Season 21 Live Feed Discussion

[watch2much]

can you imagine if watchers had a drinking game and had to take a shot every time someone says "love you"?  they all say it so much it has no meaning behind it whatsoever.

[Cutty]

This is just a miscalculation from Jackson and Holly. They think they're the duo playing the middle when that's actually Cliff and Nicole's position. Just a terrible read on things.

Ultimately I'm good with it because I don't want Jackson to win the game and I'd laugh for hours if Christie sends him home during the DE. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Cutty

[peachmangosteen]

35 minutes ago, Cutty said:

Ultimately I'm good with it because I don't want Jackson to win the game and I'd laugh for hours if Christie sends him home during the DE. 

I think we all really need to work on manifesting Christie winning DE HOH and getting Jackson evicted. Actually, for the lols, it'd be far better if Tommy was the one to do it but honestly I don't even trust that he would. So, Christie it is then.

I also need Jess to win veto so that we can see Jackson put up Nicole instead of Tommy. And honestly then hopefully Jackson decides to evict Nicole just to really drive home how dumb he is. And also to put me out of my misery of watching Nicole absolutely suck in every possible way. It's just sad.

[Lady Calypso]

14 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I also need Jess to win veto so that we can see Jackson put up Nicole instead of Tommy. And honestly then hopefully Jackson decides to evict Nicole just to really drive home how dumb he is. And also to put me out of my misery of watching Nicole absolutely suck in every possible way. It's just sad.

I think Jackson is going to put up Cliff, since Cliff....to absolutely nobody's surprise....volunteered to go up if he needed to.

[Nashville]

56 minutes ago, watch2much said:

can you imagine if watchers had a drinking game and had to take a shot every time someone says "love you"?

Well... if I did that, I doubt they’d give me another liver....

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  they all say it so much it has no meaning behind it whatsoever.

No argument there.  ILY should mean more than common courtesy - or at the very least, it should be UNcommon.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Nashville
Typo

[Dmarie019]

11 hours ago, Katesus7 said:

Nicole was legit devastated she didn’t win. Sorry, but I’m not going to slag her for losing that. She hung on with everything she had. I NEVER thought that was her comp and she did so much better than I thought she would.

I read on twitter after the comp last night that Nicole slipped and fell on her back the day before so even though she did great, she may have been able to do better if that hadn't happened. 

[Melina22]

So many people are so down on Cliff right now, and apart from those people who just don't like him personally, I can't figure out why. He's getting near the end, he hasn't been on the block for a while, people in jury mostly like him. What is it he's supposed to be doing that would make him more acceptable? 

Odds are, if he'd made the big move everyone was clamoring for earlier, he'd be gone now. Meanwhile, Jessica made a huge move on her HOH and everyone still thinks she's useless and ineffectual. Yet, like Cliff, she's still hanging in there. 

I'm on board with those who have no strong feelings about anyone at this point, but who would be okay with whoever wins, because... why not? If they're there at the end, and get all the votes, they "deserve" to win, even if I don't find them entertaining or charismatic. Or even if I do. 

[Dmarie019]

11 minutes ago, Melina22 said:

So many people are so down on Cliff right now, and apart from those people who just don't like him personally, I can't figure out why. He's getting near the end, he hasn't been on the block for a while, people in jury mostly like him. What is it he's supposed to be doing that would make him more acceptable? 

Odds are, if he'd made the big move everyone was clamoring for earlier, he'd be gone now. Meanwhile, Jessica made a huge move on her HOH and everyone still thinks she's useless and ineffectual. Yet, like Cliff, she's still hanging in there. 

I'm on board with those who have no strong feelings about anyone at this point, but who would be okay with whoever wins, because... why not? If they're there at the end, and get all the votes, they "deserve" to win, even if I don't find them entertaining or charismatic. Or even if I do. 

I agree - it's very hard for the oldest person in the house to get as far as he has.  Even if he's the 'easy' out, he's doing something right to keep him in the game. And all 3 of them... they're laying low enough to where they aren't a threat. Maybe not Jess if she's the 'target' this week.  But not really sure you can call that a target... a sitting duck maybe?

[tinkerbell]

2 hours ago, watch2much said:

can you imagine if watchers had a drinking game and had to take a shot every time someone says "love you"?  they all say it so much it has no meaning behind it whatsoever.

It's a step above the way Jack used to say, "I love and respect you as a person,  BUT......"

[ByaNose]

Poor Jessica. Like all the other times in the house when she wasn’t told anything. She won’t know she’s the target until she’s walking out the door on Thursday. That said, it would be funny if it was Jackson who was evicted right after her in the DE. 

