Spoilers and Speculation: Clink Boom and Cheese Fondue

[Oracle42]

Well if they decide to have Michael go all mob boss maybe Sabrina gets knocked up and pulls an Olivia and hides it from Michael and then Michael will know first hand what its like to have his kid kept from him.

Maybe she'll die in a limo explosion! She and Lily can hang out and Sabrina can help her take care of all of Sonny's dead babies in the sky

[ch1]

I was just thinking if all of Sonny's kids lived how many Corinthos spawn would be running around?  Including his stolen one I counted 8.

 

And how many baby mammas is there? 5?

 

And the female characters get trashed for multiple baby daddies. God damn.  Sonny has them all beat. 

[ulkis]

kid with Lily

kid with Claudia

Carly's first miscarriage

Sam's baby

 

So including Michael that would be 9 actually.

[dubbel zout]

And the female characters get trashed for multiple baby daddies. God damn.  Sonny has them all beat.

 

Which is why we need to stop trashing the women.

Edited September 15, 2015 by dubbel zout

[Tiger]

I think he was one of the few HWs with the balls to do a 2.5 year reset to clear out some truly terrible storytelling. It's too bad that he's responsible for the shitty stories that need to be erased.

I would watch this show religiously and without complaint if the scenes next month included Michael and Carly sitting next to a hospital bed because they'd been told the patient was waking up and AJ opened his eyes. Sonny could just be getting out of jail, Carly could tell AJ about his daughter Avery and Michael could fill AJ in on the past 2.5 years - which would not include Fluke, whatever is happening with Liz/Jakeson or Nik attempting to murder someone to facilitate a business takeover

Oracle42 for head writer! We get CarnAJ, Michael as a Q, and get to keep the worlds most adorable baby ever in Avery, who I'm guessing is now a CarnAJ baby?

[Oracle42]

We get CarnAJ, Michael as a Q, and get to keep the worlds most adorable baby ever in Avery, who I'm guessing is now a CarnAJ baby?

Hell yeah. If by some miracle this show survives, there have to be non-Corinthos babies. Plus, Avery is adorable, the Qs need more kids and I need to see CarnAJ.

Baby Leo would also be Ned's kid because there is absolutely no reason for this Olivia/Julian crap to have happened.

Oh. Franco would've died during the surgery to remove his brain tumor - there was some question as to whether the surgical team let him die but no one cared enough to follow up because he is the worst.

 

And Sonny would've spent at least 3 years in jail without MB having to play it and without us having to watch it 

Edited September 16, 2015 by Oracle42

[tvgoddess]

Sorry, nope. No way in hell Carly gets to be Avery's mother. Ava is her mother. We can change the father to anyone else. We can still have CarnAJ though, they were hot.

 

EDIT: Okay, I finally was able to watch that new promo for this week. I couldn't earlier because I was at work. OMG, Alexis. She cracked me the hell up. Overdramatic much? I can't stop laughing.

Edited September 16, 2015 by tvgoddess

[BestestAuntEver]

EDIT: Okay, I finally was able to watch that new promo for this week. I couldn't earlier because I was at work. OMG, Alexis. She cracked me the hell up. Overdramatic much? I can't stop laughing.

Yes, especially since she grew up around Cassadine's. She should've grabbed the gun and bitch slapped Morgan!

[yowsah1]

I was just thinking if all of Sonny's kids lived how many Corinthos spawn would be running around?  Including his stolen one I counted 8.

 

Which stolen one?  He has two now, you know.

 

Some people collect coins, some people collect books, some people collect cars.  Sonny Corinthos collects children.

[Donny Ketchum]

Which stolen one?  He has two now, you know.

Michael, obviously.  T.J. still knows Jordan is his parent.

[ulkis]

heh, and I thought yowsah was referring to Avery.

[Bringonthedrama]

I was just thinking if all of Sonny's kids lived how many Corinthos spawn would be running around?  Including his stolen one I counted 8.

 

And how many baby mammas is there? 5?

 

And the female characters get trashed for multiple baby daddies. God damn.  Sonny has them all beat. 

