S03.E01: Crazy In Love

[Pepper Mostly]

18 minutes ago, Spike said:

Yeah maybe he became a dentist expecting to practice here.  Then the current administration said no one (even refugees) could come from Syria.  Maybe he thinks the combo of marrying an American and applying from Lebanon will open doors that are otherwise closed.  He had some huge Chiclet teeth for a dentist.

He probably has a BDS, a Bachelor of Dental Surgery, which is the common dental degree in many Middle Eastern countries. It is equivalent to a US Dental degree. He can practice there with it but to practice in the US he'd need to get licensed. That means exams, and additional training. At the dental school I worked at, foreign trained dentists who were on the faculty could obtain their American DMD in two years. My boss was a professor, a periodontist (trained in Greece for his DDS, and had a US credit for perio, plus a doctoral degree from Harvard), and could teach at the dental school, and practice in the faculty practice on site at the school, but had to do his two year DMD program to work in a private practice outside the school. No way Omar would be able to get off the plane and get a job as a dentist in the US.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Pepper Mostly

[Persnickety1]

24 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

He probably has a BDS, a Bachelor of Dental Surgery, which is the common dental degree in many Middle Eastern countries. It is equivalent to a US Dental degree. He can practice there with it but to practice in the US he'd need to get licensed. That means exams, and additional training. At the dental school I worked at, foreign trained dentists who were on the faculty could obtain their American DMD in two years. My boss was a professor, a periodontist (trained in Greece for his DDS, and had a US credit for perio, plus a doctoral degree from Harvard), and could teach at the dental school, and practice in the faculty practice on site at the school, but had to do his two year DMD program to work in a private practice outside the school. No way Omar would be able to get off the plane and get a job as a dentist in the US.

I agree.  There was an older dude who owned the mini mart on the corner from my old apartment.  I believe he was from Iraq and had been a medical doctor there.  When he came to the US just a few years before I met him, at his age he couldn't handle the rigorous requirements to obtain a license to practice in the US so he bought the mini mart instead.  Omar is young so he'd likely have no problem, but I can see where for the older immigrants it could be a tough row to hoe.  I'd have probably said fuck it and bought a mini mart, too.  

[seacliffsal]

6 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Nope. All you have to do is say:

I testify “La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.”

“There is no true god (deity) but God (Allah), and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God".

Its nice if a person studies and learns about Islam first but it is by no means required.

Thank you so very much for clarifying this for me.  I sincerely apologize for my lack of knowledge, but it's why I depend on my cohorts on this board to get real information and clarity!

[Pepper Mostly]

1 minute ago, Persnickety1 said:

I agree.  There was an older dude who owned the mini mart on the corner from my old apartment.  I believe he was from Iraq and had been a medical doctor there.  When he came to the US just a few years before I met him, at his age he couldn't handle the rigorous requirements to obtain a license to practice in the US so he bought the mini mart instead.  Omar is young so he'd likely have no problem, but I can see where for the older immigrants it could be a tough row to hoe.  I'd have probably said fuck it and bought a mini mart, too.  

And all that additional training, and the exams? Cost money. Lots of money. I can see why someone would opt for a mini mart, honestly.

When I worked at a temp agency placing medical secretaries and tech people, we'd often get foreign trained doctors looking for temp work as phlebotomists.

[Guest]

Don't judge me (kidding, I know that's what we're here for), but Avery is hot. I'll be more than happy to date her in two months when she picks bisexuality as her next phase.

[Dmarie019]

On 8/5/2019 at 12:38 AM, chickenella said:

Why isn't he pursuing local women? Where are his family members? His friends? His support system? Everyone else had their family members on this episode, I think. I really hope he isn't all alone because I fear this relationship will end badly.

His "friend" was a client at the salon..... to me that spoke more than words. Unless all of his family members and real friends new this is a completely trainwreck and wanted nothing to do with it. 

23 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

IN the previews he looks sloppy too. 

He looks greasy and gross.

3 hours ago, charmed1 said:

I believe that’s how he met his last girlfriend. The one he claims got him into doing nails. I hope he doesn’t hit on customers. I can’t imagine how uncomfortable that would make me if I frequented that business.

Didn't he say it was his high school GF? From the blurred out pictures it looked like her familly might be the type to own a salon. 

