Million Dollar Listing LA - General Discussion

[chessiegal]

I used to watch this and caught reruns yesterday that aired in 2019. I noticed that they use the terms Master Suite, bathroom. Were these filmed before the National Association of Realtors and others followed that Master was dropped and replaced with main or primary? Or does the franchise not care and still use those terms? I haven't seen newer episodes.

[dleighg]

from an article in 2023, the NAR was still defending the term:

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On the flip side, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) has defended use of the term. In a statement to the press, NAR President Vince Malta states, “NAR sees no reason that real estate professionals cannot use the term, as there is also no evidence that it has any historical connection to slavery or any other kind of discrimination.”

I think the change started around 2020 at a small scale, and has only become very widespread recently.

[chessiegal]

20 minutes ago, dleighg said:

from an article in 2023, the NAR was still defending the term:

I think the change started around 2020 at a small scale, and has only become very widespread recently.

So, do current airings still use the term Master?

[sugarbaker design]

24 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

So, do current airings still use the term Master?

The current terms being used on most real estate shows are primary and secondary bedrooms.

[chessiegal]

25 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

The current terms being used on most real estate shows are primary and secondary bedrooms.

Yes, I know. But my question is, does this show, Million Dollar Listing: LA still use the term Master?

[sugarbaker design]

31 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

Yes, I know. But my question is, does this show, Million Dollar Listing: LA still use the term Master?

I've attached a clip of a showing of a house by Josh Altman from episode 1 of the current season.  He calls it the 'owner's suite'.  I have no idea what the other two realtors call it.

Edited July 18 by sugarbaker design

[Starlight925]

Tracy was on WWHL this week and Andy asked how the L.A. real estate market is now, and she said it's awful.

I think we will see these agents branch out more into Southern Cali, Nevada, Texas etc., as the California economy erodes.  It's too bad, because I love seeing the Beverly Hills real estate, the Bird streets, Belair, etc.

[Shrek]

I see Tracy still shops at Forever 21, what is she now, 60 going on 18 ? 

[QQQQ]

Sad the Altman house is so small that Josh can't have a closet for his beige and brown wardrobe.

[EtheltoTillie]

I have heard them use the term primary bedroom in the newer episodes. 

[QQQQ]

One of the recent real estate reality shows (Buying Beachfront Bargain Brothers 😅) teased a client who said master (something like "We say primary now.").

[chessiegal]

I watch a lot of shows on HGTV. When I was watching the marathon yesterday, it was jarring hearing and seeing "Master Suite". As I said, the shows were from 2019. Having not seen a recent episode, I was curious if they had changed with the times. My husband asked me why I was watching the (show) derogatory term. I told him - it's real estate porn! 🤣

[QQQQ]

Language is always evolving. I'm sure terms we're using today will eventually be viewed as outdated, racist, sexist, offensive, etc. We learn and grow.

[Wicked]

Flagg was the only one who had a win this episode and it was a one million dollar win.  I like the show better when the Joshes are friends

 

[howiveaddict]

6 hours ago, chessiegal said:

I watch a lot of shows on HGTV. When I was watching the marathon yesterday, it was jarring hearing and seeing "Master Suite". As I said, the shows were from 2019. Having not seen a recent episode, I was curious if they had changed with the times. My husband asked me why I was watching the (show) derogatory term. I told him - it's real estate porn! 🤣

Even the show descriptions are getting non controversial.  I watch a lot of METV.  I'm old.  Tonight the description for the Andy Griffith show used the word unhoused , where in the past it would have been hobo.  Also when Bonanza comes on, there is a disclaimer about the show being culturally insensitive.  I guess METV doesn't want complaints.

On topic: what is a marine feature? That house had a big fish tank.

Edited July 19 by howiveaddict

[CrazyInAlabama]

I'm watching the rerun of the first season 15 episode.   Mansion Tax is 4% on $5 million up to $10 million, 5 1/2% on mansions $10 million and higher. I don't think it matters if tax is on buyer or sellers, because you know the houses will be priced to cover that if it's on the sellers, and buyers will be bidding lower if they have to pay it.    

[Jeanne222]

Tracy comes from millionaires?  Who..is she?

[QQQQ]

Tracy's dad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Tutor

Anyone else notice that, during Tracy's lunch with her client, the wait person got extra screen time for no apparent reason?

[heatherchandler]

11 minutes ago, QQQQ said:

Tracy's dad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Tutor

Anyone else notice that, during Tracy's lunch with her client, the wait person got extra screen time for no apparent reason?

Yes!  What was that about?  I figured it would be revealed she was someone important or something!

[Lady Lucy]

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Tracy looks like she had the surgery where they suck the fat out of your cheeks. Or she's taking O.

