S07.E00: Teen Mom OG Finale Special: Check-Up with Dr. Drew – Part One

[woodscommaelle]

1 hour ago, UniqueHandle said:

That's how she gets Nova to play with her.

Haha! That's awesome.

[ReadMeLattice]

On 4/17/2018 at 5:28 AM, ghoulina said:

It didn't really bother me. Pot is legal in many places; but, beyond that, I don't see it as any more harmful than drinking. SOME people actually do use pot to manage their depression and/or anxiety. Effectively. This wasn't the case for Cate, because her situation is so severe that she needs actual meds - and the pot was just making the situation worse. Maybe it helps Tyler relax....and sleep. He's always whining about not being able to sleep. 

Generally I like to see a spouse be supportive by abstaining from something their SO is struggling to overcome. But it's not like Cate gives up her giant quesadillas when Tyler is trying to lose weight. So fuck her. 

Yeah, I get that it's not legal but I don't personally see it as different from drinking in terms of morality or harm to the body. If anything it's less severe.

I do think the legality is important in that if he is ever arrested, they could potentially get investigated by CPS and IMO it's not fair to put your child at risk so you can smoke a J.

[gunderda]

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I thought so too, at first, but I think I've changed my mind.

Why is it Maci's job to "get him"?  She's not his father, or his mother, or even a relative.  She barely even "knows" him any more, and (finally!!) wouldn't have anything to do with him if it weren't for Bentley.

Well I didn't take it as seriously as that lol  I just thought it was fun for Larry to say it to her when not long ago they weren't on good terms.  To me it showed me that her, larry and jen are back to being ok. 

1 hour ago, Kazu said:

Maci had no problem discussing the issue on the After Show special with Nessa. She even discussed the filing of the restraining order. She had a lot more to say to Nessa than this reunion show. That is why I questioned her saying Ryan is "doing well" because clearly he is not according to her own words and actions.

The reunion was probably filmed before that after show.  So maybe after going through this reunion Maci had a change of heart and decided she was ok with being more open about it.  Maybe Mac and Rayn pissed her off enough for her to say F--- it.  I'm not going to try and be nice anymore.  Ryan's entire crew also wasn't at the aftershow taping so maybe she also felt more comfortable and not having to worry about what would come at her immediately getting off the stage.  There's a million reasons why she could have not been as open during the reunion.  She obviously wasn't comfortable being asked that question and in my opinion, since she's not really in Ryan's life, Dr Drew shouldn't have even asked her that question.  They were obviously looking for her to spill some dirt. 

[Kazu]

18 hours ago, gunderda said:

Well I didn't take it as seriously as that lol  I just thought it was fun for Larry to say it to her when not long ago they weren't on good terms.  To me it showed me that her, larry and jen are back to being ok. 

The reunion was probably filmed before that after show.  So maybe after going through this reunion Maci had a change of heart and decided she was ok with being more open about it.  Maybe Mac and Rayn pissed her off enough for her to say F--- it.  I'm not going to try and be nice anymore.  Ryan's entire crew also wasn't at the aftershow taping so maybe she also felt more comfortable and not having to worry about what would come at her immediately getting off the stage.  There's a million reasons why she could have not been as open during the reunion.  She obviously wasn't comfortable being asked that question and in my opinion, since she's not really in Ryan's life, Dr Drew shouldn't have even asked her that question.  They were obviously looking for her to spill some dirt. 

Very true about the scheduling and taping. The reunion was filmed in early March and the AS aired live the first week of April. Maci filed the TRO the last week of March.

Still, Maci has been very open about Ryan's addiction problem since the Puerto Rico trip and throughout the episodes. She discussed his addiction and her feelings during that season's reunion show. Maci doesn't have to spill dirt on Ryan. There isn't any dirt left to spill. It is all out there. At that point in time she hadn't filed the TRO, but she did mention in an episode how Ryan was harassing her and threatening her via texts. It only makes sense why Drew asked her questions relating to Ryan because she never had any issues discussing him before on camera. Drew is only  reading the questions MTV wants him to ask the cast members.

Edited April 19, 2018 by Kazu

[CofCinci]

7 hours ago, RoxieRambles said:

Mac? Really? He is such a catch, I must marry him and have his spawn ?

Reminds me of Farmer Ted taking pictures with (and sexually assaulting) an intoxicated/unconscious Caroline in 16 Candles. 

[Calm81]

These before and after pictures should be a “say no to drugs” ad campaign. It’s really sad now that I’m seeing the then and now. ?

Another poster upthread posted another pic from Rhines good looking days and it inspired me to google some more. I never found him all that attractive but then compared to his butt crack tye dye shorts days -  it saddened me. 

After & Before

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Calm81
I couldn’t rearrange the order of photos so stuck with after and before instead of before and after. My fault lol

[SPLAIN]

On 4/18/2018 at 6:38 AM, FairyDusted said:

He was still a jerk but I liked looking at him cuz he reminded me of Mark on Roseanne. RIP Glenn!

