S08.E16: Emotional Roller Coaster

[BitterApple]

19 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

This has UBT written all over it. 

It really does. They're trying to sell the narrative that Barb was too incompetent to discipline Jace, so she sought out some quack to prescribe him pills to keep him under control. Naturally, if medical expert Jenelle had access to Jace's records earlier she never would've let that happen because she would've insisted on a psychiatric consult first. No matter what Barb does, they'll always paint her as the bad guy.

[Mr. Miner]

I can't wait until Jace is punching that skank in the nose.

[toodywoody]

That's the problem. Jenelle never listens to her mother at all. As soon as Barb starts to talk, Jenelle buts in. That is part of the reason Barb yells, is because Jenelle won't shut up and that's the only way she can get Jenelle to listen. Every time in that scene that Barb tried to say something Jenelle was talking over her or correcting her or just plain not listening. Then she wants to get all high and mighty about Barb yelling when she doesn't ever stop talking. If Jenelle would stop talking, let Barb say what she has to say, then just say ok, it wouldn't get to the point it gets to.

And dream on Jenelle, those weren't fans. One looked like an employee outside smoking talking to her boyfriend or husband and heard a ruckus and looked over. That's what I do when I'm outside doing the trash or doing whatever at my part time job and hear people fighting or talking loud. I look to make sure it is ok and someone isn't going to throw down.

[Brooklynista]

1 minute ago, Mr. Minor said:

I can't wait until Jace is punching that skank in the nose.

Whaddya think? I say about 2 more years for Jace to find the words and build the vocabulary to really tell Janelle what he feels about her? It won't be too long before that little boy fear is gone and he let's Janelle have it about trash talking Barb. Maybe another two after that before he stands up to UBT (like he'll still be around) and tells him to Fuck Off.

I only worry about David's anger being unleashed once Jace becomes another man in the house. Men like David need weak victims and I pray Jace is able to play it smart as he gets older.

[GreatKazu]

13 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

That's the problem. Jenelle never listens to her mother at all. As soon as Barb starts to talk, Jenelle buts in. That is part of the reason Barb yells, is because Jenelle won't shut up and that's the only way she can get Jenelle to listen. Every time in that scene that Barb tried to say something Jenelle was talking over her or correcting her or just plain not listening. Then she wants to get all high and mighty about Barb yelling when she doesn't ever stop talking. If Jenelle would stop talking, let Barb say what she has to say, then just say ok, it wouldn't get to the point it gets to. 

This is one of Jenelle's big pet peeves about Barb. She has mentioned numerous times how Barb cuts her off during mid-sentence. To be honest, those two have a terrible habit of cutting each other off. Jenelle does it way more often because she simply doesn't care what Barb has to say and she is so inattentive to begin with, but Barb does it as well just not as often. They each have told each other over the years, "Can you let me speak?!!!!" 

Edited October 18, 2017 by GreatKazu

[gunderda]

On 10/17/2017 at 7:43 AM, ghoulina said:

I thought Leah was making Ali get out to put on a life jacket? She then suggested a nap because Ali was having a fit over it. But Ali does tire more easily than others. I think Leah is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't in this situation. Gracie has been acting out lately, because she likely feels Ali gets a lot of extra attention - plus she admitted to feeling that SHE caused her sister's disability. But Ali also struggles because she sees her sister and peers doing stuff she can't do. I'm sure it's very hard to balance all that, and I do see Leah TRYING. 

I think Leah is struggling between giving Ali enough attention to offset the stuff she can't do that Gracie does, and giving Gracie the same amount of attention.  Also trying to get Gracie to wear her protective wear (knee pads, life jacket, i think a helmet sometimes too???) I mean that must be tough to make a kid put that stuff on when they know other kids their age don't have to do that.  And then you feel like a bad parent because your kid is crying about having to wear a life jacket.

On 10/17/2017 at 9:29 AM, kira28 said:

Strangely.i think what irritated me the most was that Janelle "didn't have time" to wrap Jaces present so she drapes kaisers blanket over it. I mean she has no job she doesn't take care of the kids she lives with and kaiser is in daycare most of the time so. What the fuck keeps her soo busy that she can't be bothered to wrap one present?? She thinks she deserves full custody of have but she's too damn lazy to do one simple thing for him. And I say this as someone who hates wrapping presents! It's as if she forgot to get him a gift so she stopped on the way to. His party and bought him that cheap truck. 

That was so weird! I thought the same thing - what are you doing all day that you can't wrap a present!?!