There is no way the TLC cameras are going to Syria. Would TLC really be that stupid??? I highly doubt it happens but in the teensy chance it does, I wonder how many quit after pulling the short straw on that deal.  I wonder if they were first brought on to be part of 90 days the other way. 

So Avery has the dentist right? And the older detective lady gets a greaseball who supposedly works a seasonal job at the tv station "getting audience members"  

yea.. ok...

[Spike]

Just now, Dmarie019 said:

His "friend" was a client at the salon..... to me that spoke more than words. Unless all of his family members and real friends new this is a completely trainwreck and wanted nothing to do with it. 

He looks greasy and gross.

Didn't he say it was his high school GF? From the blurred out pictures it looked like her familly might be the type to own a salon. 

There is no way the TLC cameras are going to Syria. Would TLC really be that stupid??? I highly doubt it happens but in the teensy chance it does, I wonder how many quit after pulling the short straw on that deal.  I wonder if they were first brought on to be part of 90 days the other way. 

So Avery has the dentist right? And the older detective lady gets a greaseball who supposedly works a seasonal job at the tv station "getting audience members"  

yea.. ok...

I think they are meeting in Lebanon not Syria.  Did anyone notice the newsreel footage of carnage in Syria they edited in?  That may be a first.  They didn’t edit in the supposed martial law in Ukraine.

2 minutes ago, Dmarie019 said:

His "friend" was a client at the salon..... to me that spoke more than words. Unless all of his family members and real friends new this is a completely trainwreck and wanted nothing to do with it. 

He looks greasy and gross.

Didn't he say it was his high school GF? From the blurred out pictures it looked like her familly might be the type to own a salon. 

There is no way the TLC cameras are going to Syria. Would TLC really be that stupid??? I highly doubt it happens but in the teensy chance it does, I wonder how many quit after pulling the short straw on that deal.  I wonder if they were first brought on to be part of 90 days the other way. 

So Avery has the dentist right? And the older detective lady gets a greaseball who supposedly works a seasonal job at the tv station "getting audience members"  

yea.. ok...

Maybe the Tunisian version of Maury with paternity tests!

[essexjan]

Oooh, I found this on my streaming site today when I was looking for 90DF The Other Way.  Here's my take on it:

Caesar I felt sorry for him at first but if he's too stupid to see he's being scammed then more fool him. I agree with everyone who's said he's the author of his own misfortune because he has set his sights on a porn star and is allowing his dick to do the thinking. Not that his dick will ever get anywhere near whoever that woman in the video is.  I think porn is one of the most destructively pervasive influences on people finding happy relationships. I'm not saying Caesar watches porn - I don't know if he does or not. But there is a scenario in many porn films of a young, hot girl finding an older, unattractive man irresistible and this leads men to have totally unrealistic expectations of what they think they 'deserve' rather than putting effort into finding someone they might truly be compatible with. 

Avery I think she is seriously rebelling against a childhood where she had stringent controls (IIRC she was a competitive gymnast which is such a difficult discipline). When I first saw her I was hoping there'd be a positive depiction of Islam on television but I can see where the storyline is going on this one and it's not good.

Rebecca Good God, where do I fucking begin? You stupid, stupid woman. For a start, all the cutesy-pie image she's trying to portray to this man is idiotic. She's an attractive woman and those filters make her look ridiculous. But she seems very immature, with the photos of Zeid all over her home. I LOL'd at the coffee mug.  And, far from being some handsome Arabian hunk, he's a slack-jawed, mumbling dullard. No wonder her children are appalled.

Darcey Oh dear. As delusional as ever that this man is her Knight in Shining Armour. No insight into her own behaviour which contributed to the implosion of her relationship with Jesse. She's like a 14-year-old who fantasises about marrying a pop star and practises writing her 'new' signature over and over (I did that with Donny Osmond but that was 45 years ago, don't judge me ...) Her new man, Tom, is so not into her and only wants TV time. I've flown across the Atlantic dozens of times and it's perfectly possible to freshen up. The key is to wear no make-up at all, go into Duty Free before the flight and slather your face in Lancome Genifique serum, keep a toothbrush, toothpaste and some good quality cleansing wipes in your bag and it's easy enough to arrive looking fresh and with a clean, minty mouth. But of course this wouldn't work for Darcey because her make-up bag is probably bigger than most people's carry-ons so she has to trowel it all on before she gets on the plane.

