S09.E24: Reunion Part 3

[langford peel]

Of course how she walks is under her control. You see as a child she hated her fathers music. She was a big Frankie Valle fan.

[Door County Cherry]

LVP in relation to the reunion is on topic.

Dining experiences in her restaurants should be moved to her thread at this time.

Thanks.

[KungFuBunny]

When they had the discussion abut the lie detector test I wish Andy would have answered a question I had

Was the Camille asking LVP to come to her wedding again filmed before or after LVP took the lie detector test?

It's exactly the same outfit - from head to toe - from the white sneakers to the blue cardigan tied around her neck sans the dark blazer.

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

When they had the discussion abut the lie detector test I wish Andy would have answered a question I had

Was the Camille asking LVP to come to her wedding again filmed before or after LVP took the lie detector test?

It's exactly the same outfit - from head to toe - from the white sneakers to the blue cardigan tied around her neck sans the dark blazer.

are spice girl massive shoes back? did I miss something? lol

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Special note to Dosodog

I didn't mean that you are going to poop ON the Casino floor like the infamous contestant on Flava Flav

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think we’re getting a little off topic now lol 

Not if we were in the RH of NY thread.  And they were in Columbia!

 

[BluBrd47]

14 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

When they had the discussion abut the lie detector test I wish Andy would have answered a question I had

Was the Camille asking LVP to come to her wedding again filmed before or after LVP took the lie detector test?

It's exactly the same outfit - from head to toe - from the white sneakers to the blue cardigan tied around her neck sans the dark blazer.

That outfit is positively ghastly. I know mom jeans are back in but I don’t think she’s trying to follow trends...

[chenoa333]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I think we’re getting a little off topic now lol 

So sorry. 😞

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, chenoa333 said:

So sorry. 😞

Don’t be sorry No I was just trying to stop us from wandering too far off topic before an admin did lol 

[chenoa333]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Don’t be sorry No I was just trying to stop us from wandering too far off topic before an admin did lol 

I get that! I've been reprimanded before so I know the drill hunny!

[Bossa Nova]

The BH season is over. 

Hoo ray. 

[langford peel]

20 minutes ago, Bossa Nova said:

The BH franchise is over. 

Hoo ray. 

Fixed it for you.

[Happy Camper]

8 minutes ago, Bossa Nova said:

The BH season is over. 

Hoo ray.

Next season will go the route of OC, Miami, Vancouver.  Redundancies happen. At best a scant few will remain to watch. In the words of a genius....."Another one bites the dust."

Oh and message for Ted and Kyle:

[Lizzing]

I watched the first two installments on a regular HD TV and then watched this last one at home in 4K.  My big takeaway was (beyond how much bullshit was unnecessary and filler to make a 3rd hour) was that Kyle really needs to rethink how much highlighter she puts on her temples because that shit got seriously crease-y and was glaringly aging her in 4K.  For all the Botox she uses, she sure missed a spot.  Erika, OTOH, didn't have any of her lines show, so at least Tom got his $$ worth out of that defaulted loan.

[langford peel]

Not anymore. It came out today that the court ordered he pay six million on the remainder of the loan or they lose the house that they put up as collateral.

They are up against it. Luckily that wasn’t a topic worthy of in depth discussion on the reunion.

[Kiki777]

Does anyone watch Savage Kingdom on the National Geographic channel?  There was a new queen of the hyena clan who became insufferable and mean.  The others ripped her apart.  Literally, with their teeth they decapitated her and carried her head around as a trophy.  It was gruesome but fascinating.

I believe the Real Hyenas of Beverly Hills will have a similar reaction to their new queen next season, and it's gonna be interesting.

P.S I've said it before, but I hope they cast Nicolette Sheridan- I would even sign a petition if there was one- to wipe the smug smirk off Rinna's face.

[chlban]

I finally finished part 3. It took me 3 separate attempts, because it was awful. Erika looked pretty and I actually liked Rhinnas wig. Dorit looked like a clown with those ridiculous clips  Denise's face looks odd. Too much botox or surgery not sure, and really don't care. Way too much of Vile Kyle and her fake crying and it is way too much if Dorit and Teddi if they are present. ROBH officially joins NJ and Atlanta as HW I used to watch. Unless they bring in Nicolette Sheridan ir someone that is a sworn enemy of Vile, which should be easy to find  since she can't get along with her own sisters.

Edited August 2, 2019 by chlban

[chlban]

5 hours ago, langford peel said:

Not anymore. It came out today that the court ordered he pay six million on the remainder of the loan or they lose the house that they put up as collateral.

They are up against it. Luckily that wasn’t a topic worthy of in depth discussion on the reunion.

Tom does a local  radio show. I think its called Champions of Justice. As far as I know, it is only on  Saturday on KABC. I catch the last few minutes if it occasionally if we leave the dog park a little early.  It ends at noon, not sure when it starts, but if anyone in the L.A./OC area is interested. I doubt he will discuss his own case, of course.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, chlban said:

I finally finished part 3. It took me 3 separate attempts, because it was awful. Erika looked pretty and I actually liked Rhinnas wig. Dorit looked like a clown with those ridiculous clips  Denise's face looks odd. Too much botox or surgery not sure, and really don't care. Way too much of Vile Kyle and her fake crying and it is way too much if Dorit and Teddi if they are present. ROBH officially joins NJ and Atlanta as HW I used to watch. Unless they bring in Nicolette Sheridan ir someone that is a sworn enemy of Vile, which should be easy to find  since she can't get along with her own sisters.

I think that Denise has had less work done than the other ladies, so she looks off compared to them.  I noticed that she has some sagging around her mouth which is on par for a woman of her age.  She has not used either botox or filler in that area yet.  It will be interesting to see if she gets any work done between seasons to keep up with the other ladies.  I hope not.

[Yours Truly]

On 7/31/2019 at 1:01 AM, Shannah Banana said:

LVP admits to taking the lie detector test two times.

Lisa Vanderpump ✔ @LisaVanderpump

Yes @Andy I passed lie detector we have the footage on iPhone and then when production heard of it they wanted to film it.
So it was scary in front of camera crew, but yes I passed it twice.

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I find myself very curious as to why she took it the first time? 