 

On 10/17/2017 at 11:00 AM, ClassyCourtHeels said:

Not to stereotype either but they were both older black guys correct? Not exactly the target demo. Probably just passing, laughing, and telling each other white people problems. 

To me it look like a male and female

19 hours ago, Sprockets said:

Yup.  And besides the fact that Gracie hated the ride, no amusement park ride is a substitute for actual therapy.  Leah wants the girls to be less work.  She wants them to be all the same so she can put in minimal effort.  

She actually liked it.  When they were done she said she wanted to do it again.  No for me, when i saw those carts twist around I said "OH HELL NO". I have a strong dislike of rollercoasters unless they're ones for little kids lol

[Sprockets]

42 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

This is one of Jenelle's big pet peeves about Barb. She has mentioned numerous times how Barb cuts her off during mid-sentence. To be honest, those two have a terrible habit of cutting each other off. Jenelle does it way more often because she simply doesn't care what Barb has to say and she is so inattentive to begin with, but Barb does it as well just not as often. They each have told each other over the years, "Can you let me speak?!!!!" 

 Minus the drugs, Barb and Jenelle are the same person.    

[Rebecca]

On 10/17/2017 at 8:44 AM, TexasGal said:

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Stella's first word was Lewwwwww-eesssss?

Her first sentence will probably be "I caaaannnn'tttt with thisssss!!!!" And by "this" I hope she will mean the coven.

On 10/17/2017 at 8:56 AM, Brooklynista said:

HA! This immediately put my in the mind of Jackie Brown.

If Briana doesn't have the sense to do anything else, I wish she could at least try to make Brittany quit cussing in front of the kids.  It's so classless.  Dropping the F word doesn't make you a badass.  It makes you a dumbass.

It sure fuckin' does!

22 hours ago, Sprockets said:

She did, you know, because inpatient treatment for anxiety is a thing, but only if you're from Possum Holler and you also TAKE PILLSES.

Which is definitely not what the wheelchair is for, and if it is at all funded by taxpayers using it wrongly is likely to get it taken away.  NOT A TOY, LEAH.. Also not a taxi.  

Why would it be funded by taxpayers?

20 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

I loved Jenelle's little "woe is me, I don't have a daddy to walk me down the aisle" speech...which she gave to her son...who has no father in his life.

Zero. Empathy. At. All.

20 hours ago, Sprockets said:

I think she should have Keifer walk her down the aisle - assuming he isnt in prison, of course.  

Brilliant!!! I need a Keifer cameo for some levity.

20 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Jenelle should have had Dustin walk her down the aisle. 

Ha! Or her real father, Satan himself.

17 hours ago, Liamsmom617 said:

 I know Leah and Corey don't always do what posters here feel they "should" re: Ali and her wheelchair, etc.

It's not just what posters "feel" they "should" do - it's what one of the top specialists in the country (world?) has ordered! I understand what you're saying but being a good parent often means making difficult decisions because they are right for the child.

16 hours ago, TGinKY said:

Rewinding back to when Leah first found out about Ali's condition - I remember her using a phrase very close to what Gracie used in tonight's episode.  Leah said there was not enough room for Ali and that was the reason for Ali's problems.  I think Leah said that in front of Gracie enough times that Gracie started believing it. You have a big mouth Leah and a small brain.

I said this previously, Gracie obviously got that idea from hearing Leah say it - either in person or from watching old episodes.

Edited October 18, 2017 by Rebecca

[Sprockets]

38 minutes ago, gunderda said:

She actually liked it.  When they were done she said she wanted to do it again.

That's what most kids say.  It was certainly not something she was enthusiastic about, but we don't know enough about her junk-food-fueled temperament to know if she is capable of enthusiasm.  All of those girls need to be in counseling, if there is adequate counseling in Chaw Holler.  

[GreatKazu]

Just now, Sprockets said:

 Minus the drugs, Barb and Jenelle are the same person.    

Minus the drugs, the mental disorders, the bad attitude, the dicks...

Add in Barb offers love and sympathy to Jace, she has a job, a home that she bought with her good credit and her well-earned money from her deli job at Walmart, a place Jenelle and UBT put down any chance they get.

[Rebecca]

1 minute ago, Sprockets said:

 Minus the drugs, Barb and Jenelle are the same person.    

Hell no. Jenelle is a sociopath who has shown herself to be incapable of empathy. That is not Barb. If they were the same person Jace would've long been taken by the state. Jenelle will never give up her "golden years" to raise her grandchild. Jenelle has never "stepped up to the plate" for anything. Barb has numerous times. I won't go on but I'm actually offended on Barb's behalf.

[Sprockets]

4 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Minus the drugs, the mental disorders, the bad attitude, the dicks...

Okay, and all of that.  Barb actually has a soul.  I have always thought Barb comes off smelling like a rose by comparison to Jenelle.  Barb screams her ass off in front of the kids.  Barb also criticizes Jenelle and David in front of Jace.  She does plenty of bad things along with the good.  I think Barb is about average, but compared to Jenelle she looks stellar.  

4 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Hell no. Jenelle is a sociopath who has shown herself to be incapable of empathy. That is not Barb.

Agreed.  See my expanded remark above.  

Edited October 18, 2017 by Sprockets
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[MyPeopleAreNordic]

11 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Minus the drugs, the mental disorders, the bad attitude, the dicks...

Add in Barb offers love and sympathy to Jace, she has a job, a home that she bought with her good credit and her well-earned money from her deli job at Walmart, a place Jenelle and UBT put down any chance they get.

 

11 minutes ago, Rebecca said:

Hell no. Jenelle is a sociopath who has shown herself to be incapable of empathy. That is not Barb. If they were the same person Jace would've long been taken by the state. Jenelle will never give up her "golden years" to raise her grandchild. Jenelle has never "stepped up to the plate" for anything. Barb has numerous times. I won't go on but I'm actually offended on Barb's behalf.

Exactly this. Jenelle only cares about Jenelle (& maybe her current soul mate). Barb cares about Jenelle and her other kids, despite what they (or at least Jenelle) have done to her. She got her kids and herself out of a domestic violence situation. She raised her kids herself while working full-time at a minimum wage job.  She's raising Jenelle's kid (when Jenelle couldn't be assed to do the minimum of parenting) and her sister's kid. She loves Jace. She loves Jenelle. She cares more about them than she does herself. Jenelle only cares about Jenelle. 

Edited October 18, 2017 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Rebecca]

Hell, Barb keeps giving Jenelle chance after chance after chance after chance, etc when the rest of us want to flush her down the toilet. Barb cannot accept that Jenelle is the demon she is because Barb still loves her and still has hope for her. She still worries about Jenelle even though Jenelle has shat on her every step of the way.

[GreatKazu]

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Okay, and all of that.  Barb actually has a soul.  I have always thought Barb comes off smelling like a rose by comparison to Jenelle.  Barb screams her ass off in front of the kids.  Barb also criticizes Jenelle and David in front of Jace.  She does plenty of bad things along with the good.  I think Barb is about average, but compared to Jenelle she looks stellar.

I always felt the best thing would be for Barb to cut off Jenelle from her life. But now that can't happen with Jace having visitation with his birth mother. I feel Jenelle brings out the worst in Barb. Remove Barb, Jenelle is still Satan's spawn. Remove Jenelle from Barb's life, Barb is at peace. 

[Sprockets]

1 minute ago, GreatKazu said:

I always felt the best thing would be for Barb to cut off Jenelle from her life.

I agree, and handovers could - and should - be done through a third party.  I think neither of them have done much to improve their relationship, which should have been their first priority.  When dealing with someone like Jenelle, achieving as much distance from them as possible is often the best thing.  

[TheRealT]

12 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

So the coven bitches about Luis constantly and their big thing was "diapers and wipes, get a job, etc." 

The guy shows up with diapers and wipes, explains he's been in training, and mother of the coven STILL laces into him the second she walks through the door! 

He is no prize, he's a loser, but he is putting up with some SERIOUS abuse just so he can see his daughter. How can she possibly think he would want to be around more? All they do is make him feel like shit and verbally abuse him! Mother of the coven doesn't get it. Maybe if it was pleasant for him to be there he would come around more! 

Yeah, Luis certainly isn't father of the year, but I actually feel bad for him. Up to the point we've seen, he basically has never had a moment with his daughter when he wasn't being glared at and/or berated. No wonder he doesn't seem super comfortable with her. I've seen dads (and moms) who didn't seem super comfortable with their babies for a while. Luckily, the people around them tried to support and encourage them, rather than telling them over and over what losers they were. I think it's huge that Luis puts up with all of the drama to spend any time with Stella. If he were more capable/confident as a parent and/or had his own support system, he would be able to demand to see Stella on his own turf, which I'm sure would drive the coven nuts.

