S03.E09: Reign

[The Crazed Spruce]

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Supergirl learns that a mysterious symbol popping up in the city is the mark of the World Killer, Reign; tension between Lena and Morgan Edge continues to build.

[Lady Calypso]

Kara (to Lena/Sam): I've never had best friends!
Show: Fuck you, Winn! 

Poor Winn. He's already been forgotten as Kara's best friend. I appreciate the female friendship, but they REALLY needed to add in "best girl friends". And we also need the show to remind the audience, or introduce the new CW audience, to Winn/Kara's friendship from season 1. They used to be so close. 

Also, the timeline is wonky. Apparently, the crossover would have taken place AFTER this episode, because Sam's trip to discover Reign was the day before. I'd like to believe that they just skipped a week ahead before the DEO scene with Imra/Mon-El, but I can't believe that Kara would say "hold on to your story about what the hell happened to you. I gotta go to a wedding and defeat some Nazis first". That kind of bugged me in the first ten minutes alone. The ending of the episode kind of screwed that theory, though, so I guess Kara DID wait a week to talk to Mon-El and Imra. 

The Christmas party scene was fun. A bit oddly shot, but I kind of get what the purpose was of shooting like that. I even like Glen Winter as a director, but I was taken aback by the choice. However, a couple of the fight scenes? What, did Glen take mentorship under the School Of Bamford Directing? I was starting to get dizzy from the quick shots. 

I laughed at Winn, J'onn, and his dad talking about Christmas traditions.

I see the Alex becoming Ruby's mother arc has started, especially with Sam becoming Reign and most likely not being able to be a mother when she's captured or killed. I mean, I guess it's better Alex takes on an older kid than some baby or some kid. Too bad Ruby keeps acting like she's five instead of her actual age. Her snip at her mom about sleeping through Christmas? I get that she doesn't want her mom missing Christmas, but it's not like she's formed a pattern of sleeping through her days. It was just an out of place line. 

I get they were setting up James/Lena before this episode with a couple of scenes here and there, but I still don't feel any chemistry with these two. Neither is doing a good job at displaying their affection toward each other. I like the idea of James getting a love interest and I like throwing James and Lena in a story together, but not as a romantic arc. I like them as business partners. I did laugh at James having his shield handy on him, and I did notice Katie keeps slipping with her accent. Maybe they should just have let her use her natural accent. She's not very good at disguising it. 

I still don't buy Erica Durance as Alura. Not because I dislike Durance as an actress, but because she looks nothing like Melissa Benoist. But also her acting is too wooden. I get that she's supposed to be an AI, but I felt a little more with Laura Benanti. Maybe Erica Durance isn't quite fit for this type of role. 

Ah, the continuation of Mon-El kind of being a naive dick to Kara. I get that he moved on from Kara on to Imra (I hope so because then he'd be a dick to her as well), but he doesn't need to rush into being intimate 24/7 around Kara, knowing how much he's already hurt her. I do like Imra, though. She's kind of fun and I hope she's good. I'll admit, I would not hate if they kept her around and paired her with Winn once Mon-El breaks her heart or however they break them up. Winn/Imra's brief scenes together made me smile a little bit. If I can't have my Lena/Winn crackship, and since I dislike Lyra/Winn (and don't think she'll be making many appearances this season, if any), him and Imra wouldn't be a bad choice. 

I also didn't hate Mon-El/Kara's scenes. They were few, and it didn't take Kara away from 75% of the episode like it did for most of last season, so I learned that I can handle it in small doses. I still rolled my eyes at their DEO scene, but I didn't get irrationally angry at two fictional characters, so...progress. 

I was pleasantly surprised to see Chad Lowe make another cameo. He's literally been involved with the show three times in the past four weeks. 

As for Reign, I actually liked how she was officially introduced. I did laugh at the evil Supergirl ripping of the shirt. I typically dislike that shot, but I think it worked in terms of a one time parallel. I also laughed at her changing her voice. It was clear because Kara might have recognized Sam's voice, otherwise. I will say that I loved that most of the final ten minutes were dedicated to their fight. 

Overall, though? I actually liked the episode. It was actually fairly well balanced in terms of using all the characters. Usually, one or two (or four) characters get put in the background or only get one or two lines. This time, everyone got a little scene or a few more lines than usual. 

[mtlchick]

Things I never thought I would say while watching this show: I gasped at the last 3 minutes.  It was very Doomsday-esque.

I was so hoping that Chad Lowe would say "Literally"just once. 

I have to laugh that Hank Henshaw is going to force every one to get on the Hall and Oates holiday train. 