Seems to me that since the commentary of "taking a lie detector test" was thrown around by her a few times she actually decided to do it. She recorded it on her phone most likely to maybe whip it out at any possible future confrontation with one of the ladies.  I think it was more of a sure, why not, let's do it, kind of a decision. Just to have on her phone, not necessarily meant to broadcast but to have it as a "BAM, now shut up" if it were to be brought up again. I really don't think it was meant to be this huge "official" declaration of innocence. More of a bratty piece of "proof" to dish out if the moment presented itself.

The second test, was productions idea, as well as filming it. LVP agreed.

[Yours Truly]

On 7/31/2019 at 2:07 PM, byrd said:

As I recall it, LVP rarely inserts herself into anything because she can manipulate them into doing it for her, inserting oneself like (Teddi) is a different thing altogether. Lisa was directly accused of doing things not one of them could prove. Not one can prove she asked her staff to leak a story, no one could prove the first season that she leaked a story.  I  can admit that she's a master at this game but what's insane to me is that THEY DON'T SEEM TO GET THAT  ! This is why I like her... other than the fact that she's a true representation of Beverly Hills Lifestyle..that's what I thought I was getting when I first became interested in this series.

What bugs the shit out of me is that what seems to be the real truth is that Lisa has a naughty sense of humor and can stir stuff up. Okay fine but to honestly act as if other people's negative actions still revolve around a smirk, a look, a telling laugh given by LVP is just absolutely juvineille.  Are you kidding me? So because there are nitwits out there that want to pant around LVP and leap to nasty behavior because they THINK LVP will be pleased? That's LVP's fault? She's no Mafia Boss, she's not threatening anyone or dangling punishments if her will isn't dispensed. So now she's got to tip toe around everyone for fear of them thinking that her laughing at some gossip or her making a quick catty comment will then lead to "minons" selling stories, outing secrets, starting rumors?  It's gotten more and more ridiculous as the seasons have gone on.  Sounds to me that LVP does her fair share of talking shit. The problem Lisa faces is that some people take that and try to turn it into a high school mean girl clique scenario where it's assumed the "Queen Bee" wants to destroy said person. 

The other thing that really bugs is that what has been expressed, in each and every "scandal" involving LVP "starting it" the information revealed never truly amounted to much. At the most the "smoking gun" has always been maybe one comment or joke or laugh. Really? She makes a throw away comment and someone stupidly runs with it and usually runs in the wrong direction and LVP is to blame. Even if she did give the impression that she would enjoy a bit of tomfollery at the expense of one of the ladies if someone chose to initiate the charge (knuck, knuck)  why the hell is that the bigger offense?  So LVP laughs at some idea of bad behavior, that isn't some direct order to go and completely destroy another person. If someone else is so pathetically eager to win the approval of another adult that they are running around trying to create damaging stories and accusations about someone else then that says more about the true culprits lack of moral character. Always trying to pin the behaviors of other grown women on LVP has always been a problem for me. 

[Impalace]

On 7/31/2019 at 12:26 PM, Showthyme said:

Kim Zolciak. The others were accusing her of being a racist. Kim's walkoff and scene with Andy was more memorable. 

No. He didn't chase her when her segment ended. She asked for him and they brought the cameras in and exposed her for the racist she is. 

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

What bugs the shit out of me is that what seems to be the real truth is that Lisa has a naughty sense of humor and can stir stuff up. Okay fine but to honestly act as if other people's negative actions still revolve around a smirk, a look, a telling laugh given by LVP is just absolutely juvineille.  Are you kidding me? So because there are nitwits out there that want to pant around LVP and leap to nasty behavior because they THINK LVP will be pleased? That's LVP's fault? She's no Mafia Boss, she's not threatening anyone or dangling punishments if her will isn't dispensed. So now she's got to tip toe around everyone for fear of them thinking that her laughing at some gossip or her making a quick catty comment will then lead to "minons" selling stories, outing secrets, starting rumors?  It's gotten more and more ridiculous as the seasons have gone on.  Sounds to me that LVP does her fair share of talking shit. The problem Lisa faces is that some people take that and try to turn it into a high school mean girl clique scenario where it's assumed the "Queen Bee" wants to destroy said person. 

The other thing that really bugs is that what has been expressed, in each and every "scandal" involving LVP "starting it" the information revealed never truly amounted to much. At the most the "smoking gun" has always been maybe one comment or joke or laugh. Really? She makes a throw away comment and someone stupidly runs with it and usually runs in the wrong direction and LVP is to blame. Even if she did give the impression that she would enjoy a bit of tomfollery at the expense of one of the ladies if someone chose to initiate the charge (knuck, knuck)  why the hell is that the bigger offense?  So LVP laughs at some idea of bad behavior, that isn't some direct order to go and completely destroy another person. If someone else is so pathetically eager to win the approval of another adult that they are running around trying to create damaging stories and accusations about someone else then that says more about the true culprits lack of moral character. Always trying to pin the behaviors of other grown women on LVP has always been a problem for me. 

the woman is almost 10000 years old being juvenile is NOT an excuse act like a fucking adult own your shit.. someone tells you your backhanded jabs bother them you STOP giving them backhanded jabs.. you dont act 12 smile and blame it on being British.. and if she would have just owned up to her shit that didn't amount to anything EVERYONE would have moved on but she doubled down on lying about lying and it grew into something that it never would have if she would have just been her 100000 year old ADULT self and moved on 

[Yours Truly]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

the woman is almost 10000 years old being juvenile is NOT an excuse act like a fucking adult own your shit.. someone tells you your backhanded jabs bother them you STOP giving them backhanded jabs.. you dont act 12 smile and blame it on being British.. and if she would have just owned up to her shit that didn't amount to anything EVERYONE would have moved on but she doubled down on lying about lying and it grew into something that it never would have if she would have just been her 100000 year old ADULT self and moved on 

Own what shit? That she hurts some of their feelings from time to time with her catty humor? The real problem is that they INVENT shit for her to own. They weren't just saying "hey Lisa, your tendency to take jabs and rib us using uncomfortable details about us doesn't sit well with us, tone it down". They never do THAT. Instead, there's some imagined scandal that gets whipped up into this huge conspiracy of damaging events, heinous acts supposedly by LVP. These extreme accusations are pretty offensive towards LVP and then THAT'S what they all come banging on her door trying to get her to admit to and "own".  LVP shouldn't be expected to admit to all these convoluted accounts of what has really transpired. Every time they've done this it's been a mish mosh mess of unclarity and unfounded details. I mean it is completely obvious how they conjure up random details in any given situation time and time again. Forever trying to get her to scream Uncle and give them what they want. Well maybe if they would come to her without all the extra crap and stick with her actual actions and not what they THINK she's might have done then maybe they'll get somewhere. 