Sonny would have 9 children, if you include Michael. If you include the baby mammas who are deceased, 7.  Yes, he does. He is the last person who should ever degrade a woman for having had multiple lovers/husbands/whatever.

[Chairperson Meow]

I read a very similar RUMOR - that Sabrina gets pregnant and is worried about the child being near Sonny/the mob (which they already hinted at last week), Michael refuses to disavow Sonny/the mob, so she takes off and that's how TeCa will be written out for leave.  Just a RUMOR, but sadly plausible, IMO.

Michael is dead to me now. Sonny is not his "dad". Sonny killed his dad. I want a meathook in Michael's future.

[Badsamaritan]

I'm seeing some rumours on the Twitter that Sam & Paddy elope the same day as the Jiz wedding. Jiz wedding is canceled but Sam & her purse pup actually go thru with it.

Why do they keep throwing complication after complication at this story instead of just writing some really good fallout that would resonate across the canvas? Why keep putting new lipstick color after new lipstick color on the same tired, broke down ass pig?? Gah!!

I'm beginning to think doubling down is an FV bad habit, not just MoRon.

[LeftPhalange]

I'm seeing some rumours on the Twitter that Sam & Paddy elope the same day as the Jiz wedding. Jiz wedding is canceled but Sam & her purse pup actually go thru with it.

 

Will Jason show up at the wedding right after Sam and Patrick are married? Will Sam tell Patrick she's pregnant right before she/he is shot? Will there be a Twist That Changes Everything: 2015 Edition?

Edited September 16, 2015 by LeftPhalange

[TeeVee329]

Sam and Patrick eloping the day of the reveal sounds way too similar to Morgan rushing Kiki into marriage the day of the reveal that she wasn't a Q.

[mybabyaidan]

Why wouldn't Patrick be at his bffs wedding? Unless SamTrick have an uber romantic quickie at the town hall and make it just in time to see the actual wedding?

[dubbel zout]

I don't get why Sam and Patrick have to get married in the first place. Not from a story view—it's all about stupid Jakeson—but regarding their relationship. They've only just said ILY, and neither seems to deeply mean it or feel it. So why get elope? It's way too plot-pointy.

 

I think I just answered my question. Sigh.

[Oracle42]

What would be the point of Patrick/Sam getting married? Unless Sam had Jason officially declared dead, Jason/Sam would still be married. I guess that would make all four guilty of bigamy?

[HeatLifer]

I don't get why Sam and Patrick have to get married in the first place. Not from a story view—it's all about stupid Jakeson—but regarding their relationship. They've only just said ILY, and neither seems to deeply mean it or feel it. So why get elope? It's way too plot-pointy.

I think I just answered my question. Sigh.

Yup. Plot point. To show, "Hey, look! Sam and Patrick are SO IN LOVE and SERIOUS about each other even though the marriage isn't legal! Sam is going to be so torn!"

These are the same group of writers who attached the word "adventure" to a couple who never goes on adventures to try to show that they're adventurous.

[TeeVee329]

Ugh.  Reading a spoiler that Sam and Jake(son) both end up at that Chinese restaurant where they got married next week. 

[HeatLifer]

Ugh. Reading a spoiler that Sam and Jake(son) both end up at that Chinese restaurant where they got married next week.

I just read that, too. It's like a day after the "Sam wants a future with Patrick" spoiler. Oh, show.

[dubbel zout]

Good lord. What's more obvious than an anvil? That's what we're getting here.

[LeftPhalange]

I'm really just wondering how many more times I'll have to pretend to be surprised about Liez feeling "guilty" about keeping the truth from Jason. Or her attempting to tell him the truth but then chickening out. Like, how much longer is this going to continue? Resolving this whole clusterfuck of Sam/Patrick/Robin/Jason/Liez should've been the first thing the new writers did after being hired. Well, second. The first thing should have been to get rid of 99% of Ron's creations. 

[HeatLifer]

I cannot STAND that Ron reopened the Liason/JaSam wars. It was OVER. But noooo.

[dubbel zout]

No one wins, least of all the viewers.

[HeatLifer]

No one wins, least of all the viewers.

Exactly. I wouldn't call myself a fan of either couple, but at some point a show has to CHOOSE. And the show eventually did. Yet here we are again, right back where we started with the insertion of useless Patrick who is useless.

[Bringonthedrama]

The most recent spoiler/spec is that Laura will out Nik and Liz's Jakeson secret? That would be interesting. I would also love to see Scotty walk up to Nikolas moments afterward, with Bobbie and Lulu standing right there, and say "Kinda pathetic that your mommy had to tell the truth for you. It's good to see though, that Laura truly understands the difference between right and wrong despite all the years she spent with that low life Spencer." (That's what the two deserve after their attitudes about Luke being a great man and blameless for his actions - gag.)

 

I would love to see the vets LC and GF have even just one good scene of them discussing their children - I don't even need a Rick or Lesley mention.

[TeeVee329]

I can't really imagine Laura publicly humiliating Liz at her wedding, though.  And I want Liz publicly humiliated.

[dubbel zout]

I can't see Laura telling the secret at the wedding, either. That's not how she works.

 

I don't want Liz publicly humiliated. I don't mind the public knowing about it, but it should be the people she directly hurt—Sam and Monica, mainly—who read her the riot act. It's not anyone else's place.

 

I never liked Lucky yelling at her in the middle of GH for the affair. I thought it was really tacky.

Edited September 17, 2015 by dubbel zout

[TeeVee329]

I never liked Lucky yelling at her in the middle of GH for the affair. I thought it was really tacky.

 

You mean Lulu?

 

I would happily take Liz's comeuppance happening outside of Carly's eye line, but I know I'm not that lucky.

[Badsamaritan]

There are a couple other rumors out there, that JaSam have an intimate moment which may or may not involve a kiss, and Sam makes a confession to Jakeson. Maybe she tells him about the stuff she did in the past involving Liez? If he makes excuses for Sam and/or absolves her, the collective heads of Jiz stans will explode, bet.

[dubbel zout]

Wasn't Lucky's "rutting farm animals" tirade at GH? If not, my bad. But the larger point about reaming people out in public for what are essentially private sins remains.

Edited September 17, 2015 by dubbel zout

[TeeVee329]

Wasn't Lucky's "rutting farm animals" tirade at GH?

 

It was at Liz's house, though Carly had stopped by to invite them to Joss' christening and was thus in the room when Lucky dropped the "rutting like farm animals" line.

[OnceSane]

There are a couple other rumors out there, that JaSam have an intimate moment which may or may not involve a kiss, and Sam makes a confession to Jakeson. Maybe she tells him about the stuff she did in the past involving Liez? If he makes excuses for Sam and/or absolves her, the collective heads of Jiz stans will explode, bet.

Eh, he just did the same for Liz, I doubt it'll be different for Sam.

And a Jake/Sam kiss? WTF?

It was at Liz's house, though Carly had stopped by to invite them to Joss' christening and was thus in the room when Lucky dropped the "rutting like farm animals" line.

I still use "rutting like farm animals" at least once a month. Lucky for me it's never because my fiance was banging my sibling.

[HeatLifer]

There are a couple other rumors out there, that JaSam have an intimate moment which may or may not involve a kiss, and Sam makes a confession to Jakeson. Maybe she tells him about the stuff she did in the past involving Liez? If he makes excuses for Sam and/or absolves her, the collective heads of Jiz stans will explode, bet.

I just don't see Sam or Jason "cheating" in any way. The show has gone so out of the way to make sure they're innocent in the whole quad from hell.

[ulkis]

I just don't see Sam or Jason "cheating" in any way. The show has gone so out of the way to make sure they're innocent in the whole quad from hell.

 

Next thing you know, either or Alexis or Monica will kick the bucket just to cement that in.

[HeatLifer]

Next thing you know, either or Alexis or Monica will kick the bucket just to cement that in.

Bwah. It's also crazy to me that Patrick was spared. They gave ALL the heavy to Liz.

