S09.E20: Un Petit Hangover

[Mindthinkr]

32 minutes ago, MaggieG said:

Dorit's reunion look with all of the pins and barrettes in her hair gives me a headache. That has to hurt, especially since it looks like her hair was pulled in a really tight ponytail.

TBH she just didn’t want to seem too fashion forward with her aluminum foil hat. You understand, so she can channel the aliens who whisper in her ear that she looks gorgeous dahling. 

[Starlight925]

Does anyone know who this "friend" of Camille's is, the one to whom P.K. supposedly owes >$1,000,000?

[Mindthinkr]

She also wears a gold look when she needs to talk directly to the Gods. 

[MatildaMoody]

6 hours ago, Dutchgirl said:

These are all Camille's claims. She also claimed to save many other people "I'm like Jesus". Kelsey was rich, famous and successful long before their "blind date". 

Despite his addictions due to multiple tragedies, he won a scholarship to Julliard (1973), got a role on Cheers (1984), and was offered the Cheers spinoff Frasier (1993) where he made $1.6 million per episode at its peak. He married Camille in 1997. 

Actually, these are claims that Kelsey made when they were still married. 

[langford peel]

22 minutes ago, Sterling said:

Does anyone know who this "friend" of Camille's is, the one to whom P.K. supposedly owes >$1,000,000?

The Bellagio Hotel. Or specifically the owners of the hotel. In fact this week Dorit’s fund were garnished from a legal action. I don’t know if it was this legal action or one of the many other lawsuits and judgements against the puppy dumping grifters.

[Starlight925]

26 minutes ago, langford peel said:

The Bellagio Hotel. Or specifically the owners of the hotel. In fact this week Dorit’s fund were garnished from a legal action. I don’t know if it was this legal action or one of the many other lawsuits and judgements against the puppy dumping grifters.

Interesting!

Sorry, duplicate post (see my post below).

Edited June 27, 2019 by Sterling

[BluBrd47]

Just now, Sterling said:

Interesting.  OK, I just googled this.

Why would PeeKay have owed money to "The Bellagio"?  Or its owners?  Gambling?  What else would he have had to do with them?

That is my best guess?? I love the Bellagio. What a bummer that PigK frequented it. 

[Starlight925]

3 minutes ago, BluBrd47 said:

That is my best guess?? I love the Bellagio. What a bummer that PigK frequented it. 

I just googled it.  Sorry if this posts twice:

Here's an article from OK Magazine, take it for what it's worth:

https://okmagazine.com/photos/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-husband-pk-owns-bellagio-debt/

$1.7 of a $3.6 million casino marker.

Wow, dude is a serious gambler.

Wondering if he suddenly had to leave before dinner as he was tipped off that this was going to get brought up.  Why else would he have left a dinner honoring his wife, when other husbands went?

Edited June 27, 2019 by Sterling

[langford peel]

8 minutes ago, Sterling said:

Wondering if he suddenly had to leave before dinner as he was tipped off that this was going to get brought up.  Why else would he have left a dinner honoring his wife, when other husbands went?

He had a bet on the NCAA tournament and he had to watch the game.

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, dosodog said:

Is it really living if your in Provence, France, on vacation, that someone else is paying for and not eat a croissant or chocolate?

 

I undestand dietary concerns (upon being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, lifestyle changes were made and now successfully keep my numbers out of diabetes range).

But vacation! In France!  Home of the croissant and dessert!  I'm not talking store bought cake.  I'm talking international cuisine.  Totally eating every carb that looks delicious. 

And then I'll walk the grounds.  Or the stairs in the mansion.  

 

For the record, if we are ever all on vacation, I'm sure KungFuBunny and I will be more than happy to eat your cake.  Pass it on over!  In exchange you can have all my Brussels sprouts.

 

lo

I don't know if I'll walk the grounds or stairs in the mansion. My exercise will be being pushed down the Hill de Chateau and stretching the elastic at the waist of my leggings.

I will be more than happy to give up my carrots and leafy greens.

After day one, I am willing to have the patio table moved to my room so that the staff has a convenient place to set up the next batch of goodies. Just call me Altruistic.

I really like Erika, but there is the outside chance we'd have to take her down if there isn't enough desert.

Doso - I'm bringing rectangular Tupperware - gonna need to know how many are coming. We'll use them for breakfast, lunch, dinner, desert, snacks instead of plates. This way if any drama goes down with the HW, we can just pull back and still watch/eat like Waldorf and Statler.

[RealHousewife]

6 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't know if I'll walk the grounds or stairs in the mansion. My exercise will be being pushed down the Hill de Chateau and stretching the elastic at the waist of my leggings.

I will be more than happy to give up my carrots and leafy greens.

After day one, I am willing to have the patio table moved to my room so that the staff has a convenient place to set up the next batch of goodies. Just call me Altruistic.

I really like Erika, but there is the outside chance we'd have to take her down if there isn't enough desert.

Doso - I'm bringing rectangular Tupperware - gonna need to know how many are coming. We'll use them for breakfast, lunch, dinner, desert, snacks instead of plates. This way if any drama goes down with the HW, we can just pull back and still watch/eat like Waldorf and Statler.

As Denise would say “just keep eating.” 🙂

I especially love the part about taking Erika down. 😂

[Natalie68]

6 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

God, fucking Teddi with her confusion. I will admit I don’t much care to police the behavior of others so can a self professed  control freak explain the use of confusion when you mean annoyance? I have a work friend (self proclaimed control freak) who does that. She’s always confused when she disagrees with someone. 🙄

I’m a long time Kyle hater so I might not be the best judge, but is she worse this season? Meaner and even more self involved? I did not buy her apology to Erica at all. My impression was she actually thought she was in the right and a only apologizing because she was a little drunk when she said it so her delivery may have been off. Which, no. You were shitfaced, had no point, and acting like a disgusting bully. At least Teddi seemed truly ashamed of herself even if she thought it was still all Erica’s fault for “confusing” her.