LVP is always refusing to cop to the amped up charges they come up with season after season. They've never come to her with a proportioned grievance. It's always got some trumped up charges added on for effect and for a more juicier storyline.  I wouldn't agree to that shit either. Even if there's something that I've done that needs an apology I'm not going to give it to you if you've come armed with a laundry list of other fake accusations to attach to the one apology I owe you. Fuck that. Now you ain't getting any apology if the only way you'll accept it is if I cop to all of your imagined slights as well. Nope, sorry.

[SweetieDarling]

27 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

the woman is almost 10000 years old being juvenile is NOT an excuse act like a fucking adult own your shit.. someone tells you your backhanded jabs bother them you STOP giving them backhanded jabs.. you dont act 12 smile and blame it on being British.. and if she would have just owned up to her shit that didn't amount to anything EVERYONE would have moved on but she doubled down on lying about lying and it grew into something that it never would have if she would have just been her 100000 year old ADULT self and moved on 

Honest question; has Lisa ever used British humor as an excuse? Dorit has (many times), and fans of LVP have in her defense, but I don't remember LVP or Ken using it as an excuse for anything. I may be wrong, it's been 9 seasons...

[Keywestclubkid]

6 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Own what shit? That she hurts some of their feelings from time to time with her catty humor? The real problem is that they INVENT shit for her to own. They weren't just saying "hey Lisa, your tendency to take jabs and rib us using uncomfortable details about us doesn't sit well with us, tone it down". They never do THAT. Instead, there's some imagined scandal that gets whipped up into this huge conspiracy of damaging events, heinous acts supposedly by LVP. These extreme accusations are pretty offensive towards LVP and then THAT'S what they all come banging on her door trying to get her to admit to and "own".  LVP shouldn't be expected to admit to all these convoluted accounts of what has really transpired. Every time they've done this it's been a mish mosh mess of unclarity and unfounded details. I mean it is completely obvious how they conjure up random details in any given situation time and time again. Forever trying to get her to scream Uncle and give them what they want. Well maybe if they would come to her without all the extra crap and stick with her actual actions and not what they THINK she's might have done then maybe they'll get somewhere. 

LVP is always refusing to cop to the amped up charges they come up with season after season. They've never come to her with a proportioned grievance. It's always got some trumped up charges added on for effect and for a more juicier storyline.  I wouldn't agree to that shit either. Even if there's something that I've done that needs an apology I'm not going to give it to you if you've come armed with a laundry list of other fake accusations to attach to the one apology I owe you. Fuck that. Now you ain't getting any apology if the only way you'll accept it is if I cop to all of your imagined slights as well. Nope, sorry.

When someone tells you to stop doing something they don't like to them do you continue to do what they asked you to stop doing? No because you are an ADULT you don't double down and blame it on HUMOR ..its not humor its veiled jabs that are inappropriate and mean and meant to make you feel like shit...kiss the ring darling I don't love you anymore darling if you were my real friend darling they are my real friends i guess you arnt darling ... a 60 something year old woman shouldn't be doing that you are waaaaaay to old to be doing that.... and when someone says stop you stop you don't turn into the victim and cry that they don't get your humor because that's NOT humor you say I'm sorry and wont do it anymore ...... and she was caught in the john teddi lie and was caught on camera (they did flashbacks) of changing i told him then i didn't tell him and I knew then i didn't know ... the woman lied got caught and doubled down again (its what she does) IF she would have just said you know what I did it sorry it would have been dealt with much faster and everyone would have moved on.. by doubling down the nothing turned into something and that's all her fault not the ladies ..... shes 60something not 12 she knows what she does and doesn't care 

[Keywestclubkid]

7 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Honest question; has Lisa ever used British humor as an excuse? Dorit has (many times), and fans of LVP have in her defense, but I don't remember LVP or Ken using it as an excuse for anything. I may be wrong, it's been 9 seasons...

Yes That's just my humor darling she has said it over and over .... no lady its jabs and it gets annoying I have a friend that does the same thing .... it went from being cute to being annoying and when told stop well that's just the way we joke.. no that's the way you joke and if it bothers someone you stop or you stop being around the person ...

[Yours Truly]

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

When someone tells you to stop doing something they don't like to them do you continue to do what they asked you to stop doing? No because you are an ADULT you don't double down and blame it on HUMOR ..its not humor its veiled jabs that are inappropriate and mean and meant to make you feel like shit...kiss the ring darling I don't love you anymore darling if you were my real friend darling they are my real friends i guess you arnt darling ... a 60 something year old woman shouldn't be doing that you are waaaaaay to old to be doing that.... and when someone says stop you stop you don't turn into the victim and cry that they don't get your humor because that's NOT humor you say I'm sorry and wont do it anymore ...... and she was caught in the john teddi lie and was caught on camera (they did flashbacks) of changing i told him then i didn't tell him and I knew then i didn't know ... the woman lied got caught and doubled down again (its what she does) IF she would have just said you know what I did it sorry it would have been dealt with much faster and everyone would have moved on.. by doubling down the nothing turned into something and that's all her fault not the ladies ..... shes 60something not 12 she knows what she does and doesn't care 

nah, there was no caught in a lie with the Teddi John thing. That whole account is sooooooo all over the place. 

Everytime there's this attempted "reckoning" with LVP it's this whole big to do.

That's what I'm criticizing. I'm not saying that LVP doesn't annoy the other women. But that doesn't justify the constant ridiculous witchhunts based on made up stories and convoluted "facts". 

Just sayin'

Edited August 2, 2019 by Yours Truly

[langford peel]

What’s with the ageism? Lisa is not appreciably older than most of the women. The thing is she acts age appropriate. Erika gyrating on a stage or Kyle’s splits or Rinna on her back with her legs spread are pretty grotesque and disgusting. These old bags should give it up. Nobody could find that sexy. When grandma takes out her false teeth you don’t think about getting a blow job.