[Brian Cronin]

3 hours ago, Cutty said:

This is just a miscalculation from Jackson and Holly. They think they're the duo playing the middle when that's actually Cliff and Nicole's position. Just a terrible read on things.

Ultimately I'm good with it because I don't want Jackson to win the game and I'd laugh for hours if Christie sends him home during the DE. 

It's a stunning miscalculation. Not only that, but as I noted earlier, if he really isn't worried about Tommy/doesn't want to nominate Tommy because he trusts him, then why the fuck didn't he throw HoH to him then? His own subconscious knows that he's a moron!

[vb68]

1 hour ago, Melina22 said:

So many people are so down on Cliff right now, and apart from those people who just don't like him personally, I can't figure out why. He's getting near the end, he hasn't been on the block for a while, people in jury mostly like him. What is it he's supposed to be doing that would make him more acceptable? 

Yeah, I think it's mostly because he goes along to get along. He kisses the butt of every HOH, which for three weeks has been Jackson/Holly.  He's been the classic definition of a floater even with this final four deal. But I agree, it was the best option for him and he has played it well.

When it comes down to it, if any of Christie, Tommy, or Jackson leave on his watch, I'm sure he'll get raves for it. 

[Brian Cronin]

Cliff's problem was that he gave up the chance to have the numbers in the house. Jess's move still put her in the minority, because by that point, they wouldn't have the numbers no matter what, because Cliff capitulated to Christie. So while it was nice for her to take a shot at Jack/Jackson, it ultimately didn't change numbers.

And all of this has also depended on Christie blowing up her own dominant alliance TWICE for no reason. Cliff, Jessica and Nicole are still in the house not because of their own moves, but because Christie decided to go to war when she could have been plucking off the Jessicas of the world for WEEKS more. Had Christie not evicted Cliff for no good reason, his HoH would have been hers to control. 

That's also the only reason I hesitate when I talk about giving Christie a lot of credit as a winner, because she's only in the position where she has to talk her way out of trouble impressively because of her TERRIBLE game play in the middle of the game where she blew up her alliance twice for no reason and blindsided Cliff right before a competition where he had a 25% chance of returning right to the game!

Applauding Cliff for "staying in the game" is like applauding Victoria for lasting to Final Three in BB16 or Jerry in BB10 or Spencer in BB15. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Brian Cronin
Typo was bugging me.

[vb68]

13 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

It's a stunning miscalculation. Not only that, but as I noted earlier, if he really isn't worried about Tommy/doesn't want to nominate Tommy because he trusts him, then why the fuck didn't he throw HoH to him then?

Thinking about this. There's no question Jackson wants to outright win.  I wouldn't be surprised if he wants Tommy to take out Holly for him closer to the end.  I don't know. That's incredibly risky and probably not smart at all. But it's all I got.

Edited August 30, 2019 by vb68

[Brian Cronin]

3 minutes ago, vb68 said:

Thinking about this. There's no question Jackson wants to outright win.  I wouldn't be surprised if he wants Tommy to take out Holly for him closer to the end.  I don't know. That's incredibly risky and probably not smart at all. But it's all I got.

Maybe it's that moronically cocky, "I'll just win Veto if I'm nominated" attitude?

[Ellee]

Instead of calling Holly/Jackson "Jolly" , is it ok if I call them 'Hoax'?

🙄

ETA:  Just saw some suggestions at jokers.

Beth/Michie = Bichie

Michie/Beth = MicBeth

ETAA:  I kind of like Bichie 😁

Edited August 30, 2019 by Ellee

[iMonrey]

I just don't see an outcome where Jackson isn't the winner of this season. I've felt that way for weeks now. I have zero hope in the DE next week. 

[Dmarie019]

Have holly/jackson ever talked about being F2? 

[Brian Cronin]

3 minutes ago, Dmarie019 said:

Have holly/jackson ever talked about being F2? 

I don't think so, bizarrely enough. I think she has really never planned on taking him, so she didn't want to get into it (remember, she had Kat in the house as her Final 2 from the start). She talked about a Final THREE with him, I believe, but that's it. 

[TimWil]

Nick further exposed himself for the fake piece of shit he is when he listened to Tommy’s message. After saying he felt “betrayed” by Tommy you’d think he would just shake his head when Tommy appeared. But nope, he smiled and seemed to love Tommy again, just because Tommy said he’d fallen in love with Nick. To use a term my Brit pals like to use-Nick is a total knob.