”Just keep eating” is my new life motto.

I think Kyle is worse this year.  Maybe the stress of Mauricio's lawsuit is wearing on her.  Her expressions while drunk in Provence showed me who she was.  All eye rolly combined with her smirks shows me that she really wants everyone who she feels is a threat gone.  First it was LVP, next perhaps Erika and Camille.  She is not bothered by Teddi like she wasn't bothered by Taylor because she has more $ and friends (at least on the show) than they do.  As well as more connections.  I sorta hope Mauricio is found guilty and they have to pay a shit ton in fines.  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

5 hours ago, chlban said:

I am joining you in the minority. #teamcamille

I agree I love Camille's shade. Is she vicious shady? Maybe but Camille shady is WAY over and above:

LVP gone

Kyle emotionally stunted teenager

Rinna anorexic boring shit stirrer

Erika, ok so I don't hate her

Dorito the Grifter

Teddi on the boring moral high ground

well Denise, I love, Just keep eating. 

[Natalie68]

4 hours ago, dosodog said:

Is it really living if your in Provence, France, on vacation, that someone else is paying for and not eat a croissant or chocolate?

 

I undestand dietary concerns (upon being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, lifestyle changes were made and now successfully keep my numbers out of diabetes range).

But vacation! In France!  Home of the croissant and dessert!  I'm not talking store bought cake.  I'm talking international cuisine.  Totally eating every carb that looks delicious. 

And then I'll walk the grounds.  Or the stairs in the mansion.  

 

For the record, if we are ever all on vacation, I'm sure KungFuBunny and I will be more than happy to eat your cake.  Pass it on over!  In exchange you can have all my Brussels sprouts.

 

lo

RIGHT??!!!  I watch what I eat and have a sweet tooth.  I will only partake if I absolutely love something.  I am headed to Poland in a month and I am salivating at all the pastries I am going to have.  And then I will be walking all over the place so I don't outgrow my clothes in those 2 weeks :).  

[outofbounds]

I don’t hate or like Camille one way or the other.

But I will say this. She is absolutely telling the truth about PK and if Dorit was smart she’d start digging. Camille handled the take down with calm and ease, the kind of calm that people have when they know can bring receipts. And all these women know she’s telling the truth. Because you’ll notice NONE of them accused her of lying, other than Dorit. And that’s all Dorit could say in response. Then Dorit defaulted, yet again, to the other women defending her. Which tells me Dorit knows there’s a kernel of truth.

Camille is shrewd and I have to give her respect for it. Because she was attacked by every woman at that table except Denise and Erika and she didn’t back down a single iota. 

I absolutely enjoyed it being that Dorit routinely plays the victim, is not careful with people and consistently dodges responsibility for anything she does. Everyone gets their comeuppance. Welcome to  Dorit’s.

Don’t poke the bear if you don’t want the attack. It’s a simple warning.

[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

I think Kyle is worse this year.  Maybe the stress of Mauricio's lawsuit is wearing on her.  Her expressions while drunk in Provence showed me who she was.  All eye rolly combined with her smirks shows me that she really wants everyone who she feels is a threat gone.  First it was LVP, next perhaps Erika and Camille.  She is not bothered by Teddi like she wasn't bothered by Taylor because she has more $ and friends (at least on the show) than they do.  As well as more connections.  I sorta hope Mauricio is found guilty and they have to pay a shit ton in fines.  

I don't think Kyle is worse. Kyle's inner cliquey bitch flag flies when she has a bestie. She did this when she had Kim in her corner and they went in to attack Brandi. She did this with Faye when she went at Camille. She did this when she had Taylor and the petty bitchy remarks were aimed at LVP about her being "jelly". It started a bit with Dorit, but then they turned on each other fighting for LVP's approval. Now that she and Teddi are close it's the same.

I'm not sure if I'm explaining it properly but she and (insert current cohort) will make comments to make another feel ostracized, their teasing comments have a bite and meanness to them.

Kyle is also very vain. Kyle was never bestie cliquey with LVP because she considers LVP too old. She looks to LVP more like an aunty or grandma, and doesn't consider her to be a peer.

[langford peel]

Camille grew up in a hard school that most of these pampered bitches don’t have any idea about......except maybe Erika or Denise. Both of whom had little to say except that they should change the subject.

[KungFuBunny]

I like Erika, but this Instagram post gave me the giggles

[LibertarianSlut]

1 hour ago, outofbounds said:

Camille...is absolutely telling the truth about PK and if Dorit was smart she’d start digging. Camille handled the take down with calm and ease, the kind of calm that people have when they know can bring receipts. 

In that case, Dorit may want to go back to season seven and reflect:

[Chit Chat]

8 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Regarding having the croissants and chocolate in order to be polite, to be quite honest, it’s a balance between trying not to hurt people’s feelings and being healthy.

There's a difference between going on a trip like this where you have a private chef and you know that you will have a lot of food presented to you and being at work where junk food is brought in.   Seems like the ladies didn't even notice the pastries at the outdoor table.  Just a simple nod to the fact that someone created something so beautiful would've been nice.  Maybe a bite or two, then wrap it up and take it to your room and dispose of it if you didn't want the rest of it.  At least then the chef would think that you liked it!  I do stuff like that at work if something homemade is brought in and I really don't want it.  I'll take a bite of it when the other ladies have left the kitchen, then I can at least say that the dessert was delicious.  They don't have to know that I only ate a bite of it!  I can walk away from doughnuts (although I love them), but if it's something homemade, then I at least try it and show my appreciation to whomever made it.   YMMV.

