S08.E03: Unexpected/ S08.E04: Jinger and Jermey's Little Secret

[ginger90]

[cereality]

How unexposed are these people? You’re offered goat cheese and each person sniffs it first? If you don’t like it, that’s fine but realize that it is a fairly normal food so maybe don’t act like someone who has never left their home and tried anything before.  At least Josie scarfed it down.  Also how many pregnant chicks are in that family – maybe they should think twice and NOT eat the raw milk cheese? Do they even know about pasteurized vs. not?

Why is it necessary that the moment they start courting, their intended bride has to do their grooming? You need a beard trim – go to a barber.  They’ve probably done it before and use trimmers rather using a comb to hold the hairs on his face and then apply scissors directly to the face – wtf!?

He and Lauren – IDK – the amount of nervous chatter from him suggests to me he is REALLY trying to convince himself this marriage is a good thing.

And Austin – you’ve flipped FIVE homes to “prep” for a wife.  You really can’t spring for a bed frame? If you can’t, swallow your pride, go to the Duggars’ ‘shop’ where Joe got all his furniture and borrow one from there. And their idea of a babymoon is a yurt in 10 degree weather on a frozen lake where they will be scrapbooking, will try ice fishing though the mom says fish makes her sick, and wait for it – for extra pillows, they are bringing their own off their own bed to be used someplace people have rented communally? Let me guess the pillowcase doesn’t even get washed when they get home.

[flyingdi]

This show is funner than its been in years.

I am highly amused watching Jessa try her damndest to pretend she's laid back.

 "I'm his beard!" Or whatever nonsense Lauren was spouting was hilarious!

"You're squeezing my hands!". " That photo shoot took six or seven hours! "  Bravo more of the younger girls please!

[QuinnInND]

When they were trying the goat cheese. Whichever one said "Who can eat food like this?" or words to that effect. (I was trying to get my twin toddlers into bed, so I was half listening) Honey, we've been asking ourselves that for years when we've watched you eat TTC etc. Yuck. 

[woot]

Has Joy’s voice always been so nasily?  Her voice and commentary are so annoying, how is Austin not losing his shit every time she opens her mouth? She looked mystified when Austin mentioned Titanic. 

On another note... can Jana not do her own TH segments? How sad it is to see her paired up with the little girls for those. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by woot
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[mythoughtis]

Josiah can trim his own beard with trimmers. I have never trimmed my husbands beard, nor cut his hair. I have used the trimmers on the back of his neck when the barber didn’t do it.  

The yurt was cute. I think Joy knew what the yurt was but didn’t tell Austin. The ice fishing was not a good idea- and I think it was Hers.

Jinger and Jeremy continue to be the sane ones in the family. Followed, actually, by Jessa and Ben. The creamery was a nice kid friendly tour. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by mythoughtis
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[Soaper410]

I am dying laughing at how emotional and shocked everyone was by baby news.  I think the adults really don’t get that J &J were clearly family planning...they just seem to think it took them forever to get pregnant (aka like 14 months).

The pregnant boat cruise trip was idiotic

 

I thought it was weird Anna wasn’t at the photo shoot.  

2 minutes ago, woot said:

Has Joy’s voice always been so nasily? 

Michelle taught her how to speak...

[woodscommaelle]

Oh my god fucking help her out of the boat, you asshole.

I really don't think Austin likes Joy. It's sad. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by woodscommaelle

[woot]

First time I’ve ever heard the term mid-whiff-ery

[bigskygirl]

27 minutes ago, cereality said:

How unexposed are these people? You’re offered goat cheese and each person sniffs it first? If you don’t like it, that’s fine but realize that it is a fairly normal food so maybe don’t act like someone who has never left their home and tried anything before.  At least Josie scarfed it down.  Also how many pregnant chicks are in that family – maybe they should think twice and NOT eat the raw milk cheese? Do they even know about pasteurized vs. not?

Why is it necessary that the moment they start courting, their intended bride has to do their grooming? You need a beard trim – go to a barber.  They’ve probably done it before and use trimmers rather using a comb to hold the hairs on his face and then apply scissors directly to the face – wtf!?

He and Lauren – IDK – the amount of nervous chatter from him suggests to me he is REALLY trying to convince himself this marriage is a good thing.

