"The View": Week of 9/30/2019

[RealHousewife]

Regarding losing a job over a picture, for me it is a judgment call. I don't think a former porn star with all kinds of really graphic stuff online would be the best fit to be a high school teacher. I also think it's bs that sometimes fairly tame stuff or things that were meant to be private in the first place result in women losing their jobs. 

Joy was correct that Meghan is in show business, so it's very different. That said, Meghan still has a point. We live in a world where some of the most successful and worshiped people have all kinds of sexy imagery and literally have even gotten their starts with sex. A lot of women around the same age as Meghan and me grew up with dads who loved Playmates like Pamela Anderson, pop stars who looked like they'd be in Playboy, and then TV, films, and reality shows that become more and more risqué as we got older. The media gives us this message that women are supposed to be sexy, gives us this sexed up standard of beauty, that to get attention, be sexy, for a man to want you, be sexy. But at the same time, we're kind of given the message to not be sexy. Parents, especially fathers, don't want their daughters to be sexy or own their curves. In a lot of work environments, sleeveless tops and open-toe shoes are considered too revealing. To avoid cattiness from other females and harassment from men, be covered up. So many mixed messages. 

I know so many people whose favorite show is the Kardashians and who praise Jennifer Lopez's behind and barely there clothing. Some of these same people think teachers should never take risqué photos in their personal life, that women who show cleavage (outside of work) dress "scandalously," and can't imagine why a woman would want to take a burlesque class or wear a sexy Halloween costume or whatever. Why is there so much shame for "regular" women who want to feel sexy and express that side of themselves? I don't see why some women get so rewarded for sex tapes, posing completely nude, exposing their big asses, but if you work in an office during the day, your social media and wardrobe must be that of a nun. 

Edited October 4, 2019 by RealHousewife

[Blissfool]

I think Joy was wrong to bring up "would a white person forgive a black person?" The topic was about forgiveness, not race. I'm glad Whoopi stopped her even though Whoopi got it all wrong. Whoopi being Whoopi, y'all!"

[marymary]

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

Regarding losing a job over a picture, for me it is a judgment call. I don't think a former porn star with all kinds of really graphic stuff online would be the best fit to be a high school teacher. I also think it's bs that sometimes fairly tame stuff or things that were meant to be private in the first place result in women losing their jobs. 

Joy was correct that Meghan is in show business, so it's very different. That said, Meghan still has a point. We live in a world where some of the most successful and worshiped people have all kinds of sexy imagery and literally have even gotten their starts with sex. A lot of women around the same age as Meghan and me grew up with dads who loved Playmates like Pamela Anderson, pop stars who looked like they'd be in Playboy, and then TV, films, and reality shows that become more and more risqué as we got older. The media gives us this message that women are supposed to be sexy, gives us this sexed up standard of beauty, that to get attention, be sexy, for a man to want you, be sexy. But at the same time, we're kind of given the message to not be sexy. Parents, especially fathers, don't want their daughters to be sexy or own their curves. In a lot of work environments, sleeveless tops and open-toe shoes are considered too revealing. To avoid cattiness from other females and harassment from men, be covered up. So many mixed messages. 

I know so many people whose favorite show is the Kardashians and who praise Jennifer Lopez's behind and barely there clothing. Some of these same people think teachers should never take risqué photos in their personal life, that women who show cleavage (outside of work) dress "scandalously," and can't imagine why a woman would want to take a burlesque class or wear a sexy Halloween costume or whatever. Why is there so much shame for "regular" women who want to feel sexy and express that side of themselves? I don't see why some women get so rewarded for sex tapes, posing completely nude, exposing their big asses, but if you work in an office during the day, your social media and wardrobe must be that of a nun. 

I wish I could like this post more than once. I completely agree! And as much as I don’t like Meghan, I really appreciated what she said, and that she was passionate about it.

Why can’t a women post a bathing suit photo on social media? It’s not like she was naked, or doing something overtly sexual. 

[HaaCHOO]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

But since Sunny loves to talk about infidelity, of course she brought it up.😒😒😒😒

But since Sunny loves to talk about infidelity, judge every adult's business and activities on HER PERSONALLY-PERFECT SCALE...