[ParadoxLost]

8 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

No one has to be shaking in their boots, the only reason any of these would have to be worried about Camille throwing them under the bus would be because they made the grave mistake of pushing the envelope when they have no real reason to. Wanna mess with someone? Then don't be surprised if your skeletons get pulled out for public display. I guess they just didn't think that Camille had ammo? Or maybe they didn't think she would go that far since it does seem like there is plenty of info swirling about these circles so its not new info?

{snip}

I give her credit for trying to trend lightly all these seasons she's only made appearances. She was at least actively trying to restrict the temptation to show her ass and made strategic moves to not get fully engulfed in the shameful antics that manage to be portrayed season after season. She wasn't as successful this time around but I sure am here for it! LOL. 

Camille hasn't revealed that she has any ammo that others don't.  There is nothing specific so far that doesn't come up in a google search.  They just got way too secure that everyone was playing by the rules of not bringing up the taboo topics.  They got too secure in who divorced Camille was and expected her to back off from confrontation.  They expected to be able to just slam her from all sides at dinner.  Instead they got reintroduced to married Camille.

I don't know what they expected.  They raised three issues and Camille stayed on those topics.  Too bad, so sad that one of the topics they raised was one that they didn't want to get into.  The flashback points to Camille having reservations about Dorit;s financial issues more so than her drunken behavior last year.  Maybe Rinna should have shared that with Dorit.  I'm not sure Dorit would have gone there with Camille had she known that was the topic Camille was raising behind her back.  Both Kyle and Dorit said Rinna hadn't shared what Camille said.  Its possible Rinna lit this match on purpose.

I don't know how much credit I give Camille for restraint outside of her last season as a full blown house wife when she was in a custody battle.  She was not really a significant player as a "friend of".  I think this season was a perfect storm.  Since Camille had a lot going on and they pushed LvP out, they needed Camille to fill in for filming and a lot of the events were Camille's.  Since the rest of the clique was united to oust LvP, that left Camille as a potential target because she was not in the inner circle.

But again, I don't know what else she was supposed other than just take it.  She didn't respond in a 100% perfect way because she left enough room for them to claim she went below the belt and let Dorit play the victim again.  But who really knows how to react 100% perfectly except in hindsight. 

7 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I also wonder if Rinna will corroborate Camille's story, since she was the one who was with Dorit when Dorit was being chased around the pool. 

She won't unless forced into it (and Denise was with her too).  Rinna is going to be aligned with not bringing the husbands or lawsuits in it because now, as opposed to prior seasons, too many of her allies have the same skeletons. 

I presume its never going to come up because it happened during filming.  Andy would have to bring it up.  Because outside of it not being filmed and the HWs refusing to be filmed discussing it the producers decided to cut it.

I am going to watch Camille's portion of the reunion because I'm curious if outrage over what Camille says over the last episodes or fear of what Camille might say at the reunion will win out.  

[Sweet-tea]

Quote

. I guess because I've been picked on for my physical appearance what Camille said really struck a nerve with me.

I watched the episode but must have missed something. Whose appearance was Camille criticizing? 

[Dutchgirl]

7 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

She also wears a gold look when she needs to talk directly to the Gods. 

Looked like the golden goose took a shat on her head

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, ChitChat said:

There's a difference between going on a trip like this where you have a private chef and you know that you will have a lot of food presented to you and being at work where junk food is brought in.   Seems like the ladies didn't even notice the pastries at the outdoor table.  Just a simple nod to the fact that someone created something so beautiful would've been nice.  Maybe a bite or two, then wrap it up and take it to your room and dispose of it if you didn't want the rest of it.  At least then the chef would think that you liked it!  I do stuff like that at work if something homemade is brought in and I really don't want it.  I'll take a bite of it when the other ladies have left the kitchen, then I can at least say that the dessert was delicious.  They don't have to know that I only ate a bite of it!  I can walk away from doughnuts (although I love them), but if it's something homemade, then I at least try it and show my appreciation to whomever made it.   YMMV.

Yes, that is different. I eat a vegan diet for the most part, but even that I will try not too be too strict about if I'm out traveling and in someone's home, just because I don't want to be difficult or hurt their feelings. (I still don't ever eat meat, but if something was made with a little dairy or eggs but is still vegetarian, I will eat if that's all that's at the table.) Being nice also sometimes resulted in repeatedly being given some of the same foods I didn't want to keep eating on trips. 😂 

The vegan excuse gets me out of a lot of things at work, but not everything. If something's vegan, I'll usually grab a bite, and luckily the veggie stuff tends to be healthier. If you're not vegan though, my experience, it is awfully tricky being healthy if you have a fair amount of family/friends/coworkers who love to cook and bake. Always something delicious that's hard to resist, and even harder when you feel it's only polite to have a bite, or two 😉. And believe me, there are some people who want appreciation for being generous and thoughtful enough to bring treats in, homemade or not. I've had doughnuts in order not to hurt people's feelings many times.

Edited June 28, 2019 by RealHousewife

[BluBrd47]

2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I watched the episode but must have missed something. Whose appearance was Camille criticizing? 

I was referring to another episode when Camille made cracks about Lisa’s teeth. I understand that people are differentiating between Camille as a person and the Camille who brought the drama for the viewers this episode, but I just can’t. 

[RealHousewife]

8 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

She also wears a gold look when she needs to talk directly to the Gods. 

I just noticed Dorit kind of looks like Rinna here.

[langford peel]

She looks like she is about to be banged by Flash Gordon.

Edited June 28, 2019 by langford peel

[smores]

On 6/26/2019 at 3:53 PM, LibertarianSlut said:

I would also think you likely have made your pictures available digitally, had photos of all of your valuables, as well as receipts, so that they could be re-purchased, if available.  I guess it would suck if you found a rare item in China, but there are actually people who will shop abroad and buy rare shit, so maybe you could get something even better from them.  