Also, while I don't think he's an amazing father and provider off-camera, I don't necessarily take Brianna and Co.'s word for it that he "hasn't done shit." He doesn't respond when they say that, but I think, to some extent, he's trying not to argue with them and he knows he can't win. If he says, "Well, I gave you $200 last week," they would respond, "$200? WTF is that supposed to do? Do you know how much it costs to provide [long, dramatic list] for your daughter?!?!" So he says nothing and just lets them rant. He also keeps quiet when they accuse him of getting Brianna into this situation, when he could say she's equally responsible for having unprotected sex with a stranger, etc., etc.

[gunderda]

23 minutes ago, Sprockets said:

That's what most kids say.  It was certainly not something she was enthusiastic about, but we don't know enough about her junk-food-fueled temperament to know if she is capable of enthusiasm.  All of those girls need to be in counseling, if there is adequate counseling in Chaw Holler.  

uhhh what kids are you around that when they don't like a pretty terrifying ride (to me) they get off and say they want to do it again?? most of the ones I know would be bawling and screaming to get off!

I think it's safe to say she liked it. Gracie doesn't seem like the type to lie and say she liked something when she hated it.  Shes got too much 'tude for that.

[MaggieG]

Ugh Roxanne is insane! When Britanny was going on about how she hoped Luis would get an STD on is dick or something vulgar like that, Roxanne tried to shush her and say "Nova is here." Then when Luis shows up later she goes off on him with f-bombs in front of Nova. The woman is not happy unless everyone around her is miserable.

Fuck Jenelle and Kail.

I love Watson and his facial expressions! His cheeks!!

[FairyDusted]

1 hour ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

 

Exactly this. Jenelle only cares about Jenelle (& maybe her current soul mate). Barb cares about Jenelle and her other kids, despite what they (or at least Jenelle) have done to her. She got her kids and herself out of a domestic violence situation. She raised her kids herself while working full-time at a minimum wage job.  She's raising Jenelle's kid (when Jenelle couldn't be assed to do the minimum of parenting) and her sister's kid. She loves Jace. She loves Jenelle. She cares more about them than she does herself. Jenelle only cares about Jenelle. 

Damn. I just burst into tears looking at these posts. SMH...I'm not an organized religion type of Gal but I do pray. As the SmartAss part of me says...Jesus God Janelle! Don't ever have anymore children. You clearly can't handle it. Or UBT.

ETA: No idea where the other posts went but you get the drift.

Edited October 18, 2017 by FairyDusted

[ghoulina]

22 hours ago, CaliforniaLove said:

I loved Jenelle's little "woe is me, I don't have a daddy to walk me down the aisle" speech...which she gave to her son...who has no father in his life.

Narcissistic Jenelle wouldn't even see it that way. She'd be all, "What? I've given you like FIVE daddies. You've had way more than most people. And David is your dad now and he teaches you so much about being a man - like intimidating women and children. You should be grateful!"

[TresGatos]

22 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

This bitch is fucking insane! 

Someone on Ashley's referred to her as an "insane narwhal." It seemed fitting. 

[ghoulina]

17 hours ago, Sprockets said:

Exactly.  The daughters need to get away from that shrewbitch from hell.  I feel like Briane and Luis could probably be civil to each other without Screechy McCuntface always ramping up the drama.  That is no fit environment for Nova or Stella either.  

I agree. I'm not excusing Briana and Brittany, because they ARE adults. But I think Roxanne is the catalyst for most of the shit that goes on in their lives. I'd love to see both sisters move out. Brittany is young and single. She needs a break from being the physical AND emotional caretaker. 

 

17 hours ago, DudeLeaveMeAlone said:

Hey Roxanne, you know who is a punk, bitch? YOU. You’re so considerate to expose your newborn granddaughter, with a HEART DEFECT, to second hand smoke. I can’t with this bitch.

THANK YOU! I forgot about that, but I noticed her going out to the balcony to smoke. Even if she does it only outside, it can still get inside. And she can transfer it via her hair, clothes, etc. But she's more worried about Luis achieving the impossible dream of pleasing them. 

 

10 hours ago, Spiderella2 said:

As much as I like that we can now hear what Jace really thinks, it scares me whenever he does the j/k thing because I feel like he may get hurt more because of it.

I feel like he is testing her. She's been super "nice" and "involved" lately (I use quotes, because she's fake) and MAYBE he's feeling like he might be able to be honest with her. But he's not sure. So he says something.....and then when he doesn't get a concerned or supportive response, he throws out a "JK" to be safe. It makes me super sad. 