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, langford peel said:

What’s with the ageism? Lisa is not appreciably older than most of the women. The thing is she acts age appropriate. Erika gyrating on a stage or Kyle’s splits or Rinna on her back with her legs spread are pretty grotesque and disgusting. These old bags should give it up. Nobody could find that sexy. When grandma takes out her false teeth you don’t think about getting a blow job.

its not ageism its being old enough to not blame it on everything else there is no excuse a grown woman would not take responsibility for her actions and words to other people thats what kids do thats what middle schooler's do not what grown adults who run business do ..... its called taking responsibility for you actions not trying to pass it off ... you dont say thats just my humor you stop and say sorry not blame it on them not getting it

Edited August 2, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Seems to me that since the commentary of "taking a lie detector test" was thrown around by her a few times she actually decided to do it. She recorded it on her phone most likely to maybe whip it out at any possible future confrontation with one of the ladies.  I think it was more of a sure, why not, let's do it, kind of a decision. Just to have on her phone, not necessarily meant to broadcast but to have it as a "BAM, now shut up" if it were to be brought up again. I really don't think it was meant to be this huge "official" declaration of innocence. More of a bratty piece of "proof" to dish out if the moment presented itself.

The second test, was productions idea, as well as filming it. LVP agreed.

It was LVP that "threw around" the phrase herself. She even says it to Camille when Camille came over to ask her to come to her wedding. She said what do they want me to do - take a lie detector test? She also said it in her TH shots. Again - question did she say that to Camille because she had just filmed taking the test or did she say it, get rid of Camille and then go?

Kyle brought up the topic after the fact - that her daughter's friends saw the lady with the dog at the Lie Detector Kitchenette.

[BluBrd47]

46 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Honest question; has Lisa ever used British humor as an excuse? Dorit has (many times), and fans of LVP have in her defense, but I don't remember LVP or Ken using it as an excuse for anything. I may be wrong, it's been 9 seasons...

Absolutely.

Regarding her fashion I think there is a difference between being age appropriate and dated. I hate Ramona, Vicki and Lea Black but they always wore age appropriate but modern and tasteful clothing.

Edited August 2, 2019 by BluBrd47

[langford peel]

Camille is all over Twitter today praising LVP. It seems she called Camille to ask how she was doing when none of the the other phony bitches gave two shits. Camille said that LVP is all class and the others are all trash. 

You would think after seeing that reunion that some of them who cried crocodile tears with Camille would have reached out just to touch base. Even if it was phony concern. Especially if it was phony concern. Who are their publicists? I would fire them today.

[Keywestclubkid]

29 minutes ago, langford peel said:

Camille is all over Twitter today praising LVP. It seems she called Camille to ask how she was doing when none of the the other phony bitches gave two shits. Camille said that LVP is all class and the others are all trash. 

You would think after seeing that reunion that some of them who cried crocodile tears with Camille would have reached out just to touch base. Even if it was phony concern. Especially if it was phony concern. Who are their publicists? I would fire them today.

Oh look Camille flip flopped AGAIN .... lol

[Yours Truly]

48 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

It was LVP that "threw around" the phrase herself. She even says it to Camille when Camille came over to ask her to come to her wedding. She said what do they want me to do - take a lie detector test? She also said it in her TH shots. Again - question did she say that to Camille because she had just filmed taking the test or did she say it, get rid of Camille and then go?

Kyle brought up the topic after the fact - that her daughter's friends saw the lady with the dog at the Lie Detector Kitchenette.

Yeah that's what I meant. That LVP says it a couple of different times so decided since she kept mentioning it to actually go through with it.  I don't really think she meant it to be some big affair but I do think she wanted to be able to change her commentary from "what do they want me to do take a lie detector test" into "Look, I even took a lie detector test"...

51 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

its not ageism its being old enough to not blame it on everything else there is no excuse a grown woman would not take responsibility for her actions and words to other people thats what kids do thats what middle schooler's do not what grown adults who run business do ..... its called taking responsibility for you actions not trying to pass it off ... you dont say thats just my humor you stop and say sorry not blame it on them not getting it

I'm still confused about how she's not taking responsibility. What I continuously see Lisa do is not accept the accusations that are being forced on her. Exaggerations, lies and assumptions. I don't believe she should be taking responsibility for those things either. Why should she?

[LibertarianSlut]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Honest question; has Lisa ever used British humor as an excuse? Dorit has (many times), and fans of LVP have in her defense, but I don't remember LVP or Ken using it as an excuse for anything. I may be wrong, it's been 9 seasons...

You know, I thought this was a good question, so I looked it up and...

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/blogs/was-lisa-vanderpump-making-a-joke-or-taking-a-jab

Oh yes.  For anyone who doesn't want to click on the link (I often don't), it is LVP giving a little tutorial on British vs American humor in Dorit's inaugural season, complaining to some guy that "they" don't get her, and when Eileen asks if anyone has seen her husband, LVP says she thinks she's seen Vince "with his head up someone's skirt over there" and then she makes that childish smirky face that was the subject of an entire Sex and the City episode. 

I just don't like the bitch.  Clearly.  I don't like many of the others either.  I don't side with the others completely.  I have just observed her behavior keenly and I have rejected it.  I wouldn't want her in my life.  I don't surround myself with people whom I have to constantly correct.  I either gel with you or I try to be around you as little as possible.  Lisa is someone I would avoid because she acts like she thinks she's superior to people and that everything is a joke.  It's not so much British vs American, it's just that she does insensitive things--to bring it back to the episode at hand--she just walked a llama through Kyle's house season two and they showed a flashback.  That's not really...funny.  Walk a llama through your own damn house and I'll chuckle for a second.

I feel like if Lisa were in my life, I'd turn into a Teddi/Eileen combo and who wants that! That's why I don't like her.  I like to keep things moving and laugh and be light, but when someone's boundaries are so different from mine, I feel like I'd constantly have to interrupt that life to be like, "uh, oh, hey, Lisa?  Can we, like, sit down for a second?  I need to address the fact that you implied by husband was eating another woman's pussy while you walked an outdoor beast over my hardwood floors and it made me feel..."  And she'd bat her false (stolen) eyelashes at me and smile like she has no idea what the fuck I'm talking about when she does.  That's why she was able to be friends with Brandi, and that is fine--they could be rough with each other.  Brandi could flirt outlandishly with Ken, and Lisa could laugh her ass off while telling us how many years it's been since she's had sex with Ken, and if they are laughing together, I guess I'm laughing.  For those of us who aren't as bawdy, though, I feel like being around them would be an energy drain.