Timothy As we say in the UK, what an utter bell-end*. He looks like a bobblehead doll and compensates for his lack of personality and charm by driving a sports car that screams "I AM A WANKER!" (another British phrase**) as he drives down the street. Another guy batting way out of his league but able to do so at the moment because he has money. I get a gay vibe from him too.

* https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bellend

** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanker

[HaaCHOO]

7 hours ago, iwasish said:

2. That girl should absolutely walk her silly American ass into war torn Syria.  Absolutely no one should be called upon to save her if shit goes sideways. 

This is EXACTLY how I feel when I see the evening news (almost every evening) here in the Phoenix area.  Temperatures are in the high 100-teens (in the shade) yet these "athletes" insist on hiking in the mountains in full sunlight.  When they fall or pass out, our firefighters and helicopter pilots endanger their own lives to save these idiots.  They're not even charged for the horrendous expenses!

Edited August 6, 2019 by HaaCHOO

[nytonc]

Why why why do these brainless idiots fall for this shit? If a 26 yr old guy asks 40 something year old you to marry him within one month of “meeting” online, he’s a scammer and you have the intellect of a rock! If a beautiful young woman needs you to send her money month after month, she’s a scammer and you are a soon to be bankruptcy-filing moron!  If the only way you can be married is by importing the emoji-sending love of your life on a K-1 visa, you can be pretty much assured it will not end well.  And this ditz got scammed once before??   I just don’t get it.  Darcy and her sister with their eyelashes and duck lips and pointy nails just creep me the hell out altogether. 

Edited August 6, 2019 by nytonc

[Spike]

Are duck lips supposed to improve fellatio?  They certainly don’t look good so hopefully they have some use.

[Kangatush]

18 hours ago, RealReality said:

Are chocolate panties made of like solid chocolate?  Or is it like some sort of fruit roll-up material so someone can wear them?

Asking for a friend obviously.

I'll admit that my knowledge on edible undergarments is from studying them in sex shops as opposed to personal use, but there are two types.  The fruity and chocolate ones are like fruit roll up string bikini bottoms that tie on the sides to accommodate different body types.  Then you have the ones that are like those candy necklaces with circular candy on a stretchy thread that you bite off.  Caesar also had some of those.

[RealReality]

5 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

I'll admit that my knowledge on edible undergarments is from studying them in sex shops as opposed to personal use, but there are two types.  The fruity and chocolate ones are like fruit roll up string bikini bottoms that tie on the sides to accommodate different body types.  Then you have the ones that are like those candy necklaces with circular candy on a stretchy thread that you bite off.  Caesar also had some of those.

Thank you, this is the information that sates my curiosity but doesnt make Google think I want to buy a variety of edible undergarments.  

[Kangatush]

21 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

Forgive me for my potential ignorance, but I thought it took time to convert to Islam.  I thought there were classes/lessons, etc.  So, a month seems very short to me (or maybe I totally misunderstood how long Avila has been a Muslim).  I do think there's an element of attention seeking to it.  Hopefully her parents are not buying her ticket and paying for her wedding.  If this is something she really wants, she (and I'll put Nicole in here as well) needs to figure out how to pay for it.  

It's actually really easy to do the actual conversion.  You just need to say two phrases in Arabic, and take a cleansing shower.  The time comes in from all the study on the religion you do before that, because you need to mean the phrases.  

And Islam is like all other religions.  There are different types.  Many dress totally "Western", some drink, many eat pork...  Simply to be Islamic doesn't mean you have to wear the clothing.  It is a choice within the religion.

https://www.learnreligions.com/how-to-convert-to-islam-2004198

[Kangatush]

Dear Darcey, Nothing says "over your ex and moving on" like constantly talking about him and still being linked on Instagram.

[mochamajesty]

18 hours ago, mmal said:

Caesar's, now private, instagram has a picture of him, from a couple of years ago, with a porn star.

He calls himself "black Brazilian stallion" in the text.

Ugh. No sympathy at all. 

