S09.E18: Pardon Our French

[Mindthinkr]

2 minutes ago, TexasGal said:

Maybe Dorinda (NY)?  

Correct

[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Is Erika actually out with a hole in her sweater? Is that a new style for tops (I’m used to the ripped jeans look). 

1 minute ago, TexasGal said:

Apparently.  I feel like someone on another edition of HW also wore a ripped up sweater recently.  Maybe Dorinda (NY)?  All those favorite sweaters through the years that got pitched when they got holes.  I should have saved them.

I have wooden hangers with the metal clips at the bottom bar. The sweater looks like it got caught on those clips when Erika took the outfit off the hanger

[whydoievencare]

It doesn't take very much for Rinna to turn ugly.  She really doesn't like to be challenged.  Erika and Rinna are really up each others assholes this season.

Edited June 12, 2019 by whydoievencare

[endure]

They're all delusional and so righteous ughhhhhhh 😫😣😖😤

[chenoa333]

1 minute ago, Mindthinkr said:

I have a bottle of French red wine open...anyone is welcome to join. I have another bottle. 

Do you live in So. California? If so, I can leave now for your place!

[Mindthinkr]

Erika all glammed up in her TH acts differently than when she is Erika Girardi. 

Pompous?  

[TexasGal]

2 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Correct

Whee!!!!  I feel like I should get a prize.

Erika is so hungover exhausted at this dinner, she can’t even bitch at Teddi with any sense of feeling.

[Mindthinkr]

1 minute ago, chenoa333 said:

Do you live in So. California? If so, I can leave now for your place!

East coast

[dosodog]

Hmmm.  Kyle is manipulating Teddi?

So Teddi likes being a henchman?  Are we going to see texts from Kyle manipulating her into it?

 

[endure]

3 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I have wooden hangers with the metal clips at the bottom bar. The sweater looks like it got caught on those clips when Erika took the outfit off the hanger

The sweater has holes on both arms I think they're meant to be there

I guess Erika didn't bring her glam squad.

[KungFuBunny]

Just now, endure said:

The sweater has holes on both arms I think they're meant to be there

It looks more like the metal clips were used to hold up the sweater while it was being steamed - then someone yanked it off without opening the clips

[Bronzedog]

God I would hate being trapped with these women so far from home.  They are at a beautiful place and they can't stop sniping at each other for a couple of days.  I know it's their jobs but enough already.

[janiema]

I’m don’t really like Rinna that much but do find her very entertaining. I also respect her hustle.

Erika May wish to abandon this vapid group and pal around with LVP instead.

[chewycandy]

Kyle and Teddi are EXHAUSTING. 

[JD5166]

8 minutes ago, 918lux said:

WTF is with these women and their damn well-done beef??

It probably uses up more calories, they also probably smother it in THE hottest sauce they can find. 

[njbchlover]

8 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Erica looks so pretty with minimal make up. However....what the hell is she wearing in her talking heads? I can't stop laughing! 

And Kyle disgusts me.

In those talking head segments, Erika looks like some old fashioned comic book character - like maybe a villianess/femme fatale from Dick Tracy or something!

But, I do think she looks really pretty in the ones with the Marilyn Monroe/Jayne Mansfield hair style.  Of course, that one has some major filter/film over the lens!!  

Edited June 12, 2019 by njbchlover

[Straycat80]

9 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I have a bottle of French red wine open...anyone is welcome to join. I have another bottle. 

Poor me a glass and teleport it to Chicago! 

[SweetieDarling]

6 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

East coast

I'm on my way!

6 minutes ago, dosodog said:

Hmmm.  Kyle is manipulating Teddi?

So Teddi likes being a henchman?  Are we going to see texts from Kyle manipulating her into it?

 

Only partial conversations

[KungFuBunny]

I'm siding with Erika in this tiff.

Kyle and Teddi were going round and round and Erika said I didn't think it was weird nor was I offended.

Then Kyle and Teddi won't shut up.