The things that would be the hardest for me (and I imagine for most people), aren't the things that would be replaceable by insurance.  It's the random item that was owned by a relative, something a parent gave me, something a sibling gave me.  A few years ago I moved and because it was for my husband's job, we had a relocation package that included movers coming to pack and move our things.  After we were settled in our new place, we emptied the boxes and I realized that I couldn't find three things.  Two of them were like, eh, whatever, it's annoying, but I can replace them.  The third, though, was something a set of coasters that a sibling had bought for me on a school trip years ago.  I'd had them forever and I was heartbroken that they were gone.  Thankfully, they later turned up in the bottom of a box that had been labeled with stuff from another room in our previous home.  But if you had asked me what stuff I would grab if I had 30 minutes to evacuate my home before this, they aren't something I ever would have thought of.  And there are probably more of those things, none of them are terribly expensive, they're just invaluable to me. 

On 6/26/2019 at 4:22 PM, BluBrd47 said:

I loathe Teddi but I disagree with this. I’ve never seen Teddi say something she hasn’t said to one of the womens’ faces. If anything she should be less confrontational.

I don't think Teddi does directly confront people with her own feelings.  She does a lot of the "I'm confused, why are you saying this?" Rather than just laying out what she means to say and being direct.  She also didn't just go directly to LVP and say I think you told them to have me out Dorit with this, why did you put me in this position.  She went to Kyle and showed her the texts.  She went to Dorit and the others.  Then she sent Kyle to tell LVP that they all knew it was her. 

14 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

 I like the post upthread which suggested bringing it up to your room.  But then what are you going to do with it?  What if the staff sees it in the garbage?  Can you possibly flush desserts down the toilet?  Stow them in your handbag and toss them later?  Hashtag first world problems, lol!

14 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I would never want the staff to think I did not enjoy the food especially a breakfast like that.  I would discreetly speak to the manager and explain that we needed a simpler breakfast in the politest way possible.  I hate to think about all those eggs the chef prepared just getting thrown away.  Maybe the production crew ate them, or at least I hope so.  Personally, I love breakfast food, but rarely have an appetite when I wake up.  

I somehow deleted the space between the post above, so what you do with the food you bring back is toss it off your balcony onto the balcony of one of the other women in the château so it makes it look like they are nasty pigs who hide food.  

I don't understand why Kyle didn't give better directions with regards to the food in this case.  If you arrange for a chef, wouldn't you think you'd have to give some sort of preferences, like you do on Below Deck? They would be able to let them know that this is pretty much what they will eat for breakfast so they aren't putting out huge platters of food that just gets wasted.  

13 hours ago, BluBrd47 said:

I see your point. I have a thing for macarons to the point of obsession and if I ever get to France I’m going for broke, waistline be damned. I don’t dig Erika much but I like her more when she chows down on vacation!!

I was in France last year and made it a point to have macarons every day.  They are worth it!

5 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

I think she's worse this season.  I liked Kyle for the most part, but she is showing a side that I've not recognized before.  Anyway, she has that little puppet, Teddi, of whom LVP was trying so hard to recruit, and she will go along with whatever Kyle thinks.  It's automatically two against one in the group.  I didn't buy her apology to Erika either.  She still had a shitty little gleam in her eye, and she isn't through with Erika yet.  I dislike Teddi to the maximum, but I think her apology was sincere too, although I'm betting she remembers more than she would ever admit to. 

I think this is one of those things that depend on how you've seen Kyle in the past.  Personally, I've always thought that she was fairly two-faced and haven't liked the way she came across all the time.  Other people, however, have viewed her as very genuine and a great friend, etc.  For someone like me, I just see this as Kyle being Kyle and she may be shown as herself more this season now that she can't whine about how LVP is manipulating things anymore, but nothing I'm seeing is all that different from what I've seen from her in the past.  But for people who have previously viewed Kyle as a great and loyal friend, well, I can see how this would seem like she's gone downhill.  

[IDreamofJoaquin]

Camille is so tacky.   You never bring up finances in front of anyone else.  She did that to humiliate Dorit.  On the other hand I want to know more about the finances and why they rent and what billion dollar company did he build up?

Also, Camille acts so high and mighty and this season has shown what she has done to get her money. She had to use a strap on and stick her fingers up mens assholes to keep them happy. She is just an older version of Lala Kent. 

[Psycho Suzy]

To each their own, but I don't understand why so many find Denise to be 'trashy" and "stupid." I think she's sweet, compassionate, funny, charming, and much classier than any of the other so-called ladies. She didn't whine about what her family lost in the fire, but kept trying to find the silver lining. She's the only person I would love to go out and get a beer with. 

I thought it was awful when Camille was making fun of LVP's teeth. I tweeted her, and got my first individual private tweet return from someone famous(?). She said she both privately apologized to Lisa, as well as publicly. She said I was right, it was a horrible thing to do and say, especially to a friend, and that she felt terrible. She warned Lisa it might be shown on the episode of her engagement luncheon. She said she'd had too much too drink and got carried away, but wasn't going to use that to excuse her behavior. It sounded sincere to me. I don't much care for Camille, but she was being ganged up on, and fought back. And I'm glad the attempted puppy murderer is going to have to answer some questions. I'll never understand how she became the victim in that. The puppy was the only victim. 

[BloggerAloud]

13 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

In that case, Dorit may want to go back to season seven and reflect:

I honestly had forgotten about this moment which makes Lisa Rinna's "You don't go after the husbands" talking head seem even more hypocritical. I think the only people off limits are children (except if they are a Brielle from RHOA who is now an adult and engages in mess with them).

[bosawks]

I wouldn't mess with Camille with a ten foot pole, safely ensconced in a shark cage.

That woman scares me.

If Rinna smashed a wine glass at Camille she'd just pick up a shard and stab her in the jugular.

Love her on my tv though, love ya Camille!