Glenn died of an overdose. Ryan may follow suit.

22 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

I don't know why I'm so hung up on this Ryan and therapists refusing him, but I am. lol

I think therapists could legit be turning him away.  He is a known heroin addict on a reality tv show.  Think of the potential liability.  That's a biggie.  Better to refuse him and not get mixed up rather than deal with your name being dragged through the med if he over-doses.   There is documented proof of everyone around him being in denial and placing blame on everyone but Ryan.

I think its the heroin addiction and reality tv participation that is the toxic cocktail scaring away therapists.

I agree with your last sentence.

Re the repercussions, I don't think they are fearful of any repercussions of any kind or the fear of Ryan overdosing. Plenty of addiction specialists face that possibility every single day with their patients. It is one of the factors they deal with constantly due to the high number of overdoses due to drugs.

I do think MTV may have tried to interject themselves into the situation and asked permission to film his scenes. The therapist and specialists may have declined because many medical professionals do have scruples and plenty of them are about putting the welfare of their patients first and foremost.

The second point being, as you pointed out and as @lampwick posted, it is pretty obvious TM and Ryan's addiction is a toxic mix that is not at all healthy. This show is exploiting his problem.

23 hours ago, gunderda said:

I really think she was trying to not say anything TOO negative but Dr Drew was obviously trying to get her to talk shit about Ryan.  If she would have said he's not doing well that would have set Ryan and Mac off even more, possibly even Jen and Larry with them saying it's none of her business to report how Ryan is doing. So I believe she went the safe route and said "I believe he's doing well".  It's super obviously that's not what she wanted to say though.

Talk shit or talk truth?

Maci's main story line for the past 8 years has been Ryan. In fact, up until the phony adoption and PCOS story lines were introduced, Ryan is all she ever talked about on the show. She is being asked about what are her thoughts on her son's father and his issue with addiction. I do not see it as being out of the ordinary for Drew to ask her such a question since she has been forthright and open about discussing Ryan before including his addiction problem on the air numerous times. Sure, it is Maci's choice on whether she wants to divulge any information. I do think she has that right and for whatever reasons, she chose not to go there. I will point out that if she had revealed her true feelings, I wouldn't have had a problem with her doing so. 

Did I miss it or did Drew not bring up Maci and Taylor and their adoption story line? I suppose since the adoption story line was phony, there was no need to ask about it.

Edited April 19, 2018 by SPLAIN

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Maci wouldn't have guts to say that Ryan wasn't doing well to his face and more importantly, to Jen's & Larry's faces, on national TV.

She's always been a lot of talk with little walk (or delayed walk).

I guess she also wants to keep things cordial with Jen & Larry because they're Bentley's grandparents, she loves Jen, and she may need Mimi Jen to babysit all her kids on the weekend while she & Tyler party.  You don't burn bridges with your kid's grandparents or your free babysitters.

Edited April 19, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Cherry Cola]

On 4/18/2018 at 8:27 AM, mamadrama said:

I can't even stand to listen to NuMatt's voice. It's so condescending and anal sounding. Just weird. 

Anal sounding....like a fart?  Haha!

I finally got to watch this....that was boring.  

So much delusion.  Rhiine with his arms crossed was defensive from the start.  

[kira28]

Dr Drew makes my blood boil. He so obviously doesn't watch the show. Cate Lynn teared up and drew says oh I know why your crying.. Because of your daughter. Hell no fat cow cate was tearing up because she loves the attention her issues get her. She wanted drew to tell her how brave and strong she is. If he'd watched the show he'd have seen that Nova will manage and cate basically can't even fake giving a shit about her daughter on camera. Here's some advice Catelynn if your teeth are yellow don't wear a white jacket it just  makes it more noticeable. 

What was up with maci? Beer bloat? Her face looked puffy or bigger. Bad camera angle? For a moment she looked exactly like her mother. Age and all. I genuinely feel for maci that she has to put up with the entitled asshats that are Ryan and Mac. Maci is correct it's her job to protect her son. If I were Jen I'd shut my mouth about "there's alot that goes on between maci and Ryan we don't see"  grandparents have no rights. Maci can easily end their visitation with Bentley and Ryan is likely to not be able to get any visitation as long as he's using drugs and threatening maci. Jen has no right to talk about how there's a lot that goes on with Ryan that no one sees. His own family enables his addiction. 

Amber and fatass new Matt smugly complaining about Gary. Amber you are a total bitch and a loser. Neither one of you slugs has any right to complain about Gary who is 100 percent raising his daughter with no help from bed bound amber. You don't get to choose when you have to act like a parent. You can't toss aside the responsibility of raising a child because you have a headache or because you choose to drink or because you are sad about a breakup. Gary has spent 10 years picking up Amber's slack. Andrew is not a productive member of society. He's an unfortunate looking leach (not much different than matt) who saw an angry psychotic beast  of a woman who had cameras following her and if he watched the show he probably deduced how dumb Amber is and it wouid be easy  for her to become his Meal ticket. Amber is too stupid to realize Numatt isn't even creative. He's following the exact same path the original Matt did aside from knocking her up the first day they met. He moved in immediately and has her buying him expensive things. Andrew took her on vacations on her own dime, bitches about Gary to soothe the beast and does menial tasks for her. Next he will be "flipping houses" neither of those two lazy useless heifers have any right to complain about Gary. He's a great dad and a productive member of society. 