And Austin – you’ve flipped FIVE homes to “prep” for a wife.  You really can’t spring for a bed frame? If you can’t, swallow your pride, go to the Duggars’ ‘shop’ where Joe got all his furniture and borrow one from there. And their idea of a babymoon is a yurt in 10 degree weather on a frozen lake where they will be scrapbooking, will try ice fishing though the mom says fish makes her sick, and wait for it – for extra pillows, they are bringing their own off their own bed to be used someplace people have rented communally? Let me guess the pillowcase doesn’t even get washed when they get home.

Raise your hand if you misread the first two sentences and thought something totally different. Heading to the Prayer Closet.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

4 minutes ago, QuinnInND said:

When they were trying the goat cheese. Whichever one said "Who can eat food like this?" or words to that effect. (I was trying to get my twin toddlers into bed, so I was half listening) Honey, we've been asking ourselves that for years when we've watched you eat TTC etc. Yuck. 

Was it Jason or Justin (is there a Justin?) that said it was very good. I was surprised. Obviously Joy has never seen a baby book despite what Jessa said. She’s always running interference and doing damage control for MOTY.  

Isn’t that the same meal Joy cooked when she and Noatrils first moved to the bang bus? Has she no other recipes?  

Man I don’t like Jeremy, but he is good with kids.  Still a smug bastard though.  

Poor Joy was huge.  Bless her heart.

If my husband invited my parents for our one year anniversary, I’d kick his ass! JB and the gang are cockblockers!  

[asuwur]

Almost the whole family need to see a good ENT and/or allergist. I realize that Joy had a cold during this episode and based on the previous episode, I suspect some antibiotics might be helpful at this point...however so many in this  family sound like they need to blow their nose all the time.

[woot]

Wow, going with a hospital birth that is planned for instead of done out of despiration for life saving measures.  Jinger and Jer, colour me impressed. Their midwife seems very capable as well. Much better than Dr. Jilly’s advice has ever been. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by woot

[Rabbittron]

You know it's a bad Monday night for TV when the best thing for me to watch it's counting on?

[flyingdi]

Spurgeon is ridiculously adorable!

[VioletNevermind]

I’m not accustomed to complimenting Duggars or Duggar-adjacent people, but I have to say, Ben is a pretty damn good dad.  He was definitely thrown into the deep end of the adulthood pool as compared to his peers, but he really seems to have taken to it all quite well, especially when you consider his age.

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Whew.  I just said something nice about this band of fools.  I need to take a minute to breathe my way through this.

Edited August 14, 2018 by SuzyLee
Michelle is still a selfish ass and Jim Boob is as irritating as ever. Okay, now I feel better.

[Rabbittron]

 the only thing I notice about Jinger is her raccoon eyes.

[Sew Sumi]

This is showing as S8E4 on my guide. 

[ginger90]

6 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

This is showing as S8E4 on my guide. 

I followed the format of the previous episode post. I think they went by Direct TV’s guide? It is the 4th episode. 

[Sew Sumi]

I checked TLC, and they're also listing it as S8E4.

[ginger90]

2 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I checked TLC, and they're also listing it as S8E4.

This is how the previous episode was listed:

So, I made this one 11. There’s a thread explaining why. 

[Sew Sumi]

I blame TLC for not properly labeling the first episode of this new season, thus creating this stupid clusterfuck.

[jcbrown]

4 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I blame TLC for not properly labeling the first episode of this new season, thus creating this stupid clusterfuck.

Not to mention exacerbating the stupid clusterfuck that is this family.

[cereality]

Either Jer is really really good at being on camera, or his parents just maybe raised a guy who at age 30 as a husband and father and man is just MATURE in a way that is normal and very unlike the Duggar side of his family. He said more than once unprompted after the baby arrived, how in awe he was of Jinger, how strong she is. And then when he and Jing are sitting in the bed with the baby, and TLC asked how he felt -- when he could look away from the baby -- he again talking about how strong Jing was and how much he appreciates what she did by bringing this child into the world and how he is so in awe of his own mother and all women/moms for their strength. Uh -- wow a mature man giving the woman some credit, rather than the -- I MADE a baby -- BS that JB and co. do.