Maybe both? In any event, she looks horrible. 

[CrazyInAlabama]

"Buyer's Remorse"      New, 7/24/2024, Season 15 Episode 3. 

Tracy contends with first-time buyers with some buyers' remorse; Flagg examines the childhood dream home he purchased sight unseen; Altman attempts to move a mega-mansion in Pelican Crest, and he winds up swimming in marble.

Readcrest is off the market.  Altman's new house in Newport is Island Vista in Pelican Crest, and it's spectacular.    He's listing it for $26.850  million. 11,000+ sq ft, everything is marble, Calacata Marble (?spelling). 156 slabs of natural marble, $2 million in stone and fabrication.  5 bedrooms, all water views, the main bath is almost as big as my house, with an elevator, indoor pool, sauna, massage and exercise rooms. Mike is the developer and put $22 million into the house.   Open House will include synchronized swimmers.   Altman is building a permanent office in Newport. The underground garage is huge. The open house has synchronized swimmers, and a violinist.  

 

Flagg takes Tracy to see his childhood dream home he bought sight unseen on Bedford, and it's a wreck.  It hasn't been on the market for 62 years.   There's no electrical, walls are missing, lots of water damage, plumbing is missing. holes in the floor and walls.    House is 4,936 sq ft.   There's no flooring, sinks and plumbing is gone, upstairs is down to the studs in most rooms.  It cost Flagg $9.2 million.  House will take 3 to 4 years to redo.   Flagg wants to sell the house, if he can find something else done to his taste. 

(There is no way Flagg bought that house without walking around it, looking in windows, etc.    Even if he bought it for cash, he still has to get insurance, etc. hook up utilities, and everything else that goes with a house purchase.  No way any utility company will service that wreck of a house). 

Tracy's new clients bought a house, and then when they moved in realize it's under the flight path for LAX.   Another modern white box.  How do you tour a house in the flight path, and not realize there's constant jet noise?  Tracy's listing is going to be a pain to sell.  (Another bull storyline, and as a later poster said, this house was shown before with the adu and giant wall between the yard and the apartment house next door.  No one could visit that house and not notice the flight path right over it. )

Altman, Flagg and Tracy have lunch, and to hash over Flagg's bad purchase on Bedford.  I'm glad Flagg is having a mocktail. Altman is going to sell Bedford for 3%, and Tracy will find Flagg a turnkey house.

 

I love the previews for next week. 

Next week Episode 4 will be at the usual time.   Not many shows are competing with the Olympic coverage, but this one is.  

Edited July 25 by CrazyInAlabama

[UsernameFatigue]

I call BS on Josh's whole "I bought a house sight unseen" storyline. He said that the sellers said that they use it to store furniture. There was no furniture in it, and as was seen no fixtures, plumbing, electrical, etc. Why would the buyers not have to disclose that it is basically a write off, not to mention possibly dangerous, inside? That said, it was still more interesting than any of the white on white on white boxes shown. 

I hate when parents put the two stupid knots of hair on top of their kid's head. Heather (I assume) not only did it to her daughter's hair, but her own as well. OMFG. 

I don't get either how the sellers of the LA house did not know it was on a flight path. Maybe the seller's realtor didn't disclose it because, well, it would be  obvious? 

[Soapy Goddess]

13 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I call BS on Josh's whole "I bought a house sight unseen" storyline. He said that the sellers said that they use it to store furniture. There was no furniture in it, and as was seen no fixtures, plumbing, electrical, etc. Why would the buyers not have to disclose that it is basically a write off, not to mention possibly dangerous, inside? That said, it was still more interesting than any of the white on white on white boxes shown. 

Totally agree. Josh is too smart for that BS. He'll probably wind up renovating it and making a nice profit when it's done. Even if he decides to stay there with his partner, he'll have a nice investment...until they finally decide to break up.

[EtheltoTillie]

I was particularly peeved with that airplane noise business.  Tracy was yammering on and on about the disclosure problem, like she was a law professor.  Did she think they were going to get damages?  Shut up!  Anyone who spent ten minutes there would have heard the noise.  Did they never visit the house? Another staged bit of nonsense, I guess. 

Edited July 25 by EtheltoTillie

[QQQQ]

Yes, the whole buying sight unseen was bunk. I know it's done but unless Flagg handed over $9 million cash I was wondering about insurance, assessments, inspections, disclosures, etc.

Tracy's flight path house looked really familiar. I swear we've seen an agent sell that house in a previous season - I remember someone trying to address the apartment in the backyard; I think they hired mermaids to sit by the pool as a distraction. Although I don't recall plane noise being an issue, so maybe not...