[iwasish]

2 hours ago, Kangatush said:

I'll admit that my knowledge on edible undergarments is from studying them in sex shops as opposed to personal use, but there are two types.  The fruity and chocolate ones are like fruit roll up string bikini bottoms that tie on the sides to accommodate different body types.  Then you have the ones that are like those candy necklaces with circular candy on a stretchy thread that you bite off.  Caesar also had some of those.

I’m hoping he wasn’t going to bring that stuff to the Ukraine.. Customs for sure would have a good time with it.  

[TzuShih]

On 8/5/2019 at 9:23 AM, libgirl2 said:

I'm glad I am not the only one who felt that. Something is off with him! 

Alas, the Earl of enTitled Tom comes off as 'doing an interpretation/characterization/impression of an Upper Class Brit.'  Having lived in London, it seems to me that his "act is soooo over the top!"  I suspect, heaven forbid, that at some point, he will say to some gent, "indeed old boy!" (Or some such cliched old-fashioned upper class quip.)  

Darcy, I'm a twin too, and I'd love SO much if you would 'wise up' to this nonsense.  (Unless you're enjoying your stint on the "Fiance shows" in which case I'd say have fun - BUT BEWARE!  You are a role model for your bright, lovely daughters.)

[100Proof]

Avery: "Moving to Syria is the best way I know how to get a head"

[100Proof]

5 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

I agree.  There was an older dude who owned the mini mart on the corner from my old apartment.  

By any chance is his name Apu?

[RichiesOlderBro]

22 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I think he's a dead ringer for Huggy Bear in the TV series Starsky and Hutch.

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On 8/5/2019 at 10:48 AM, BravoAddict72 said:

Did anyone catch the picture of Caesar with a child on his fridge? Does he have children? Or an ex?

I saw that, and am willing myself to believe that it's a niece or nephew and not his own child.

The picture clearly said ‘daddy’. 

[doyouevengohere]

The dentist from Syria; could he even come here if they married?  I mean yes he could apply for a spousal visa, but with the ban would that even be a valid thing?

[PrimeTuner]

9 hours ago, Spike said:

Instead of rice they can throw poison gas canisters at the wedding.

Now intelligent do you need to be to paint nails?

Probably not very intelligent. Plus the toxins in the nail cleaning materials can really affect your health. You're probably right. He just seems like a nice guy, well organized and everything so I was trying to cut him some slack. Reality is that he's showing himself to be not particularly bright - sending that girl $800 a month and then that money for a plane ticket to Mexico, which I have my doubts she will buy. We'll see in one of the next episodes. 

[PrimeTuner]

6 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

I agree.  There was an older dude who owned the mini mart on the corner from my old apartment.  I believe he was from Iraq and had been a medical doctor there.  When he came to the US just a few years before I met him, at his age he couldn't handle the rigorous requirements to obtain a license to practice in the US so he bought the mini mart instead.  Omar is young so he'd likely have no problem, but I can see where for the older immigrants it could be a tough row to hoe.  I'd have probably said fuck it and bought a mini mart, too.  

Happens often that migrants/expats have to adjust their expectations and may need to change careers when moving abroad. How many times have we heard of Sikh doctors or engineers or IT specialists ending up driving taxi cabs or trucks once they reach the US? In the same vein, many Americans and other westerners who may be qualified as engineers, doctors and other professionals end up becoming English teachers in Asia, jobs they are overqualified for. This is especially true for younger people due to lack of experience. Therefore I think that Omar's young age and his lack of experience are rather going to be liabilities as opposed to opening the way for a career in his field in the US. Chances are, he won't make it. And that's understandable. US citizens should have priority in getting jobs. 

[BluBrd47]

8 hours ago, magemaud said:

In the brief (tee hee) glimpse I got of the Chocolate Panties, they appeared to be chocolate G-strings, so it I guess it would just be a triangle of chocolate, not full sized granny bloomers. 

Oh, thank you for answering my question. I HAVE heard of them but not since the 90’s when the only sex toy shops were dark dens of shade and the most  appropriate place to buy such a thing was in the back of Cosmopolitan magazine. Homeboy seriously needs to get into this century.

[Toaster Strudel]

42 minutes ago, RichiesOlderBro said:

The picture clearly said ‘daddy’. 

That fridge is perfectly clean and completely empty.