Rinna said I think it was really Cunty of you to give Rinna the bunny. Kyle has no leg to stand on since she admitted after the reunion, the reason her fingers were in her mouth was because she was trying really hard not to laugh.

Edited June 12, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[Callaphera]

Sooo... Erika is the new Lisa Vanderpump because Lisa nope'd the fuck out? Erika seems more likely to bitch slap someone and hold her own so this might be all right. 

I appreciate a shit stirrer like Rinna who is very obvious about it versus a shit stirrer like Teddi who tries to act so sanctimonious while pretending like she isn't grabbing her wooden spoon.  And now that I complimented Rinna, I'm gonna go sage myself and buy some rock salt for the portion of Hell that just froze over. 

[SweetieDarling]

Rinna going on and on with her rationalization for her *unty behavior...No one warned me I'd need wading boots; the bs got pretty deep.

[chenoa333]

11 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

East coast

Oh. I suppose those 2 bottles of French red wine would be gone before I arrived😧   Enjoy!

[Mindthinkr]

Of course Kyle is already on Twitter discussing her eating disorder. It’s all about Kyle. 

[endure]

20 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I wonder how comfortable Teddi feels right now. Opening up, sharing her feelings, getting shut down.....

 

Butch just doesn't fit in does she?

[dosodog]

5 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

God I would hate being trapped with these women so far from home.  They are at a beautiful place and they can't stop sniping at each other for a couple of days.  I know it's their jobs but enough already.

It's always at a meal.  Always. 

That's why I would order dessert up front in a to go box.

 

Or.  Turn to Rinna and say "I'll make you a deal.  You shut up about owning stuff until dessert or I'm going to make a point of acknowledging you don't eat".

Which?  Well I'd probably get an almost slap and a glass thrown at me, defeating my attempt to have a delicious meal in peace.

Effing Rinna.

 

So close.  But so far to dessert.

[Jel]

That episode felt two hours long. They don't rush by like they used to for me.

Erika, after her totally unnecessary, one more fucking time, JAB at Lisa (the jab that was complaining about jabs), is dead to me. 

[chenoa333]

9 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

In those talking head segments, Erika looks like some old fashioned comic book character - like maybe a villianess/femme fatale from Dick Tracy or something!

Yeah. I immediately had flashbacks of my child hood when my dad would take me to the Ringling Bros. Circus...the clowns. I hated the circus. Loved the Ice Capades!

[Chit Chat]

I actually watched the entire episode this time!  The group's unity and ass kissing didn't last long.  They're already tearing into each other.  Of course that's what generally happens when one person is the "enemy" of a group.  The remaining ones all crawl up each other's butts for awhile, but then it's business as usual as they rip each other apart.  

Then there's the bus trip to the villa.  It went something like this:  Aw man, Camille and Denise's homes might be on fire.  Oh, so sad.   Oooh, look at the pretty entrance to the villa.  And yes Rinna, you've got to make the best of the situation as you all enjoy your vacation while California literally burns.   Her fake concern about people losing their homes was very transparent.  

[SweetieDarling]

39 minutes ago, Jel said:

Also, ... en France, ne couper pas votre salad!

(I just remember that from a dictee and have been waiting more than 30 years to work it into a conversation.)

Kyle, so sad because her friend's house burned down, until she saw the entrance to her vacation rental! Kyle!

LOL!

And why didn't they play the Sur le Pont D'Avignon song and make them dance on the bridge. Obviously, none of these women had Mrs Madame Barford for French class.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

I don't understand what was so difficult to understand about what Kyle and Teddi were saying and I don't think Teddi was being Kyle's "henchman." It's not that hard to see why Rinna's using the Erika Jayne persona was confusing AND it's also not so out-of-bounds for them to think Erika might have been insulted by it. 

I don't think that Kyle and Teddi were trying to "bait" Erika - I think that they were genuinely confused about Erika's indifference because, as they both said, if Rinna had used their personae to go after Kim, they would have been annoyed by it. I get that both Rinna and Erika think that Erika Jayne is a performance persona but still, if you aren't an actress or performer, I think that is difficult to understand.