Edited July 25 by QQQQ

[js9548]

Yea ,this week's episode was clearly written by the producers. Flagg is too savvy a businessman to buy a 9M house without going inside. Plus, there was a flashback of Flagg and boyfriend standing on the property together. They would have checked the backyard if not the interior at that time. 

 

And what EtheltoTillie said about the noise, the owners would have had to have heard the airplanes flying over before buying it. 

[Mindthinkr]

I’m glad Island Vista sold fairly quickly. These agents must spend a lot of dough to get the other agents and interested buyers to come to these open houses. Besides the food and beverages, the cost of live music and synchronized swimmers must have cost him a pretty penny. I was chuffed that he gave each of his agents a grand to help him celebrate the sale. If the market is as bad as they say, unless you’re selling a lot, you need something to supplement your income. 

[EtheltoTillie]

Yes, Flagg's house thing was also totally staged.  He may have actually paid cash and not gone in before buying--he's rich enough--but surely he had been inside before the camera crews showed up.  They were feigning shock at what they found. 

[heatherchandler]

2 hours ago, js9548 said:

They would have checked the backyard if not the interior at that time. 

 

Or even just peeked into the house!

[Pine]

Josh Flagg's Bedford house is a false crisis.

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, QQQQ said:

Yes, the whole buying sight unseen was bunk. I know it's done but unless Flagg handed over $9 million cash I was wondering about insurance, assessments, inspections, disclosures, etc.

It was done often during the 2008-2010 years when so many people were losing their homes.  In my state these repossessed houses were sold on the courthouse steps (literally) As Is.   No viewing inside, no inspections, etc.   Of course these weren't in the millions of dollar prices but I knew a RE agent who bought a beautiful house at a deal of 600K, did about 50K of work in it, had an open house and then found out the sliding hill behind it made it unsafe and couldn't get an occupancy cert.  Lots of buyers remorse in that period. 

Edited July 25 by Cosmocrush

[rhofmovalley]

Why did they just skim over the sale of "Island Vista" or whatever it was called? And instead had the silly flight path storyline (which is BS, as others have said if you spend ten minutes at the property you would have seen and heard airplanes overhead). I was more interested in how that sale came about than Josh and Tracy pretending he didn't know the "castle" had been gutted. 

Edited July 25 by rhofmovalley

[meep.meep]

It looked like they had done some quick edits - maybe the buyer decided he/she didn't want to be featured on the show at the last minute.  That was one tasteless giant mansion, especially the excessive marble in the bathrooms.  Less is more!

Will our last glimpse of Eric be him telling Tracy's girls to use paper plates?

[js9548]

3 hours ago, Pine said:

Josh Flagg's Bedford house is a false crisis.

This is just a story line so Tracey and Altman can compete to find Flagg a new house.

[heatherchandler]

Oh - Jeana Keough sighting!!  Was that her husband with her?  He looked familiar.

[Cosmocrush]

10 hours ago, rhofmovalley said:

Why did they just skim over the sale of "Island Vista" or whatever it was called? And instead had the silly flight path storyline (which is BS, as others have said if you spend ten minutes at the property you would have seen and heard airplanes overhead). I was more interested in how that sale came about than Josh and Tracy pretending he didn't know the "castle" had been gutted. 

Exactly!  If those new home buyers were dumb enough to miss the flight path then how in hell did the get four million for a house?!   I suspect they didn’t think it would be a big deal and later realized it was- for them anyway.

I thought the 2 million dollars of marble at Island Vista make it feel like a mausoleum. The owner will have to hire a full time person just to keep it up.

[Emmeline]

I have not watched Million Dollar Listing LA for several years.  Tonight I watched Josh on WWHL and I was shocked at his appearance.  My first thought was that he looked like the Vampire Lestat.  Seriously, he had a lot of makeup on and did not look well.  Something is going on with him.

[chessiegal]

I also wondered about Josh. He really doesn't look well.

I used to work next to Dulles International airport. Depending on which way the wind was blowing, I could either wave to the people in planes landing, or I didn't see or hear the planes because they were taking off and were too high to be noticed. If you're only at a house for ten minutes, it's possible not to notice them.

[EtheltoTillie]

15 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

I also wondered about Josh. He really doesn't look well.

I used to work next to Dulles International airport. Depending on which way the wind was blowing, I could either wave to the people in planes landing, or I didn't see or hear the planes because they were taking off and were too high to be noticed. If you're only at a house for ten minutes, it's possible not to notice them.

That might be so, but the way I took it was that in this particular house it was really obvious. 

[chessiegal]

Still depends on which way the wind is blowing which dictates take-off and landing patterns.,

[65mickey]

11 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I have not watched Million Dollar Listing LA for several years.  Tonight I watched Josh on WWHL and I was shocked at his appearance.  My first thought was that he looked like the Vampire Lestat.  Seriously, he had a lot of makeup on and did not look well.  Something is going on with him.