[PrimeTuner]

18 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Avery's family are taken aback by her decision to convert; Nicole's would probably all die of collective heart failure. They are so horrified by the prospect of Nicole converting that they whisper the word "Muslim" as people might say "she's seeing a psychiatrist" or "he has AIDS" in other times.  "If you get married in Morocco, will it be a....Muslim wedding?" in hushed tones.

And Avery may be stupid and naive, but I do give her credit for trying to find a spiritual path. She's young and maybe she'll try on a lot of religions and philosophies, as young people are wont to do. I just hope she comes out of this unscathed. Its extreme. 

Indeed,  converting to Islam would be a deal breaker and unfathomable to both Nicole personally and her family. She'd have to grow up and change her lifestyle and that's not something she's willing to do. Azan seems like a very casual Muslim so it's unlikely he would insist upon conversion but I also think he's just playing her and she will eventually wake up from her trance and accept this. 

I actually knew someone who converted to Islam like Avery did. Difference is she's a bit older than Avery; at the time she converted she must have been around 26 or 27. However, she has the same sort of demeanor and naivety as her. She stopped being friends and unfriended people like me on Facebook for no apparent reason, but probably because in her religion it may be considered taboo to be friends with unrelated males especially non-Muslims like me. That's what I presume because otherwise it doesn't make any sense. In any case I haven't spoken to that girl in years and since she unfriended me I decided to take it one step further and block her so there's no chance of her contacting me again. Like Avery, this girl seems to be interpreting Islam about as strictly as possible, more strictly than many people born into that culture. That kind of attitude scares me a bit, to be honest. Avery for example is under no obligation to cover her hair inside the house. Even in many strict Muslim countries, this is not required. I hope everything goes well for her but as her parents I'd be extremely worried. I wouldn't have much of a concern if she were like Deaven and marrying someone from South Korea but converting to Islam and then getting into a relationship with someone from Syria after being an "all-American" girl all your life? What's wrong with being an all-American girl? Something is both amiss and disturbing about her story and I don't know where to put my finger on it. We'll have to wait and see as the show progresses. 

Edited August 7, 2019 by PrimeTuner

[Kangatush]

Where exactly was Caesar supposed to meet Maria the three other times she flaked?  And how kind of the travel agent to only take half her money.  

[Spike]

The first hour of the next ep is available on demand and chock full of cringe.

[Kangatush]

2 minutes ago, Spike said:

The first hour of the next ep is available on demand and chock full of cringe.

Oh I'm sure.  I do my best to avoid watching early though so I don't get confused by the eleventy billion different versions of the show.

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

Oh I'm sure.  I do my best to avoid watching early though so I don't get confused by the eleventy billion different versions of the show.

I envy your self control.

[RealReality]

20 minutes ago, Spike said:

The first hour of the next ep is available on demand and chock full of cringe.

Yes, it sure is!  Shenanigans!  Full cringe, no filler.

16 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

Oh I'm sure.  I do my best to avoid watching early though so I don't get confused by the eleventy billion different versions of the show.

13 minutes ago, Spike said:

I envy your self control.

I admire people with self control too.  I always fall for TLCs dirty tricks.

[RealReality]

7 hours ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

Don't judge me (kidding, I know that's what we're here for), but Avery is hot. I'll be more than happy to date her in two months when she picks bisexuality as her next phase.

Girl, no judgement but do not let her know where you live.  She has a touch of the crazy eyes and I feel like she could possiblity turn stalker if she saw someone on Instagram do it.

[magemaud]

9 hours ago, RealReality said:

10 hours ago, magemaud said:

In the brief (tee hee) glimpse I got of the Chocolate Panties, they appeared to be chocolate G-strings, so it I guess it would just be a triangle of chocolate, not full sized granny bloomers. 

I like that you're brave enough to Google the things I'm too scared to Google.  

So, is this like Tootsie roll material?  Or like Helen grace chocolate Easter egg material?  

I was just going by what I believe I saw on the packages Cesar was putting in his suitcase. The one on the top said "Chocolate G-String." But you got me wondering about the ingredients so I went to good old Amazon (they have everything!) and found a chocolate thong. The reviews were scathing, some people had actually taken pictures of the package contents and it looked like a plastic garbage bag cut into a strip with plastic ties. The only resemblance to chocolate was the color. People brave enough to taste them said they were terrible. Some of the comments were hilarious, like how many Weight Watchers points in a pair. 