[RealHousewife]

42 minutes ago, marymary said:

I wish I could like this post more than once. I completely agree! And as much as I don’t like Meghan, I really appreciated what she said, and that she was passionate about it.

Why can’t a women post a bathing suit photo on social media? It’s not like she was naked, or doing something overtly sexual. 

Thank you. :) Meghan's not my favorite either, but now and then I find myself really appreciating what she says too. Due to some of my personal experiences, I can go on and on about this topic. Meghan may feel more passionately about it than some of the others due to her age and looks. She knows what it's like to grow up with a lot of sex thrown in your face, be a pretty woman with a certain body type and feel shamed for flaunting it even a little bit. 

[nichelle]

On 10/3/2019 at 12:52 AM, JakeyJokes said:

In her previous incarnation as a “cool young Republican who supports gay rights”, Meghan often appeared on Rachel’s show. They even went to a gun show together. Very interested to see how they interact tomorrow.

Since I'd already planned to be in NY this week, I put in a last minute ticket request. I received a 'Group A' ticket (aka standby) and made it into the audience for the Maddow episode. I also attended Rachel's first stop on her book tour tonight so it was pretty much a Rachel Thursday for me. Best day ever 🙂

Anyway, Rachel and Meghan greeted each other warmly (everyone received a hug when she came out on crutches). And when she left the stage after her segments she and Meghan kissed each other on the cheek.

[xingu]

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Not to rehash the previous discussion, but she wasn't underage in that state 30 years ago. 

Since I started this kerfuffle, I just want to formally apologize to the board for my stupid, ill-informed comments regarding Rob Lowe. I apologize to all those I offended. 

Now, can someone tell my why Abby said to Rachel that her father wasn't the whistleblower?  Is this a theory?

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I received a 'Group A' ticket (aka standby)

Wow, if a Group A ticket gives you standby, what does a Group C ticket offer?  A weekend with Meghan?

Edited October 4, 2019 by xingu

[xingu]

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Why can’t a women post a bathing suit photo on social media? It’s not like she was naked, or doing something overtly sexual. 

I think one most certainly can, as can anyone, but it's risk one takes.  While I detest this employer's view, it is (sadly) his right.  That's why we need more forward thinking individuals in power.  But I think the bigger issue is why this woman chooses to post this picture openly.  As my beloved Valerie Cherish would say, "I don't need to see that."  Some things need to be kept private.  Unless you're posing for swimsuit modeling.  I can see gross businessmen ogling her expecting more than a deal.  I'm a firm believer in that you should present yourself as you would like others to see you.

And this goes equally for men in speedos.

Just turn your profile to private.

I am so tired of this mentality that I can do whatever I want.  Yes, you can, but you must also suffer the consequences.

Edited October 4, 2019 by xingu

[xingu]

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But since Sunny loves to talk about infidelity, judge every adult's business and activities on HER PERSONALLY-PERFECT SCALE...

I don't think she loves to talk about it, but it is a frequent hot topic.  (Not so much Sunny's marriage, but infidelity).  Sunny is very protective of Manny, which I admire.  Maybe overly so, but she is on TV.  She has often stated that if Manny cheated, she wouldn't throw him to the door, she would try to work things out. Which I think, in reality, most people do. 

But more importantly, if Manny and Sunny got divorced, who would get custody of the chickens?  Manny for a fried dinner or Sunny for eggs?

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 judge every adult's business and activities on HER PERSONALLY-PERFECT SCALE...

From the shows that I've watched I've only seen Sunny cop to her not-so perfect moments.  How she smothers her kids, doesn't give Manny enough time, doesn't pay attention to her family, wishes she had more time for her friends, travels too much, drinks too much on occasion, can be a bit "Mama Bear".  Outside of her prosecution record (which she never lost a case) I have never seen her "PERSONALLY-PERFECT SCALE".

I honestly don't remember Sunny comparing her perfect life to others. She has frequently said that she and Manny drive each other crazy, which I think is completely appropriate for a twenty-something year marriage.