But Erika really wanted to make it all about her when I thought that Kyle made it clear that she was annoyed that Rinna went after Kim - perfectly understandable since Kim is Kyle's sister and it was at Kyle's daughter's party. Rinna's inability to understand that Kyle actually may have more loyalty to her sister, as screwed as she is, and that she should probably apologize to Kyle is annoying. And as for Teddi, I think she honestly was just confused and trying to clarify. 

[njbchlover]

Wow....I didn't even need to wait until next season without LVP to see all these women turn on each other - they've started already!  

I don't usually agree with Dorit, but in this situation (and the one at the bus at Erika's concert), she is 100% correct.  Teddi is again inserting herself into something that is none of her business, and not her fight to fight, or discussion to discuss.  Let Kyle explain her feelings to Rinna and Erika and keep your mouth shut.  I HATE when someone won't let someone else explain things their own way.  

And, Kyle was right - Rinna was totally inappropriate at the Halloween party - whether she was Rinna Jayne, Erika Jayne, Lisa Rinna or whoever the fuck she wants to think she was.  Again, she deflects and turns the story around.  It wasn't her fault what she said - it was Kim's fault for being at her niece's birthday party!!  Give me a break!  And, saying that "pretending to be" or "acting" as Erika Jayne allowed her to have a conversation with Kim?  Why?  Why not be yourself, "own" your shit, and have a mature conversation?? 

I could see Erica starting to seethe - she has a tell - her eyes get slitted, sort of like a snake getting ready to pounce on its prey.  It's even more apparent when she isn't wearing heavy false eyelashes as she normally does.  I do think she was slightly offended on Halloween  because Rinna kept saying that she (Rinna) didn't call Kim cunty - Erika Jayne did.  Erica is just moving on from the b.s. where Kyle and Teddi want to keep it going.  

I just don't understand why these women cannot just enjoy themselves, ever!!  What an absolutely stunning manse in an amazingly beautiful setting!!!  Just unbelievable that they even feel the need to get nasty and bitchy in such a peaceful, serene place! 

[SweetieDarling]

7 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Of course Kyle is already on Twitter discussing her eating disorder. It’s all about Kyle. 

Wearing a hat

[Callaphera]

4 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't think that Kyle and Teddi were trying to "bait" Erika - I think that they were genuinely confused about Erika's indifference because, as they both said, if Rinna had used their personae to go after Kim, they would have been annoyed by it. I get that both Rinna and Erika think that Erika Jayne is a performance persona but still, if you aren't an actress or performer, I think that is difficult to understand.

...wasn't Kyle an actress when she was younger? Wasn't that what the whole "eating disorder"/please pay attention to me moment was about fifteen minutes before that? Okay, I guess you could give a pass to Teddi for that (not me, though. Nope. Teddi gets no passes unless it's a one way pass to the exit door) but Kyle should understand "acting" and "interpretation". 

Edited June 12, 2019 by Callaphera

[goofygirl]

Good Lord, these women are exhausting!  I really enjoyed looking at France and the chateau.  Actually, I muted the sound!  I think we all knew they would go after each other after there was no longer any LVP to kick around and guess what? It's happening.  Boring as hell!

That "look" Erika's going for in her TH's is one for the books! WHAT THE HOLY HELL WAS ALL THAT??

I'm on the good old White Zinfandel tonight here in Texas.  Cheers!

[Jel]

1 minute ago, Callaphera said:

...wasn't Kyle an actress when she was younger? Wasn't that what the whole "eating disorder"/please pay attention to me moment was about fifteen minutes before that? Okay, I guess you could give a pass to Teddi for that (not me, though. Nope. Teddi gets no passes unless it's a one way pass to the exit door) but Kyle should understand "acting" and "interpretation". 