Edited June 28, 2019 by bosawks

[RealHousewife]

4 hours ago, Psycho Suzy said:

To each their own, but I don't understand why so many find Denise to be 'trashy" and "stupid." I think she's sweet, compassionate, funny, charming, and much classier than any of the other so-called ladies. She didn't whine about what her family lost in the fire, but kept trying to find the silver lining. She's the only person I would love to go out and get a beer with. 

I thought it was awful when Camille was making fun of LVP's teeth. I tweeted her, and got my first individual private tweet return from someone famous(?). She said she both privately apologized to Lisa, as well as publicly. She said I was right, it was a horrible thing to do and say, especially to a friend, and that she felt terrible. She warned Lisa it might be shown on the episode of her engagement luncheon. She said she'd had too much too drink and got carried away, but wasn't going to use that to excuse her behavior. It sounded sincere to me. I don't much care for Camille, but she was being ganged up on, and fought back. And I'm glad the attempted puppy murderer is going to have to answer some questions. I'll never understand how she became the victim in that. The puppy was the only victim. 

Denise talks a little too much penis and sex for some of our taste, but I still agree with you. She’s been my favorite this year. I think she’s very kindhearted. 

Interesting about Camille! She seemed sincerely sorry, but then she was mean girl again with Dorit imo. I didn’t think anything the others said or did warranted Camille going in on Dorit like that. I’m one of the few who generally likes Dorit. There are times she’s had a tone with the ladies, and I know she should have been more careful with Lucy. But like LVP, I really don’t think Dorit ever thought the dog would wind up in a shelter. 

[Nicmar]

On 6/27/2019 at 12:48 AM, RHofOZ said:

Go Camille.  

So it’s ok for these bitches to tell Camille how she should feel about LVP not attending her Bridal Shower or Wedding.  But don’t you dare tell Erika how to feel about Rinna going after Kim dressed as EJ.  What a bunch of hypocrites.

i really can’t stand Rinna.  The real Lisa Rinna is the one we saw smashing her glass & going after Kim in the flashback.  Everyone back then thought it was great because nobody liked Kim.  As Camille said, Rinna is the real mean girl.  The others better watch out!

We also saw LVP defend Dorit when Rinna attached her in Hong Kong.  Do these cows have any loyalty whatsoever?

Rinna had a smug look on her face when Kyle was half assed apologizing to Erika.  

[Nicmar]

13 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Yes, that is different. I eat a vegan diet for the most part, but even that I will try not too be too strict about if I'm out traveling and in someone's home, just because I don't want to be difficult or hurt their feelings. (I still don't ever eat meat, but if something was made with a little dairy or eggs but is still vegetarian, I will eat if that's all that's at the table.) Being nice also sometimes resulted in repeatedly being given some of the same foods I didn't want to keep eating on trips. 😂 

The vegan excuse gets me out of a lot of things at work, but not everything. If something's vegan, I'll usually grab a bite, and luckily the veggie stuff tends to be healthier. If you're not vegan though, my experience, it is awfully tricky being healthy if you have a fair amount of family/friends/coworkers who love to cook and bake. Always something delicious that's hard to resist, and even harder when you feel it's only polite to have a bite, or two 😉. And believe me, there are some people who want appreciation for being generous and thoughtful enough to bring treats in, homemade or not. I've had doughnuts in order not to hurt people's feelings many times.

I eat a vegan diet as well. But i work in transplant clinic and we have drug reps coming in @ least 2 to 4 days a week bringing lunch with dessert. I can't be on a diet working here.😒

[Avaleigh]

On 6/26/2019 at 8:46 AM, Dutchgirl said:

I'm still kind of fuming at this episode. I resent the Dorit and PK pile on because of their financial issues, as though they are somehow less worthy of being within such an "elite group". Fuck off. I'm not a huge Dorit fan but none of these other bitches invented penicillin. All of them are on this show because they've done some shitty tv work, married someone who did shitty tv work and/or sold something and got lucky. 

Camille was a hooker who married a man in a sitcom. Not exactly a blue blood/Mayflower pedigree. 

Kyle's single mom pimped out her daughters to pay her bills. Kim was the breadwinner and likely the victim of sexual abuse, now she's chemically dependent and destitute, and her sister outs her on tv? Nice. Kathy is a billionaire, meanwhile Kim was caught shoplifting while homeless. Nice family. Salt of the earth.

Kyle's husband made a living off his in-laws then swiped clients and staff to build "The Agency". Talk about grifters...

Teddi's dad John Cougar Mellencamp was a teen dad, alcoholic/drug addict loser who miraculously made a hit record 30+ years ago. Teddi was fat. Her husband installs security systems. 

Denise: C-list actress who married Charlie Sheen. 

Erika: Thirsty waitress who married a lonely old lawyer.

Lisa: Failed model, turned sporadic soap opera actress, turned failed shop owner, now sells polyester clothes on QVC. Her claim to fame is her b-list husband who now spends a lot of time enjoying the US exchange rate in Canada and making pies that his anorexic wife and daughters won't eat. 

They're all grifters as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not seeing a Dorit and PK pile on wrt what's happening on the show. Camille was honest about what she's heard and why she's had reservations about her relationship with Dorit. She has every right to be cautious because alarm bells have been ringing on those two from the first season Dorit was on the show. Even if Camille is a hooker/hustler turned rich woman (and I don't know that I would exactly phrase it that way) is it fair to say that it takes one to know one? Maybe Camille has a sense of what Dorit is about because she knows the game. True or not, I don't think it's unreasonable for Camille to want to make sure that people are seeking friendships with her for the right reasons now that she has enough money to no longer be in "hooker" territory.

All of this being said, I'm not necessarily of the opinion that Dorit and PK are beneath the others nor do I argue that their financial issues make them less worthy of being in the group. I don't want them on the show because Dorit is annoying as fuck. 

Dorit never gets piled on with these women. She's always protected and molly coddled by the other ladies and treated like she's some extra special victim. These women are bending over backwards to secure and maintain her friendship and for the life of me I can't understand why. She's pretentious, vulgar and shallow. She offers nothing to the show apart from annoying bullshit and that's why I want her gone. 