[vb68]

14 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

I don't think so, bizarrely enough. I think she has really never planned on taking him, so she didn't want to get into it (remember, she had Kat in the house as her Final 2 from the start). She talked about a Final THREE with him, I believe, but that's it. 

That's probably why Holly is less than thrilled that he's targeting  Jess. I can see Holly wanting her, Jess, and Nicole in the F3. Because, DUH. she's absolutely GOLDEN in that scenario. Christie could be more of a wildcard, though I still think Holly could beat her.

[zoltana]

58 minutes ago, Brian Cronin said:

Cliff's problem was that he gave up the chance to have the numbers in the house. Jess's move still put her in the minority, because by that point, they wouldn't have the numbers no matter what, because Cliff capitulated to Christie. So while it was nice for her to take a shot at Jack/Jackson, it ultimately didn't change numbers.

And all of this has also depended on Christie blowing up her own dominant alliance TWICE for no reason. Cliff, Jessica and Nicole are still in the house not because of their own moves, but because Christie decided to go to war when she could have been plucking off the Jessicas of the world for WEEKS more. Had Christie not evicted Cliff for no good reason, his HoH would have been hers to control. 

That's also the only reason I hesitate when I talk about giving Christie a lot of credit as a winner, because she's only in the position where she has to talk her way out of trouble impressively because of her TERRIBLE game play in the middle of the game where she blew up her alliance twice for no reason and blindsided Cliff right before a competition where he had a 25% chance of returning right to the game!

Applauding Cliff for "staying in the game" is like applauding Victoria for lasting to Final Three in BB16 or Jerry in BB10 or Spencer in BB15. 

I see what you're saying and you're probably right.  My thought with Cliff though is that an older player always seems to come into the house with a target on their back simply because of their age.  I get the impression sometimes that Cliff is capitulating to whatever the head of household says because it's a way to stay out of their focus and give them an impression that he's their puppet.  It makes me think of dealing with little kids.  You build them up by letting them think they're leading the way while they're playing games but when it comes down to the end of the day you're actually the one controlling the actions and telling them when play time is over.  Maybe he's just waiting for that time of day.  This isn't a great analogy, but hopefully it makes sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   

[Brian Cronin]

If the goal is just to hang around, then sure. Like Kevin in BB19. Just say yes to everything they say and they'll often keep you around as a possible GOAT. But then likely cut you before the final three because you're TOO likable. That's where Cliff is. The dude apparently quit his job for this, so hey, maybe he seriously DOES need that Jury money, so good for him, I guess. 

It's just not a winning strategy at all (same with Kevin in BB19). 

But yes, if "make the jury and hang around" is your definition of a win, then Cliff's plans have been a winner so far.

[Sketcher]

39 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I just don't see an outcome where Jackson isn't the winner of this season. I've felt that way for weeks now. I have zero hope in the DE next week. 

I think that this is correct because I think Jackson has keyed into something in the other 4 that will protect him and it is their reluctance to openly break an agreement. 

Every single person in there knows Jackson needs to go up and out, much the same way they realize the same thing about Tommy. But every single person is hoping SOMEONE ELSE does that for them. As such, no one is really willing to win the power that will require that they act. 

So I think Holly and Jackson ARE in a pretty good place going into the double eviction. By "protecting" the other two pairs, Jackson is grooming them to fear putting him or Holly up. It is even more true in the DE scenario where Christie won't have time to work on Tommy and where Cliff and Nicole will panic about Jackson winning veto.

Honestly, I expect both pairs to throw it to Holly if possible, because both couples feel safe and they don't want enemies. Holly will just put up Christie and Tommy, claiming that Christie is her target while hoping Nicole and Cliff take the shot at Tommy. If he goes, she'll just be so sad.🙄😉

Jackson's instincts are pretty good when he's in control. I see him coasting to an easy win.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, vb68 said:

Thinking about this. There's no question Jackson wants to outright win.  I wouldn't be surprised if he wants Tommy to take out Holly for him closer to the end.  I don't know. That's incredibly risky and probably not smart at all. But it's all I got.

Purely MHO, but I think it has more to do with the following:

18 minutes ago, vb68 said:

That's probably why Holly is less than thrilled that he's targeting  Jess.

