S04.E07: The Poison Inside Us

[WendyCR72]

Looks like someone wanted to update the S4 (how ironic, same season, different time!) ER episode, "Exodus", complete with elevator patient mishap. (Commentary mine alone!)

The hospital is forced to evacuate when a toxic chemical is brought into the E.D., leaving patients and the staff in grave danger. Stuck in an elevator, Dr. Charles and Dr. Manning are forced to take drastic measures with a pregnant woman. Goodwin is tasked with making difficult choices and Dr. Rhodes discovers a secret that Dr. Bekker has been holding from him.

[Reality police]

Really, really, all those people outside and no one has an epi pen in their purse? 

Another thing, how long does it take for another ambulance can there? 

[Fireball]

Why am I still watching this?  oh right the pretty men...

[rhys]

I thought C section cuts were made across.

[SuzieQ]

Rhodes and what's her face make the worst couple!  A whole hour and that's all I got!

[izabella]

VA doc is back!  Yay!  I liked her so much more with Ethan than April.  Of course, now April is jealous.  As she should be.  She took Choi completely for granted.  I am rooting for VA doc.

I missed whatever happened to the gangster.  Did he get his MRI? 

The c-section was over the top.

[preeya]

23 minutes ago, izabella said:

The c-section was over the top.

The entire episode was over the top. 

George Steinbrenner should be fired. Choi should be dead. Manning should just go home. Will is a complete idiot. April doesn't know up from down or right from left. The fake O.R. couple is a farce. And this entire show is a pile of shit.

[mysticalflute]

I have to say, I didn't think Dr. Charles was THAT strong to pull open the elevator doors like that. And even though the c-section was over the top I still have to turn my head away when watching them at all. I don't watch much of the actual "medical" stuff on the show, lol.

I do agree with Will though - he's a doctor and his patient couldn't answer what month it was. He took an oath to help people and Ray needed help. I know he messed up on the case but... I see Will's point too.

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I miss Emily already. I really liked her character.

 

"Dr. Charles. You lied to me."

"Yes, I did."

I loved that line. I don't care how ridiculous the episode was.

[preeya]

2 hours ago, izabella said:

VA doc is back! 

Is VA doc the same actress that played an FBI agent on Shooter?

[Netfoot]

When I was a student, one of my lecturers told a true story about when he was a factory inspector.

The last item on his checklist for this particular factory, was the drain near the main gate.  Two strong men from the factory, equipped with hooks, came with him to help with the manhole cover.  As he stood back with his clipboard, the men lifted the manhole cover... and one promptly did a header, straight through the hole, into the drain.  The second man said "What are you doing, Harry?"  He leaned over to look down... and promptly did a header, straight through the hole, into the drain.

"That," said my lecturer, "is when I dropped the clipboard and ran like fuck!"

One whiff of cyanide gas, and those two young, strong men were instantly dead, while still standing upright.

But of course, in Chicago, they don't have good cyanide!

[sadie]

I will watch any and all medical shows (Greys, Night Shift, New Amsterdam, Code Black, ER, Good Doctor, Chicago Med) no matter it seems how bad but tonight’s ep tested my dedication.

Will, quit being such a puss, my god I wanted to reach thru the tv and scream. The trope mafia thugs giving him a hard time about the mob dad being stuck inside was ridiculous and Will should have told them to STFU, I know they’re not supposed to be bright but, cmon. And the police people, why he didn’t tell them your sting operation is going to be worthless if this guy DIES? It wasn’t like he had a hangnail and Will was overreacting. He was having a fucking stroke.

The c section was utterly ridiculous. I thought c sections were pretty serious “operations” but apparently they can be done by a non surgeon and a shrink, with no anesthesia on a dirty floor of a mid renovation space with no light and no medical supplies. That lady would have been screaming in pain and well, dead.

April continues to be a whiny pain in the ass. Choi deserves so much better. Is there anything this girl doesn’t bitch about.

The special surgery where bland lady doctor hooks herself up as a blood source WHILE assisting with the surgery. Gah! 

My dog could probably turn out a better script if I gave her a typewriter. Ugh.

[Guildford]

24 minutes ago, sadie said:

 

The special surgery where bland lady doctor hooks herself up as a blood source WHILE assisting with the surgery. Gah! 

Please tell me this didn't happen? 

[sadie]

4 minutes ago, Guildford said:

Please tell me this didn't happen? 

Oh indeed it did. But it all ended well after she passed out and woke up fine and Dr Hottie gave her a Snickers bar and they kissed. This stuff just writes itself. 

[watcher1006]

54 minutes ago, sadie said:

The special surgery where bland lady doctor hooks herself up as a blood source WHILE assisting with the surgery. Gah! 

 

28 minutes ago, Guildford said:

Please tell me this didn't happen? 

Just HOW MUCH blood is needed for the surgery that Rhodes was doing? More than one unit, I imagine. I've seen people pass out during blood drives trying to donate even one. Okay not everyone is the same but this one was too much.

[Janie430]

C-sections are serious operations, but there was a case of one being performed by a mother on herself to get the baby out.  And the hip to hip cut is called a bikini cut and it's more complicated than the traditional vertical incision.  You do the bikini incision because the scar is neater, you're cutting across the lower part of the uterus which is thinner, and reduces the risk of bleeding and uterine rupture in future pregnancies.  I think you do the vertical when you want to get the baby out fast, and you need more room to work.  So in an emergency scenario, I can see doing the vertical cut.

[TVForever]

April is awful. Was anyone else wishing she would have been overcome with the fumes when she did her "heroic" dash back into the ER? 

[preeya]

34 minutes ago, Janie430 said:

C-sections are serious operations, but there was a case of one being performed by a mother on herself to get the baby out.  And the hip to hip cut is called a bikini cut and it's more complicated than the traditional vertical incision.  You do the bikini incision because the scar is neater, you're cutting across the lower part of the uterus which is thinner, and reduces the risk of bleeding and uterine rupture in future pregnancies.  I think you do the vertical when you want to get the baby out fast, and you need more room to work.  So in an emergency scenario, I can see doing the vertical cut.

All that said, who, where, and with what was the mother stitched or did they just use duck tape???

This is more like a Medical Comedy than a drama. Some of these plots belong on SNL.

[Ohwell]

1 hour ago, TVForever said:

April is awful. Was anyone else wishing she would have been overcome with the fumes when she did her "heroic" dash back into the ER? 

Choi looked really happy to see VA doc, so I hope this is where it's going and he dumps April.  I hope Choi doesn't feel guilty if he wants to end the relationship with her, just because she made that mad dash back into the ER to help save him.   

Also, I don't think we've seen the last of Emily and her boyfriend.  I have a feeling that she'll have an accident on the road while driving to Vegas, she'll lose the baby and he'll get killed. 

[preeya]

11 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Also, I don't think we've seen the last of Emily and her boyfriend.  I have a feeling that she'll have an accident on the road while driving to Vegas, she'll lose the baby and he'll get killed. 

This could very well happen. The twist could be that he gets drunk and takes the wheel. When they were packing the car I said to myself this won't end well.

[rhys]

2 hours ago, preeya said:

All that said, who, where, and with what was the mother stitched or did they just use duck tape???

 

Duck tape. Brava!

[Xantar]

I noticed that the listed director on this episode is Milena Govich. Last time I saw her, she was a detective on Law & Order Mothership. I guess she’s going into directing now, and good for her.

[Mrs Shibbles]

I was wondering why no one smelled Almonds with the cyanide gas, but I guess that’s too much for the writers to come up with. 

Edited November 8, 2018 by Mrs Shibbles
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[Ohwell]

2 hours ago, rhys said:

Duck tape. Brava!

I just came back from Home Depot and there actually is a brand called "Duck" tape. 

[preeya]

1 hour ago, Ohwell said:

I just came back from Home Depot and there actually is a brand called "Duck" tape. 

Yep, I use it all the time.

[NWFan2014]

8 hours ago, TVForever said:

April is awful. Was anyone else wishing she would have been overcome with the fumes when she did her "heroic" dash back into the ER? 

I snickered during that part 'cause I was thinkin'  'oh look, April pulled a House maneuver' 

[WendyCR72]

The ER take, even 20 years old (ouch!) was better, to me.

[WinJet0819]

Has anyone else noticed how the guest stars from the other Chicago shows seem to be forced into Med for no other purpose than just being there. I've watched a lot of Chicago Fire, and I have not once seen Squad do Hazmat work. In last week's Fire episode, they had to radio to have a Hazmat team come to decontaminate a building.  Seeing Boden, Cruz, and the rest of squad just made no sense. And Hermann is the Lieutenant on Engine now. Why is he there? Same goes for Hailey from Chicago PD. A guy wanting to die with cyanide and causing an outbreak in an ER  warrants a detective from Intelligence? And this is after constantly seeing someone from Intelligence called to Med to take away a parent who's kidnapped their child or has an open arrest warrant from another state in multiple episodes over the past few years. 

I know they'd like to incorporate different characters into all of the shows, but it should actually make logical sense as to why they are there.

[Netfoot]

6 hours ago, WinJet0819 said:

I know they'd like to incorporate different characters into all of the shows, but it should actually make logical sense as to why they are there.

Stop and think what you're saying.  This is the "Chicago ☆" universe!

[SunnyBeBe]

I'm just sick of catastrophic events inside the ED, like poisons, killers on rampage, bombs, contagions, overcrowding to the point that 2 people must share ventilator, etc. Enough already.  

[alexvillage]

April running inside the hospital and covering her nose and mouth was ridiculous. That's not how exposure works. Hold your breath will not save you.

Then she goes outside and needs to get cleaned up but like all the other people she comes back with her hair dry, wearing the same clothes. I am old enough that I remember that Woody Allen movie, The Purple Rose of Cairo, where the character would jump out of the screen and his hair would never get messed up, even after fights. That's April. Only that she is more cartoonish

And again, her expression doesn't change. No emotions. Only lashes.

And the unicorn doctor performs the miracle of life! Sorry, I don't know her name but she is so perfect, she is magical. The surgery was a bit much and the mother didn't even pass out with pain, so I guess Dr. Charles might have performed some hypnosis on her? 

I am old enough that I remember that Woody Allen movie, The Purple Rose of Cairo, where the character would jump out of the screen and his hair would never get messed up, even after fights. That's April. Only that she is more cartoonish

[Ohwell]

19 minutes ago, alexvillage said:

And again, her expression doesn't change. No emotions. Only lashes.

I first saw this "actress" on America's Top Model.  All I can say is, she's damn lucky to be getting paid to be on any show because her acting is awful.  

[Epeolatrix]

20 hours ago, Mrs Shibbles said:

I was wondering why no one smelled Almonds with the cyanide gas, but I guess that’s too much for the writers to come up with. 

Cyanide sometimes is described as having a “bitter almond” smell, but it does not always give off an odor, and not everyone can detect this odor. –CDC's Facts About Cyanide

[SunnyBeBe]

Natalie just gets on my nerves continuing to badger Will about what he's hiding.  It's such a lame story, that I really don't care.  I guess he's trying to save himself and protect her safety, so he keeps the mission a secret.  Part of me wants her to get involved and those guys take her out.  I REALLY don't care for her character, no matter how many lives she saves, she annoys me to no end. Someone upthread asked where her child is now days.  Anyone know? Did they write him out or is he being cared for in another town? 

[limecoke]

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This is more like a Medical Comedy than a drama. Some of these plots belong on SNL

Truth be told, this show might be funnier than SNL.

Did they mention any sort of anesthetic for this Caesarean?  I didn’t hear them say so and I wondered why the woman wasn’t screaming in pain as Manning sliced her open.  That entire storyline was ludicrous but it wasn’t the main joke because...

...ding ding ding, the whole Dr. Beard and Dr. Boring fantasy while operating on that poor man in the hybrid was laugh-out-loud silly.  Seriously, from the beginning this show has bordered on the questionable but this season is beyond ridiculous.  I’d love to know if any doctors or nurses watch this nonsense for a good laugh.  It would be fun to know because literally nothing rings true to me. 

Doesn’t cyanide kill instantly?  Isn’t that why all the Nazi’s carried it around in their pockets?  Or have I watched too many movies?

One last time-who is writing this crap?

[izabella]

1 hour ago, limecoke said:

Did they mention any sort of anesthetic for this Caesarean?  I didn’t hear them say so and I wondered why the woman wasn’t screaming in pain as Manning sliced her open.  That entire storyline was ludicrous but it wasn’t the main joke because...

There was a point before any surgery was going on when Manning said, "Her Haldol is wearing off."  I'm not sure I heard the name of the drug correctly, but it sort of sounded like that.  Maybe it was Demerol?

I didn't notice them giving her anything at any point after that, but  I may have missed it.

Edited November 10, 2018 by izabella

[Netfoot]

25 minutes ago, izabella said:

Maybe it was Demerol?

I seem to recall the word Lidocaine being used.  But this show is so OTT they could have used toothpicks as acupuncture needles to block the pain, and I would have accepted it with the same ease I would have accepted them coshing her with a pipe wrench.

[Reality police]

29 minutes ago, izabella said:

There was a point before any surgery was going on when Manning said, "Her Haldol is wearing off."  I'm not sure I heard the name of the drug correctly, but it sort of sounded like that.  Maybe it was Demerol?

I didn't notice them giving her anything at any point after that, but  I may have missed it.

He did say haldol, it is an antipsychotic, used to treat schizophrenia among other things.

[preeya]

13 minutes ago, Reality police said:

He did say haldol, it is an antipsychotic, used to treat schizophrenia among other things.

The haldol (sp) was requested by Charles while the woman was still in the ER going through her bipolar episode in order to calm her down.  I don't recall them administering any anesthetic before butchering her stomach. 

[Ailianna]

THey did talk about administering lidocaine.  I don't think they showed it, but there was a line about it, and about not having as good a pain killer as they wanted.

[preeya]

20 hours ago, Ailianna said:

THey did talk about administering lidocaine.  I don't think they showed it, but there was a line about it, and about not having as good a pain killer as they wanted.

The mention of lidocaine was one of the lies Charles told when he made the fake phone call to Dr. Grant. At the time, when they broke out of the stalled elevator, they were on an abandoned floor that was under construction, with no medical supplies. The butchered incision was made with no anesthetic.  As I said in a previous post this scene would have been better served on SNL.

Edited November 10, 2018 by preeya

[DebbieM4]

On 11/8/2018 at 8:58 AM, sadie said:

Oh indeed it did. But it all ended well after she passed out and woke up fine and Dr Hottie gave her a Snickers bar and they kissed. This stuff just writes itself. 

If I didn't see it with my own eyes, there is no way I would believe that this happened exactly as you described.  Hilarious!!

[DebbieM4]

On 11/8/2018 at 10:15 AM, preeya said:

All that said, who, where, and with what was the mother stitched or did they just use duck tape???

This is more like a Medical Comedy than a drama. Some of these plots belong on SNL.

Absolutely.  I generally like this show, and I don't usually agree with much of the criticism that I see here.  But in this episode I think I saw what posters here have been seeing all along.  There were a few moments when it was so ludicrous that it seemed like a parody of itself.  And it actually reminded me of some medical show skits that SNL has done.  It's not a good sign when viewers are thinking "SNL" in the middle of what's supposed to be an especially riveting episode.  

[alexvillage]

17 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Natalie just gets on my nerves continuing to badger Will about what he's hiding.  It's such a lame story, that I really don't care.  I guess he's trying to save himself and protect her safety, so he keeps the mission a secret.  Part of me wants her to get involved and those guys take her out.  I REALLY don't care for her character, no matter how many lives she saves, she annoys me to no end. Someone upthread asked where her child is now days.  Anyone know? Did they write him out or is he being cared for in another town? 

Natalie! I can never remember her name. Thank you!

One more thing that annoys me in the show is this Will plot. The FBI (or is it the local police working with the FBI?) reaching far beyond anything to recruit a doctor who is violating not only his oath but also HIPAA, and going beyond anything ethical. I am not sure why the writers don't turn it around to denounce the only theme they have that is close to reality. Or maybe they want to make law enforcement super-duper awesome. Or maybe they want to make Will super-duper awesome. Either way, awful.

[starri]

On 11/7/2018 at 8:44 PM, Reality police said:

Really, really, all those people outside and no one has an epi pen in their purse? 

They were talking about racemic epi.  That's inhaled, not an injection.

On 11/8/2018 at 9:11 PM, WendyCR72 said:

The ER take, even 20 years old (ouch!) was better, to me.

"Exodus" is one of ER's best episodes.

This was one of Med's worst.

[spunky]

I so wanted Will to tell Natalie that his ucler is a direct result of being with her. The fake mafia storyline needs to end ASAP. I have more fun watching rats in the NYC subways than I do watching Becker and Rhodes. April needs to be alone for a very long time. April and Natalie have to be the two most annoying characters on this show, with their constant complaining.

[Netfoot]

12 hours ago, spunky said:

The fake mafia storyline needs to end ASAP.

As soon as he dies, the entire storyline will die with him.

[Fireball]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 8:06 PM, SuzieQ said:

Rhodes and what's her face make the worst couple!  A whole hour and that's all I got!

They have no chemistry! You wouldn't think it would be hard to find someone that had chemistry with Colin Donnell, but for me the show has had him in three different relationships and non of them have worked. Season 1) cliché of student hooking up with teacher. I think she was a second year and Rhodes was a first year, but same kind of thing. Either way IMO they didn't have chemistry. Season 2) Rhodes out of the blue hooks ups with Robin and I never got why he was interested. And then she goes cray cray.  I fan winked it as Rhodes was subconsciously trying to save his mom. They had better chemistry than Rhodes other 2 love interests, but I still didn't like them as a couple. Season 3) He has this cliché of I hate you but I secretly like you thing with Becker. And they have the worst chemistry of all! 

The only relationships of Rhodes that I have been interested in were his relationship with Dr. Downey and his relationship with Dr. Latham.

[cathmed]

Will try to keep this short and succinct regarding the characters in this episode.  Most of my thoughts while watching were just "hello no" so in no particular order (where's that eye-rolling emoji when you need it, *sigh*):

Sadly, looks like Bekker is here to stay. Guess the writers felt she had to redeem herself after betraying Rhodes and getting the father to pay for the new surgery-op room.   Just HELL NO to their relationship.   I was actually hoping she would meet her demise during the transfusion but, of course, that didn't happen.    Agree with others - there's is ZERO chemistry between them, is just maddening to watch,  and it's simply painful when they're together.  Wish they'd bring back Robin but that doesn't look like a possibility.

HELL NO:  Manstead - What a pitiful, pathetic couple.   Him - with an ulcer he didn't realize he had?  Isn't he a dr?   Guess all of his stress over the mafia guy (or whoever he is) is taking a toll.   And hold on a minute - isn't Manning a pediatric oncologist or at least some specialist in pediatrics?   While I realize she's not an OB-GYN, it was a bit incredulous for Dr. Charles--who hasn't performed a delivery since med school--an probably NOT a c-section--talks she through a C-Section?   I've had C-sections and it's major surgery--certainly not as simple as they showed and with limited tools!    Now, I'd think she'd be a bit more knowledgeable with recent procedures but for him to actually talk her through the procedure so she could regain her confidence was just a bit far fetched.   At this rate, they SHOULDN'T get married which was a stupid idea anyway.

HELL NO:  End the relationship with Choi and April.   I was so happy to see his former gf return although I'm certain that will be short lived.  At least they had some spark between them.  April's indecisiveness about their relationship, his sister (who I hope has made an exit from the show), is just infuriating.   They should have never gotten together and don't need to see the angst that is certainly, forthcoming.

These writers better make a u-turn quickly as this show is on a runaway path!

[cathmed]

On 11/8/2018 at 3:06 PM, Mrs Shibbles said:

I was wondering why no one smelled Almonds with the cyanide gas, but I guess that’s too much for the writers to come up with. 

To paraphrase from another show I  used to love, "don't ruin the story with your logic!"

[Chick2Chic]

I posted something in the Media thread, but I think the show is 100% in support of Rhodes and Bekker. On paper, it's fine but as executed it's a flop because the two actors have no chemistry together. They have some of the worst looking kisses too. There is some support for them on social media though I am not sure why.

Anywho, I am one of the few who likes Chexton. I like the actors chemistry... but IA about the writing for them and moreso, April. It's problematic and frustrating a lot of the time. I want it to improve but the writers aren't trying very hard to do better. LOL that Ethan hadn't updated his emergency contact info.