 

For an uneven season to me, this was a pretty good fall finale. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by mtlchick

[KirkB]

Kara finally found something that hurts more than seeing her boyfriend married to another woman.

Seriously though, that was brutal.

I like Reign's Dark Supergirl look, and at least the mask changes the shape of her face enough I can understand why Kara wouldn't be able to recognize her.

[cambridgeguy]

Hey J'onn, Kara's getting her ass kicked in a fight with an evil Kryptonian.  Maybe you should consider heading out there and helping?  Especially since Superman must be off world since otherwise it makes no sense for him not to be involved with Kryptonian symbols being carved into National City.

[Primal Slayer]

Overall, the episode was ok but it would've benefited soooo much more if they focused more on the forthcoming of Reign. Give us some flashbacks to Krypton and not wait until the last 10 minutes.

This all kind of reminded me of Buffy vs. Glory round 1.

They spent to much time trying to drag out introducing Reign to the audience. And it makes no sense to have J'onn totally MIA during the big battle. Have him come in and help and get knocked out or something but show that he is there!

Not a fan of them making LoSH entire existence due to Mon-El and his love for Kara. One thing you should keep is Superman importance to them. I know this is a show about Supergirl but they've gone a little to far trying to erase Supes' importance to this Earth I feel like. At least when it comes to his mythos being shifted to Kara a bunch of times.

REALLY....that was a lame ass cliff hanger though! They could've at least left us on Kara flat lining or something.

[Lady Calypso]

1 minute ago, Primal Slayer said:

Overall, the episode was ok but it would've benefited soooo much more if they focused more on the forthcoming of Reign. Give us some flashbacks to Krypton and not wait until the last 10 minutes.

I agree that the episode could have benefitted from a little bit more of Reign's, well, reign, but we still have a full half season to witness her destruction. This was supposed to be more of an introduction to her and only give a taste of her power before the mid-season hiatus. I also think the episode was trying to go for mystery and intrigue with Reign's power, but I do think they could have pushed it a little bit more. 

3 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

I know this is a show about Supergirl but they've gone a little to far trying to erase Supes' importance to this Earth I feel like. At least when it comes to his mythos being shifted to Kara a bunch of times.

I think the overall issue is that if there's talk about Superman, maybe the show feels like it'll diminish Supergirl's importance and power. Superman is so popular in today's society that I think they're trying to find a way to have Supergirl's importance be the main focus. I get their fear; I've seen talk like this around, where people are wondering why Superman isn't appearing for major fights. I just think the show, in general, is in a tight corner with Superman. This is a show about Supergirl, not about Superman, and Kara is just as capable as Clarke is. So how can they balance Supergirl with Superman in their world? It's a hard writing choice, I think. 

[KirkB]

If it were up to me, I would have changed the lore and had Kara be the only one sent to Earth. Or at least the only one to survive the trip. So Kara would be the first and only major superhero. Then it would make more sense for everything to be about her.

[Primal Slayer]

1 minute ago, Lady Calypso said:

I think the overall issue is that if there's talk about Superman, maybe the show feels like it'll diminish Supergirl's importance and power. Superman is so popular in today's society that I think they're trying to find a way to have Supergirl's importance be the main focus. I get their fear; I've seen talk like this around, where people are wondering why Superman isn't appearing for major fights. I just think the show, in general, is in a tight corner with Superman. This is a show about Supergirl, not about Superman, and Kara is just as capable as Clarke is. So how can they balance Supergirl with Superman in their world? It's a hard writing choice, I think. 

Honestly I think they made it harder then they really have to. They don't need to diminish Supermans legacy to prop up Supergirls. It would've been so easy to have Saturn Girl say something along the lines of "Superman and Supergirl inspired us, the two of you saving the world blah blah blah" And just a throw away line about "Superman is off world" or even have him disappear! All it takes is a simple throw away line.

[tennisgurl]

So, we just gonna...not mention how Alex and Kara went to another universe and were almost murdered by Nazis a few days ago? Or met an alternate universe Winn? Or anything? This couldn't have been before they went, after the beating Kara took. No way would she be up and ready to go off to a intradimentinal wedding after that, especially with Reign still on the loose. 

Other than that weirdness, I did enjoy the episode quite a lot, and the last part where Rein beat the shit out of Kara was brutal. You could just call this episode "Kara Danvers and the Terrible Horribly No Good Very Bad Day", she had such a shitty time of it. Not only does she have to deal with SlimeBall McAsshole talking crap in the media, she has her ex boyfriend who she is still CLEARLY in love with, being all lovey dooby with his new wife, and then she gets a serious beat down from a new bad guy. Wait until she finds out that her new enemy is also her new BFF! Better load up on super booze. 