Here’s what I’m reading:

1. While Jackson does see Christie as a significant problem, I think Jackson sees Jessica as the direst and most direct threat to his game - and not without basis.  Jackson’s game to date was most jeopardized when Jessica put him OTB next to Jack, and she still sent the person Jackson perceived at the time to be his primary ally out the FD. 
2. I see Jackson’s stubborn refusal to target Tommy yet (or Cliff, to a lesser degree) as directly related to Jessica’s continued presence and perceived threat; simply put, Jackson wants to keep both other males in the game as (for lack of a better term) dickshield diversions.  With Tommy and Cliff remaining in the game, Jessica doesn’t home in on Jackson as the sole primary obstacle to a penis-free Finale.

 I suspect Jackson is going to have a not-insignificant degree of tunnel vision until he deals with the perceived threat posed by Jessica - or she deals with him - or somebody else saps Jackson while he overfocuses on Jessica.

[missyb]

Jackson cracking up. Not just Jackson, I am laughing out loud.

Edited August 30, 2019 by missyb

[Alice Mudgarden]

8 minutes ago, missyb said:

Jackson cracking up. Not just Jackson, I am laughing out loud.

I CAN'T STOP WATCHING IT.

[Brian Cronin]

Man, that invisible guy who came up and stabbed her before she fell was really sneaky, huh?

Dang, Jessica, that is some weird shit right there. 

[Ellee]

35 minutes ago, missyb said:

Jackson cracking up. Not just Jackson, I am laughing out loud.

Did you see the Clayton Baker (I think) post a couple more down?  It's Jess falling from another angle.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Ellee

[Otherkate]

59 minutes ago, missyb said:

Jackson cracking up. Not just Jackson, I am laughing out loud.

OMG, this is amazing.

[Dance4Life]

2 hours ago, Ellee said:

Instead of calling Holly/Jackson "Jolly" , is it ok if I call them 'Hoax'?

🙄

ETA:  Just saw some suggestions at jokers.

Beth/Michie = Bichie

Michie/Beth = MicBeth

ETAA:  I kind of like Bichie 😁

HyJack!

They  literally hijacked the HOH room.

If Holly is HOH next week.......🙌🏻🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Cutty]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I just don't see an outcome where Jackson isn't the winner of this season. I've felt that way for weeks now. I have zero hope in the DE next week. 

As dumb as this move targeting Jess is the odds are still in his favor of surviving the double. Only Christie would outright target him. Cliff/Nicole would put up Tommy/Christie, and Tommy wouldn't target Jackson because, well, it's Tommy. 

We all need to manifest a Christie HOH. 

[Growsonwalls]

It's a bad move for Jackson to take out Jess but on the other hand it's kind of deserved for Jess as she's managed to do nothing but piss away allies with an alarming speed since jury began. She lost Kat, but instead of rebuilding bridges she's burned Nicole and Cliff more and more with her hostile behavior. She's attached at the hip to a girl (Christie) who doesn't give a crap about her. She's made it known that she wants all the guys to go. I have no idea how she went from the inoffensive house mama to someone most of the house hates but she's done it. So ... this sort of actively bad gameplay does get you evicted. It was just a matter of time.

[Cutty]

1 minute ago, Growsonwalls said:

It's a bad move for Jackson to take out Jess but on the other hand it's kind of deserved for Jess as she's managed to do nothing but piss away allies with an alarming speed since jury began. She lost Kat, but instead of rebuilding bridges she's burned Nicole and Cliff more and more with her hostile behavior. She's attached at the hip to a girl (Christie) who doesn't give a crap about her. She's made it known that she wants all the guys to go. I have no idea how she went from the inoffensive house mama to someone most of the house hates but she's done it. So ... this sort of actively bad gameplay does get you evicted. It was just a matter of time.

It's why I don't feel bad when she cries that no one includes her in alliances and that she feels left out. There's a reason for that, and it's her own damn fault.

[Tuxcat]

When Nick told Nicole about Tommy's promise to Christie, they seemed surprised. Nicole said "there's something more there." Considering how much they all talk about their "ride or dies" why was this surprising to them? I know Tommy would "I support you 1000 percent" to Nick but everyone has known Tommy was loyal to Christie for a long time. I don't get the shock. It's not rocket science to see they have an F2 agreement.

[Booklady1017]

3 hours ago, Sketcher said:

I think that this is correct because I think Jackson has keyed into something in the other 4 that will protect him and it is their reluctance to openly break an agreement. 

Every single person in there knows Jackson needs to go up and out, much the same way they realize the same thing about Tommy. But every single person is hoping SOMEONE ELSE does that for them. As such, no one is really willing to win the power that will require that they act. 