And I'm not at all surprised that they were smart enough to have a hospital birth with drugs including an epidural and she pushed for 30 min with a first child. See Jilly, Joy and Jing -- this is what a birth that isn't a shit show looks like -- drs. tell you what they think you should do (induce; get the epidural etc.), you do it, and then it goes faster/better/safer. Jing looked pretty pale to me in the interviews after but since she didn't squat down and give birth in her living room, they probably ran labs right after and if she needs an iron supplement or even a transfusion, the drs. will recommend it and she'll do it. Unlike Princess Jessa who had to be rushed to the hospital and then breezily told everyone -- oh they just said to eat a lot of spinach.

[auntieminem]

It was nice to see Jinger picked midwife who really seemed to know what she was doing. It is good she is away from Duggarland.  The reveal to the Duggars vs Jeremy's parents says it all. The genuine sweetness vs another notch in the grandchild belt.   

[woodscommaelle]

Add a few pounds to Jinger and she looks just like Joy. 

[Squirrely]

Good for Jinger for not allowing the crew in during delivery. I always fear that the young women feel pressured/forced to do so. I'm extremely private so it's difficult for me to fathom wanting all of those people present. Hell, I was relieved to have to have a scheduled c-section and not have to hurt anyone's feelings by telling them to stay out! I only ever wanted my husband there. 

Can Michelle ever just speak like a normal fucking person? Of course she can't. I dont know why her robotic baby voice still drives me up the wall. 

I loved Ben's tactful comments about wanting to eat healthy again after getting married. One week of Jessa's canned, mushy, sodium laden Duggar slop was probably more than his digestive track could handle! 

The time hopping was weird. We go from Josiah having his nasty beard trimmed to him being clean shaven for the announcement. He and Lauren are sooo painfully awkward. 

[woot]

I like how last week we got to see Jing and Jer sit down with his parents for a nice freshly prepared meal, served on real dishes and eaten over polite conversation.  This week we got to watch them eat a Duggar Dinner... huge troughs of prepared foods and platters purchased at the local big box likely scarfed down after fighting for a place at their conference style dining table.

[answerphone]

I watched a few minutes of the show tonight, but then I noticed my brain cells were dwindling away, so I changed the channel. ?

[BitterApple]

I'm watching now, and how typical. Jana and Jessa are getting the girls ready for the photo shoot while Michelle is nowhere to be found. I also think Jeremy and Jinger arriving at the big house was a re-enactment. Michelle was all over the top with fake excitement while the sisters barely looked up from their curling irons when Jinger walked into the room. My guess is they got in the day before.

Joy's sick, congested, eight months pregnant and hates the smell of fish, so what better way to relax before the baby's born than to spend a few days in the freezing cold, ice fishing on a lake with no life jacket! Smart move, Joy!

Bin throwing shade at the Duggar diet was awesome.

Lauren and Si? So painfully awkward.

Edited August 14, 2018 by BitterApple

[cereality]

There was some shade from Bin re food. He mentioned how his parents raised him on healthy, fresh foods, lots of veggies and he got away from that WHEN HE MOVED OUT ON HIS OWN and started to get back to it after marriage. Translation — when I was living in the Duggar warehouse, I was grinning and bearing it in a house full of TTC and no fruits or veggies. The moment we got married and moved into a place with a kitchen — you can see footage of me making eggs and veggies. As much as he tries to blame “living on his own” — he moved from his parents to JB’s warehouse — it’s Duggar shade.

[woot]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

...Jinger arriving at the big house was a re-enactment. Michelle was all over the top with fake excitement while the sisters barely looked up from their curling irons when Jinger walked into the room. My guess is they got in the day before.

This ^^ I noticed the same thing.  The littles would be way more excited to see Jinger but they didn't bat an eye.  

[flyingdi]

I love that Ben is totally laid back but seems to be a health freak and Jessa is so uptight(that girl is wound!) but is still a slob.  It's like they are the total opposites of what they should be and it seems to work for them!

Jessa is more relaxed with  Ben than she's been with anyone since Jinger.

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[flyingdi]

Marriage Predictions

Joy/Austin- Not good.  Someday he's gonna wake and realize he always thought of Joy as one of those fun Duggar boys he hung out with.

Jinger/Jeremy-Good.  She adores him and he seems determined, at least, to prove he's worthy of that.  I think he's realizing he kind of adores her too.

