what the lives of her children must have looked like growing up. If this is how she is on TV in front of the world, imagine what she was like when her kids pissed her off in the privacy of their home.

[Spike]

18 minutes ago, doyouevengohere said:

no one wanted to hear about his life,

Everyone on Pillow Talk seemed excited he was there lol.

[MajorNelson]

56 minutes ago, doyouevengohere said:

Anyways, he wasn't part of the show this season, no one wanted to hear about his life, and no one needed any segments about him interacting with this season's cast.

I am beginning to think there is some credence to his originally being part of the cast and being dropped, and somehow his contracts was for the season taping plus the tell-all, and Sharp couldn't deny him his tell-all on-air time (and of course HAD to pay him). 

[FrancescaFiore]

45 minutes ago, Spike said:

Everyone on Pillow Talk seemed excited he was there lol.

Yeah, the people who didn't have to deal directly with him, but got to watch the messy drama unfold would be a lot more enthusiastic about Jesse's presence. 

[Rt66vintage]

2 hours ago, KateHearts said:

Lots of scenes of limos and people carrying their clothes. If I am going somewhere and plan to change, I tend to put my clothes in some sort (?bag).

Your entire post 100%. I accidentally erased an important word in the quoted paragraph. This referred to the contestants carrying their dress-up clothes for the Tell All in some kind of carryall.

The worst offender, imo, was dweeb Cesear. Every item of clothing, including his nasty shoes, was loose and piled up in his arms. He looked like a servant off to wash his master's laundry. 

Has this simpleton ever traveled anywhere on his own? Okay, he managed to get himself to Mexico, with a TV production company, who probably had to babysit him the entire time, so that doesn't count. This loser couldn't come up with some kind of luggage situation for NYC? Did he carry his clothes loose on the plane from NC? I just can't with this poor guy. 

[BallisticNikki]

3 hours ago, Rt66vintage said:

Tom taking Darcey to a prospective house he might buy as an investment? It was priced at 4 million pounds! As usual, Darcey was over the moon. She wore white pants in the scene, but had major VPL.  It was linked to a YT review by ebird online. 

Gotta see this. I'm all about the clothes. And love it or hate it, Darcey brings the sartorial DRAMA on this show.

3 hours ago, RealReality said:

Re: Jesse asking for coffee

While Jesse is a sanctimonious douche, I think it's likely that production told him he couldn't leave the room because they didn't want him inadvertently running into Darcy/Stacy....which would have ruined TLCs chance to capture that sweet drama on camera.  

But I am surprised there wasn't coffee already there. And snacks. Seriously, TLC!😆

[Spike]

10 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

Gotta see this. I'm all about the clothes. And love it or hate it, Darcey brings the sartorial DRAMA on this show.

But I am surprised there wasn't coffee already there. And snacks. Seriously, TLC!😆

They probably put him on a red eye so asking for coffee shouldn’t be surprising.

[KateHearts]

The Caesar/Maria segment really annoyed me. He is playing his "poor pitiful me" role to the hilt. I just don't buy it. He just stares blankly when people say "dude, you were snookered." He MUST know. Yet he persists with the "I still lurve you; I just wanted you to know I loved you; I wanted to show everyone you are a good person." How valiant. He dragged this shit out to be on TV. And the others, mooning all over him like he's a wounded animal.  Oh-so-worldly Avery saying "breathe, Caesar!" and Rebecca patting his knee with her twisty-faced look of sympathy just irked me.  It's like they all know they are fame-seeking oddballs- so when they find someone stupider than themselves they puff themselves up, all full of sage advice about love and relationships.

So now Caesar ambles off, head down and a tear in his eye, to "walk the world."  I give very few shits for his sad sack act.  Anyone who goes on an international "dating site" and pays for tokens to see a pretty girl knows the deal. Stop acting like you knew anything about her.  At all.  I don't see Maria doing anything wrong- she was  riding a wave with a paying customer as long as she could.

Edited October 31, 2019 by KateHearts

[invisiblegirl12]

4 hours ago, Rt66vintage said:

Did anyone else catch Emma saying she didn't know which Silva twin was older or younger? Do you think she asked that, because Stacey's face looked old and droopy? Like she couldn't tell they were twins?

Emma was speaking about Darcey's daughters.

[FrancescaFiore]

1 minute ago, invisiblegirl12 said:

Emma was speaking about Darcey's daughters.

I'm late to the shitshow, so I didn't know Darcey had spawned. Her poor kids. Mommy needs meds.