Some of us are not confrontational.  Some people--me--don't want to constantly have to call someone on their behavior in the moment, because I often need to take a minute to absorb something, see it from the other person's perspective, figure out if I'm being over sensitive, etc., and sometimes it takes hours for me to say, "ok, item one needs to be addressed in this way and I think I can let item two go."  So I can definitely see a personality who calls things as they see them liking LVP and having little or no problem with her.  For those of us who are more withdrawn, being around her would probably feel like playing chess with Bobby Fisher.  In other words:  exhausting.

That's why I totally feel Erika on the whole "dark cloud has been lifted" thing.  Even though this group argues, I feel like they are more or less on the same page as each other regarding boundaries.  Let's just keep it light and cute and not have to always have to correct each other.  I don't think they went about addressing Lisa's behavior in the best way--it was very fake shishishi Beverly Hills--but I think the idea that five of her six castmates wanted her gone has much more to do with a personality clash than jealousy.  I can't stand her and I am not one iota jealous of her.  

[Jel]

I think it's at least partially cultural differences. 

[Yours Truly]

45 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

You know, I thought this was a good question, so I looked it up and...

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/blogs/was-lisa-vanderpump-making-a-joke-or-taking-a-jab

Oh yes.  For anyone who doesn't want to click on the link (I often don't), it is LVP giving a little tutorial on British vs American humor in Dorit's inaugural season, complaining to some guy that "they" don't get her, and when Eileen asks if anyone has seen her husband, LVP says she thinks she's seen Vince "with his head up someone's skirt over there" and then she makes that childish smirky face that was the subject of an entire Sex and the City episode. 

I just don't like the bitch.  Clearly.  I don't like many of the others either.  I don't side with the others completely.  I have just observed her behavior keenly and I have rejected it.  I wouldn't want her in my life.  I don't surround myself with people whom I have to constantly correct.  I either gel with you or I try to be around you as little as possible.  Lisa is someone I would avoid because she acts like she thinks she's superior to people and that everything is a joke.  It's not so much British vs American, it's just that she does insensitive things--to bring it back to the episode at hand--she just walked a llama through Kyle's house season two and they showed a flashback.  That's not really...funny.  Walk a llama through your own damn house and I'll chuckle for a second.

I feel like if Lisa were in my life, I'd turn into a Teddi/Eileen combo and who wants that! That's why I don't like her.  I like to keep things moving and laugh and be light, but when someone's boundaries are so different from mine, I feel like I'd constantly have to interrupt that life to be like, "uh, oh, hey, Lisa?  Can we, like, sit down for a second?  I need to address the fact that you implied by husband was eating another woman's pussy while you walked an outdoor beast over my hardwood floors and it made me feel..."  And she'd bat her false (stolen) eyelashes at me and smile like she has no idea what the fuck I'm talking about when she does.  That's why she was able to be friends with Brandi, and that is fine--they could be rough with each other.  Brandi could flirt outlandishly with Ken, and Lisa could laugh her ass off while telling us how many years it's been since she's had sex with Ken, and if they are laughing together, I guess I'm laughing.  For those of us who aren't as bawdy, though, I feel like being around them would be an energy drain.

Some of us are not confrontational.  Some people--me--don't want to constantly have to call someone on their behavior in the moment, because I often need to take a minute to absorb something, see it from the other person's perspective, figure out if I'm being over sensitive, etc., and sometimes it takes hours for me to say, "ok, item one needs to be addressed in this way and I think I can let item two go."  So I can definitely see a personality who calls things as they see them liking LVP and having little or no problem with her.  For those of us who are more withdrawn, being around her would probably feel like playing chess with Bobby Fisher.  In other words:  exhausting.

That's why I totally feel Erika on the whole "dark cloud has been lifted" thing.  Even though this group argues, I feel like they are more or less on the same page as each other regarding boundaries.  Let's just keep it light and cute and not have to always have to correct each other.  I don't think they went about addressing Lisa's behavior in the best way--it was very fake shishishi Beverly Hills--but I think the idea that five of her six castmates wanted her gone has much more to do with a personality clash than jealousy.  I can't stand her and I am not one iota jealous of her.  

Agree to the whole post. 

But it's a mature take on how to deal/have people in your life. Kinda reminds me of the whole bruh ha ha with Lu over in NY. 

As grown ups and after a certain stage in our lives we should have learned and accepted that it's all about compatibility and how to include/exclude people in life. I can never understand this need people have to try and change someone's behavior. Now of course in an invested relationship you bring up how you feel and what does and doesn't cross a line but if someone is constantly affecting you to such degrees then the big decisions need to finally be made. You either accept this is who they are, accept the good outweighs the bad, make allowances, keep in moving or adjust what type of relationship you have with that person. If it needs to be a more casual, superficial friendship so be it. Year after year of being completely "devastated" by LVP is just a bit much. 

You said it, you either gel or you don't. As for the working relationship, well we all have to deal with coworkers. That's what adults do and I really don't think that LVP has ever created a situation so aggregious that there were impossible to get through. One thing that I always understood and appreciated about LVP is that she's always made it clear that it's not so much that she holds grudges but that once she feels the trust has been compromised then she treats the friendship differently. She's more guarded and not as intimate which I commend. She's been taken to task about that by Kyle, Brandi, Rinna and I'm like well that's the appropriate way to handle any misgivings within any relationship. She's still managed to be cordial and have a pleasant work experience with them but that for some reason was offensive to them.

She's never hidden her feelings and has usually expressed what it is that's she's being reserved about. When she had her fall out with Brandi and Kyle and even when she was upset with Dorit. It's never been some complicated mystery why she's being distant. I think the true problem that constantly arises is that LVP doesn't conform the way they want her too which I completely understand that some of her behaviors are a bit much to them. I personally think they overreact to almost everything she says and does and jump on every opportunity to try and throw her under the bus but I enjoy LVP and think she's a hoot.

Anyway, I think it's absolutely fine for the women to feel how they feel about LVP's tendencies to be a bit brash and I believe they are entitled to their reactions but what gets me every time is this mentality that LVP should constantly atone for every single word she's ever uttered and that's a drag. Look, at some point you can't keep demanding a person apologize for who they are because you live to take offense to everything that person says. Sooner or later you have to realize it's ridiculous to constantly demand a person change because you aren't jelling with them.  Eventually you have to realize that your needs aren't being met and it's up to you let it go and change up how you interact with said person. 