As for the claims that the other women are all grifters, I don't necessarily agree but to me, the question is more who in the group best represents/represented the lifestyle of a housewife of Beverly Hills.

Camille fits to me because she has the lifestyle and receipts. She was married to a notable actor (who has done a lot more than sitcoms if we're being fair), has attended many high profile events, has the real estate porn and the connections where it makes sense that producers thought she'd be a good fit. Add in the bitchy Jesus complex and that sounds like a recipe that works for this sort of reality TV show.

I disagree that the choices Kim Richards has made over the years since this show has been on are a reflection of Kyle (or Kathy). That being said both Kathy and Kyle have gone out of their way to financially and emotionally support Kim. I always feel the need to address the misconception that Kim has been used and abused by her family because it simply isn't true. 

As for Mauricio branching out on his own instead of staying with Hilton and Hyland--I don't see those as the actions of a grifter. Mauricio strikes me as someone who has worked hard for years and the work he's put in has paid off. 

I'm not sure how Teddi's weight is relevant. Every wealthy person in Beverly Hills and the LA area needs a security system so that actually seems like a point in their favor. That being said, I still want Teddi off of the show lol. These women are too "confusing" for her.

Denise may be a C-list actress but at least she can back up the lifestyle and seems to be a much nicer person than Dorit. I would also argue that Denise has made more professional accomplishments than Dorit has. Remember what a big deal Dorit thought it was just to be on the cover of Bella magazine? (And how insufferable she was during the shoot?) Think how many magazine covers Denise has been on over the years and I'm not even talking about the tabloids. Add in that Denise seems like she's nicer to animals--yes, Denise just might be the one in this group who is "above" Dorit IMHO. As for the claim that Denise is a grifter--if she were a true grifter then she would have taken Charlie for half of his money when she had the opportunity. That isn't the kind of person she is.

Fair enough that Erika seems to have married Tom for his money but she's clearly in it for the long haul and at least respects him. Their arrangement seems to work for them. Since this sort of arrangement is fairly common in LA it makes sense that we'd see at least one represented on the show. Erika also has her music gigs so she's offering more than Dorit is.

I won't call Rinna a grifter exactly because I don't think that she (or her husband) does anything illegal but I do see her as someone who is desperate for fame, attention and money and will do just about anything to hustle her way to try head of the pack. I've grown tired of her and wouldn't mind if she got kicked off of the show. That being said, she too has more professional accomplishments than Dorit. Also, I'll take watching Harry Hamlin on this show over watching PK any day of the week. 

Dorit wishes that she could have even a quarter of what Lisa and Ken have earned over the years. Villa Rosa will be very missed. Dorit's half empty rental can't even begin to compare.

I don't think Dorit has anything over on any of these women and in some areas she can't even begin to compete. The only thing I like about her are her scenes with her children. I fully admit that they're among the cutest little kids I've ever seen and seem so happy that their parents must be doing something right. Still, the adorable kids aren't enough of a reason to kee her on the show. Yet somehow I know she'll survive.

[TVFANNO1]

21 hours ago, Sterling said:

I just googled it.  Sorry if this posts twice:

Here's an article from OK Magazine, take it for what it's worth:

https://okmagazine.com/photos/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-dorit-kemsley-husband-pk-owns-bellagio-debt/

$1.7 of a $3.6 million casino marker.

Wow, dude is a serious gambler.

Wondering if he suddenly had to leave before dinner as he was tipped off that this was going to get brought up.  Why else would he have left a dinner honoring his wife, when other husbands went?

Good point - I never thought of that.

[Persnickety1]

Well, welcome back, Camille.  We all knew you were hiding in there underneath of that great PR work a few seasons ago.  

Camille appeared to be the only one of these women who didn't take a knife to a gunfight.  She opened up fire with the quickness, guns a' blazin.'  

It kind of reminded me of Kenya Moore's old opening line, "Don't come for me unless I call you."  

I'm not sure if someone tipped her off about what was planned for that dinner or if she's just very intuitive.  

Either way, I was delighted to see her flip the script on them.  I don't think I've ever seen housewives bolt from a dinner so quickly before.  

This reunion should be glorious.  

[LibertarianSlut]

11 hours ago, smores said:

The things that would be the hardest for me (and I imagine for most people), aren't the things that would be replaceable by insurance... if I had 30 minutes to evacuate my home before this, they aren't something I ever would have thought of. 

so what you do with the food you bring back is toss it off your balcony onto the balcony of one of the other women in the château so it makes it look like they are nasty pigs who hide food.  

<I snipped for space> First, I'm sorry you had to go through that with your stuff.  I guess the point I was trying to make with my original post was that someone with a considerable amount of wealth, and not just a person with means, but a person who can afford to maintain several properties, like Camille, can stave off the material effects of a natural disaster to a large degree, especially if they choose to live in an area that is predisposed to natural disasters.  

Camille has the time and resources to hire someone to help her catalogue all of her stuff and manage a plan that would allow her to access it all in a few minutes.  She wouldn't have to start haphazardly grabbing shit like some of us (I mentioned digitizing the pictures, because my mom always used to say that if our house went on fire, the first thing she would grab is the pictures, and I think it's awesome that we don't have to worry about that anymore).  Maybe rotate what you keep on display and keep the rest in a water/fire proof place.  I don't know exactly what is most effective, but I know that it's great to be able to have money to mitigate damage.  Again, I hope I don't come off sounding bitter or sarcastic.  I actually think it's wonderful.  And, of course, you can't mitigate loss 100%.  It sucks that you're always going to lose something, no matter how well you plan.