[Kangatush]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

I envy your self control.

2 hours ago, RealReality said:

I admire people with self control too.  I always fall for TLCs dirty tricks.

I have no self control, I just find other things to do.  Like I'm currently catsitting for my dad and instead of just taking care of him and leaving, I've been hanging out to mess with my dad's Netflix algorithm.  He likes gritty crime dramas and foreign historical stuff, so I watch a lot of Disney and bad British reality shows.  I'm currently watching My Hotter Half where couples get ranked by strangers to determine who's hotter and the loser has a style makeover and a chance to be re-judged to see if they are now the hottest.

Edited August 7, 2019 by Kangatush

[renatae]

I'm playing Words with Friends, and I'm doing a solo challenge. The computer "player" says, "Look over there, a goat." LOL, I guess we'll never be rid of Jesse!

[Pepper Mostly]

10 hours ago, PrimeTuner said:

Avery for example is under no obligation to cover her hair inside the house. Even in many strict Muslim countries, this is not required.

Well of course she isn't! She covers because she's loving doing it.  Ever hear that phrase "the zeal of the convert"? A person who converts is often over the top in observance. 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Pepper Mostly

[lu1535]

When Avery was showing us the "sinful" clothes she used to wear, all I could think was why hasn't she thrown them away? Saving them just in case.....................................?

[Mothra]

17 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Avery's family are taken aback by her decision to convert; Nicole's would probably all die of collective heart failure. They are so horrified by the prospect of Nicole converting that they whisper the word "Muslim" as people might say "she's seeing a psychiatrist" or "he has AIDS" in other times.  "If you get married in Morocco, will it be a....Muslim wedding?" in hushed tones.

And Avery may be stupid and naive, but I do give her credit for trying to find a spiritual path. She's young and maybe she'll try on a lot of religions and philosophies, as young people are wont to do. I just hope she comes out of this unscathed. Its extreme. 

Exactly--and I wish I'd thought of this.  We in the US have been brainwashed to equate Muslim with terrorism, and that just plain isn't true.  My goodness, haven't we had enough examples of young men from so-called "normal" religious schools here (Catholic, Episcopal, for god's sake) who are espousing violent, terroristic ideas, and in some cases acting on them?

And Avery is the *only* American going overseas for love who has made an effort to conform to the culture and beliefs of the young man she is wooing, and goofy as she may seem to us (and don't get me wrong--she seems plenty goofy to me, but as darling PM points out, that's what young people do, and what they should be doing), she is making a mature and good faith effort to understand just what she is signing up for.  None of this "I'm an American girl, and nobody tells me how to dress" shit, and she deserves our credit.

The stories in the news about Isis wives desperate to return home are what we read about *because they are news.*  Women who have converted to Islam and are living happy lives in Muslim countries aren't news, and I hope Avery will be one of them.

[PrimeTuner]

2 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Well of course she is! Ever hear that phrase "the zeal of the convert"? A person who converts is often over the top in observance. 

Actually, there is no such obligation. It depends on the specific culture and country and even the family themselves. The idea behind wearing a head covering or hijab is so when a Muslim woman goes outside, she becomes undesirable to other men. You are right about the "over the top" observance of Islam by new followers. It's often quite similar among Christian converts. 

[PrimeTuner]

1 hour ago, Mothra said:

Exactly--and I wish I'd thought of this.  We in the US have been brainwashed to equate Muslim with terrorism, and that just plain isn't true.  My goodness, haven't we had enough examples of young men from so-called "normal" religious schools here (Catholic, Episcopal, for god's sake) who are espousing violent, terroristic ideas, and in some cases acting on them?

And Avery is the *only* American going overseas for love who has made an effort to conform to the culture and beliefs of the young man she is wooing, and goofy as she may seem to us (and don't get me wrong--she seems plenty goofy to me, but as darling PM points out, that's what young people do, and what they should be doing), she is making a mature and good faith effort to understand just what she is signing up for.  None of this "I'm an American girl, and nobody tells me how to dress" shit, and she deserves our credit.

The stories in the news about Isis wives desperate to return home are what we read about *because they are news.*  Women who have converted to Islam and are living happy lives in Muslim countries aren't news, and I hope Avery will be one of them.