[Bblack3]

So Jenelle had time to review Jace's medical records (which I don't believe), but no time to wrap a present for Jace?

 

Also, what was keeping her from actually going to his school and maybe out to dinner on the night of his actual birthday? Oh right, nothing. Way to show how much you love him. A little FaceTime chat is all you get. Not like she didn't have time to plan, she knows when his birthday is, I think!

 

i don't know if I can believe Luis is some "casting" stand-in. There's no way Roxanne is that good of an actress. And if so, Luis better be getting some good $ because they're awful! But I could believe he's maybe not the father. If they were just hooking up in the club, who knows how many others there were. 

[ghoulina]

3 hours ago, gunderda said:

think Leah is struggling between giving Ali enough attention to offset the stuff she can't do that Gracie does, and giving Gracie the same amount of attention.  Also trying to get Gracie to wear her protective wear (knee pads, life jacket, i think a helmet sometimes too???) I mean that must be tough to make a kid put that stuff on when they know other kids their age don't have to do that.  And then you feel like a bad parent because your kid is crying about having to wear a life jacket

Yea, as a parent, it's really hard for me to judge. Of course you want to do what is best for your child, but you also want them to be happy. Sometimes those don't coincide. I think Leah is TRYING. She certainly isn't perfect, and I can find many flaws with the girl....but I have been seeing more of an effort from her lately, so I appreciate that. 

 

2 hours ago, Sprockets said:

 Minus the drugs, Barb and Jenelle are the same person.

And the dick hopping. And the extensive arrest record. And the not caring for her children. 

I don't think drugs CAUSED all of the above in Jenelle. I think they just make her natural suckage worse. 

2 hours ago, gunderda said:

uhhh what kids are you around that when they don't like a pretty terrifying ride (to me) they get off and say they want to do it again?? most of the ones I know would be bawling and screaming to get off!

I think it's safe to say she liked it. Gracie doesn't seem like the type to lie and say she liked something when she hated it.  Shes got too much 'tude for that.

Plus, I think the way she was acting before it started was her way of being over-dramatic. I've noticed that about her. She probably started doing it for attention, because of the dynamic with her sister. Now she just does it a lot. 

3 minutes ago, Bblack3 said:

So Jenelle had time to review Jace's medical records (which I don't believe), but no time to wrap a present for Jace?

Because wrapping a present doesn't allow her to fuck with Barb. 

[teapot]

11 minutes ago, Bblack3 said:

So Jenelle had time to review Jace's medical records (which I don't believe), but no time to wrap a present for Jace?

 

We all just need to think of how our children would look at us if we gave them a gift wrapped in a blanket that we had lying around & told them we didn't have time to properly wrap it.  Boy-child would be like "Mom, you need to slow down on the wine..."

mind you, I am not good at wrapping *at all* so I am the Queen of gift bags!  Just save 'em when you get a gift so you always have one when you need it!  NOT HARD JENELLE!!!!

[Sprockets]

35 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

And she can transfer it via her hair, clothes, etc. 

As long as she always goes outside, there is no smoke to transfer.  I'm much more concerned with all of the screaming and anger being transferred.  

[Sprockets]

53 minutes ago, Bblack3 said:

If they were just hooking up in the club, who knows how many others there were

Oh no, you think Briana was "pulling a train" with that ridiculous ass?  I've always had difficulty believing Luis could work up enough passion to do the deed. . . .

53 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Yea, as a parent, it's really hard for me to judge. Of course you want to do what is best for your child, but you also want them to be happy. Sometimes those don't coincide. I think Leah is TRYING. She certainly isn't perfect, and I can find many flaws with the girl....but I have been seeing more of an effort from her lately, so I appreciate that. 

I think Leah is trying intermittently, like she does with everything.  I think she cares intermittently.  Hell, I think she is conscious intermittently.  If she could say the word or spell it, it would be her nickname.  

She also believes she is a much better parent than she is, just as she did with the public speaking.   

[TheRealT]

2 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I always felt the best thing would be for Barb to cut off Jenelle from her life. But now that can't happen with Jace having visitation with his birth mother. I feel Jenelle brings out the worst in Barb. Remove Barb, Jenelle is still Satan's spawn. Remove Jenelle from Barb's life, Barb is at peace. 

I saw an old clip recently in which Barb said that she's already lost Jenelle and she just has to accept it. So she has/had that clarity on some level. It really would be best for her, and probably for her having an at least civil relationship with Jenelle, if they had little to no contact. If it weren't for them being co-parents and coworkers, that would probably be the case. But, it's been harder for Barb to just tune out/accept Jenelle's bad choices while she spent years hoping Jenelle would become a suitable parent to Jace and, even now, she has to co-parent Jace with her, so she can't just turn a blind eye to what a mess Jenelle is. She's also never had the chance to take a long break from Jenelle and get some perspective on her own feelings about the situation; Jace and all the custody drama have always been in the middle of everything and she's been forced to deal with Jenelle in some way or other.

42 minutes ago, Bblack3 said:

i don't know if I can believe Luis is some "casting" stand-in. There's no way Roxanne is that good of an actress. And if so, Luis better be getting some good $ because they're awful! But I could believe he's maybe not the father. If they were just hooking up in the club, who knows how many others there were. 

I think Roxanne intentionally manufactures a lot of her drama, so I don't think it would be hard for her to get amped up to cuss out a fake baby daddy. That's how she's able to work up a good lather no matter what Luis does or doesn't do. It's her "storyline" to be the fierce, take-no-bullshit mama bear who's going to call the deadbeat dad out. I think she hopes/imagines that other women (and men) who've been wronged by deadbeat dads are fist pumping, cheering her on, and quoting her in water cooler conversations the next day. I think she encourages Brittany and Brianna to do the same. This is their second shot at the reality brass ring and I think the brand they're going for is spunky, no-bullshit, strong women who don't hesitate to "stand up for themselves and each other" and they think this is what that looks like (taking turns cussing Luis out and blaming him for Brianna's/their poor choices). I believe that Roxanne's pain and anger toward men are real, but I also think she plans to berate Luis in every scene and even prepares lines that she hopes will be quotable in advance.

[ghoulina]

41 minutes ago, Sprockets said:

As long as she always goes outside, there is no smoke to transfer.  I'm much more concerned with all of the screaming and anger being transferred.  

Not true. Residual smoke can cling to her clothes and hair. Does she wash from head to toe and change her clothes every time she has a cigarette? My husband was a smoker for years and he always went outside. I wasn't AS worried, because we didn't have any children with a medical condition. But 3rd hand smoke IS a real thing. And given that Stella was having trouble breathing, I'd be trying to cut that crap out. 

Just another reason to live in separate homes. 

[mrsh]

4 hours ago, Brooklynista said:

Whaddya think? I say about 2 more years for Jace to find the words and build the vocabulary to really tell Janelle what he feels about her? It won't be too long before that little boy fear is gone and he let's Janelle have it about trash talking Barb. Maybe another two after that before he stands up to UBT (like he'll still be around) and tells him to Fuck Off.

I only worry about David's anger being unleashed once Jace becomes another man in the house. Men like David need weak victims and I pray Jace is able to play it smart as he gets older.

 I'm sure by then UBT will have murdered Jenelle and buried her on The Land, assuming he isnt caught I would imagine that with Jenelle being "missing" there would be zero reason for Jace or the Roll to be around UBT

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, Sprockets said:

That's what most kids say.  It was certainly not something she was enthusiastic about, but we don't know enough about her junk-food-fueled temperament to know if she is capable of enthusiasm.  All of those girls need to be in counseling, if there is adequate counseling in Chaw Holler.  

We do actually have actual counseling facilities here in the 'holler. With real ceritifications and everything. 

[mamadrama]

3 hours ago, gunderda said:

uhhh what kids are you around that when they don't like a pretty terrifying ride (to me) they get off and say they want to do it again?? most of the ones I know would be bawling and screaming to get off!

I think it's safe to say she liked it. Gracie doesn't seem like the type to lie and say she liked something when she hated it.  Shes got too much 'tude for that.

True. If my kids don't like a ride, they pull me far, far away from it. Actually, my son has started threatening me with DATELINE, as in, "If you take me on that again, people will be seeing you on an upcoming episode." He is 10. But if they like it, they're all "let's go again"! I find most kids to be pretty honest in general

[Spiderella2]

13 hours ago, HoosierJen said:

Spiderella2, thank you for your concern. Yes, she's fine . . . she's actually 21 now and perfectly healthy (except for those holes in her heart). Nobody knows she has a heart problem unless we tell them, and everyone is always surprised to find out -- she looks like the picture of health. 

As far as the advice that Briana was given, it sounded right. We were told to always watch my daughter to see if she seemed out of breath or abnormally tired. She goes to the pediatric cardiologist once a year to get the holes measured -- as long as they are within a certain size limit, no surgical intervention is needed. This summer was actually a big moment for us because it was her last visit to the 'pediatric' cardiologist -- her next visit will be to a regular cardiologist. The only physical restriction she's ever had is that she can't scuba dive. One thing that I remember the cardiologist telling me when my daughter was a baby was that I was to treat her exactly like I treated her older brother . . . if he played soccer, let her play soccer; if he climbed a tree, let her climb as well; if I was a spanking parent, spank both of them for the same infraction. He said the problem comes when parents treat their kids differently and try to protect the one with the heart defect. He said it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy -- you keep them out of sports and try to cushion them from everything, hence their body doesn't build up its strength. I hope that Briana gets this same advice and treats both of her girls the same.

Briana is the type of parent that I usually love to meet in the cardiologist's waiting room -- new baby, just got the diagnosis, scared to death. I remember how that felt, and I think it makes them feel so much better to see my daughter -- college senior, beautiful, strong, played volleyball and ran cross country all through high school -- becuase they realize that a heart defect will not prevent their child from doing anything in life. 

Thank you for responding. I’m so glad she is doing well, in fact, sounds like she is thriving! And it’s awesome that you were able to allow her to participate in sports. And not let her condition limit her in any way. She probably appreciates that so much. Blessings. 

[CofCinci]

8 hours ago, Rebecca said:

It's not just what posters "feel" they "should" do - it's what one of the top specialists in the country (world?) has ordered! I understand what you're saying but being a good parent often means making difficult decisions because they are right for the child.

There are families that pray every night for their ill children to see a specialist like Dr. Tsao.  They make sacrifices to afford the travel and copayments. Communities come together to raise money. Charities and organizations help foreign children come to the Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Tsao and others. They come to the appointment and take notes.  They take his treatment recommendations seriously.  The family is forever grateful for the consultation/treatment.  Leah and Corey get more one-on-one time with him than the average family and they willfully disregard every single recommendation!!!  MTV pays them hundreds of thousands of dollars but it doesn’t buy these fucks any sense.  They are bordering on medical neglect.  Between Jenelle ignoring the fear in her sons’ eyes and Ali’s medical neglect, I don’t want to watch this show anymore.  These ‘mothers’ have become wealthy due to the pain their children endure — and their willingness to film it, like the whores they are.  Brianne faked this adoption storyline to win the role over that other chick — but no one bothered to send Nova the memo that it was all a lie. I can only imagine the confusion and insecurity the child felt over the potential (ha,ha) adoption.  I just can’t watch this shit anymore yet I enjoy reading everyone’s comments and participating in the discussion. Is anyone else struggling with this?

Edited October 19, 2017 by CofCinci

[mamadrama]

56 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

There are families that pray every night for their ill children to see a specialist like Dr. Tsao.  They make sacrifices to afford the travel and copayments. Communities come together to raise money. Charities and organizations help foreign children come to the Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Tsao and others. They come to the appointment and take notes.  They take his treatment recommendations seriously.  The family is forever grateful for the consultation/treatment.  Leah and Corey get more one-on-one time with him than the average family and they willfully disregard every single recommendation!!!  MTV pays them hundreds of thousands of dollars but it doesn’t buy these fucks any sense.  They are bordering on medical neglect.  Between Jenelle ignoring the fear in her sons’ eyes and Ali’s medical neglect, I don’t want to watch this show anymore.  These ‘mothers’ have become wealthy due to the pain their children endure — and their willingness to film it, like the whores they are.  Brianne faked this adoption storyline to win the role over that other chick — but no one bothered to send Nova the memo that it was all a lie. I can only imagine the confusion and insecurity the child felt over the potential (ha,ha) adoption.  I just can’t watch this shit anymore yet I enjoy reading everyone’s comments and participating in the discussion. Is anyone else struggling with this?

I have three rare disorders (a "cluster" of medical conditions that are often found together): Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Chiari Malformation, and Mast Cell Activation Disorder. The EDS is slowly killing me; I've lost my uterus, kidney, spleen, gallbladder, and appendix to ruptures and I now have a thoracic anyerusm that is too big to operate on. Two weeks ago, part of my intestines necrotized and ruptured. We don't have specialists for any of these in my state. Because there are so few specialists period, the wait list to see any of them is up to 2 years. I have been on the wait list for the EDS Center in Baltimore for 2 1/2 years. I had to travel two states away for my brain surgery because that was the closest hospital to me that could do it. There are no "cures" for any of these but the specialists help us find ways to manage the symptoms. People with Vascular EDS, my kind, die every day from spontaneous ruptures and heart issues and for many it's because we don't have proper medical care. 