Edited October 4, 2019 by xingu

[sugarbaker design]

Second favorite moment:  WhenMM bragged about FOX News ratings over MSNBCs.  Rachel explained how FNs main objectives are pushing the Republican agenda and electing candidates & MSNBCs is to tell the news.  Wonderful.

[xingu]

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Second favorite moment:  WhenMM bragged about FOX News ratings over MSNBCs.  Rachel explained how FNs main objectives are pushing the Republican agenda and electing candidates & MSNBCs is to tell the news.  Wonderful.

I love a good sting covered in honey.  I don't think it's in Rachel's DNA to be nasty, but she reminds me of Dorothy Parker, George S. Kaufman, Tallulah Bankhead, Noel Coward and a splash of Groucho Marx all blended into one gorgeous, tasty cocktail.  I'll take a seat at her Algonquin table/piano bar anytime.

Edited October 4, 2019 by xingu

[sugarbaker design]

26 minutes ago, xingu said:

I love a good sting covered in honey.  I don't think it's in Rachel's DNA to be nasty, but she reminds me of Dorothy Parker, George S. Kaufman, Tallulah Bankhead, Noel Coward and a splash of Groucho Marx all blended into one gorgeous, tasty cocktail.  I'll take a seat at her Algonquin table/piano bar anytime.

So true.  I don't think MM got the full import of what RM was saying until the commercial break.  That's essentially what happens when you pair a 'highly educated woman' with an entitled brat who has had everything handed to her on a silver platter.  Watching these two talk looked like a conversation between Cokie Roberts and Snookie.

[RedheadZombie]

18 hours ago, bannana said:

I feel like they know they won't fileted regardless, but praise JM just to entertain themselves and watch Me-Again become the hypocrite they know she is.

When Me-Again introduced the topic she said that it was all over conservative twitter that Schiff had been contacted by the whistleblower and that he lied about it.  What she meant was that the twitter feed of someone close to her was promoting this angle. I loved Rachel's look of bemusement when she explained the facts to Me-Again.  And also when she tried to clarify "the parody" to Me-Again.  She looked taken aback that Me-Again's stance is that Schiff should not lead the inquiry.  As in, why the fuck not?  She clearly doesn't watch the show or read Me-Again's twitter, because she was genuinely surprised at their points of view. And her point was, the President himself has admitted what he did, so what is all this other nonsense you speak of?! 

How about Rachel's reaction when Abby suggested Rachel is part of the reason people don't trust the news.  It was written all over Rachel's face - Oh, sweet summer child.  I was rolling.  And Joy's assistance of touching Rachel and looking at Abby likes she's an idiot - "Rachel?".  How can the two nepotism twits get away with pretending Fox News is not the problem?  THEY were part of the problem when they worked at Fox.  It's infuriating.

10 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

My favorite moment of the RM interview:  Whoopi asking her (in Whoopi's signature style) 'Do you think Putin bombed the Arabs?'  Rachel's face got all quizical and literally mouthed the question in disbelief until Joy clarified 'The Saudis!'

I was absolutely cringing at that.  Whoopi sounded as ignorant as that old lady telling John McCain that Obama was an "Arab".   How do they let this woman be in charge?  Why is the least well-spoken, as well as dyslexic host do all the teleprompter?   She can't pronounce a damn thing and occasionally seems unable to actually see it.  I know, Whoopi's ego.  Here's a suggestion, continue to pay her the most, continue to call her the moderator, let her sit in "her" chair, but have someone, anyone, else do the teleprompter.  Tell Whoopi it's a new perk because she's an EGOT.

[TV Diva Queen]

9 hours ago, nichelle said:

Since I'd already planned to be in NY this week, I put in a last minute ticket request. I received a 'Group A' ticket (aka standby) and made it into the audience for the Maddow episode. I also attended Rachel's first stop on her book tour tonight so it was pretty much a Rachel Thursday for me. Best day ever 🙂

Anyway, Rachel and Meghan greeted each other warmly (everyone received a hug when she came out on crutches). And when she left the stage after her segments she and Meghan kissed each other on the cheek.

I'm curious....do they give you an actual book, or a coupon of some sort?  I'd hate to get a book and have to lug it around with me all day whilst seeing the sites.  