As much as you've expressed your dislike for LVP at least you made sense, had valid points about how her personality grates and why someone like her is distasteful without throwing out ridiculous exaggerations of behaviors that she HASN'T displayed on the show. She's not your cup of tea and that's all it really boils down to.

She's my cup of tea but she isn't what the other women want her to be and that's something that has always bugged me. Express your dislike, use actual examples and be clear what the issue is but instead they've wrapped up some valid grievances into outlandish accusations year after year instead of just keeping it simple and to the point.  They've also been guilty of bringing the same incident over and over again until they feel she's addressed it sincerely enough and that's BS too. Either accept how she handles things or don't but after the millionth time of her not satisfying your friendship standard it's time to leave well enough alone and relocate where she stands in your friendship line up. You can't force someone to be the type of friend YOU want them to be. They either meet the criteria or they don't. You can't go around trying to mold them into a version your happy with. It doesn't work that way. But they try all the time. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Yours Truly

[chlban]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

its not ageism its being old enough to not blame it on everything else there is no excuse a grown woman would not take responsibility for her actions and words to other people thats what kids do thats what middle schooler's do not what grown adults who run business do ..... its called taking responsibility for you actions not trying to pass it off ... you dont say thats just my humor you stop and say sorry not blame it on them not getting it

You said she was like 100 years old. Sounded like ageism to me.

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

its not ageism its being old enough to not blame it on everything else there is no excuse a grown woman would not take responsibility for her actions and words to other people thats what kids do thats what middle schooler's do not what grown adults who run business do ..... its called taking responsibility for you actions not trying to pass it off ... you dont say thats just my humor you stop and say sorry not blame it on them not getting it

Edited August 2, 2019 by chlban

[Keywestclubkid]

18 minutes ago, chlban said:

You said she was like 100 years old. Sounded like ageism to me.

Because she’s not between the ages of 5-18 you know those years when you learn that actions have consequences and you can’t stomp ur feet and treat people anyway you want and stick out your tongue and lalalalalala deflecting responsibility by blaming it on humor when she knows damn well what she’s doing and doing it on purpose    instead of stopping whatever action you are doing because it bothers the other person. So yes a grown woman especially one that has lived to be in her 60s should act with more maturity 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[BluBrd47]

18 minutes ago, Jel said:

I think it's at least partially cultural differences. 

Then why exactly did LVP think appearing on an American reality show and living in the U.S. would be a good idea? For the record, I have nothing against Brits but Americans, for all their superficial friendliness, tend to be far more direct and blunt. If someone is angry or irritated with us we often do better with being told flat out rather than poked or prodded with humor. We're not the most sophisticated bunch on the planet!

[langford peel]

44 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

So yes a grown woman especially one that has lived to be in her 60s should act with more maturity 

I submit that she did act that way. She stated forthrightly that she did not out Dorito or plant stories. The coven insisted she was lying and had to apologize to them. So she said enough of this nonsense because life is too short to waste your time with the likes of Teddi Mellencamp. She left money on the table and forfeited much of the promotional value of the show for her businesses and charities. That’s what an adult does. You don’t indulge high school drama. You cut bait and walk away.

Edited August 2, 2019 by langford peel

[hoodooznoodooz]

I am still reading this thread. Sorry if you all have already discussed this. But did anyone see Denise’s explanation on WWHL that there was a misunderstanding? Charlie’s other ex-wife, not Denise, causing Camille’s ire? It was kind of confusing. 

[Jel]

39 minutes ago, BluBrd47 said:

Then why exactly did LVP think appearing on an American reality show and living in the U.S. would be a good idea? For the record, I have nothing against Brits but Americans, for all their superficial friendliness, tend to be far more direct and blunt. If someone is angry or irritated with us we often do better with being told flat out rather than poked or prodded with humor. We're not the most sophisticated bunch on the planet!

I think you guys do alright, sophistication-wise. 🙂

Lisa's an immigrant; and like most immigrants, she retains part of the culture she grew up in.  I don't know why she emigrated to the US, or decided to be on an American tv show. But, I also don't think it's reasonable to expect her to be culturally American when she spent so much of her life living elsewhere.  She's just going to be a little different. 

[Keywestclubkid]

Are we making excuses for Lisa being an asshole tho? Would you say oh that’s just so and so that’s just how she is? Seriously if any other housewife snipped and backhanded and constantly jabbed and made snide comments would everyone be like oh that’s ok that’s just them? No they would be draggged. She’s lived in America long enough she knows better. At this point it’s just her being an Asshole and using being “British” as an excuse  

Edited August 2, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[langford peel]

Wait Lisa  Vanderpump is an asshole? Nobody on TV is a bigger asshole than Lisa Rinna. She revels in it. If you lookup asshole in the dictionary her picture is there.

LVP was the victim of a targeted campaign to get her off the show masterminded by Rinna and jumped on quickly by Teddi, Ericka and Kyle. Rinna and Erika wanted her at the very least humbled but more likely driven off. They succeeded because her so called friends Kyle and Dorito signed on. They could have said no Lisa has been too kind to me over the years I will give her the benefit of the doubt. Instead they piled on because they had the added motivation of hiding their own shenanigans which were popping out like the pool confrontation in the Bahamas.

Even the phony sweet Denise turned on her in the end. Now we find out that during the fire Vanderpump Dogs took in eight of Denise’s dogs when other people’s dogs were dumped in kill shelters. Not a word of acknowledgement or thanks from Denise to this very day. That shows you right there what you are dealing with.

These women confused Lisa’s kindness with weakness. She walked away from them and this show that she built. Camille’s house is not the only thing that was burned down this season.

Edited August 2, 2019 by langford peel

[smores]

13 hours ago, Lizzing said:

I watched the first two installments on a regular HD TV and then watched this last one at home in 4K.  My big takeaway was (beyond how much bullshit was unnecessary and filler to make a 3rd hour) was that Kyle really needs to rethink how much highlighter she puts on her temples because that shit got seriously crease-y and was glaringly aging her in 4K.  For all the Botox she uses, she sure missed a spot.  Erika, OTOH, didn't have any of her lines show, so at least Tom got his $$ worth out of that defaulted loan.