So I think Holly and Jackson ARE in a pretty good place going into the double eviction. By "protecting" the other two pairs, Jackson is grooming them to fear putting him or Holly up. It is even more true in the DE scenario where Christie won't have time to work on Tommy and where Cliff and Nicole will panic about Jackson winning veto.

Honestly, I expect both pairs to throw it to Holly if possible, because both couples feel safe and they don't want enemies. Holly will just put up Christie and Tommy, claiming that Christie is her target while hoping Nicole and Cliff take the shot at Tommy. If he goes, she'll just be so sad.🙄😉

Jackson's instincts are pretty good when he's in control. I see him coasting to an easy win.

Yes they made it pretty obvious (all the remaining contestants), that they want others to do their dirty work for them.

1 hour ago, Cutty said:

It's why I don't feel bad when she cries that no one includes her in alliances and that she feels left out. There's a reason for that, and it's her own damn fault.

I couldn’t agree more about Jess.

[peachmangosteen]

8 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I think Jackson is going to put up Cliff, since Cliff....to absolutely nobody's surprise....volunteered to go up if he needed to.

Well then, I hope Jess wins veto and then Christie convinces them to get rid of Cliff. For the comedy!

So, are we thinking they're gonna do a reset/cancelled eviction the week after DE at F5? That feels so late for it.

[kellog010]

That's...a lot of watermelon. 

[Lady Calypso]

6 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Well then, I hope Jess wins veto and then Christie convinces them to get rid of Cliff. For the comedy!

So, are we thinking they're gonna do a reset/cancelled eviction the week after DE at F5? That feels so late for it.

That would be hilarious, but I think that Holly/Jackson will get rid of Christie. Which, by the way, is fine with me. Jess or Christie leaving works fine.

BB16 had their reset happen at F5 so it wouldn't technically be too late, but they may even just have no Fast Forward Eviction and they'll play out the rest of the season normally....which is a HUGE mistake, by the way. We know from experience that six days with just three houseguests feels like forever. Imagine four houseguests having to hang out in the house for a full week.

[PhoneCop]

4 hours ago, missyb said:

Jackson cracking up. Not just Jackson, I am laughing out loud.

I think Jess just gifted us with the BB equivalent of the Wilhelm Scream.

[peachmangosteen]

Christie just said Nick's game was like Tyler's.

[TimWil]

It sort of reminds me of the Howard Dean Scream, which ruined a presidential campaign.

[zorak]

Jess is convinced that this coming week's shows are going to air Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday and because there would never be a new show on Sunday night before Labor Day.  Prior to this, she said that this would be a double eviction week.  They asked her how she knew and she went into the whole thing about what days the show would air.  At least Christie asked her how that would mean a guaranteed double eviction.

[Lady Calypso]

4 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Christie just said Nick's game was like Tyler's.

These houseguests, Christie and Holly in particular, keep mistaking Nick as some sort of mastermind genius when....his game was basically laid out in front of everyone and everyone knew who he was loyal to and what his game was.

Yet they still thought he was some dangerous player that needed to get out. They claim he was some sort of comp beast too.

Like...bitch, he won one crapshoot competition and one competiton requiring a lot of luck with the sheep to get them into their pens. He may have been decent at comps, but comp beast, he was definitely not. He was not running the game, you dummies.

[zorak]

They're talking about Nick now.  "He left with a girlfriend."  Or did he?

[Sketcher]

2 hours ago, Cutty said:

It's why I don't feel bad when she cries that no one includes her in alliances and that she feels left out. There's a reason for that, and it's her own damn fault.

It goes back even further...if Kat and Jess had agreed to save Bella, neither would have become targets.

10 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Christie just said Nick's game was like Tyler's.

Christie HAS to talk Nick up so she can talk up her big victory over him.  After all, she saved the house, you know. He was going to walk to the end if she didn't sacrifice herself by flipping the vote on that angel Sis. Oh, how hard that was on selfless Christie. 🙄

Edited August 30, 2019 by Sketcher

[zorak]

It's nomination time.

[Scout Finch]

50 minutes ago, kellog010 said:

That's...a lot of watermelon. 

One for each hour?

(Which reminds me of something funny on the interwebz: "24 beers in a case. 24 hours in a day. Coincidence?")

Edited August 30, 2019 by Scout Finch

[zorak]

Christie and Jess are officially on the block.

Christie:  "It's all good, Mich.  It's all good."

[Lady Calypso]

So, rewatching Jess' wall fall and Jackson cracking up, it reminded me that just a few seconds earlier, Jackson was instructing Jess to fall "like she was laying in bed." LOL.

Ok, I found this tweet and it had me giggling for a good two minutes: