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"The View": Week Of 10/1/2018


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9 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

There is a difference between having a respectful debate with someone who has differing views than giving a platform to someone who will simply argue their beliefs without respecting yours.  Bannon probably understood the ground rules when agreeing to appear on Real Time.  If he had said something Maher didn't like he could have just said OK thank you for coming and ended the interview.  But if Bannon is at an event he could say whatever he wanted and it wouldn't be so easy to get him to shut up.

There's no reason why other events can't arrange the same thing as what Bill Maher's people did. Any event can impose parameters in regards to the discussion topics and have a moderator or two in place to keep the speaker accountable. You can extend invitations saying 'we welcome diverse opinions but not opinions or values that are embedded within hate, racism, bigotry, etc. so if your commentary attempts to violate those standards, your microphone gets cut and security will quickly escort you out'. Done. Instead of right wing groups reaching out and giving these speakers platforms (where there is no moderation and there is often the intent to be controversial), more left minded people should do it and moderate the conversation. In fairness, I wouldn't give the likes of Jones or Milos any kind of platform under any circumstance because I think they have crafted an image solely for the purpose of being confrontational and controversial.

But to the larger discussion, conversations don't have to happen in front of cameras or a large audience. Banon seems to think he's a white protectionist rather than an anti-Semitic, I would love to know if Banon would ever accept an invitation from a Jewish community to have dinner at the Synagogue and have conversation.

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57 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Kanye West stopped being good after College Dropout and I don't care what anyone says, I'll stand by that opinion. His music used to stand for substance and talk about real issues in the world and has been denigrated to autotune and lyrics that can't hold a candle to his earlier work back when he was sane and had someone who was willing to show him tough love and true love - his mother. Now he's forever a victim and saying stupid shit all of the time and thinking he's the smartest man on earth.

I found my physical copy of the album the other day. Listened to it and internally weeped at what's become of him. Two completely different Kanye's. 

57 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Matt Damon's portrayal on SNL was hilarious. I missed the days when these shows was about life imitating art. Now all comedy is about art imitating life.

This. 100 percent agree.

And like everyone else, I'm disappointed that Meghan will be coming back next week. Abby is mostly tolerable. The vibe at the table is much more relaxed without Meghan there. I'm worried about how much of that will change next week but we'll see.

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The return of Meghan  .... just what the worlds been waiting for.  Let the lack of celebrations begin !

Get ready for all the guests to be tripping over themselves with their praise for her and her father. Everything we've heard before will be nothing compared to what's coming.

Who knows ? She might be a totally different person ..... but I doubt it. We're just about due for a good shrieking match.

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I'm glad they announced Meh-gun's return ahead of time so I can enjoy these last days of a View that's still watchable, without the screaming, huffing and puffing, putting words in other co-hosts' mouths they didn't say, bursting into tears because the table doesn't bend to her will, etc. I'm sure Abby will match her shriek for shriek.

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Mullally and her husband were hilarious. Sunny looked great in her outfit today and I agreed with her that the kind of evil and hatred pushed by Stephen Bannon should not be given a platform by anyone with any decency. I even cheered Whoopi on when she was telling off Kanye. Joy mentioned SNL being the end of Palin, but, looking back now, I can't help thinking the fact that she was a woman had more to do with it since male lunatics make it by in this world just fine. See Kanye, for just one of many examples.

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I'm not a fan of the Irwins and was creeped-out by bats until a golf-ball-sized hailstorm when migrating brown bats all took cover on the rock walls of the local river. ~100 were all resting/sleeping mid-afternoon at eye height so I could look at them from ~2' away and they'd open one eye, see we were doing no harm and go back to sleep.  They looked like cute little deer mice with wings.  

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I predict that for Meghan's first two days back on The View she will look constipated from being frustrated.  The third day she will have mild outbursts, but maintain some restraint. After that she will go right back to being batshit crazy.

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17 hours ago, Alexis2291 said:

I found my physical copy of the album the other day. Listened to it and internally weeped at what's become of him. Two completely different Kanye's. 

This. 100 percent agree.

And like everyone else, I'm disappointed that Meghan will be coming back next week. Abby is mostly tolerable. The vibe at the table is much more relaxed without Meghan there. I'm worried about how much of that will change next week but we'll see.

 

I honestly feel that it all ties back to his mother's death. I wish he would consider therapy rather than thinking he can solve the world's problems by listening to voices in his head that are truth when the reality is that he can't even solve his own problems.

Abby doesn't strike me as someone who wants to be confrontational and aggressive and is trying to subdue that temperament because she's the 'new' girl or the only Republican at the table. I think that she has a good balance right now of sharing her opinion but also sharing the time with her co-hosts so that they can all speak freely with their views. I suspect that the biggest change with Meghan there will be that Abby may step in more often to moderate and support Meghan's point of view to the others but do so in a less bullish way than how Meghan speaks. I'd be really surprised if she turned mean girl or got aggressive in her approach just because Meghan's there.

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Abby's hair looks ridiculous.  And today she's flipped her opinion again. It must be even days = pro Kavanaugh (and Trump), odd days = pro Ford. 

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Words cannot describe how much IDGAF about Ann Coulter.

Good on Sunny for laying the facts out for Abby.

7 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Abby's hair looks ridiculous.  And today she's flipped her opinion again. It must be even days = pro Kavanaugh, odd days = pro Ford. 

I'm sorry but Donny Jr.'s fake outrage about "I worry about my sons since everyone is getting falsely accused of rape" is ridiculous. Was it Sunny or Joy who pointed out how RARE it is for someone to be falsely accused? I think it was Sunny. It's just ridiculous.

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Come on, Whoopi. "Pacific" is an actual word; it means peaceful. Do they get their cards ahead of time? Whoopi often looks thrown or surprised by her blue cards.  As usual, even though Whoopi says a lot that I agree with, I don't like her woman-centric approach to sexual harassment.  Yes, victims should have each other's backs, but harassment needs to not happen in the first place. I feel she never, ever makes that point.

Shallow note: Abby's party streamer hair festoon is distracting. It's as if Abby does at least one thing per day (bright white eyeliner, ginormous earrings, clashing lip color, etc) to ruin her pretty looks.

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20 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said:

I'm sorry but Donny Jr.'s fake outrage about "I worry about my sons since everyone is getting falsely accused of rape" is ridiculous. Was it Sunny or Joy who pointed out how RARE it is for someone to be falsely accused? I think it was Sunny. It's just ridiculous.

Like I posted elsewhere in another thread when this was reported:

BOO-FUCKING-HOO.

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18 minutes ago, Vanderboom said:

Come on, Whoopi. "Pacific" is an actual word; it means peaceful. Do they get their cards ahead of time? Whoopi often looks thrown or surprised by her blue cards.  As usual, even though Whoopi says a lot that I agree with, I don't like her woman-centric approach to sexual harassment.  Yes, victims should have each other's backs, but harassment needs to not happen in the first place. I feel she never, ever makes that point.

Shallow note: Abby's party streamer hair festoon is distracting. It's as if Abby does at least one thing per day (bright white eyeliner, ginormous earrings, clashing lip color, etc) to ruin her pretty looks.

 

I HATE Abby's hair. Not just today . Everyday  I tune in. I used to laugh when some of you would complain about MM ugly ass braids. I would think the braids are the least of her problems. Well I feel your pain, I understand how hair can distract a person. It's so damn  shiny and seems oddly fake.  Like barbie hair.  Lol. Sorry but that weird little bit of hair hanging from the side of her face pushed me over the edge.

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On 9/30/2018 at 7:36 AM, Badbea99 said:

I agree.  But I can't help but think that The Bereaved One may have demanded there be no guest co-hosts during her leave.  That's why we're seeing her included in the opening each day, just so we don't forget she's still part of the show.  Unfortunately, I do think she carries a lot of 'weight' around there these days.

 

I don't think McCan't has that much pull at all. I'm pretty sure it was a (a) a decision to let the audience get to know Abby; (b) a cost-driven decision; (c) influenced by the fact that their prior subs/co-hosts/parttimers Sara and Paula have moved on; (d) out of respect, as mentioned below, (but only by accident).

 

On 10/1/2018 at 9:48 AM, TV Diva Queen said:

I think there is no guest hosts out of respect.  I know they used guest hosts when Sarah was on maternity leave, but a bereavement leave just seems different.  I realize this doesn't make any sense.  :)  

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8 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I loved that Joy asked Abby to name five false accusations when she was smearing all women who come forward, and then Abby shifted gears when she couldn't come up with more than one example.

She also defended the President's rallies as being necessary because the media refuses to focus on the good that he has done.  

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2 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

She also defended the President's rallies as being necessary because the media refuses to focus on the good that he has done.  

And then Joy got a good crack in about the way he's made press conferences a rarity in contrast to past presidents--deliberately withholding information from the media.

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3 hours ago, Haleth said:

Abby's hair looks ridiculous.  And today she's flipped her opinion again. It must be even days = pro Kavanaugh (and Trump), odd days = pro Ford. 

There is no need to for Abby to pick sides. Both testimonies were believable. Only Ford and Kavanaugh know the truth for certain. I personally don’t think the FBI investigation will solve anything. Whatever the result, one side or the other will complain and find excuses not to respect it. America is very polarized right now. It’s too bad.

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The topic was Trump's overt misogyny towards female reporters and Abby pivoted to:  but poor Trump isn't getting credit for all of the good stuff he does, and he wants to talk policy.  As Whoopi attempted to point out, the reporter hadn't even asked a question yet, when she was rudely insulted by the Assaulter in Chief.  That was the topic.  Sigh.

Abby also seemed annoyed when Whoopi rambled on about something else, cannot recall now.  She sat there looking stone-faced.

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1 hour ago, bannana said:

 

Abby also seemed annoyed when Whoopi rambled on about something else, cannot recall now.  She sat there looking stone-faced.

She's not the only one who gets annoyed when Whoopie rambles on and on and on.

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I am bored with assault and Kavanaugh.  Not saying I don't care, I am just feeling saturated today. 

Joy had a producer in her ear telling her to move Illeana on.  Illeana didn't pick up on it so she got several, 'so then what happened,' from Joy.  :^) 

Meredith was a fabulous moderator.  There is no one there to ground the show anymore.  

God the Cricky bunch is annoying.  

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1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

Abby can't have it both ways. You can't say you support women coming forward about sexual assault but then you argue for the man who may be falsely accused (when statistics show that is rarely the case). You can't say you support women coming forward about sexual assault when you think the letter of the law can be applied with the need for physical evidence in crimes that often leave no physical evidence or witnesses in wake. You can't say you support women coming forward about sexual assault when it's a he said/she said situation and yet you put the entire onus on the woman to PROVE she's telling the truth while not enough onus on the man's credibility. Seriously, a man's credibility is going to be leveraged on his ability to choke back tears (while none ever emits from his tear ducts) while he talks about having good parents, good grades, a wife and children and that's all somehow proof that he's incapable of assault? 

I think this is a common misunderstanding among people. It's not always partisan, but sometimes it feels like it. I think when conservative or center-right people like Abby say they support women coming forward, they're almost exclusively talking about women going to the police and reporting these incidences. They're saying we should have an environment conducive to women being able to get the justice they deserve if they're telling the truth, but also one that signifies an exoneration of the accused if the claims are not true. Increasingly, it seems like "coming forward" is almost defined in every way except actually going to the police. A lot of people think it's important to turn this kind of thing into a matter of National Conversation, and I agree to an extent, but the pendulum might have swung too far in one direction. National Conversation is fine if we're just talking and trading stories and ideas; it's probably not the best way to address these sensitive topics when actual people and actual incidences are being discussed. The amount of license one would have in the former isn't really fair in the latter.