Yes, and Teddi first moved to LA to "make it as an actress". 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

4 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

...wasn't Kyle an actress when she was younger? Wasn't that what the whole "eating disorder"/please pay attention to me moment was about fifteen minutes before that? Okay, I guess you could give a pass to Teddi for that (not me, though. Nope. Teddi gets no passes unless it's a one way pass to the exit door) but Kyle should understand "acting". 

I mean, I don't really consider someone who did some acting as a kid to be a trained actor. Her career as a child actor wasn't particularly successful and says to me that she isn't really much of a performer. In any case, the last time she really acted was more than 20 years ago - I don't really think she understands that kind of performance before, if she ever did.

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Yes, and Teddi first moved to LA to "make it as an actress". 

But clearly she didn't. And that isn't what she is now. 

Personally, I think that both Rinna and Erika were being disingenuous - I don't think it was about performance art, I think it was about Rinna wanting to find a way to go after Kim, and Erika just being too self-centered to not understand what Teddi and Kyle were saying. So I have no problem with them calling Rinna out. I just think that they don't fundamentally understand the Erika Jayne persona (and personally, I am with them on that). 

Edited June 12, 2019 by eleanorofaquitaine

[chenoa333]

3 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Wearing a hat

You know the old saying "if I'm wrong I'll eat my hat!" Hopefully it's a straw hat so Kyle doesn't have to worry about carbs.

[SweetieDarling]

6 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't understand what was so difficult to understand about what Kyle and Teddi were saying and I don't think Teddi was being Kyle's "henchman." It's not that hard to see why Rinna's using the Erika Jayne persona was confusing AND it's also not so out-of-bounds for them to think Erika might have been insulted by it. 

I don't think that Kyle and Teddi were trying to "bait" Erika - I think that they were genuinely confused about Erika's indifference because, as they both said, if Rinna had used their personae to go after Kim, they would have been annoyed by it. I get that both Rinna and Erika think that Erika Jayne is a performance persona but still, if you aren't an actress or performer, I think that is difficult to understand.

But Erika really wanted to make it all about her when I thought that Kyle made it clear that she was annoyed that Rinna went after Kim - perfectly understandable since Kim is Kyle's sister and it was at Kyle's daughter's party. Rinna's inability to understand that Kyle actually may have more loyalty to her sister, as screwed as she is, and that she should probably apologize to Kyle is annoying. And as for Teddi, I think she honestly was just confused and trying to clarify. 

It's really not that difficult. Erika is whichever Erika she feels like being at any given time, subject to change without notice, not to be questioned.

[Chit Chat]

1 minute ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't think that Kyle and Teddi were trying to "bait" Erika - I think that they were genuinely confused about Erika's indifference because, as they both said, if Rinna had used their personae to go after Kim, they would have been annoyed by it.

They want EJ to admit to what they think she should be thinking, and when EJ says she is fine, they can't let it go.  It's just like what they did with LVP.  Admit it, LVP!  You're a damn liar! 

EJ said she's fine, so drop it (she's been annoyed in the past, so apparently she should be annoyed now too.)   It's what they did to LVP.  They say she's been manipulative in the past, so she's automatically guilty this time.  See HWs, this kind of thinking can come back to bite you in the ass.

Rinna had a lot of nerve telling Teddi to mind her own business, that it wasn't her issue.  Hello, pot?  Meet kettle.  Rinna was NOT part of the original conversation about doggygate, but yet she sure put in her 2 cents about the whole thing.   I hate the hypocrisy. 

[njbchlover]

2 minutes ago, Jel said:

Yes, and Teddi first moved to LA to "make it as an actress". 

Now we know why she didn't "make it"....she doesn't know how. to. act.  

[missyb]

36 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Erica looks so pretty with minimal make up. However....what the hell is she wearing in her talking heads? I can't stop laughing! 

And Kyle disgusts me.

That's a performance persona, dahling.

[Callaphera]

3 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I mean, I don't really consider someone who did some acting as a kid to be a trained actor. Her career as a child actor wasn't particularly successful and says to me that she isn't really much of a performer. In any case, the last time she really acted was more than 20 years ago - I don't really think she understands that kind of performance before, if she ever did.