[TV Diva Queen]

1 hour ago, RedheadZombie said:

How about Rachel's reaction when Abby suggested Rachel is part of the reason people don't trust the news.  It was written all over Rachel's face - Oh, sweet summer child.  I was rolling.  And Joy's assistance of touching Rachel and looking at Abby likes she's an idiot - "Rachel?".  How can the two nepotism twits get away with pretending Fox News is not the problem?  THEY were part of the problem when they worked at Fox.  It's infuriating.

I was absolutely cringing at that.  Whoopi sounded as ignorant as that old lady telling John McCain that Obama was an "Arab".   How do they let this woman be in charge?  Why is the least well-spoken, as well as dyslexic host do all the teleprompter?   She can't pronounce a damn thing and occasionally seems unable to actually see it.  I know, Whoopi's ego.  Here's a suggestion, continue to pay her the most, continue to call her the moderator, let her sit in "her" chair, but have someone, anyone, else do the teleprompter.  Tell Whoopi it's a new perk because she's an EGOT.

Right??? Her reading about the bikini woman on social media was painful.  I had no idea WTF she was talking about.  

[2JEWELL]

23 hours ago, GoldenGirl90 said:

Eh. I wouldn't put too much stock in Trump's campaign fundraising amount, Meghan. A lot of big businesses and corporations support him. CEO of Planet Fitness, My Pillow guy, the heir to Estée Lauder, and the chairman of Marvel Entertainment have all donated money towards his 2020 campaign - and that's just off the top of my head. That's kind of what Joy was getting at when she brought up Trump's tax cuts for the rich, but Meghan said, "no, that's not it."

It might not be the only reason, but it's for sure a contributing factor. Anytime Joy brings up the tax cuts for the wealthy, Meghan brushes it off.

Not to mention, trump is the only Republican raising money.   All of the Democratic money is being divided.  

[JayD83]

The kids are better than most of the regular cohosts. 

[Ladyrain]

Why does Nutty's hair have to look so pretty today, making me compliment her?  i hate when that happens.

[Haleth]

I hope that button doesn’t pop off of Meg’s jacket. It could put an eye out. (Not body shaming but it’s too tight!)

[Ladyrain]

Yeesh!   I just saw the wide shot.   MM is gonna bust right outta that jacket any second.   It is screaming in pain.   It has stretch marks .   And I'm surprised Meghan can even breathe in that thing.   I've seen Spanx that fit looser than that jacket.

Ooops.   Sorry Haleth - I saw your post right after I submitted mine.   GMTA!

[GoldenGirl90]

9 minutes ago, JayD83 said:

The kids are better than most of the regular cohosts. 

Agreed. We should start a petition to have those kids replace everyone at the table with three exceptions. Joy becomes moderator, Sunny comes on for the legal view and Ana remains a Friday regular. If only...

[Ladyrain]

Not body shaming either.   Anyone of any size can wear clothing that is too small.   I'm about MM's size and I would never in a million years wear something that looks so uncomfortable and constricting.   It's making me nervous about a nip slip.

[nichelle]

9 hours ago, xingu said:

[snip]

Wow, if a Group A ticket gives you standby, what does a Group C ticket offer?  A weekend with Meghan?

Ha! There were only two options - Priority and Group A.  Maybe the "A" was just to make us feel better.

Edited October 4, 2019 by nichelle

[nichelle]

59 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I'm curious....do they give you an actual book, or a coupon of some sort?  I'd hate to get a book and have to lug it around with me all day whilst seeing the sites.  

It was the actual book. They handed you a copy as you exited the studio. Luckily I was heading back to the hotel anyway so I was able to leave it there before going back out. It was the same thing for her book tour stop. You were handed a copy of the book as you entered.

[2JEWELL]

How in the world is Abby gonna sit there and (voice shaking, almost teary-eyed) talk about what trouble Joe Biden is in.  Joy was spot on- it’s nepotism at worst . Meanwhile (who the hell is) Abby Huntsman and (my father is John) Meghan McCain have a seat at this table 

[OnTime]

Can they ever stop talking over each other??

My head hurts.