Kyle and Teddi both also need to lay off the highlighter that they put on the tip of their noses.  They end up looking like polished doorknobs.  It's typical to put highlighter down the bridge/length of your nose, so the light hits it and then contour down the sides, so it makes your nose look thinner, but the highlighter on the tip making it super shiny really is not a flattering look.  You don't want a disco ball on the center of your face.  

Also I couldn't get past Teddi's super, super smooth hair in the front and then the teased, tangled rat's nest in the back.  People aren't wearing bump-its anymore and you also smooth out the top layer after you tease your hair.  Teddi needs better hair and makeup people.  

7 hours ago, chlban said:

I finally finished part 3. It took me 3 separate attempts, because it was awful. Erika looked pretty and I actually liked Rhinnas wig. Dorit looked like a clown with those ridiculous clips  Denise's face looks odd. Too much botox or surgery not sure, and really don't care. 

Denise's face looked different at the reunion than it did during the season.  Through most of the season, her face looked a bit strange in close up and moved kind of oddly, because she had a lot of filler going on.  It would kind of crumple up when she would talk and she was kind of jowly.  At the reunion, though, it seems like she had a tighter jawline, and things were much smoother.  I don't know if she had a lift, some filler had dissolved, if she was taping things, but it looked a lot better. 

2 hours ago, BluBrd47 said:

Absolutely.

Regarding her fashion I think there is a difference between being age appropriate and dated. I hate Ramona, Vicki and Lea Black but they always wore age appropriate but modern and tasteful clothing.

I will give you Lea Black being age appropriate, but no way on Ramona and Vicki.  Vicki is almost always in something too short and too tight.  Ramona's penchant for macramé is just crazy.  Ramona is better than Vicki, usually, but she's not used to dressing her new boobs and I think probably is at a point where she has to realize that the size of the dress isn't as important as the fit, because there are times where she's wearing something that would look great if it was just 1 size bigger.  She strikes me as the type of person who would be hung up on still being a size x, rather than making sure the fit was the best it could be, regardless of the tag. 

1 hour ago, Jel said:

I think it's at least partially cultural differences. 

I agree.  I don't think you can blanketly excuse anyone's behavior by just saying "Oh, it's just x humor" or "Well, I'm from x and that's the way we are" but, I do think it is fair to give a bit of leeway to LVP for being British.  It's also reasonable to expect that there might be some misunderstanding with the others because she's British, and that both sides would need to take that into account.  LVP needs to consider that something she might say to Ken or to PK might not land the same way if she says it to Kyle or to Erika.  And at the same time, Rinna and Teddi need to consider that when LVP says something, she may not be coming at it from a place of being nasty, she may be joking.  So if it's going over as a joke, then it needs to be clarified, ask her what she means.  And if she sees that someone is a bit upset, explain where you were coming from.

And I'm not saying this to excuse her, I pretty much live this.  I'm a sarcastic person by nature, I come from a very sarcastic, snarky family.  My general nature is to be a brat.  I'm not serious about it, and at times I've had people think I was being serious with things I've said.  It was confusing, because I'm honestly not sure how they could have.  Once I was reprimanded at work for telling a supervisor "No" after they told me to go do something.  It's true that I said it, in fact, when I was told to go do it, I said "No, I don't want to" but, what was left out was that as I was saying it, I was literally going to do what they had asked me to do.  Yet somehow me physically moving to do what they said was missed and all that registered was me saying no.  So I get where LVP is coming from, you can't just brush aside a difference and say, no you have to totally bend to how I am.  The others aren't wrong either in that LVP needs to sometimes consider what she is saying and how she says it.  

Still, though, if we're trying to trash LVP for her British humor, and say that she is the one who has to change, then why are we supposed to accept that Rinna was just kidding with her pill covered cupcakes? Rinna claims it was a joke, LVP knew it was a joke and she ALWAYS jokes about pills.  How is that different than LVP having British humor? If LVP has to change her humor so that the audience (ie, the other women), aren't offended by it, then why is it ok for Rinna to send that to LVP, when she knew that the pills would be a touchy subject for LVP?

And why is it ok for Kyle to constantly poke about her being such a good friend to LVP but LVP not treating her that way? LVP spoke to her about it.  Then Kyle continued on, she carried on over and over and over about how LVP likes Dorit better.  Despite LVP telling her that it wasn't true, she kept saying, you let Dorit do this, you let Dorit dump a dog, etc.  

21 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I am still reading this thread. Sorry if you all have already discussed this. But did anyone see Denise’s explanation on WWHL that there was a misunderstanding? Charlie’s other ex-wife, not Denise, causing Camille’s ire? It was kind of confusing. 

Denise was saying that the person she was referring to as when she said "I could have taken a bigger settlement but I'm not a greedy fucking whore" wasn't Camille.  What she was referencing in that comment was the ex of Charlie's who had been blackmailing him to keep quiet about him being HIV positive.  What is slightly unclear, though, is that she made it sound like it was an ex-wife of his that was blackmailing him and all of the reports say that it was a porn star that saw his medication who was blackmailing him, not Brooke Mueller (the only person who it could be, other than Denise).  

[Jel]

8 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Are we making excuses for Lisa being an asshole tho? Would you say oh that’s just so and so that’s just how she is? Seriously if any other housewife snipped and backhanded and constantly jabbed and made snide comments would everyone be like oh that’s ok that’s just them? No they would be draggged. She’s lived in America long enough she knows better. At this point it’s just her being an Asshole and using being “British” as an excuse  

To an American ear it may sound like assholism. To a British ear, it probably sounds like a typical joke, that one is expected to either volley back or simply laugh off. Lisa often makes jokes at her own expense a lot, too. 

What is asshole-ish behavior in one country is not necessarily asshole-ish in another. It's a big world, and we don't all think and act and joke alike. And you don't even have to like it, but it is what it is.  When she makes a joke like that I don't believe she's doing it to be mean, she's doing it to be clever or cheeky, which is pretty typical for Brits, at least in my experience. I'm just sharing with you what I personally know of it. 

I think Kyle does that jokes-at-another's-expense a lot actually, in THs, and so does Erika, and I have never seen anyone go in on them for it Nothing like what Lisa gets anyway.

PS "She's lived in America long enough she knows better" ? Hmm, you sure you want to stay with that?

[Keywestclubkid]

20 minutes ago, Jel said:

To an American ear it may sound like assholism. To a British ear, it probably sounds like a typical joke, that one is expected to either volley back or simply laugh off. Lisa often makes jokes at her own expense a lot, too. 