Never mind that many women are raped and have a backlog of rape kits that have yet to be tested and their attackers are still out there roaming...never mind that many women suffer in silence out of fear of not being believed and live in a society that tells them it's their fault, and never mind that so many women tell the truth and have always lived in a patriarchal society that assumes she's a liar with ulterior motives. Even when a woman seeks justice, the letter of the law is on the side of the man who only has to sit there and let the woman prove without a shadow of a doubt that he's guilty which is no easy task - many woman who step forward will never find the justice they seek even when the large majority of them are truthful accusations. So when I see a society that is becoming more willing to listen to the woman and the first response to this is 'But what about the men...how unfair'...my response to you is, you can go f yourself. Because no one who believes in justice and understands what women go through would ever ask for due process by saying 'what about the men'.

I think that's exactly what someone who believes in justice would ask. The law isn't there solely to address the grievances of one demographic and no one should want a world where people are presumed guilty or that someone enjoys more credibility because studies show they're probably not lying. BTW, there's no way for us to know how people lie about these things. The 2-5% figure that gets trundled out is based on the percentage of people who admit to lying or they catch in lie. Filing a false police report is in itself a crime so it stands to reason there aren't going to be that many people who do it. But if someone makes an accusation and the police don't feel the person is credible or they don't have enough evidence, they just won't file charges or take the matter to court.

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2 hours ago, Wings said:

I am bored with assault and Kavanaugh.  Not saying I don't care, I am just feeling saturated today. 

Joy had a producer in her ear telling her to move Illeana on.  Illeana didn't pick up on it so she got several, 'so then what happened,' from Joy.  :^) 

Meredith was a fabulous moderator.  There is no one there to ground the show anymore.  

God the Cricky bunch is annoying.  

I know time is of the essence on live TV but I hate how they rush people along. Clearly all they wanted to know today was the juicy stuff regarding iileana. I found it rude. Uh huh, uh huh, whatever  with the way you found yourself in that horrible situation, just get to the illicit stuff.  The panel can be so rude. If you’re going to discuss a serious subject make extra time so that you don’t come across as vultures ladies!

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Unfortunately Illena was aware of how long she would be on in that segment and should have shortened her description. I don't think of the panel as vultures at all. But I do agree that perhaps 2 segments should have been slotted for her.

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Hope no one's noticing there's SO MUCH LESS traffic here since Meghan has been gone.  SHHhhhhhhhh....

7 hours ago, bannana said:

Abby pivoted to:  but poor Trump isn't getting credit for all of the good stuff he does, and he wants to talk policy. 

Perhaps AH-bee needs to watch the press conferences led by Sara H. Sanders (probably a close friend of Ah's).  Sara spends the first few minutes spewing out all the fabulous accomplishments of the past few minutes - hours - days?   I'm sure if Sara wanted to, she could ask that all the reporters please stand and give a cheer for our President.

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I'm thinking the traffic here is less is not just because of MM on her extreme bereavement leave. Some, of course, but personally I am dreading her sympathy tour when she returns. The fragile tough and strong woman is not ready to return, imo. Her twitter has been nothing but about her father for the fast 5 weeks.

I think it is also because Sarah is no longer there to perk things up.....and Abby is boring. Actually annoying. And no Ana anymore.

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1 hour ago, maggiemae said:

I'm thinking the traffic here is less is not just because of MM on her extreme bereavement leave. Some, of course, but personally I am dreading her sympathy tour when she returns. The fragile tough and strong woman is not ready to return, imo. Her twitter has been nothing but about her father for the fast 5 weeks.

I think it is also because Sarah is no longer there to perk things up.....and Abby is boring. Actually annoying. And no Ana anymore.

I agree and oh shit about her twitter content.    moan

It has been boring because of recent events, too.  By the time they get to chew on the news it has already been beaten to death.   There are two main issues afoot and just how much can it be discussed without repeating the same things over and over and over.   Gah. 

Abby, you suck. 

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4 hours ago, 27bored said:

I think this is a common misunderstanding among people. It's not always partisan, but sometimes it feels like it. I think when conservative or center-right people like Abby say they support women coming forward, they're almost exclusively talking about women going to the police and reporting these incidences. They're saying we should have an environment conducive to women being able to get the justice they deserve if they're telling the truth, but also one that signifies an exoneration of the accused if the claims are not true. Increasingly, it seems like "coming forward" is almost defined in every way except actually going to the police. A lot of people think it's important to turn this kind of thing into a matter of National Conversation, and I agree to an extent, but the pendulum might have swung too far in one direction. National Conversation is fine if we're just talking and trading stories and ideas; it's probably not the best way to address these sensitive topics when actual people and actual incidences are being discussed. The amount of license one would have in the former isn't really fair in the latter.

 

 

I think that's exactly what someone who believes in justice would ask. The law isn't there solely to address the grievances of one demographic and no one should want a world where people are presumed guilty or that someone enjoys more credibility because studies show they're probably not lying. BTW, there's no way for us to know how people lie about these things. The 2-5% figure that gets trundled out is based on the percentage of people who admit to lying or they catch in lie. Filing a false police report is in itself a crime so it stands to reason there aren't going to be that many people who do it. But if someone makes an accusation and the police don't feel the person is credible or they don't have enough evidence, they just won't file charges or take the matter to court.

A large number of women who have come forward are women who experienced assault a long time ago and in many cases, the statue of limitations has run out. It's women coming out now and speaking in large numbers with the intent that they can help reshape the culture and taboos of women speaking out. These conversations are in large part trying to make it so that women will come forward in ways that include going to the police. 

No, someone who believes in justice does not say 'what about the men'. I categorically disagree with that sentiment in every way. Someone who believes in justice will say 'it's important for women to come forward and feel safe in reporting these events and having trust in the justice system that it will do its best to find justice...and it's also important that due process take place so that neither men or women are persecuted by public opinion in the absence of their stories being told and corroborating facts where it may apply'. It isn't justice to say that all women must be believed no matter what, just as it not justice to say that women coming forward and sharing their stories is somehow an attack on men and causes concerns for parents and their sons. 

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19 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

She also defended the President's rallies as being necessary because the media refuses to focus on the good that he has done.  

 

19 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:

And then Joy got a good crack in about the way he's made press conferences a rarity in contrast to past presidents--deliberately withholding information from the media.

Let's not kid ourselves.  No matter what Abby thinks Trump is not having rallies to inform his supporters of the policies he has enacted.  He has rallies to 1. Feed his ego and 2. To fire up his base.  And Joy was correct.  If Trump wanted the media to report his policies he would have a press conference and tell the media about his policies.            

 

And on a completely shallow note Abby's hair has already been mentioned but WTF was she wearing. And why was Sunny wearing a robe?                     

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Tara would have been the best person for the show. I like Ana, but preferred Tara's dynamic on the show more.

Abby is getting a bit more into the discussion, but whatever. She's still allowing others to speak so I'm okay with it. I did laugh at her facial expressions when the others were talk about how they don't want a text.

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26 minutes ago, JayD83 said:

I see Abby is amping herself up for when MM gets back Monday.  She's been more combative this week. 

I noticed that as well.  The "moderate" side of her seems to be disappearing quickly.

 

25 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said:

Anyway, this is the second time Joy has asked Abby for specific examples - this time for a specific senator who she alleges called Kavanaugh a "gang rapist" - and she stumbles on her words and can't answer.

Abby isn't on Fox anymore.  Joy isn't going to let her run off at the mouth saying things without the receipts to back up her allegations.