[lasandi]

13 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

The Caesar/Maria segment really annoyed me. He is playing his "poor pitiful me" role to the hilt. I just don't buy it. He just stares blankly when people say "dude, you were snookered." He MUST know. Yet he persists with the "I still lurve you; I just wanted you to know I loved you; I wanted to show everyone you are a good person." How valiant. He dragged this shit out to be on TV. And the others, mooning all over him like he's a wounded animal.  Oh-so-worldly Avery saying "breathe, Caesar!" and Rebecca patting his knee with her twisty-faced look of sympathy just irked me.  It's like they all know they are fame-seeking oddballs- so when they find someone stupider than themselves they puff themselves up, all full of sage advice about love and relationships.

So now Caesar ambles off, head down and a tear in his eye, to "walk the world."  I give very few shits for his sad sack act.  Anyone who goes on an international "dating site" and pays for tokens to see a pretty girl knows the deal. Stop acting like you knew anything about her.  At all.  I don't see Maria doing anything wrong- she was  riding a wave with a paying customer as long as she could.

WORD to the tenth power.  👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[Callaphera]

15 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

I don't see Maria doing anything wrong- she was  riding a wave with a paying customer as long as she could.

If anything, I think Maria deserved more money for having to put up with Caesar for this long. 

[RealReality]

So, I don't have strong feelings about Emma.  But one thing she and tom alluded to, that really struck me was that Darcy expects support but offers none.  

I think this is true and I could see how annoying that could be.  

I had a friend who would do this.  I generally didn't mind listening to her drama, but one of the few times I called her and needed support she just turned the conversation back to what was going on in her life.  I finally had to tell her about it because it was annoying.  

And she was just my friend.  

I cannot imagine a relationship where you get drunk called at all hours and subjected to Darcy's every thought on how poorly she was treated by Tom and have to be supportive through YEARS of that.  But when you need someone to vent to, Darcy just turns everything back to her.  I don't think Darcy is a bad person, but I think this is her MO.  

I don't blame Tom for wanting to avoid her.  

[OrchidThief]

1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

I am beginning to think there is some credence to his originally being part of the cast and being dropped, and somehow his contracts was for the season taping plus the tell-all, and Sharp couldn't deny him his tell-all on-air time (and of course HAD to pay him). 

I think you hit BINGO! Hadn't thought of that, but it all lines up.

38 minutes ago, Spike said:

They probably put him on a red eye so asking for coffee shouldn’t be surprising.

Redeyes go east, not west, as they are overnight flights figuring in the time change. Jesse wouldn't be on a redeye.

[magemaud]

3 hours ago, KateHearts said:

But hey, she's sorry for how she acted. 

I think Angela is only sorry about the way she acted because it resulted in her being thrown off the 90 Day Gravy Train. And I don’t think any of the other participants were surprised when she didn’t return after what had transpired, only some of which we saw. Avery might have asking just to make sure Angela’s absence was addressed. 

[Spike]

5 minutes ago, OrchidThief said:

I think you hit BINGO! Hadn't thought of that, but it all lines up.

Redeyes go east, not west, as they are overnight flights figuring in the time change. Jesse wouldn't be on a redeye.

Okay overnight flight not technically a redeye.

[iwasish]

On 10/29/2019 at 9:11 AM, Evangeline said:

Looked like Avery saved Darcy from having to deal with Jesse. I doubt their original intent was to have him entirely separate, but once they had extensive footage of Avery detailing how damaging it would be for Darcy, it appears their intent changed. That's my guess.

Darcy is still obsessed with Jesse. I think she was looking forward to seeing him. Especially with Tom next to her. I can just see her sidling up to Tom on the couch and trying to act as if Jesse means nothing to her. The real affect he has on her would be later after the filming when she’d guzzle a bottle of wine and cry on Toms shoulder, begging him to sleep with her cause she can’t bear to be alone. 
I liked the way Jesse handled himself. He’s self absorbed and arrogant.  However,  after observing the  black hole of  neediness and emotional immaturity that Darcy is, I’m not putting the blame for all that on just one person.  
They shouldn’t be together. It’s toxic. clearly TLC wanted a confrontation. He wouldn’t have been there if they didn’t. I do believe him that Darcy has been in contact. And that he has generally ignored her.  Avery and  Tim were way out of line to jump all over him. I wish he had turned the tables and thrown some of their own crap back. Called out Tim on his “pussy- ness” and Avery on her disrespect to her mother.