I have thought that he doesn't look or act like himself this season. He has lost a good bit of weight and he is not drinking. Maybe he looked back at how he acted last season and decided to make a change. He almost look like he is depressed. And if he really spent $9,000,000 on a whim for that dilapidated house then I question what state of mind he is in. 

[dleighg]

whoa (gift article)

These Brothers Were Real Estate Hotshots. And Predators, Some Women Say

Over the past two months, The New York Times interviewed 10 women who said they were sexually assaulted by the brothers, or believe they may have been. Some of them were speaking for the first time, including Tracy Tutor, a top broker at Douglas Elliman Beverly Hills and one of the stars of the reality TV show “Million Dollar Listing Los Angeles.” Seven of the women said they believe they had been drugged, describing a fog that erased or clouded their memory

(I haven't watched for a few years, and I didn't even recognize Tracy from her picture in the article)

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[sugarbaker design]

1 hour ago, dleighg said:

(I haven't watched for a few years, and I didn't even recognize Tracy from her picture in the article)

It was immediately apparent to me that was Tracy in the picture.  Just a quick FYI, Howard Lorber, from the article, is also the father of OG Million Dollar Listings:  NYC realtor Michael Lorber.

[snarts]

5 hours ago, chessiegal said:

Still depends on which way the wind is blowing which dictates take-off and landing patterns.,

It's also seasonal, at least in areas of the country where they experience seasonal weather patterns. I'm speaking from personal experience having lived near O'hare, Detroit Metro and Westchester (NY).

Edited July 26 by snarts

[ML89]

21 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

h - Jeana Keough sighting!!  Was that her husband with her?  He looked familiar.

So who is this person? The whole "I create content" stuff was right out of a House Hunters International.

Okay, the huge house with the marble. I was cringing at all the food and drinks being slung around to stain the marble. Also, that "developer" was creepy and how does he make money, because buying a house for 15, spending 7 to update it and then selling it for 24 is garbage math. He grosses $2 mil and probably less than 1 after all the fees, etc, come out.

There's another article about real estate in NYC that has a really surprising paragraph just casually tossed into the middle - look for Fredrik Eklund:

WHAT?

 

[EtheltoTillie]

42 minutes ago, ML89 said:

So who is this person? The whole "I create content" stuff was right out of a House Hunters International.

Okay, the huge house with the marble. I was cringing at all the food and drinks being slung around to stain the marble. Also, that "developer" was creepy and how does he make money, because buying a house for 15, spending 7 to update it and then selling it for 24 is garbage math. He grosses $2 mil and probably less than 1 after all the fees, etc, come out.

There's another article about real estate in NYC that has a really surprising paragraph just casually tossed into the middle - look for Fredrik Eklund:

WHAT?

 

Jeana Keogh was a cast member in the first few seasons of RHOC.  She is also a real estate agent. 

[Emmeline]

10 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I have thought that he doesn't look or act like himself this season. He has lost a good bit of weight and he is not drinking. Maybe he looked back at how he acted last season and decided to make a change. He almost look like he is depressed. And if he really spent $9,000,000 on a whim for that dilapidated house then I question what state of mind he is in. 

I thought his body looked thin but his face seemed bloated.  I’m glad he’s not drinking.

[heatherchandler]

2 hours ago, ML89 said:

So who is this person? The whole "I create content" stuff was right out of a House Hunters International.

Okay, the huge house with the marble. I was cringing at all the food and drinks being slung around to stain the marble. Also, that "developer" was creepy and how does he make money, because buying a house for 15, spending 7 to update it and then selling it for 24 is garbage math. He grosses $2 mil and probably less than 1 after all the fees, etc, come out.

 

Jeana Keough was (blink and you miss her) at the stupid marble house party.  She was a real housewife of OC, and is a realtor.

The marble house scares me, for some reason I picture all the marble caving in on the home dwellers!

 

[Cheyanne11]

15 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

The marble house scares me

It just made everything seem so sterile.  Very mauseleum-like.

Also, god save me from Altman, in the year of our lord 2024, still describing every property as 'sick.'  

Shout out to Tracy for her bravery at taking a lowly $4M listing.  Not all heroes wear capes.

[65mickey]

On 7/25/2024 at 8:58 PM, heatherchandler said:

Oh - Jeana Keough sighting!!  Was that her husband with her?  He looked familiar.

Jeana's husband was Matt Keough who died a few years ago. They were separated for years. I don't believe she has remarried. She is one housewife that I would love to see back on the OC. 

Edited July 28 by 65mickey