27 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said:

And going on her "both sides" spiel. 

She only says that when Republicans are being accused of playing politics.

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13 hours ago, maggiemae said:

I'm thinking the traffic here is less is not just because of MM on her extreme bereavement leave. Some, of course, but personally I am dreading her sympathy tour when she returns. The fragile tough and strong woman is not ready to return, imo. Her twitter has been nothing but about her father for the fast 5 weeks.

I think it is also because Sarah is no longer there to perk things up.....and Abby is boring. Actually annoying. And no Ana anymore.

This. I'd also guess that there are less comments because there's much less to complain about when McCain is out. It's easier to find something critical to say than something positive.

I guess I'd be happy with less comments if it meant a better, McCain-less show. I preferred Ana to Tara, but either of them would have been a world of a difference compared to two bland daughters-of-Republicans.

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14 hours ago, OpalNightstream said:

I know time is of the essence on live TV but I hate how they rush people along. Clearly all they wanted to know today was the juicy stuff regarding iileana. I found it rude. Uh huh, uh huh, whatever  with the way you found yourself in that horrible situation, just get to the illicit stuff.  The panel can be so rude. If you’re going to discuss a serious subject make extra time so that you don’t come across as vultures ladies!

I thought Joy did a good job, there is a limited amount of time in the program and the way Illeana was telling the story, we would have never got to the point.  She knew going in that this wasn't a one hour 60 minutes piece, she had like 2 minutes and if she wanted to get her point across, she needs to work on her delivery.  

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Ok couple things about the new promo 'see you on the View'

1.  Could Whoopi's delivery be any dryer? Heheheh i love it.  Could you see that set director, ok Whoopi your line...., before she ever finishes the direction, Whoopi says her line, dry as death valley, 1 take, boom, done & cut.

2.  The Meghan part at the end.  Walking out to the lone chair on the stage, no table etc, bathed in white light. Ok Im thinking 3 things. A. We are not going to get the balloons, streamers, standing ovations and applause, that we all are want to do snark.  B.  The audience will be gone.  She will speak to the black room.  She'll catch us the viewer up. But she will be somber and lost.  C.  Its a tribute chair that means she is now alone, reverse it to mean he will always be with her.

So there you go folks, write your own ending lol, p.s. still laughing at Whoopi. She couldnt have been more thrilled.  Dont hide it Whoop! Let it out!

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51 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I guess I'd be happy with less comments if it meant a better, McCain-less show. I preferred Ana to Tara, but either of them would have been a world of a difference compared to two bland daughters-of-Republicans.

 Anna and Tara were conservative women of color. You don't see that represented often in the media. Plus, they were sane, intelligent, empathetic human beings. Abby and Megan are interchangeable in my opinion, they bring nothing of value to the table.  

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1 hour ago, Alexis2291 said:

Can we comment on the stupidity of some of the tweets at the bottom of the screen?! Is that allowed? Just saw one really stupid tweet...

Thank goodness i dont know how to do that! LOL.  Id be thrown off the interweb for sure! Kidding. I know its the world wide net. LOLOL.  seriously though i wouldnt be able to control myself.  Im seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 'Shut Up MM!'

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1 minute ago, Tammee said:

Thank goodness i dont know how to do that! LOL.  Id be thrown off the interweb for sure! Kidding. I know its the world wide net. LOLOL.  seriously though i wouldnt be able to control myself.  Im seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 'Shut Up MM!'

I was referring to the tweets they often display on the bottom of the screen during the show, lol. I was wondering if we're allowed to comment about them here without getting a warning, seeing as it's technically part of the show although the co-hosts can't see what's being displayed...

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I am tired of the obviously partisan/tribal/whatever you wanna call it , Abby- bashing on this forum.  I like her. She's thoughtful, intelligent and articulate. Not every FOX alumn is a "bot". I save my vitriol for the truly deserving... Whoopi pops immediately to mind.

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