[Kazu]

4 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Maci wouldn't have guts to say that Ryan wasn't doing well to his face and more importantly, to Jen's & Larry's faces, on national TV.

She's always been a lot of talk with little walk (or delayed walk).

I guess she also wants to keep things cordial with Jen & Larry because they're Bentley's grandparents, she loves Jen, and she may need Mimi Jen to babysit all her kids on the weekend while she & Tyler party.  You don't burn bridges with your kid's grandparents or your free babysitters.

You know it. Particularly the part about Maci needing the Edwards to take her kids on a whim so she and Taylor can go out and party or leave out of town. The struggle is real for Maci. Losing her free babysitters would mean she'd have to pay more for that nanny when the kids are not in daycare.

[lezlers]

When I first watched this I was a bit excited that Cate seemed to be showing a glimmer of self awareness with respect to the abandonment issues she has that she's so very clearly giving to her daughter.  But then I remembered the scenes of her going back to treatment and coldly ignoring Nova's obvious distress over it were filmed AFTER the reunion.  So clearly it was all for show.  Fuck off, Cate.

I can't with Ryan and Mac.  Two delusional peas in a pod.  Therapists won't see Ryan because he's on TV?  Bitch please.  Maybe they won't let mtv actually film the SESSIONS, but that's not what Mac and Ryan were saying.  They're using it as an excuse.   I loathe them both.  

Drew's constant coddling of the girls makes me nuts.  I really wish someone would ask Amber about the Instagram videos she was making during her "dark times" with Matt accusing women that leave abusive men cowards, basically.  

[lezlers]

On ‎4‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 10:33 PM, druzy said:

I don't understand Maci's response either. The reunion was taped Saturday, March 3, 2018 and Sunday, March 4, 2018.

On her request for an order of protection Maci stated that in May 2017 Ryan showed up at Bentley's baseball game under the influence of heroine and "got in my face and yelling and threatening to hurt me"  (I attached that portion of the Order of Protection below). Maci waited until March 23, 2018 to file for a restraining order. Ryan was arrested March 28, 2018 for a violation of his probation dating back to his arrest on March 12, 2017. Maybe she was informed that Ryan was going to be arrested and tried to get ahead of the press and file for an order of protection to save face. I know it's not a popular opinion but why did she wait? 

 

My guess is she didn't WANT to file but finally did when she felt she no longer had a choice.  Ryan is still Bentley's father and we've seen Maci try to still have a decent relationship with Jen and Larry.  Not everyone is like Kail, who uses restraining orders as weapons whenever she feels slighted by one of her baby daddies.  I think she waited until she felt she had no other options, especially after his latest arrest.

[Birdee]

2 minutes ago, lezlers said:

My guess is she didn't WANT to file but finally did when she felt she no longer had a choice.  Ryan is still Bentley's father and we've seen Maci try to still have a decent relationship with Jen and Larry.  Not everyone is like Kail, who uses restraining orders as weapons whenever she feels slighted by one of her baby daddies.  I think she waited until she felt she had no other options, especially after his latest arrest.

I was thinking the same thing. She's know Ryan a long time and probably still has a little teeny-tiny soft spot for him. When he started getting out of control, she probably kept writing off the events as one-time episodes and hoped he'd get it together. My guess is something big/scary happened (like Benny some him nodding off, starting to OD, etc), that we may not even see if the file, that finally made her fill out the paperwork.

[teapot]

15 minutes ago, lezlers said:

When I first watched this I was a bit excited that Cate seemed to be showing a glimmer of self awareness with respect to the abandonment issues she has that she's so very clearly giving to her daughter.  But then I remembered the scenes of her going back to treatment and coldly ignoring Nova's obvious distress over it were filmed AFTER the reunion.  So clearly it was all for show.  Fuck off, Cate.

 

this is confusing me!  so it was the *first* time after she came home, (when she was mopey in the shower and etc)  that she'd left early to go to the reunion, and then after that she decided to go back to treatment?

[Kazu]

1 hour ago, Birdee said:

I was thinking the same thing. She's know Ryan a long time and probably still has a little teeny-tiny soft spot for him. When he started getting out of control, she probably kept writing off the events as one-time episodes and hoped he'd get it together. My guess is something big/scary happened (like Benny some him nodding off, starting to OD, etc), that we may not even see if the file, that finally made her fill out the paperwork.