I know they have to fast track things with Sam and Karas friendship to create more drama with her becoming Reign, but they are really jumping to Best Friends pretty quickly, arent they? It also really diminishes her friendship with Winn, who has been her best friend for years, and now they only seem to hang out in transition scenes between Kara going to talk to Sam/Lena or Mon-El or someone. Speaking of, what does poor Jeremy Jordan have to do to get a decent plot?!?! His stuff with the alien girl last season was decent, but now he basically exists to drop exposition. The crossover showed that he can do more, let him do something! 

The Mon-El/Kara/Imra stuff was actually pretty well done. I did feel bad for all of them and the crappy situation, even though I obviously feel worse for poor Kara. She really loved Mon-El, and has been majorly depressed since he left, and now here he is back, seemingly in this perfect romance with another, perfect person. And while I dont blame Mon-El for what happened, I still think he is handling this situation pretty badly. First by not telling everyone the truth when he was back, then telling Kara he was married by making out with his new wife, and now being all couply allover the place. Just take it slow around your ex dude! 

I did really like the Christmas party, and J`onn and his dad and Winn talking about Christmas traditions was cute. And I actually kind if like Lena/Jimmy (although I am still holding out for my Lena/Winn crackship), even if I dont see a ton of sparkling chemistry. I at least get why they would like each other. 

Nice seeing Chad Lowe again, and it was really smart to bring his character back to introduce Reign. That was a really good addition. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by tennisgurl

[legaleagle53]

14 minutes ago, KirkB said:

If it were up to me, I would have changed the lore and had Kara be the only one sent to Earth. Or at least the only one to survive the trip. So Kara would be the first and only major superhero. Then it would make more sense for everything to be about her.

That's the reverse of what John Byrne did in the comics following the massive DC reboot in 1986 (he decided that only Superman was sent to Earth, and Kara/Supergirl simply never existed).  That change did not sit well with Supergirl fans (it's why a rather lame non-Kryptonian version of her was eventually introduced a year or so later), and erasing an iconic figure like Superman from history would provoke an even worse reaction in the fandom.  You just don't mess with history like that, as even Barry Allen knows.

Edited December 5, 2017 by legaleagle53

[Oreo2234]

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I see the Alex becoming Ruby's mother arc has started, especially with Sam becoming Reign and most likely not being able to be a mother when she's captured or killed. I mean, I guess it's better Alex takes on an older kid than some baby or some kid. Too bad Ruby keeps acting like she's five instead of her actual age. Her snip at her mom about sleeping through Christmas? 

.Ruby is written so annoyingly and immaturely. Mommy Alex is just not an interesting storyline for me.  

I really liked the final fight scene,particularly when they ended up crashing into a Christmas party, though it could have been a little longer and more vicious, I'm not sure it sold me on Kara being in such a state that a fall from a tall building (which she would normally easily survive) would nearly kill her. The scene where Reign attacked all those criminals was quite well done. It reminded me of a scene from a movie but I can't put my finger on what it was. 

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I know they have to fast track things with Sam and Karas friendship to create more drama with her becoming Reign, but they are really jumping to Best Friends pretty quickly, arent they? It also really diminishes her friendship with Winn, who has been her best friend for years, 

Yeah I don't really buy that Sam and Kara are that close and they do seem to have a tendency to forgot about how close she and Winn used to be (and still are supposed to be). 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Oreo2234

[StaceyNotStacie]

This was just okay. I was disappointed that they didn’t mention Kara and Alex returning from the wedding and acknowledging what occurred. I liked the Christmas party and I noticed some chemistry with Winn and Mom-El’s wife. 

The cliffhanger reminded me a bit of Superman Returns with the hospital scene. 

[AD35]

31 minutes ago, KirkB said:

Kara finally found something that hurts more than seeing her boyfriend married to another woman.

Seriously though, that was brutal.

I think that fight was the most brutal of the 3 shows not called Arrow.  Is this the first time that an opponent actually made Kara bleed?

[Primal Slayer]

9 minutes ago, legaleagle53 said:

That's the reverse of what John Byrne did in the comics following the massive DC reboot in 1986 (he decided that only Superman was sent to Earth, and Kara/Supergirl simply never existed).  That change did not sit well with Supergirl fans (it's why a rather lame non-Kryptonian version of her was eventually introduced a year or so later), and erasing an iconic figure like Superman from history would provoke an even worse reaction in the fandom.  You just don't mess with history like that, as even Barry Allen knows.

DC also put a mandate that Kara had to stay dead just as Barry did. They, like MG "wanted" death to mean something and of course go back to status quo of Superman being the only Kryptonian. While it made Karas sacrafice that much more powerful, I was happy when she was finally reintroduced though it did help pave away for Linda Danvers and Kara In-Ze.

[GHScorpiosRule]

25 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

Not a fan of them making LoSH entire existence due to Mon-El and his love for Kara. One thing you should keep is Superman importance to them. I know this is a show about Supergirl but they've gone a little to far trying to erase Supes' importance to this Earth I feel like. At least when it comes to his mythos

Add me to this list. It was Supes who inspired the Legion. And I’m only speaking from what knowledge I know, but I thought Rokk created the Legion? They just keep taking stuff from Superman and giving credit to Kara. I cthink nd it difficult to believe that they can’t find stories independent from Clark/Superman. 

So Sam is now one of Kara’s best friends after...four months or so??

Winn in the Christmas sweater!!!??

They might as well have put a robot or recording in Durance’s place. She’s actually worse here than she was on Smallville, and she was barely tolerable there.

Just kill me now with the tweet Ruby who keeps acting like she’s six. And a spoiled BRAT.

Not surprised there was no mention of Kara and Alex fighting Nazis.

[tennisgurl]

10 minutes ago, Stacey1014 said:

I liked the Christmas party and I noticed some chemistry with Winn and Mom-El’s wife. 

Yeah, I caught the vibe between Imra and Winn too, even if it was just some friendly chemistry. Since I`m pretty sure that Karamel is going to end up being End Game (I have no proof of this, its just a feeling), I can see the show pairing them up so that Imra doesn't end up in the cold, and Winn gets a subplot. Even though, it would lead to the hilariously weird habit of everyone in Kara's life hooking up with each other, with Lena and Jimmy becoming a thing, and would make for some awkwardness. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by tennisgurl

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 minutes ago, Stacey1014 said:

Mom-El’s wife. 

????????

[KirkB]

The Crossover kind of screwed with their overall narrative, didn't it? Two episodes ago they have Sam go on a trek to find her evil side and pronounce her the world killer. The next, Sam/Reign and everyone else are nowhere to be seen while Kara and Alex jaunt off to another Earth for some sisterly bonding and Nazi punching. Now they come back, Reign has gone full darkness and no one else seems to be aware of what happened last week.

Edited December 5, 2017 by KirkB

[Primal Slayer]

20 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

So, we just gonna...not mention how Alex and Kara went to another universe and were almost murdered by Nazis a few days ago? Or met an alternate universe Winn? Or anything? This couldn't have been before they went, after the beating Kara took. No way would she be up and ready to go off to a intradimentinal wedding after that, especially with Reign still on the loose. 

I feel like this episode was suppose to take place the very next day from 3x07. They didn't really seem to take to take the crossover into consideration lol. 

[bmoore4026]

So, that's what Shadow Lass Mon-El's wife looks like.  I like the voice, I must say.  I'm guessing she's not blue because that would have been a drain on the make up department?

I must admit I was squeeing on the inside when The Legion was mentioned.

Speaking of The Legion, I can't help but notice that Reign appears to be modeled after Satan Girl, an evil identity  Supergirl took in one issue of the Legion's run on Adventure Comics.

[Primal Slayer]

8 minutes ago, bmoore4026 said:

So, that's what Shadow Lass Mon-El's wife looks like.  I like the voice, I must say.  I'm guessing she's not blue because that would have been a drain on the make up department?

I must admit I was squeeing on the inside when The Legion was mentioned.

Speaking of The Legion, I can't help but notice that Reign appears to be modeled after Satan Girl, an evil identity  Supergirl took in one issue of the Legion's run on Adventure Comics.

She's not blue because she's not Shadow Lass lol. She's Saturn Girl.

[bmoore4026]

Just now, Primal Slayer said:

She's not blue because she's not Shadow Lass lol. She's Saturn Girl.

..............................................................................why isn't she blonde????????

 

Right now I'm so damn angry, I can't see straight.

[Primal Slayer]

2 minutes ago, bmoore4026 said:

..............................................................................why isn't she blonde????????

 

Right now I'm so damn angry, I can't see straight.

You have LoSH to look forward to in 5 weeks though.....

[quarks]

I came here in hopes that you guys could explain the timeline to me, only to find that you are as lost as I am.  

You have failed this viewer, forum!

Oh, wait. Wrong show.

Other things:

1. Glad to see that the tradition of clothing random DEO arrivals in DEO clothing still continues. In related news, DC, if random time travelers can have them, why can't I buy a DEO hoodie? I mean we all know that it won't look as good on me as it does on Imra, but still!

2. I know that Samantha's Xmas story was supposed to give me warm happy Xmas feelings but all it did was convince me that she's not a great mother and the sooner this id gets handed over to Alex, the better.

3. Carl Lumbly's joy over hot chocolate was everything. As was J'onn's insistence on Hall and Oates.

4. That said, gotta echo everyone else here: J'onn, when Kara heads out to battle an evil Kryptonian, coming along is probably not a bad idea! At the very least you might have saved some of the Christmas food at that party from destruction!

5. I don't hate the guy, but I gotta ask: How has Mon-El managed to attract not one, but two women clearly superior to him?  

[bmoore4026]

3 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

You have LoSH to look forward to in 5 weeks though.....

And a not blonde Saturn Girl

[KirkB]

One advantage I feel I have going into the Mon-El/Legion part of the storyline is while I have heard of the Legion I don't really know much about them or the individual characters involved so I can't be too bothered by anything they get 'wrong'. I wouldn't know Shadow Lass from Saturn Girl. I can guess SL's power from her name but what abilities does SG have? Surely just being from Saturn isn't considered a power.

2 minutes ago, quarks said:

2. I know that Samantha's Xmas story was supposed to give me warm happy Xmas feelings but all it did was convince me that she's not a great mother and the sooner this id gets handed over to Alex, the better.

I kind of like Sam but I can't stand the kid. Why on Earth would anyone want her to hang around and become a major part of Alex's story? 

4 minutes ago, quarks said:

3. Carl Lumbly's joy over hot chocolate was everything. As was J'onn's insistence on Hall and Oates.

That was easily the best part of the episode.

5 minutes ago, quarks said:

5. I don't hate the guy, but I gotta ask: How has Mon-El managed to attract not one, but two women clearly superior to him?

Ridiculously good luck?

[bmoore4026]

1 minute ago, KirkB said:

 I wouldn't know Shadow Lass from Saturn Girl. I can guess SL's power from her name but what abilities does SG have? Surely just being from Saturn isn't considered a power.

Mind powers.  Saturn Girl has mind powers.  She's called Saturn Girl because she's from the Saturn moon of Titan

[Primal Slayer]

2 minutes ago, KirkB said:

One advantage I feel I have going into the Mon-El/Legion part of the storyline is while I have heard of the Legion I don't really know much about them or the individual characters involved so I can't be too bothered by anything they get 'wrong'. I wouldn't know Shadow Lass from Saturn Girl. I can guess SL's power from her name but what abilities does SG have? Surely just being from Saturn isn't considered a power.

She's from Titan and she is telepathic. 

[KirkB]

1 minute ago, bmoore4026 said:

Mind powers.  Saturn Girl has mind powers.  She's called Saturn Girl because she's from the Saturn moon of Titan

Wait, shouldn't she be called Titan Girl then?

[bmoore4026]

Just now, KirkB said:

Wait, shouldn't she be called Titan Girl then?

Shouldn't she also be blonde, Arrowverse people!?

[Lantern7]

Basically Reign = Doomsday. I know, Doomsday was a marauding beast that was equal parts mindless violence and the ability to literally beat Superman to death, and Reign has some intelligence and a human identity, but I reckon the core concept remains. Has Kara taken a beating that harsh that didn't involve Kryptonite, magic or red solar radiation? You can write in a scene where Reign stares at her enemy's broken body, followed by Reverse Flash popping in, snarking, "Don't get cocky. Overgirl loosened the jar for you," then popping out.

Seriously hoping somebody draws an old-school comic cover where Canon Jimmy is going out with Lena Luthor. That would have been a great/horrifying idea way back in the day. Here, it works in its own way, though relationships do not last long on this series. I'd imagine Clark chuckling at that news, not fearing for James' health in general.

Nice Christmas party. Would not have thought of J'onn being a dork. Or bonding with Winn. Very cute.

ETA: I'm not hating Kara, Mon or Imra. Mon was gone for seven years, fell for Imra, then wound up in stasis waiting for the 31th century to happen. But then they got woke in 2017, seven months after Mon left. Wondering if/when this Imra will show off powers. I did geek on the flash of Legion rings; this means we get at least one more Legionnaire next month.

[quarks]

1 minute ago, KirkB said:

One advantage I feel I have going into the Mon-El/Legion part of the storyline is while I have heard of the Legion I don't really know much about them or the individual characters involved so I can't be too bothered by anything they get 'wrong'. I wouldn't know Shadow Lass from Saturn Girl. I can guess SL's power from her name but what abilities does SG have? Surely just being from Saturn isn't considered a power.

Saturn Girl is a telepath AND SHE IS AWESOME.*

 

1 minute ago, KirkB said:

Wait, shouldn't she be called Titan Girl then?

I asked my dad the same question and he said that it was part of her secret identity!  If she called herself Titan Girl than everyone would know she was from Titan and know how to find her! **

 

* Awesome in this case referring to when you are five and reading superhero comics for the first time. 

** I'm prrrreeettttyyy sure my dad just made this up.

[JamieLynn832002]

Is it possible that Kara and Alex were somehow only gone for a day or less in Earth-38 time? I know they were on Earth-1 longer but that's the only way I can see the timeline with the crossover making sense. Although, even if that were true, I'd still think nearly having your heart stolen by your Nazi doppelganger would be something you'd mention so I have no idea how the crossover works here.

[GHScorpiosRule]

3 minutes ago, KirkB said:

One advantage I feel I have going into the Mon-El/Legion part of the storyline is while I have heard of the Legion I don't really know much about them or the individual characters involved so I can't be too bothered by anything they get 'wrong'. I wouldn't know Shadow Lass from Saturn Girl. I can guess SL's power from her name but what abilities does SG have? Surely just being from Saturn isn't considered a power.

Saturn Girl is a telepath.

I learned about the Legion from Legion of Superheroes (two years on CN) where they came to Earth and took a 15 year old Clark to the future to help them; S:TAS, when they came to Smallville when Clarke was a teen, and on Smallville in Season eight. And she was BLONDE every time!!

[Oreo2234]

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Is it possible that Kara and Alex were somehow only gone for a day or less in Earth-38 time? I know they were on Earth-1 longer but that's the only way I can see the timeline with the crossover making sense. Although, even if that were true, I'd still think nearly having your heart stolen by your Nazi doppelganger would be something you'd mention so I have no idea how the crossover works here.

I guess it's possible there could be a few days or so between the beginning scenes and everything else. The Supergirl writers tend to be lazy and inconsistent with timelines so its no surprise they goofed up the crossover timeline.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Oreo2234

[quarks]

Actually, if memory serves, Saturn Girl was actually from Saturn in her original Adventure Comics appearance, which was supposed to be a one off thing, so nobody put a lot of thought into it beyond "Hey, 'Saturn' would be a cool name! And since she's a girl, we'll call her Saturn Girl!"

I like my dad's explanation a bit better though.

[scarynikki12]

1 hour ago, Oreo2234 said:

The scene where Reign attacked all those criminals was quite well done. It reminded me of a scene from a movie but I can't put my finger on what it was. 

It reminded me of Batman’s first official attack on Falcone’s men at the docks in Batman Begins. 

[Oreo2234]

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So, did Alex use her spare time since Maggie left to get a medical degree? 

She's was doing medical stuff last year too. If I recall correctly at the beginning  of the show she was just a scientist but at some point they decided she also studied medicine too. 

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It reminded me of Batman’s first official attack on Falcone’s men at the docks in Batman Begins. 

Yes, that was the scene it reminded me of.

[immortalfrieza]

47 minutes ago, quarks said:

4. That said, gotta echo everyone else here: J'onn, when Kara heads out to battle an evil Kryptonian, coming along is probably not a bad idea! At the very least you might have saved some of the Christmas food at that party from destruction!

The attempts by the writers to keep J'onn out of things so that Kara actually has something to do just get more and more stupid as the show goes on, they didn't even bother to try to give a reason this time. I can at least buy that everything with Reign's symbols and the fight would be happening too soon for Superman to be around but J'onn's absence as Supergirl is clearly getting her ass kicked around the whole city for 10 minutes was just nonsense. Even having J'onn show up and get him taken out with one punch would been better than what we got.

I'm glad Mon-El and Imra are being reasonable about the whole thing and it's really just a hang up on Kara's end. They've both tried their best to help Kara be okay with what's going on, they've done all they can on that front and the ball is in Kara's court.

Edited December 5, 2017 by immortalfrieza

[VCRTracking]

I don't hold Ruby's resemblance to Bristol Palin against her, but it's still distracting.

[tofutan]

The least realistic thing about this episode was a woman like Amy Jackson eating ribs. 

How did Lena not notice James pulling out a hugeass shield? 

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She's was doing medical stuff last year too. If I recall correctly at the beginning  of the show she was just a scientist but at some point they decided she also studied medicine too. 

Yepp, I remember her sewing up Maggie's shoulder at the DEO and she and her mom worked together when Mon-El got poisoned by Cadmus. 

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5. I don't hate the guy, but I gotta ask: How has Mon-El managed to attract not one, but two women clearly superior to him?

Excellent oral skills maybe? What, he could be good at giving speeches. 

[statsgirl]

As soon as they found out Supergirl was getting her ass kicked (the DEO was monitoring the fight, right?) J'onn and Mon El should have been out there helping her. Protect the Earth, right guys?

I actually like Sam and her relationship with her daughter.  That Christmas story had me going Awww.    I also really hope that Alex doesn't get stuck with Ruby.  I know she likes kids but having a child on a show like this is a killer.  Arrow can make it work because there is an invisible Raisa taking care of William when needed but Alex has no back up.  Is she going to tell the DEO that she can't go out on a mission because her babysitter couldn't make it?

I was hoping Reign would take out Morgan Edge.  I get the idea, he's this season's Max Lord, but he's not particularly interesting.  I mean, hiring a hit on Lena?  Yawn.

I understand that Alex may have basic medical skills but intubating?  The DEO should have a doctor there or at least one on-call at all times.  It's an organization that fights aliens, did they think they weren't going to get hurt?  Even Stargate had multiple dedicated medical staff.  (I know the CGI fight ate up a lot of money but spring for a day player, Supergirl.)

It's nice that everyone is being so adult in the Kara/Mon El/Imra situation, especially Imra, but I don't get the point of this plot.  Especially since Mon El is more hero-like with Imra.  It's like the soap opera in the middle of the action show.

James/Lena has the feeling of "we didn't know what else to do with these characters so we put them together" but I'm enjoying it.  Did he buy his Incredibly Expanding and Shrinking Shield from the same place Oliver Queen got his church bow last week?

2 hours ago, quarks said:

5. I don't hate the guy, but I gotta ask: How has Mon-El managed to attract not one, but two women clearly superior to him?  

It's slim pickings out there.

[ottoDbusdriver]

On 12/4/2017 at 10:01 PM, bmoore4026 said:

So, that's what Shadow Lass Mon-El's wife looks like.  I like the voice, I must say.  I'm guessing she's not blue because that would have been a drain on the make up department?

What was particularly bad was the cheap prop dept. impact holes on the street (when Kara and Reign crashed down) and sidewalk (when Kara was dropped by Reign) -- because there were no holes, it was just stuff piled on the street to make it look like a hole.  In the street scene, you could even see the angled ramp edge of the platform that all the fake asphalt was piled on.

This episode needed 10 minutes less Ruby screen-time.  What was worse was Sam telling Ruby that she had work to do on Xmas Eve.
Sam talking to Ruby about the 'bestest Xmas ever' still messes with how she became CFO of a multinational corporation in 5 or 6 years time -- unless Sam was going to Wharton on a scholarship somehow.

Did Sam not realize she was wearing Reign underoos when she was at Catco before she saw Edge's photo and kicked into 'kill sinner' mode ?
And I guess the elevators at Catco do NOT have security cameras in them.

Let me get this straight -- Sam/Reign was at LCorp offices and reminisced with Ruby, burned her brand into that building near where James/Lean were walking, killed all the members of the 1-7 gang on the docks, rushed over to Catco since she "just heard" about the attack on James/Lena (exactly how did Sam/Reign "hear" about this ?), dashes off to try and kill Morgan Edge, Kara burns her logo on the roof of Catco (why didn't she pick a different building ?), Morgan Edge gives a press conference, Kara mopes as Mon-el/Imra workout, Kara gets a pep-talk from Alex, and then Sam/Reign and Kara beat the crap out of each other, nearly killing Kara.  All on Xmas Eve,

Who was watching Ruby when Sam/Reign was killing gang members, trying to kill Edge, and beating on Kara ?

Better question -- how many workplaces actually have their office Xmas party on Xmas Eve ? 

James and Lena -- just, stop. Please.

Edited December 6, 2017 by ottoDbusdriver

[Locutus]

I think Ruby's creation was threefold. A way to explain Reign's delay in emerging, giving Alex a kid, and the ultimate defeat of Reign when Sam emerges and sacrifices herself to save her daughter 

[mxc90]

1 hour ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

Who was watching Ruby when Sam/Reign was killing gang members, trying to kill Edge, and beating on Kara ?

Ruby invited herself to Tess' house for dinner and games, went home to watch the yule log burn all night then fell asleep and was totally oblivious to the news of Kara getting sent to the hospital.
 

1 hour ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

Better question -- how many workplaces actually have their office Xmas party on Xmas Eve ? 

 Only in the Arrowverse. I'm sure those people had to work the next day.

 

Did Edge and Arrow meet to discuss Krytptonian weaknesses? Arrow has Kryptonite and Edge has a lead panic room.

Now I have to wait until January to find out if Reign takes the supergirl chain away from Ruby or instruct her to go to the mall and exchange it for a toy.

Supergirl must take pleasure damaging or defacing the Catco building. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by mxc90

[thuganomics85]

Long may she Reign, indeed, I see.  That was a pretty brutal smackdown.  Hard to watch, but like with Zoom's beatdown on Barry in season two of The Flash, it is an effective way to really establish a bad guy, by having them just wipe the floor with the hero without breaking a sweat.  That's going to be hell of a thing to walk off!

OK, I really do appreciate how this show has such strong bonds with their female characters, but Sam already being considered a BFF in Kara's eyes really feels rushed and unearned.  Kara and Lena?  Yes, it feels natural, but I really am not buying them pulling something similar with Kara and Sam.  I suspect they are mainly doing this because they want to make it that more emotional when Kara finds out the truth, but it really isn't working for me.  And they're really not that close if Kara can't tell that Sam underneath the Reign mask.  Ah, comic book logic!

Looks like James/Lena is finally happening.  Sure, it's not likely to bump up his screen time any more then it already is, but at least Mehcad Brooks now gets to make out with Katie McGrath, so that's put him in a better spot then he's currently in!

I'm guessing Kara on death's door is going to make Mon-El revisit his feelings for her and they'll eventually reconcile.  Sucks for Imra, because she seems like a pretty awesome person (and extremely gorgeous to boot), but she can do better.  Hey, haven't they more or less dropped Winn's thing with that other alien from last season?  Maybe that could happened!  Well, that would require them to actually do something significant with Winn, which is feeling like a no go this season...

Glad J'onn is teaching his dad all the important stuff about Earth, but he really needs to get him on that Star Wars watch soon!  Just don't start with the prequels, obviously.

Morgan Edge continues to be the worst, but Adrian Pasdar continues to be the best.

They really are going to end up dumping Ruby on Alex when this is all said and done.  As usual, any scene with her makes me side with Maggie more and more.

Cool seeing Coville/Chad Lowe again.  And Vasquez!!

[Harry Potter]

I totally forgot about Winn until someone mentioned in the comments! Kara forgot him as one of her first best friends! Maybe she meant best girl friends. Although, she has not been that interactive with Winn for the past season. 

 

Dam. You hear that? That's my heart breaking for Kara. When she sees no love in his eyes when he looks at her. In a previous episode I mentioned perhaps he still has some feeling in her and his eyes won't hide from that fact. That would somehow make saturn girl realize he still has some unfinished feelings for his first real love. And there may be a chance for Mon-el to get back with Kara. I guess that theory is out lol. 

 

Maybe her near death experience at the end will cough up some flashback feelings for her. 

 

Also when Mon-el was talking about how his ship was hit by the missile and damaged the ship, it kinda sting when he said if they would help him find a way back home. Ouch. Home. In the future. Nothing here no more. Ah destiny, quite the playful character. 

 

Maybe it's for the best. They settle this triangle this season and Mon-el moves back into the future with saturn girl so the next season starts afresh. 

 

Kara's apartment Christmas decorations are goals. 

 

Where is the rest of the team to help supergirl. Saturn girl could just telepathically disable Reign. 

[Iceman91]

This ending was brutal, Reign isn't even at her top yet and she already destroyed Supergirl. I need 3B to be a big rebirth arc for Kara I'm tired of seeing her being beaten emotionally or physically in every episode.

Don't really care about James/Lena but they were kind of cute and it will give James something to do. 

As everybody already said it was ridiculous that nobody came to help Kara when the fight lasted as long as it did. 

So if you believe what Mon El and Imra said in this episode, he landed in the future by accident after going through a wormhole, they landed in the past by accident after going through another wormhole (totally normal) then woke up in the present just at the same time than Reign by accident again. It's a lot lot of coincidences so either they're lying or I've overestimated the writers and they are really lazy, I want to believe that there is more to Mon-El and LOSH than just creating more angst for Kara. Also, Imra was all smiling at the end so she has to know something

[cambridgeguy]

4 hours ago, Harry Potter said:

Maybe it's for the best. They settle this triangle this season and Mon-el moves back into the future with saturn girl so the next season starts afresh. 

As long as Benoist and Wood are dating in real life I can't imagine Mon-El being shipped off for good.  Speaking of Mon-El, I can't believe they made him the founder of the Legion.  I guess all of those future heroes just couldn't pull it together without the guy literally appearing out of nowhere.

I've gotta say, if Reign really did want to kill Supergirl then why drop her off a building and take off when she could have just pounded her into paste?