[Coffeewinewater]

Shut up Abby!🤬

Edited October 4, 2019 by Coffeewinewater

[nichelle]

21 minutes ago, JayD83 said:

The kids are better than most of the regular cohosts. 

After Thursday's live show we were told to stay for the kids segment. I'm looking forward to looking at the DVR recording to see how that turned out. It took quite a while and Joy had to do the 'closing' line twice. The producer said the first closing line was "stepped on" so they asked her to do it again. She jokingly said she didn't want to and to give her another line. They took a few minutes to come up with another line. Then they restarted and filmed it. Also, they would prompt her to keep asking the kids questions as they needed more material.

The first closer was a line about the kids not being old enough to vote. The second was a reference to 'The View in 2033' or something like that.

[GoldenGirl90]

Joy is right about the economy. The latest job report was just released and the economy is indeed slowing down. Meghan said it's "fake news" and mentioned that Trump was just tweeting about the economy.

Trump tweets about how great the economy is so it must be true. You sound stupid, Meghan. 

And Abby needs to shut up. I'm glad Joy told her to stop saying the Ukraine scandal is equally as bad for Biden as it is for Trump. No, it's not Abby. At worst, as Joy stated, nepotism is the extent of the problem for Joe Biden and his son.

Edited October 4, 2019 by GoldenGirl90

[2JEWELL]

One more rant!! Lol- Meghan’s rapid fire list of Republicans speaking up fell flat!  She absolutely has no sense of timing or real speaking ability.  And Joy was right . That list did not represent anyone speaking out against trump.  The strongest voice was from Mit Romney (2 weeks ago) and he didn’t say much

[GoldenGirl90]

1 minute ago, 2JEWELL said:

One more rant!! Lol- Meghan’s rapid fire list of Republicans speaking up fell flat!  She absolutely has no sense of timing or real speaking ability.  And Joy was right . That list did not represent anyone speaking out against trump.  The strongest voice was from Mit Romney (2 weeks ago) and he didn’t say much

And it's not even a long list. They displayed the names of all the Republicans who haven't said a word on CNN and trust me there's no comparison. Meghan's blue card failed her again.

[Haleth]

3 hours ago, 2JEWELL said:

One more rant!! Lol- Meghan’s rapid fire list of Republicans speaking up fell flat!  She absolutely has no sense of timing or real speaking ability.  And Joy was right . That list did not represent anyone speaking out against trump.  The strongest voice was from Mit Romney (2 weeks ago) and he didn’t say much

“It’s troubling.”  Gosh, Meg, you are so right about your tribe standing up and speaking out. 🙄

(To his credit MR did issue a stronger statement today.)

Edited October 4, 2019 by Haleth

[GoldenGirl90]

1 minute ago, Haleth said:

“It’s troubling.”  Gosh, Meg, you are so right about your tribe standing up and speaking out. 🙄

There was dead silence after she read that earth-shattering take down 🤣

[PennyPlain]

15 minutes ago, GoldenGirl90 said:

And Abby needs to shut up. I'm glad Joy told her to stop saying the Ukraine scandal is equally as bad for Biden as it is for Trump. No, it's not Abby. At worst, as Joy stated, nepotism is the extent of the problem for Joe Biden and his son.

Are these people intentionally missing the point that what Trump did is WRONG or do they see it and they just do not care?

[TV Diva Queen]

8 minutes ago, GoldenGirl90 said:

And it's not even a long list. They displayed the names of all the Republicans who haven't said a word on CNN and trust me there's no comparison. Meghan's blue card  husband failed her again.

fixed it.  

[Haleth]

Ok, Greta has the cutest family ever. They had me tearing up. 

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I'm curious....do they give you an actual book, or a coupon of some sort?  I'd hate to get a book and have to lug it around with me all day whilst seeing the sites.  

Well if the book is by one of Meghan’s friends you could always leave it behind. I sure would. 

[blondiec0332]

I told  you all Abby was becoming annoying.

Meghan thinks the economy is doing well because she is doing well. For someone who knows "the middle of the country" she is clueless. Come talk to farmers about the tariffs. Go talk to the GM autoworkers on strike.

[lusinia]

That opening was adorable.