If something big happened, it would be in the restraining order. You can't have something big happen and not mention it in a restraining order. What you put in a restraining order is what you will bring up at court. If you don't, you will be questioned by the judge as to why it wasn't a part of your TRO declaration. Maci's declaration also mentions the fear of her animals being harmed by Ryan. We already knew about Ryan harming animals on his property. That was two years ago.

I am with @MyPeopleAreNordic and that the only soft spot Maci has is the one for the Edwards. Having a restraining order means she may be restricted from having her children over at the Edwards' home. The place where she gets her free babysitting. Look, I know Maci does care for the Edwards and Bentley has spent a majority of his life with his grandparents and that has to hurt to possibly keep those enablers away from your children due to the criminal actions of his father, but when it comes to the safety of your kids, your spouse and your animals, there shouldn't be any hesitation in getting a TRO done when a drug addict who has weapons in his possession, and has used those weapons to kill cats, has made terrorist threats for a year to harm you and your family.

[SPLAIN]

4 hours ago, lezlers said:

My guess is she didn't WANT to file but finally did when she felt she no longer had a choice.  Ryan is still Bentley's father and we've seen Maci try to still have a decent relationship with Jen and Larry.  Not everyone is like Kail, who uses restraining orders as weapons whenever she feels slighted by one of her baby daddies.  I think she waited until she felt she had no other options, especially after his latest arrest.

Maci is definitely not like Kail because the threats are real and menacing. If she had filed immediately after the initial threats, It would not have been viewed as anything remotely like what Kail did when she filed her phony restraining orders. There is nothing phony about what Ryan's threats.  I think some people feel that Maci should have disregarded what her feelings are for Jen and Larry and consider the looming threat against her family, and apparently her dogs since she also listed them on the forms.

I watched for the second time the after show featuring Maci and Taylor as I recall her giving some sarcasm and having tone when discussing Ryan. When Nessa brought up Ryan's recent arrest and proceeded to ask Maci what her thoughts were on his arrest. She said with a smirk on her face "Shocker!". Pretty much she was letting the world know she was not shocked because she knows he is not what he proclaims to be - sober. 

[Jennifersdc]

The whole thing sounds so dreadful (and boring) I can’t bring myself to watch...

[FairyDusted]

3 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

Maci is definitely not like Kail because the threats are real and menacing. If she had filed immediately after the initial threats, It would not have been viewed as anything remotely like what Kail did when she filed her phony restraining orders. There is nothing phony about what Ryan's threats.  I think some people feel that Maci should have disregarded what her feelings are for Jen and Larry and consider the looming threat against her family, and apparently her dogs since she also listed them on the forms.

I watched for the second time the after show featuring Maci and Taylor as I recall her giving some sarcasm and having tone when discussing Ryan. When Nessa brought up Ryan's recent arrest and proceeded to ask Maci what her thoughts were on his arrest. She said with a smirk on her face "Shocker!". Pretty much she was letting the world know she was not shocked because she knows he is not what he proclaims to be - sober. 

I missed the after show! Can I watch it anywhere?

3 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

The whole thing sounds so dreadful (and boring) I can’t bring myself to watch...

Save yourself!

[lezlers]

On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 10:23 AM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Maci wouldn't have guts to say that Ryan wasn't doing well to his face and more importantly, to Jen's & Larry's faces, on national TV.

She's always been a lot of talk with little walk (or delayed walk).

I guess she also wants to keep things cordial with Jen & Larry because they're Bentley's grandparents, she loves Jen, and she may need Mimi Jen to babysit all her kids on the weekend while she & Tyler party.  You don't burn bridges with your kid's grandparents or your free babysitters.

I can respect that.  That's the same reason I'm nice and pleasant to my Trump supporting father in law.  ;)

8 hours ago, teapot said:

this is confusing me!  so it was the *first* time after she came home, (when she was mopey in the shower and etc)  that she'd left early to go to the reunion, and then after that she decided to go back to treatment?

Okay, so I'm PRETTY sure that was the timing, because she left early to film the reunion.  But then the reunion was filmed in March and the quick turnaround between her coming home and leaving again was late January, so I might be wrong.  Where's @druzy??  That girl knows everything.

[MaddyMaeboxerbabe]

@druzy is the expert not me..but I thought she came home for Nova’s bday and then went back rather quickly.  Seems she has been home since the reunion posting all the mushy stuff about her and Tyler since then.

[Kazu]

4 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

I missed the after show! Can I watch it anywhere?

Save yourself!

Did you check On Demand? I saw all the After Shows on there. I have Spectrum cable.

You all have me so confused with the Cate timeline. @druzy Help!!

[FairyDusted]

Thank you! 

[athousandclowns]

On April 19, 2018 at 10:23 AM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Maci wouldn't have guts to say that Ryan wasn't doing well to his face and more importantly, to Jen's & Larry's faces, on national TV.

She's always been a lot of talk with little walk (or delayed walk).

I guess she also wants to keep things cordial with Jen & Larry because they're Bentley's grandparents, she loves Jen, and she may need Mimi Jen to babysit all her kids on the weekend while she & Tyler party.  You don't burn bridges with your kid's grandparents or your free babysitters.