Jill/Derick-Iffy.  Its going to take a lot for Jill to admit this life isn't everything she wanted.

Joe/Kendra-Very good.  They are both perfectly pleasant people who seem poised for a perfectly pleasant life together.

Jessa/Ben-Okay.  I think they are just realizing how compatible they are.

Josiah/Lauren-I got nothing except I think they could turn out to be the best of friends.  Sometimes that's enough, I guess.

Just my opinions but there you go.

Edited August 14, 2018 by flyingdi
Because proper English is a good thing!

[LexieLily]

4 hours ago, Soaper410 said:

I am dying laughing at how emotional and shocked everyone was by baby news.  I think the adults really don’t get that J &J were clearly family planning...they just seem to think it took them forever to get pregnant (aka like 14 months).

That could be a good thing. If they think that is how long it took naturally for Jinger to get pregnant it shouldn't raise red flags if it takes Jinger at minimum that long or even longer to get pregnant with the next one. Maybe it is just wishful thinking but I see Felicity being already 2 before they even think about having another.

[mythoughtis]

I was so happy to see Jeremy behaving like a normal person in his TH at the hospital. I especially liked his comments about how strong Jinger, his mom, and women in general were. He didn’t think about Michelle at that moment, and neither would a typical son in law.   Plus I think his opinion of his in laws as ‘missing a few screws’  was reinforced. 

It occurred to me that Laura was there because she could not be left at JBs without Michelle. Nor could she stay at any of the married offsprings as an unrelated female.  

Edited August 14, 2018 by mythoughtis

[winsomeone]

Why was Mac filmed with the little girls, and even got to talk? I have nothing against the child, but surely that meant a paycheck for dear old pervert Josh? And JB and Michelle are slowly worming their way back into every episode, and talking more too. Maybe we need the sponser list again..I thought they were boycotted off the air at one pont? And now it is okay to have them back? Before you know it Jill and Derect will be back too.

[Albanyguy]

37 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

I was so happy to see Jeremy behaving like a normal person in his TH at the hospital. I especially liked his comments about how strong Jinger, his mom, and women in general were. He didn’t think about Michelle at that moment, and neither would a typical son in law.   Plus I think his opinion of his in laws as ‘missing a few screws’  was reinforced. 

Over on the Duggar FB page, the leghumpers are ripping him a new one for so "disrespectful" and "hostile" to Michelle  and for favoring his own family over the holy Duggars. He's an evil influence on Jinger: he forced her to move away from her beloved family and rebel against their teachings, encouraged her to plan her own childbirth without consulting her mother and sisters and he and Jinger have even been promoting his mother's SWAN project on social media when they should be promoting Jinger's sisters' "Happy Heart" CD!

[Ohiopirate02]

33 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Over on the Duggar FB page, the leghumpers are ripping him a new one for so "disrespectful" and "hostile" to Michelle  and for favoring his own family over the holy Duggars. He's an evil influence on Jinger: he forced her to move away from her beloved family and rebel against their teachings, encouraged her to plan her own childbirth without consulting her mother and sisters and he and Jinger have even been promoting his mother's SWAN project on social media when they should be promoting Jinger's sisters' "Happy Heart" CD!

But isn't that what the daughters are supposed to do.  Leave and cleave, Ruth's your people are now my people, and other biblical stuff.  Jinger has a new headship, this was always going to happen with at least one of the daughters.

[flyingdi]

Michelle did 19 baby "calendars"?  Sorry I'm calling bull on that!  My mom did a full baby book on my brother, mine has like my name in it!  I always thought that was normal in most families.  LOL.

[andromeda331]

20 minutes ago, flyingdi said:

Michelle did 19 baby "calendars"?  Sorry I'm calling bull on that!  My mom did a full baby book on my brother, mine has like my name in it!  I always thought that was normal in most families.  LOL.

I can't see her doing that either. 

[VioletNevermind]

30 minutes ago, flyingdi said:

Michelle did 19 baby "calendars"?  Sorry I'm calling bull on that!  My mom did a full baby book on my brother, mine has like my name in it!  I always thought that was normal in most families.  LOL.

Haha, exactly.  I was the third of four babies in my family.  I'm pretty sure my baby book still has the plastic wrap on it!  For my mom, it came down to a choice: Do I sit here for 20 minutes and write about my baby daughter's first experience with solid food or do I change my other daughter's diaper, answer the phone, and pull my oldest daughter down from the curtains?  Then start dinner and another load of laundry?