Avery is certainly mature beyond her years when it comes to her observance of religion and her determination. However, she's very naive about what awaits her in Syria even if she feels she can adapt to a much more unpredictable and most certainly less comfortable life. 

[charmed1]

10 hours ago, RichiesOlderBro said:

The picture clearly said ‘daddy’. 

Annnd right next to it is a “breast milk storage guide.” Pardon me while I just back out of Caesar’s kitchen, grab my keys and run like a bat out of hell.

[RealReality]

If ceasar has a child and chose to blow 40k on a woman who can barely stand to be on the phone with him and doesn't know his name instead of using that money to start a college fund for his kid puts him at the very front of the race for the very worst person this season.

Fingers crossed that no stories come out about him being in arrears on his child support because that would make me ragey.

[Pepper Mostly]

28 minutes ago, PrimeTuner said:

Actually, there is no such obligation. It depends on the specific culture and country and even the family themselves. The idea behind wearing a head covering or hijab is so when a Muslim woman goes outside, she becomes undesirable to other men. You are right about the "over the top" observance of Islam by new followers. It's often quite similar among Christian converts. 

Yes I know there is no obligation to cover indoors. The point I was making is that Avery is exaggerated in her observance of these strictures, to the point of going over the top. I know the reasons behind the head covering. I understand that in some countries observance is more conservative and even government mandated. I'm not sure what you are explaining to me here. I understand that people convert to religions other than Islam. 

1 hour ago, Mothra said:

The stories in the news about Isis wives desperate to return home are what we read about *because they are news.*  Women who have converted to Islam and are living happy lives in Muslim countries aren't news, and I hope Avery will be one of them.

Sigh. I do too. But I have doubt.

[PrimeTuner]

8 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Yes I know there is no obligation to cover indoors. The point I was making is that Avery is exaggerated in her observance of these strictures, to the point of going over the top. I know the reasons behind the head covering. I understand that in some countries observance is more conservative and even government mandated. I'm not sure what you are explaining to me here. I understand that people convert to religions other than Islam. 

Sigh. I do too. But I have doubt.

I was just saying that some Christian converts are also quite "over the top" in terms of adhering to the tenets of their new religion. However, unlike Islam, Christianity does not demand such strict modesty of dress or lifestyle changes. 

[DiamondGirl]

10 hours ago, PrimeTuner said:

Reality is that he's showing himself to be not particularly bright - sending that girl $800 a month and then that money for a plane ticket to Mexico, which I have my doubts she will buy. We'll see in one of the next episodes. 

She’s as likely to show up in Mexico as Azan was in Grenada.

[essexjan]

On 8/5/2019 at 6:19 PM, Spike said:

All those tramp stamps come home to roost. 

When I was a divorce lawyer many moons ago I had a client whose family was a never-ending source of revenue for the criminal law department in my firm. Her husband had served her with divorce papers, and in them he'd said that he thought she might be cheating because of a tattoo she'd recently had done. I asked her what it was and she pulled up her (already short) skirt to show me.

It was a tattoo on her inner thigh of an erect penis pointing towards her vajayjay, with a little arrow saying 'insert here'. Classy. I said "that'll look nice when you're 80 years old in a nursing home, won't it ..."

[noveltylibrary]

On 8/4/2019 at 10:47 PM, sainte-chapelle said:

I am so happy I got to relive "You never loved me get out of my life!"

I had fun reliving the whole thing since TLC went down memory lane!  "Cut it on a bias, I've worked in restaurants.."😂

[John M]

1 hour ago, PrimeTuner said:

I was just saying that some Christian converts are also quite "over the top" in terms of adhering to the tenets of their new religion. However, unlike Islam, Christianity does not demand such strict modesty of dress or lifestyle changes. 

While it is certainly less common there are plenty of Christian sects that modest dress including head coverings and significant lifestyle restrictions, e.g. the Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, etc.

[essexjan]

On 8/5/2019 at 8:11 PM, Spike said:

Yeah there have been a lot from Georgia and Florida as well.  Doesn’t reflect well on the region lol.  Maybe those states have tax credits for filming.   I know Georgia does.

Don't forget Ohio. The Buckeye State has given us Ricky (who also liked the Colombian ladies, although they didn't like him), Avery and the Patron Saint of 90DF, Dinyell.