Best of the evening was her complaint to Dr Drew about everyone getting to have their fairytale weddings but she didn't get to show hers. Really?   Did anyone have a fairy tail wedding because there were none I'd dream about. How many of the grooms where nodding off from heroin.  They are reproducing , what a crime. 

[druzy]

23 hours ago, teapot said:

this is confusing me!  so it was the *first* time after she came home, (when she was mopey in the shower and etc)  that she'd left early to go to the reunion, and then after that she decided to go back to treatment?

November 17, 2017 Cate tweeted she was going to “treatment”

On her way to treatment MTV filmed Cate's phone call with her mother wherein Cate says she thought of every way to kill herself.

During her stay at the spa MTV also filmed Cate's family visiting her. Maci also made a very special appearance at the spa.

Cate remained at the spa for 6 weeks (according to Mack Truck 42 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 10 seconds) .

December 29, 2017 Cate tweeted she was going home the next day.

Upon Cate's return home, Tyler showed her the renovations on the new house. This is when MTV filmed Cate being mopey in the shower.

 On January 17, 2018, after 17 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 10 seconds of being home Cate tweeted she was returning to the spa.

On February 26, 2018, after 39 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 10 seconds at the spa Cate posted on Instagram that she was home.

I'm almost positive this is the timeline.

Edited April 21, 2018 by druzy

[Kazu]

As Tina Turner sang, "You're simply the best!" Thanks @druzy  :-)

On a different note, Cate's dad seems to resemble Tyler more than Cate. Cate's dad's nose reminds me of Tyler's nose.

[mamadrama]

Mac:  I just feel that everyone on this show has gotten to have their fairy tale wedding...

Well, Mac, you're not an actual cast member. I mean, you are, but Cate and Maci were actual "stars" (and I say this through gritted teeth) of the show. You, on the other hand, were a starstruck fan who pursed a "C" level cast member of a D-listed reality show. They will portray you in whatever way they think is the most entertaining way. Them's the breaks. 

 

Dr. Drew asking Amber if NuMatt "tamed her." God Lord, people, quit putting ideas into her head that she's some sort of Katharine Hepburn boss lady. 

[ghoulina]

I think there was plenty to snark on about most of the weddings we've seen. I mean, do you consider pregnant in an aquarium to be a dream wedding? But let's always go back to old school Real World - they can't use what you don't give them. Maybe there WERE beautiful, touching moments at Mack's wedding. But there also was her groom downing shots and chewing tobacco. They DID argue about money several times. They DID look awkward as hell while dancing. These things happened. If you don't want it all out there, don't put your ass on TV. 

[Marisagf]

8 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I think there was plenty to snark on about most of the weddings we've seen. I mean, do you consider pregnant in an aquarium to be a dream wedding? But let's always go back to old school Real World - they can't use what you don't give them. Maybe there WERE beautiful, touching moments at Mack's wedding. But there also was her groom downing shots and chewing tobacco. They DID argue about money several times. They DID look awkward as hell while dancing. These things happened. If you don't want it all out there, don't put your ass on TV. 

Heather B. and @ghoulina for the win!  I always think of Heather B.'s wisdom when these chicks complain.

Edited April 21, 2018 by Marisagf

[lezlers]

9 hours ago, druzy said:

November 17, 2017 Cate tweeted she was going to “treatment”

On her way to treatment MTV filmed Cate's phone call with her mother wherein Cate says she thought of every way to kill herself.

During her stay at the spa MTV also filmed Cate's family visiting her. Maci also made a very special appearance at the spa.

Cate remained at the spa for 6 weeks (according to Mack Truck 42 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 10 seconds) .

December 29, 2017 Cate tweeted she was going home the next day.

During this time MTV filmed Cate being mopey in the shower.

 On January 17, 2018, after 17 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 10 seconds Cate tweeted she was returning to the spa.

On February 26, 2018, after 39 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes and 10 seconds Cate posted on Instagram that she was home.

I'm almost positive this is the timeline.

You're awesome Druzy, thank you! So then when she was talking about how she was perpetuating the cycle by abandoning nova she didn't head back to the spa right after.  That gives me faith!  Now my question is, if she was home for 17 days, how come she never started outpatient treatment? Wouldn't they want her to start doing that immediately upon arriving home? 

[Jeanne222]

I can hardly bear to hear Amber laugh.  It's rough and silly and it really grinds on my nerves. 

[Kazu]

4 hours ago, Marisagf said:

Heather B. and @ghoulina for the win!  I always this of Heather B.'s wisdom when these chicks complain.

If only we could receive residuals every time we referred to Heather B's quote. We could take a trip together.

Looking at that timeline, it just bothers me because it seems Cate wanted to be home for the NYE holiday. Once all the fun came and went, and the reality set in, she headed back to her retreat after 17 days. Her intention was never about doing any post-"rehab" work. As for Nova, she was likely just parroting what Tyler was saying to her about leaving Nova behind without her mother being around.

[FairyDusted]

@lezlers  Short answer yes. You go to outpatient immediately. If you are at Cate's stage it's every day all day. Now it won't be a resort in MI but will keep ya going if you TRY!  

[mamadrama]

11 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I think there was plenty to snark on about most of the weddings we've seen. I mean, do you consider pregnant in an aquarium to be a dream wedding? But let's always go back to old school Real World - they can't use what you don't give them. Maybe there WERE beautiful, touching moments at Mack's wedding. But there also was her groom downing shots and chewing tobacco. They DID argue about money several times. They DID look awkward as hell while dancing. These things happened. If you don't want it all out there, don't put your ass on TV. 

Ha ha, this is all so true. We had some awkward moments at my wedding, but it was mostly things like a jet flying by overhead during our vows (outdoor wedding), me tripping over my train entering the reception, etc. Fighting about money, telling the groomsmen that you basically don't care what his vows were, and getting inebriated before the ceremony even starts is on a whole other level and IMO do a lot to cancel out some of the tender moments. 

I gotta admit, I don't want to see the nice stuff on this show, at least not where the the adults (sans Gary and Kristina) are concerned. I don't like any of these fools (except Gary and Kristina) very much so I say bring on the awkward stuff. 

[Kazu]

53 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

My theory is they tried to get on Intervention and they wouldn't take them on if they were working on Teen Mom at the same time. 

I don't think that is it. Ryan is an addict. Addicts are known liars. Mack has been his enabler for the longest time. She also lies. My money is on Ryan either did not contact any therapist or the ones they visited advised him it was in his best interest to not appear on TM while in treatment. The other possibility is that these therapists refused to be part of any MTV filming. Those two yahoos twisted that information into what fits their narrative. Mack has been covering up for Ryan for the longest time now with all of her bullshit. They even managed to throw out a lie in order to try and cover up the Tinder scandal.

[lezlers]

23 hours ago, FairyDusted said:

@lezlers  Short answer yes. You go to outpatient immediately. If you are at Cate's stage it's every day all day. Now it won't be a resort in MI but will keep ya going if you TRY!  

And that right there I'm sure was the problem.  Somehow I doubt they've got candlelight massages, horses and 5 star meals at outpatient therapy.  Ugh.   All day every day outpatient would've been PERFECT for her, since it'd give her something to do to keep herself occupied when Nova is at school.   I can't with her.

18 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Ha ha, this is all so true. We had some awkward moments at my wedding, but it was mostly things like a jet flying by overhead during our vows (outdoor wedding), me tripping over my train entering the reception, etc. Fighting about money, telling the groomsmen that you basically don't care what his vows were, and getting inebriated before the ceremony even starts is on a whole other level and IMO do a lot to cancel out some of the tender moments. 

I gotta admit, I don't want to see the nice stuff on this show, at least not where the the adults (sans Gary and Kristina) are concerned. I don't like any of these fools (except Gary and Kristina) very much so I say bring on the awkward stuff. 

Totally.   They're all so awful seeing good things happen is akin to watching bad behavior get rewarded.  When shit goes horribly, however, it's a beautiful display of karma in action.

[DangerousMinds]

17 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Ha ha, this is all so true. We had some awkward moments at my wedding, but it was mostly things like a jet flying by overhead during our vows (outdoor wedding), me tripping over my train entering the reception, etc. Fighting about money, telling the groomsmen that you basically don't care what his vows were, and getting inebriated before the ceremony even starts is on a whole other level and IMO do a lot to cancel out some of the tender moments. 

I gotta admit, I don't want to see the nice stuff on this show, at least not where the the adults (sans Gary and Kristina) are concerned. I don't like any of these fools (except Gary and Kristina) very much so I say bring on the awkward stuff. 

Gary and Christina got very lucky that the show never delved into how they got together. Wasn't she married to someone else at the time? Some juicy stories here, but MTV never filmed that.

56 minutes ago, Kazu said:

I don't think that is it. Ryan is an addict. Addicts are known liars. Mack has been his enabler for the longest time. She also lies. My money is on Ryan either did not contact any therapist or the ones they visited advised him it was in his best interest to not appear on TM while in treatment. The other possibility is that these therapists refused to be part of any MTV filming. Those two yahoos twisted that information into what fits their narrative. Mack has been covering up for Ryan for the longest time now with all of her bullshit. They even managed to throw out a lie in order to try and cover up the Tinder scandal.

And why cover up the Tinder scandal? Now that might be something worth watching! Right now, I won't watch because it's so damn boring. Well, and because of Jenelle!

[Kazu]

9 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

 

And why cover up the Tinder scandal? Now that might be something worth watching! Right now, I won't watch because it's so damn boring. Well, and because of Jenelle!

My thoughts exactly.  The good stuff is left on the cutting room floor. And the better stuff happens off camera. It is why I have mentioned from time to time how the juicy stuff is what is happening in real time.

As for Gary and Kristina, I think they recently touched upon this after Amber threw shade on Twitter. Kristina was legally separated from her spouse. Gary and Kristina hooked up in 2013 when her divorce was still pending. It hadn't been finalized.

Just a bit of information about divorce here in California. It takes six months from the initial date of filing for a divorce to be finalized, assuming everything is handled regarding child support (if there are kids), spousal support (assuming one is requesting it) and division of assets. I recall a few people whose cases I was assigned back when I worked as a paralegal whose divorces were not finalized for a year. That doesn't mean they can't date others during that time. They just cannot get married. Not sure about Indiana and their divorce laws, but it sounds like it is similar in that it takes several months before one's divorce is finalized. I am sure with the MTV factor, that prolonged the divorce proceedings since there was a restraining order in effect regarding Kristina's child from that marriage.  From one source:

Many of their issues stemmed from the presence of the MTV cameras being around their daughter, and at one point, Greg filed for a restraining order against Kristina in order to protect his daughter from what he perceives to be an unhealthy situation.

They eventually came to terms, and according to the paperwork, the parents agreed, “Karly shall not be present during filming by a third party, New Remote Productions, Inc., MTV, or any other company or its affiliates.”

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Ha ha, this is all so true. We had some awkward moments at my wedding, but it was mostly things like a jet flying by overhead during our vows (outdoor wedding), me tripping over my train entering the reception, etc. Fighting about money, telling the groomsmen that you basically don't care what his vows were, and getting inebriated before the ceremony even starts is on a whole other level and IMO do a lot to cancel out some of the tender moments. 

I gotta admit, I don't want to see the nice stuff on this show, at least not where the the adults (sans Gary and Kristina) are concerned. I don't like any of these fools (except Gary and Kristina) very much so I say bring on the awkward stuff. 

Right? It's called hate watching for a reason. 

 

(Although, the Shirleys and DeBoers ARE nice palate cleansers.)

[Kalamityjayne]

18 hours ago, Kazu said:

I don't think that is it. Ryan is an addict. Addicts are known liars. Mack has been his enabler for the longest time. She also lies. My money is on Ryan either did not contact any therapist or the ones they visited advised him it was in his best interest to not appear on TM while in treatment. The other possibility is that these therapists refused to be part of any MTV filming. Those two yahoos twisted that information into what fits their narrative. Mack has been covering up for Ryan for the longest time now with all of her bullshit. They even managed to throw out a lie in order to try and cover up the Tinder scandal.

I’m pretty sure even if therapists don’t want sessions filmed they would still agree to therapy- just no cameras. It is possible that since he’s high profile and in a toxic situation he doesn’t want to give up (the show) that isn’t helping sobriety they say no because if he has a catastrophic event due to his addiction any article about it will include he’s under the care of whatever therapist and they don’t want that bad press. His unwillingness to give up the show as a first step to recovery may be where the “addicts are selfish, reality tv enhances that” comments come in and these two are too dumb to understand what is being said.

 

but as Drew pointed out your rehab would find someone for you and Rhine acted all shifty like someone who obviously hadn’t really sought help.

What all is the tinder scandal. I see it referenced a lot but haven’t seen the original posting.

17 hours ago, lezlers said:

And that right there I'm sure was the problem.  Somehow I doubt they've got candlelight massages, horses and 5 star meals at outpatient therapy.  Ugh.   All day every day outpatient would've been PERFECT for her, since it'd give her something to do to keep herself occupied when Nova is at school.   I can't with her.

Totally.   They're all so awful seeing good things happen is akin to watching bad behavior get rewarded.  When shit goes horribly, however, it's a beautiful display of karma in action.

And that structure and schedule she said she wanted ?

17 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Gary and Christina got very lucky that the show never delved into how they got together. Wasn't she married to someone else at the time? Some juicy stories here, but MTV never filmed that.

And why cover up the Tinder scandal? Now that might be something worth watching! Right now, I won't watch because it's so damn boring. Well, and because of Jenelle!

Good news. Jenelle isn’t on OG so you can watch. Though it is boring so that factor remains 

[SuzWhat]

On 4/21/2018 at 7:54 AM, ghoulina said:

I think there was plenty to snark on about most of the weddings we've seen. I mean, do you consider pregnant in an aquarium to be a dream wedding? But let's always go back to old school Real World - they can't use what you don't give them. Maybe there WERE beautiful, touching moments at Mack's wedding. But there also was her groom downing shots and chewing tobacco. They DID argue about money several times. They DID look awkward as hell while dancing. These things happened. If you don't want it all out there, don't put your ass on TV. 

100% and lest we forget, Mack's best friend said that their dance was awkward AF AT THE FUCKING RECEPTION!  

It was mentioned upthread that Dr. Drew Pinsky is a psychologist.   I know from many lost years watching Celebrity Rehab that he is not a trained therapist or a psychologist.   He is an MD, specialty as a cardiologist.   He said it once on that show.   He may have some training as a counselor but he kind of downplayed that.    