So Meghan interrupts Joy and says, like she's an expert, "The economy is not slowing down.  That's just fake news that the economy is slowing down."  That's not what I've heard over the last few weeks.  Various people who understand economics better than I do, and better than Meghan does, have said there are indications that it is happening.  So I guess, when she said earlier this week that it's important that conservatives on tv are honest about what's happening, it only applies to impeachment.  

Are Meghan's false eyelashes too short for her eyes, or are they just applied incorrectly?  They're very distracting.

Oh, Gretta's dog!  I had a hard time telling where it's face was, at first.  All that hair!  Gretta was so lucky she just happened to decide to have a double mastectomy.

[nichelle]

22 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

Well if the book is by one of Meghan’s friends you could always leave it behind. I sure would. 

lol if that were the case I would have just not taken it for sure. But since it was Rachel's book I definitely took it.

It was definitely a pro-Rachel audience. When she came out to take her seat, the audience went nuts. And when Meghan was referring to her time on Fox, the guy in front of me made a disapproving noise. Meghan said "I don't know what that was about" (or something like that) in response. Not sure if the noise was heard on air or not.

One more silly note - There is a comedian that warms up the audience before the show and during every break. She asks each person where they are from, acknowledges special occasions, etc. A woman in the audience said she wanted to be a Whoopi impersonator. Whoopi told her that sometimes that can be tough. Sometimes she doesn't like the reactions she gets being her so try something else... like growing weed. It would be easier and much more lucrative. 😁

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Ladyrain said:

Why does Nutty's hair have to look so pretty today, making me compliment her?  i hate when that happens.

Well, you don't have to compliment her. I don't care what she does that may make her look more attractive--be it hair or clothes. Her personality is just so vile, along with what she spews, that they cancel out the former.

But that's just me.

[Medicine Crow]

4 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well, you don't have to compliment her. I don't care what she does that may make her look more attractive--be it hair or clothes. Her personality is just so vile, along with what she spews, that they cancel out the former.

But that's just me.

... & me!!!

[Tosia]

And me!

[blondiec0332]

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Well, you don't have to compliment her. I don't care what she does that may make her look more attractive--be it hair or clothes. Her personality is just so vile, along with what she spews, that they cancel out the former.

But that's just me.

2 minutes ago, Medicine Crow said:

... & me!!!

Me too. Anything good regarding Meghan is outweighed by all the bad regarding Meghan.

[Coffeewinewater]

Yesterday when they talked about the white female cop, I understood what Joy was asking.  Yes, of course Whoopi shut it down. If you want to hear someone break it down to what a lot are feeling? I suggest watching Trevor Noah on Thursday's Daily show. It really is perfection. 

Edited October 4, 2019 by Coffeewinewater

[Ladyrain]

Did I have to compliment her?  No.  I was just trying to be a teeny weeny bit kind after all the negative things I've said about her.   That's just me.   But I agree with blondiec0332 about all of MM's bad outweighing anything good.   And that's incredibly sad, given all the advantages she's been given in life.

[HaaCHOO]

1 hour ago, GoldenGirl90 said:

Meghan's blue card failed her again.

Meghan's blue card honey failed her again.

(Sorry to "copy" TV Diva Queen), I always read the posts from the bottom up.)

Edited October 4, 2019 by HaaCHOO
Appearance of plagiarism

[PradaKitty]

Meghan! 

Shut up and stop interrupting!! 

Can we please replace her with a dignified 13 year old? 

[HaaCHOO]

10 minutes ago, PradaKitty said:

Can we please replace her with a dignified 13 year old? 

Even an annoying 13-year-old BOY would be a vast improvement!

                    Love...Mother of Boys (I especially loved               their junior high friends)

Edited October 4, 2019 by HaaCHOO

[HaaCHOO]

1 hour ago, GoldenGirl90 said:

And Abby needs to shut up. I'm glad Joy told her to stop saying the Ukraine scandal is equally as bad for Biden as it is for Trump. No, it's not Abby. At worst, as Joy stated, nepotism is the extent of the problem for Joe Biden and his son.

Funny that last sentence is in the paragraph about Abby.  🤣  Apparently she's an expert on Russia/Ukraine because her parents lived the high live there for two years.