As far as throwing the French pastry off the balcony as a last-ditch effort--love!  Lol

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, Nicmar said:

I eat a vegan diet as well. But i work in transplant clinic and we have drug reps coming in @ least 2 to 4 days a week bringing lunch with dessert. I can't be on a diet working here.😒

Bless your heart. I know how hard it is to resist temptation. It’s one of the reasons even taking things out of politeness can be so hard. If something is on my table or in my room, far greater chance of being eaten than if I just say no thank you. 

[Natalie68]

47 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

<I snipped for space> First, I'm sorry you had to go through that with your stuff.  I guess the point I was trying to make with my original post was that someone with a considerable amount of wealth, and not just a person with means, but a person who can afford to maintain several properties, like Camille, can stave off the material effects of a natural disaster to a large degree, especially if they choose to live in an area that is predisposed to natural disasters.  

Camille has the time and resources to hire someone to help her catalogue all of her stuff and manage a plan that would allow her to access it all in a few minutes.  She wouldn't have to start haphazardly grabbing shit like some of us (I mentioned digitizing the pictures, because my mom always used to say that if our house went on fire, the first thing she would grab is the pictures, and I think it's awesome that we don't have to worry about that anymore).  Maybe rotate what you keep on display and keep the rest in a water/fire proof place.  I don't know exactly what is most effective, but I know that it's great to be able to have money to mitigate damage.  Again, I hope I don't come off sounding bitter or sarcastic.  I actually think it's wonderful.  And, of course, you can't mitigate loss 100%.  It sucks that you're always going to lose something, no matter how well you plan.

As far as throwing the French pastry off the balcony as a last-ditch effort--love!  Lol

Word of advice to anyone re evacuations.  Keep all your items that you want to take with you in a handy spot.  Keep your papers together.  Don't make it so you have to hunt it down in the house.  Once they give you orders to go you have nearly no time.  

I feel badly for anyone who loses their things/home to a natural disaster.  Camille was handling it fairly well.  Luckily Denise had nothing burn but getting that stink out of your items is not fun nor is cleaning up ash.  Looking forward to the reunion.  

[Ohiopirate02]

Rewatching this episode,  and I need Erica's cat blouse. 

[Rubyslippahz]

12 hours ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

Camille is so tacky.   You never bring up finances in front of anyone else.  She did that to humiliate Dorit.  On the other hand I want to know more about the finances and why they rent and what billion dollar company did he build up?

Also, Camille acts so high and mighty and this season has shown what she has done to get her money. She had to use a strap on and stick her fingers up mens assholes to keep them happy. She is just an older version of Lala Kent. 

After this episode I was inspired to google Paul Kemsley and his Wikipedia entry is quite interesting, as far as his financial history in England.  Not knowing any of this before I was wondering why this guy who per the show seems to do little but manage the career of Boy George can be some kind of mogul.  He did operate some kind of hedge fundy/property empire and was a vice chairman of the Tottenham Spurs football club.  My eyes glazed over at some point but it sounds like it was all valued to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds and kind of fell apart, as recounted on the show, 2008-ish during the recession.  At any rate he was considered a portrait of success enough in the UK that he was featured regularly on the UK version of The Apprentice back in the day. 

Nothing Camille revealed is all that shocking, dude has had debt and lawsuits coming out his ears for quite some time, but Camille is clearly making her bid for glory by bringing it up and I'm sure she'll be a full time cast member next season.  

And I agree with you, it's interesting what a lady of the manor Camille acts like, scoffing at goodhearted and low key Denise about renting - as if Denise is trash for renting her house.  Camille is a sharp-elbowed hustler that wasn't going to let anyone shove her out of the way on that Club MTV platform in the early 90s, dancing in her spandex bike shorts/garters combo.  Alright nothing wrong with that but the idea she is some grand lady of Beverly Hills, arbiter of who can afford what and who is living above their means, is a joke.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Rubyslippahz

[langford peel]

Camille Is smart enough and combative enough to not let them do to her what they did to LVP. That is to basically execute a gang up to protect innocent little Dorit who none of them really like but who was a means to an end.

Dorit sits there with an open mouthed popeyed lock of astonishment in her blowup doll imitation if any of her many crimes are brought to the table. First it was the puppy dumping and now it was millions she defaulted on to a friend of Camille. The other members of the pack leap to her defense and savage their designated target.  If their hands were clean. Lisa had enough of this bullshit. She had been the subject of gang ups before and she decided life is too short. As she said she could get along just fine in her life if she never heard of Teddi Mellencamp again. As could we all.

Camille has said she knows that she is the next one in their sights and she is not having it. By bringing up Dorits sleazy history of judgements and lawsuits she is sending a shot across the bows of the others. Notice how Erika and Kyle had very little to say. I only hope that Camille goes in guns blazing and takes them all down.

Edited June 28, 2019 by langford peel

[Ohiopirate02]

31 minutes ago, langford peel said:

Camille Is smart enough and combative enough to not let them do to her what they did to LVP. That is to basically execute a gang up to protect innocent little Dorit who none of them really like but who was a means to an end.

Dorit sits there with an open mouthed popeyed lock of astonishment in her blowup doll imitation if any of her many crimes are brought to the table. First it was the puppy dumping and now it was millions she defaulted on to a friend of Camille. The other members of the pack leap to her defense and savage their designated target.  If their hands were clean. Lisa had enough of this bullshit. She had been the subject of gang ups before and she decided life is too short. As she said she could get along just fine in her life if she never heard of Teddi Mellencamp again. As could we all.

Camille has said she knows that she is the next one in their sights and she is not having it. By bringing up Dorits sleazy history of judgements and lawsuits she is sending a shot across the bows of the others. Notice how Erika and Kyle had very little to say. I only hope that Camille goes in guns blazing and takes them all down.

I rewatched this episode,  and it was obvious that the women planned this dinner with Rinna as the ringleader.  Everyone was in on it even Denise.  They were way too articulate with their complaints about Camille and each had their talking point.  I don't think that Denise was 100% on board though.  She did ask the other ladies to back off Camille on more than one occasion. 