[SPLAIN]

6 hours ago, Kalamityjayne said:

I’m pretty sure even if therapists don’t want sessions filmed they would still agree to therapy- just no cameras. It is possible that since he’s high profile and in a toxic situation he doesn’t want to give up (the show) that isn’t helping sobriety they say no because if he has a catastrophic event due to his addiction any article about it will include he’s under the care of whatever therapist and they don’t want that bad press. His unwillingness to give up the show as a first step to recovery may be where the “addicts are selfish, reality tv enhances that” comments come in and these two are too dumb to understand what is being said.

 

But you are missing the difference between MTV cameras being involved in Ryan's therapy versus not being involved. If MTV is involved in filming Ryan's therapy scenes, MTV will pay for the services just like they pay for Butch and Catelynn's rehab. If the therapists say they won't allow filming, Ryan has to pay for it out of his own pocket. Does anyone really believe Ryan would pay for therapy? One big fat HELL NO.

I may have missed something, but where is this idea coming from that Ryan is this high profile person? Did he himself refer to himself that way? That is ridiculous. He is HIGH, but he is certainly not high profile. Bigger, more important people with severe alcohol and addiction problems have gone through rehab, therapy, post-rehab, some of them many times over, and have had it publicized in the media without any professionals fearing any repercussions of bad press for treating such high profile people or having any sort of fears if those high profile people were to relapse or even die. 

I work at a facility where mental health treatment is offered. Part of the service available is alcohol and drug addiction treatment. Being here in Southern California, there have been some well-known people who have walked through these doors. The doctors and therapists here treat everyone the same regardless of their status in the community. No one is turned away due to any fears that if someone were to die under their care, they'd be slammed in the media or receive bad press. If people don't receive services here, it is by their own choice. They are free to walk away and not receive services.

Ryan's unwillingness is what is keeping him from moving forward to sobriety. He is just doing what he does best - putting the blame on other people. Mack is enabling his actions. I certainly do not believe this lying addict. Nor do I believe he was seeking treatment. He has been drinking since the day he was released from rehab back in June.

Edited April 23, 2018 by SPLAIN

[ghoulina]

I think MACK is the one who implied that Ryan was so high profile that he was having trouble getting seen. I believe most of us scoffed at that idea and assumed he just couldn't be arsed to go to therapy. 

[SPLAIN]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

I think MACK is the one who implied that Ryan was so high profile that he was having trouble getting seen. I believe most of us scoffed at that idea and assumed he just couldn't be arsed to go to therapy. 

I appreciate you clarifying that for me ghoulina.

It is a ridiculous notion and reading that it was Mack who actually implied it, is laughable. It just affirms what I believe - Ryan is making excuses and Mack is there to back up those excuses. She reminds me of Jenelle and Amber in many ways with defending their guys and laying out all of these laughable excuses for their actions or lack of actions.

I think it was pointed out best a few pages back that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Ryan and Mack are lying through their teeth and he is not committed to kicking his addiction. They can rattle off all this crap about therapists not wanting to help him until they are blue in the face. One day, Mack will find Ryan blue in the face when he has overdosed.

[Lynnlynnlynn586]

On 4/17/2018 at 9:00 AM, FlowerofCarnage said:

Cate's reunion outfit??? Did she watch reruns of Married with Children and decided  was going to copy Peggy Bundy's style? Girl looked fresh out of Wanker County with those pants and top. And don't get me started on these plastic horse hooves shoes! 

Larry's "get 'em girl!" Is he back to being fed up with his son's drug use? And Ryan saying he is there during his visitation  with Bentley...So for how long? Do you just walk in, tussle Bentley's hair, make a joke and leave Mimi to do the parenting?

Lol i enjoyed this post ???

[DangerousMinds]

I believe Dr. Drew is an internist.

[ginger90]

From his website:

Dr. Pinsky received his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine, where he remained for his residency. Pinsky then became chief resident at Huntington Hospital in Pasadena. He is a diplomat of the American Board of Addiction Medicine and the American Board of Internal Medicine. He has been appointed to the Alpha Omega Alpha Honor Medical Society and is a Fellow with the American College of Physicians (FACP). Dr. Drew is also a member of the board for the Prostate Cancer Foundation.

 

Dr. Drew Pinsky is a practicing physician, Board Certified in Internal Medicine, and Board Certified in Addiction Medicine.

 

Pinsky is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Mirror Effect: How Celebrity Narcissism is Seducing America (Harper-Collins) and Cracked: Putting Broken Lives Together Again(Harper-Collins). Dr. Drew co-authored the first academic study on celebrities and narcissism. The study was published in the Journal of Research in Personality (Elsevier) and received worldwide press coverage.

[Jeanne222]

Butch looks like he loves it there!  They come and they go.  Caitlyn seems very fragile.  Farrah was nasty Farrah.  Amber and the moose sitting next to her...uggg.  The sex oh my!