What is asshole-ish behavior in one country is not necessarily asshole-ish in another. It's a big world, and we don't all think and act and joke alike. And you don't even have to like it, but it is what it is.  When she makes a joke like that I don't believe she's doing it to be mean, she's doing it to be clever or cheeky, which is pretty typical for Brits, at least in my experience. I'm just sharing with you what I personally know of it. 

I think Kyle does that jokes-at-another's-expense a lot actually, in THs, and so does Erika, and I have never seen anyone go in on them for it Nothing like what Lisa gets anyway.

PS "She's lived in America long enough she knows better" ? Hmm, you sure you want to stay with that?

When every person in the group tells you you’re being an asshole by “joking” like that and you keep doing it you are an asshole. It doesn’t matter where your from. It just shows you don’t care that to them it’s hurting their feelings or making them feel any kind of way because you don’t care. when you can stop the behavior but don’t and even defend it like the other persons feelings don’t matter. The minute you know your behavior is effecting someone negatively and you choose to defend it and not correct it YOU are the problem 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Jel]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

When every person in the group tells you your being an asshole by “joking” like that and you keep doing it you are an asshole does t matter where your from. 

Conveniently, the "every person in the group" just happens to be that collection of individuals -- the ones with an ax to grind.

Does my "not an asshole" or anyone else's "not an asshole" count for anything? Or is it just Kyle and co. who get to decide for all of us?

Is Lisa being an asshole to herself when she makes jokes about herself?

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

You know, I thought this was a good question, so I looked it up and...

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/blogs/was-lisa-vanderpump-making-a-joke-or-taking-a-jab

Oh yes.  For anyone who doesn't want to click on the link (I often don't), it is LVP giving a little tutorial on British vs American humor in Dorit's inaugural season, complaining to some guy that "they" don't get her, and when Eileen asks if anyone has seen her husband, LVP says she thinks she's seen Vince "with his head up someone's skirt over there" and then she makes that childish smirky face that was the subject of an entire Sex and the City episode. 

I just don't like the bitch.  Clearly.  I don't like many of the others either.  I don't side with the others completely.  I have just observed her behavior keenly and I have rejected it.  I wouldn't want her in my life.  I don't surround myself with people whom I have to constantly correct.  I either gel with you or I try to be around you as little as possible.  Lisa is someone I would avoid because she acts like she thinks she's superior to people and that everything is a joke.  It's not so much British vs American, it's just that she does insensitive things--to bring it back to the episode at hand--she just walked a llama through Kyle's house season two and they showed a flashback.  That's not really...funny.  Walk a llama through your own damn house and I'll chuckle for a second.

I feel like if Lisa were in my life, I'd turn into a Teddi/Eileen combo and who wants that! That's why I don't like her.  I like to keep things moving and laugh and be light, but when someone's boundaries are so different from mine, I feel like I'd constantly have to interrupt that life to be like, "uh, oh, hey, Lisa?  Can we, like, sit down for a second?  I need to address the fact that you implied by husband was eating another woman's pussy while you walked an outdoor beast over my hardwood floors and it made me feel..."  And she'd bat her false (stolen) eyelashes at me and smile like she has no idea what the fuck I'm talking about when she does.  That's why she was able to be friends with Brandi, and that is fine--they could be rough with each other.  Brandi could flirt outlandishly with Ken, and Lisa could laugh her ass off while telling us how many years it's been since she's had sex with Ken, and if they are laughing together, I guess I'm laughing.  For those of us who aren't as bawdy, though, I feel like being around them would be an energy drain.

Some of us are not confrontational.  Some people--me--don't want to constantly have to call someone on their behavior in the moment, because I often need to take a minute to absorb something, see it from the other person's perspective, figure out if I'm being over sensitive, etc., and sometimes it takes hours for me to say, "ok, item one needs to be addressed in this way and I think I can let item two go."  So I can definitely see a personality who calls things as they see them liking LVP and having little or no problem with her.  For those of us who are more withdrawn, being around her would probably feel like playing chess with Bobby Fisher.  In other words:  exhausting.

That's why I totally feel Erika on the whole "dark cloud has been lifted" thing.  Even though this group argues, I feel like they are more or less on the same page as each other regarding boundaries.  Let's just keep it light and cute and not have to always have to correct each other.  I don't think they went about addressing Lisa's behavior in the best way--it was very fake shishishi Beverly Hills--but I think the idea that five of her six castmates wanted her gone has much more to do with a personality clash than jealousy.  I can't stand her and I am not one iota jealous of her.  

I like LVP on the show, but I totally love this post. My friends and I can be sarcastic, but there are certain lines we do not cross. We would never joke about someone’s husband or boyfriend having his head up someone’s skirt. I fail to see the humor in that or see how it’s because of cultural differences. We also don’t make fun of anything that could embarrass someone or truly hurt feelings (looks, hygiene, mistakes we already feel bad about). I get teased for being vegetarian, my love of housewives, nothing that’s going to make me cry. You shouldn’t feel like your friends are going to go after your marriage or humiliate you in front of anyone. 

I think LVP is great TV. I’m not sure what she’s like to be around off camera. She’s said she gets snarky and is honest because otherwise the show would be boring. A lot of the time, she is very nice and fun loving imo. I don’t personally see her as a dark cloud. She could be a lot more laidback and nice if she’s not trying to be funny or create story for RH. Now if she throws digs around constantly and is meaner off camera the way some TV personalities are, I get not wanting to get close to someone like her because I’m not a confrontational person myself. Some people almost seem to enjoy arguments. I definitely don’t and very rarely argue with friends. If someone unintentionally hurts my feelings, most of the time I just let it go. If someone is repeatedly mean and I feel like I could be thrown under the bus, we are no longer friends. Who wants to constantly be like “what you said hurt my feelings” or “could you not joke like that in front of my child?” I’d just rather not bother. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some jealousy just because these women refused to give LVP the benefit of the doubt. She was guilty until proven innocent, then still not innocent in their minds. I found the group to be harsh with her during such a difficult time in her life, but I do think jealousy is a card that gets thrown around way too often. The other women have plenty going for themselves. I definitely think a personality clash is part of it. Erika in particular is so different from LVP. Teasing isn’t her thing at all. You could tell she wasn’t amused by Kyle teasing her either.