Someone must have tipped Camille off.  I wonder if it was Denise.  Either that or Camille has one of the best bullshit detectors I have ever seen. She saw through what the ladies were trying to do with just their words, and knew how to react accordingly.   It was a masterful performance.

[MatildaMoody]

22 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I rewatched this episode,  and it was obvious that the women planned this dinner with Rinna as the ringleader.  Everyone was in on it even Denise.  They were way too articulate with their complaints about Camille and each had their talking point.  I don't think that Denise was 100% on board though.  She did ask the other ladies to back off Camille on more than one occasion. 

Someone must have tipped Camille off.  I wonder if it was Denise.  Either that or Camille has one of the best bullshit detectors I have ever seen. She saw through what the ladies were trying to do with just their words, and knew how to react accordingly.   It was a masterful performance.

I think it's hilarious that Camille was able to see exactly what was going on. I loved her "Don't come for me unless I sent for you" attitude. Because let's be honest, these women were gleeful at the opportunity to tear into Camille when they thought they would have her trapped in a foreign country. They couldn't even wait until dessert before they stopped pretending empathy and went on the attack. And say what you want about Camille, but she has always been good at sizing people up and knowing what they are about. She did it with Kyle, Taylor, Brandi, and more recently, Teddi, Dorit, and now Rinna. I mean this woman survived cancer an abusive relationship, and a humiliating divorce from Kelsey Grammar. Kyle really should have warned Teddi not to try it with Camille, if she considers her such a good friend. But, Kyle has her own stuff to keep secret - so she wasn't going to rock that boat. 

[politichick]

5 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

<I snipped for space> First, I'm sorry you had to go through that with your stuff.  I guess the point I was trying to make with my original post was that someone with a considerable amount of wealth, and not just a person with means, but a person who can afford to maintain several properties, like Camille, can stave off the material effects of a natural disaster to a large degree, especially if they choose to live in an area that is predisposed to natural disasters.  

Camille has the time and resources to hire someone to help her catalogue all of her stuff and manage a plan that would allow her to access it all in a few minutes.  She wouldn't have to start haphazardly grabbing shit like some of us (I mentioned digitizing the pictures, because my mom always used to say that if our house went on fire, the first thing she would grab is the pictures, and I think it's awesome that we don't have to worry about that anymore).  Maybe rotate what you keep on display and keep the rest in a water/fire proof place.  I don't know exactly what is most effective, but I know that it's great to be able to have money to mitigate damage.  Again, I hope I don't come off sounding bitter or sarcastic.  I actually think it's wonderful.  And, of course, you can't mitigate loss 100%.  It sucks that you're always going to lose something, no matter how well you plan.

As far as throwing the French pastry off the balcony as a last-ditch effort--love!  Lol

I say gather up the irreplaceable and sentimental stuff every year around wildfire time. It happens annually and strikes kind of randomly, so be prepared.

3 hours ago, Rubyslippahz said:

And I agree with you, it's interesting what a lady of the manor Camille acts like, scoffing at goodhearted and low key Denise about renting - as if Denise is trash for renting her house.  Camille is a sharp-elbowed hustler that wasn't going to let anyone shove her out of the way on that Club MTV platform in the early 90s, dancing in her spandex bike shorts/garters combo.  Alright nothing wrong with that but the idea she is some grand lady of Beverly Hills, arbiter of who can afford what and who is living above their means, is a joke.

The thing is, by all accounts, she and Kelsey would have been renters if she hadn't stepped up and gotten him on the straight and narrow financially by making extremely good investments that she scouted and helped manage and starting a production company. He was apparently a financial mess due to his addictions. She did not try to help perpetrate a fraud, like dear Dorit. and instead helped him build a fucking fortune. Didn't she also buy the Hawaii house with some of that divorce settlement?

I think Camille is well aware of her humble beginnings and has a Scarlett O'Hara never again mentality that she put into action and benefits Kelsey, herself, their kids and his new wife and family.

I also don't think that Camille thinks Denise is trash for renting her home, Her house, which she bought and curated with her bitter divorce settlement, and was filled with things and memories that she cherished, burned to the fucking ground. Denise is dealing with soot and shit that smells like soot. Big difference. She can move and leave it to the landlord to deal with while Camille has to rebuild or start over on another lot.

[Chit Chat]

22 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

If you're not vegan though, my experience, it is awfully tricky being healthy if you have a fair amount of family/friends/coworkers who love to cook and bake. Always something delicious that's hard to resist, and even harder when you feel it's only polite to have a bite, or two.

I have a new co-worker who has decided to being in bags of assorted chocolates to keep in a goody drawer.  That is my weakness, but luckily since it's not something homemade, I thank her for her kindness and then steer clear of that drawer!  It's a test of will power every damn day.  Nobody believes in bringing a fruit tray!  

I do understand that people have limitations with their diets, but since none of the ladies has stated that they can't have certain things for health or personal reasons, I'm always disappointed when they pass up something yummy, but will down multiple mixed drinks like those have no calories!  I'm not saying that they have to be pigs at the trough when it comes to desserts, but it's nice to see Erika have a few here and there and not act like a cupcake is going to kill her.   

[Rosebud1970]

On 6/25/2019 at 6:41 PM, FlyingEgret said:

Wait... the big reveal was just for the Howives???  I thought getting the Kitson window was such a huge deal that press would be there...

Kitson was a big deal...25 years ago. Like everything Dorit hypes, having a window at Kitson is all show and no go.

No one goes there, other than tourists. And local wannabes. I'm looking at your broke ass, Dorit.

[pasdetrois]

Panicked faces around the table and murmurings to leave the husbands out of it, as several of the other husbands have their own problems.

I wondered if Denise was pregnant, as her face was fuller and she was wearing clothes that hid her mid-section. Guess we would know by now.