[kokapetl]

11 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

 the only thing I notice about Jinger is her raccoon eyes.

She had legs in this episode. In Daily Mail parlance, she was “flaunting” them.

[ginger90]

I recall Michelle saying something along the lines of, time goes quickly, so make sure you take a lot of pictures when they’re babies.

There you have it. Don’t make the time count, take pictures.

I believe it was Jessa with her at the time.

[BitterApple]

35 minutes ago, flyingdi said:

Michelle did 19 baby "calendars"?  Sorry I'm calling bull on that!  My mom did a full baby book on my brother, mine has like my name in it!  I always thought that was normal in most families.  LOL.

I'm calling b.s. as well. Maybe she did it for the first few kids, but she completely checked out once the J'Slaves were old enough to run the house. If that was the case, where was Joy's baby calender? They only showed Austin's. If it existed you'd think Michelle would've handed it over to her at some point.

[Tikichick]

Jinger struck me as quite confident in all of her interactions with everyone in this episode, even Jeremy.  I get the sense she is blossoming and they are actually forming a true partnership.  Hopefully she lights the way for her sisters wherever possible. 

[kokapetl]

Does anyone else suspect that the Duggar TTH diet is now at least 75% cheap takeaway? 

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, flyingdi said:

Michelle did 19 baby "calendars"?  Sorry I'm calling bull on that!  My mom did a full baby book on my brother, mine has like my name in it!  I always thought that was normal in most families.  LOL.

I think It was actually referred to as ‘ the weekly calendar’.  Basically, the one on the wall with the doctor appointments, etc.  So, if she kept them, people would have to go thru  them to find anything about a specific child. 

[mythoughtis]

2 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

Over on the Duggar FB page, the leghumpers are ripping him a new one for so "disrespectful" and "hostile" to Michelle  and for favoring his own family over the holy Duggars. He's an evil influence on Jinger: he forced her to move away from her beloved family and rebel against their teachings, encouraged her to plan her own childbirth without consulting her mother and sisters and he and Jinger have even been promoting his mother's SWAN project on social media when they should be promoting Jinger's sisters' "Happy Heart" CD!

I didn’t see him as being disrespectful. I saw it as normal behavior. He is not as close to Michelle as to his own Mom. That’s normal. He doesn’t pretend his mom doesn’t exist nor that Michelle is the sainted mother. That’s also normal.   The Duggars are not a Borg collective- they don't get to assimilate everyone.  

I think he and Jinger did their best to have the childbirth experience they wanted. That’s their exclusive right- not Michelle’s. She doesn’t get to step all over them or the Voulo’s first grandchild experience. 

Do you ever wonder if Jinger or Jeremy  get stressed out at the Duggar home with all the noise and number of people? They seem perfectly happy in the quietness of their own home or at the Voulo’s. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by mythoughtis
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[lookeyloo]

5 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

I didn’t see him as being disrespectful. I saw it as normal behavior. He is not as close to Michelle as to his own Mom. That’s normal. He doesn’t pretend his mom doesn’t exist nor that Michelle is the sainted mother. That’s also normal.   The Duggars are not a Borg collective- they don't get to assimilate everyone.  

I think he and Jinger did their best to have the childbirth experience they wanted. That’s their exclusive right- not Michelle’s. She doesn’t get to step all over them or the Voulo’s first grandchild experience. 

Do you ever wonder if Jinger or Jeremy  get stressed out at the Duggar home with all the noise and number of people? They seems perfectly happy in the quietness of their own home or at the Voulo’s. 

And yet Jinger's "happiness" has been questioned here.  She's not really happy because Jeremy is so into himself and wanted a meek wife.  She isn't really happy because she doesn't have equal control with Jeremy, near as we can tell from the teevee.  I guess I am thinking that Jinger and Jeremy have worked out some sort of balance where they both are happy, at least on the teevee.  Of course that is a compressed version of their day to day lives and that could be a hundred percent different.  As much as Jeremy seems to love himself, he does seem enamored with Jinger and while we will never know the real story, she has done things differently than the rest of her family.  And if we live our lives *thinking* we are happy, are we?  Anyway, just throwing that out there.