Edited September 17, 2015 by HeatLifer

[dubbel zout]

It was at Liz's house

 

Wow, I have a vivid memory of Lucky at GH yelling at Liz. I'm either superimposing Lucky onto Lulu's rant, or I'm thinking of something completely different. Heh.

 

It's also crazy to me that Patrick was spared. They gave ALL the heavy to Liz.

 

Typical misogynistic GH. The women always go crazier, fall harder, pay more.

Edited September 17, 2015 by dubbel zout

[WendyCR72]

It's also crazy to me that Patrick was spared. They gave ALL the heavy to Liz.

 

Makes sense to me, in this case. Especially since Liz has a hell of a longer history with pining for Jason than Patrick has with Sam.

 

Not to mention the fact I think very few buy the latter. Maybe it's why the show skipped Patrick getting in on the clusterfuck. Since many don't give two shits about Samtrick, what would the stakes be, really?

[HeatLifer]

Typical misogynistic GH. The women always go crazier, fall harder, pay more.

I can't even remember the last time a man was portrayed like Liz. Would it be Ric? And even so, he's not paying for shit!

[TeeVee329]

I'm actually glad Patrick doesn't know.  Because then Sam and Jason would have been able to leap right into each others' arms and nothing to me sounds more boring.

 

I'm just over this whole story.  Sam and Jason, even with this new actor, is not something I'm particularly into so all of this unintentional longing and talking about how amazeballs Jason was and things like these upcoming scenes at the Chinese restaurant...I just don't care. 

[HeatLifer]

I'm actually glad Patrick doesn't know. Because then Sam and Jason would have been able to leap right into each others' arms and nothing to me sounds more boring.

I'm just over this whole story. Sam and Jason, even with this new actor, is not something I'm particularly into so all of this unintentional longing and talking about how amazeballs Jason was and things like these upcoming scenes at the Chinese restaurant...I just don't care.

The longer it takes Jason and Sam to reunite the longer the story will go on. So I really want it to get to that point. Move on from this crap. It's been over a year. Sigh. Edited September 17, 2015 by HeatLifer

[TeeVee329]

But I think there's something potentially interesting in the stickiness post-reveal, especially if Jake(son) doesn't get his memory back right away.

Edited September 17, 2015 by TeeVee329

[HeatLifer]

I get you, for sure. And I'd probably agree with you if the story hadn't taken this long. But I think it's been long enough that they've played his memory loss.

Edited September 17, 2015 by HeatLifer

[TeeVee329]

And I get you, this shit dragged when the post-reveal was always going to be the most interesting.  I keep going back to Maria on AMC and obviously that was a little different because there wasn't the plastic surgery angle, but it was, what, a month before Edmond laid eyes on her?  Two?

[HeatLifer]

YES. Exactly. The post-reveal was always where the real story should begin. And Maria/Edmund is a great example. If everyone knew Jason was Jason from the beginning and they had to deal with him not remembering...

But now it's too much. Can you imagine another YEAR of his "visions"? I just can't. I want the drama and the tears now. Get it over with already.

Edited September 17, 2015 by HeatLifer

[TeeVee329]

YES. Exactly. The post-reveal was always where the real story should begin. And Maria/Edmund is a great example. If everyone knew Jason was Jason from the beginning and they had to deal with him not remembering...

 

And again, him remembering would be much more interesting if he had built a life as Jake completely different from Jason's.  But nooo.

[Evie]

But I think there's something potentially interesting in the stickiness post-reveal, especially if Jake(son) doesn't get his memory back right away.

There's a lot of potential soapiness with Jake(son) not getting his memory back and Sam knowing her husband's alive but having also built a family with someone else. The writers botched the pacing and pretty much everything about Samtrick though.

[dubbel zout]

I don't know why Jake isn't having more memories. He's not even having feelings of déjà-vu. There's not much point of him knowing who he is if he doesn't have any memories of it. He already did that when his head hit the tree, and it was tedious that he was all hostile and unwilling to accept his family. Not that the Qs made it easy, demanding that he remember who they were and what they meant to him, but I don't need to see this again, even if it is 25 years later.