But Kyle's not completely ignorant of how it works. There was a whole storyline about the show she was producing that totally wasn't about her mom and her sisters acting, no siree, nothing to do with the Richards family (okay, maybe a little bit but just a little... hey, why isn't my family talking to me anymore?) - Kyle knows what acting is. Her pretending to be ignorant of what a performance persona is and of creative interpretation is kinda rich coming from her. 

[Chit Chat]

4 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Erika is whichever Erika she feels like being at any given time, subject to change without notice, not to be questioned.

I do think that Rinna was wrong in what she did, but her and EJ seem to be tight at the moment, so EJ gave her a pass.  I think if it had been someone else who did that, she could've very easily have swung the other way and been pissed to the max. 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

2 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

They want EJ to admit to what they think she should be thinking, and when EJ says she is fine, they can't let it go.  It's just like what they did with LVP.  Admit it, LVP!  You're a damn liar! 

EJ said she's fine, so drop it (she's been annoyed in the past, so apparently she should be annoyed now too.)   It's what they did to LVP.  They say she's been manipulative in the past, so she's automatically guilty this time.  See HWs, this kind of thinking can come back to bite you in the ass.

Rinna had a lot of nerve telling Teddi to mind her own business, that it wasn't her issue.  Hello, pot?  Meet kettle.  Rinna was NOT part of the original conversation about doggygate, but yet she sure put in her 2 cents about the whole thing.   I hate the hypocrisy. 

No, I don't think that they think Erika should think what they were thinking. IMO, they just didn't understand.

As for the second thing, I don't really understand the argument. Erika doesn't get to dictate how Kyle feels about Rinna's inappropriate behavior. Admittedly, since they shifted it to that discussion, I understand why she might have thought that way but Kyle made it clear that she was bothered by Rinna's behavior. So why should she have to "drop it" just because Erika wants her to?

I am not addressing the LVP stuff because the argument wasn't about LVP. 

[Jel]

How many more episodes until we get a Lisa sighting?  I was expecting to see her in the previews, but it turns out this is a two-parter? 

[janiema]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and in this case it was Dorit. Why eat out in France and order a burger?

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 minute ago, Callaphera said:

But Kyle's not completely ignorant of how it works. There was a whole storyline about the show she was producing that totally wasn't about her mom and her sisters acting, no siree, nothing to do with the Richards family (okay, maybe a little bit but just a little... hey, why isn't my family talking to me anymore?) - Kyle knows what acting is. Her pretending to be ignorant of what a performance persona is and of creative interpretation is kinda rich coming from her. 

She was a producer on that show, not an actress, correct? I'm not sure what that has to do with the idea of not understanding the concept of a performance persona. She can understand the need for people to act on a television show without emotionally connecting to the idea of a "performance persona."

I wish that Kyle had directly said, "Rinna, I don't think you acted appropriately at Farrah's party." Because IMO Rinna owes her an apology and yet, here we are.

[malibu]

Ordering skinny margaritas and well done burgers in the south of France??  Come on, ladies. I was embarrassed for them and that may have been the one and only time I agreed with Dorit on anything.  I'm sending myself to bed!

[Chit Chat]

1 minute ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Erika doesn't get to dictate how Kyle feels about Rinna's inappropriate behavior.

Kyle and Teddi wanted EJ to admit that she was bothered and annoyed by Rinna's attack on Kim all in the name of being EJ.  EJ said she didn't have a problem with it.  Kyle & Teddi didn't like that answer.  They kept on and on trying to "understand."  There was nothing more to understand.  EJ said she was fine with Rinna dressing up as her and that it didn't bother her that Rinna attacked Kim like that.  

Kyle can feel however she wants to.  EJ wanted to be left out of the discussion.   

[Reality police]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Did Teddi have her shoes on the table? Really? In a French chateau? No class.

I saw that and yelled the tv. Scared the cat to death! Was she raised in a barn?