 

TL/DR: Yeah, this fuckers piss me off. They act totally nonchalant and dismissive of opportunities that some of us are literally dying to have. 

[Isthisok]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

I have three rare disorders (a "cluster" of medical conditions that are often found together): Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Chiari Malformation, and Mast Cell Activation Disorder. The EDS is slowly killing me; I've lost my uterus, kidney, spleen, gallbladder, and appendix to ruptures and I now have a thoracic anyerusm that is too big to operate on. Two weeks ago, part of my intestines necrotized and ruptured. We don't have specialists for any of these in my state. Because there are so few specialists period, the wait list to see any of them is up to 2 years. I have been on the wait list for the EDS Center in Baltimore for 2 1/2 years. I had to travel two states away for my brain surgery because that was the closest hospital to me that could do it. There are no "cures" for any of these but the specialists help us find ways to manage the symptoms. People with Vascular EDS, my kind, die every day from spontaneous ruptures and heart issues and for many it's because we don't have proper medical care. 

 

TL/DR: Yeah, this fuckers piss me off. They act totally nonchalant and dismissive of opportunities that some of us are literally dying to have. 

I'm a fellow VEDSer. No Chiari, just POTS. I did get stuck with a Loey-Dietz related mutation in addition to the COL3A1, lucky me! I've only had a ruptured stomach (ruptured in my chest cavity, because it moved through a hernia) and collapsed lungs. The medical neglect and general disregard for motherhood on this show pisses me off beyond belief.

[guilfoyleatpp]

3 hours ago, CofCinci said:

There are families that pray every night for their ill children to see a specialist like Dr. Tsao.  They make sacrifices to afford the travel and copayments. Communities come together to raise money. Charities and organizations help foreign children come to the Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Tsao and others. They come to the appointment and take notes.  They take his treatment recommendations seriously.  The family is forever grateful for the consultation/treatment.  Leah and Corey get more one-on-one time with him than the average family and they willfully disregard every single recommendation!!!  MTV pays them hundreds of thousands of dollars but it doesn’t buy these fucks any sense.  They are bordering on medical neglect.  Between Jenelle ignoring the fear in her sons’ eyes and Ali’s medical neglect, I don’t want to watch this show anymore.  These ‘mothers’ have become wealthy due to the pain their children endure — and their willingness to film it, like the whores they are.  Brianne faked this adoption storyline to win the role over that other chick — but no one bothered to send Nova the memo that it was all a lie. I can only imagine the confusion and insecurity the child felt over the potential (ha,ha) adoption.  I just can’t watch this shit anymore yet I enjoy reading everyone’s comments and participating in the discussion. Is anyone else struggling with this?

Amen Cinci!

[TimeToCancelTM]

4 hours ago, CofCinci said:

There are families that pray every night for their ill children to see a specialist like Dr. Tsao.  They make sacrifices to afford the travel and copayments. Communities come together to raise money. Charities and organizations help foreign children come to the Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Tsao and others. They come to the appointment and take notes.  They take his treatment recommendations seriously.  The family is forever grateful for the consultation/treatment.  Leah and Corey get more one-on-one time with him than the average family and they willfully disregard every single recommendation!!!  MTV pays them hundreds of thousands of dollars but it doesn’t buy these fucks any sense.  They are bordering on medical neglect.  Between Jenelle ignoring the fear in her sons’ eyes and Ali’s medical neglect, I don’t want to watch this show anymore.  These ‘mothers’ have become wealthy due to the pain their children endure — and their willingness to film it, like the whores they are.  Brianne faked this adoption storyline to win the role over that other chick — but no one bothered to send Nova the memo that it was all a lie. I can only imagine the confusion and insecurity the child felt over the potential (ha,ha) adoption.  I just can’t watch this shit anymore yet I enjoy reading everyone’s comments and participating in the discussion. Is anyone else struggling with this?

 

9 hours ago, TheRealT said:

I saw an old clip recently in which Barb said that she's already lost Jenelle and she just has to accept it. So she has/had that clarity on some level. It really would be best for her, and probably for her having an at least civil relationship with Jenelle, if they had little to no contact. If it weren't for them being co-parents and coworkers, that would probably be the case. But, it's been harder for Barb to just tune out/accept Jenelle's bad choices while she spent years hoping Jenelle would become a suitable parent to Jace and, even now, she has to co-parent Jace with her, so she can't just turn a blind eye to what a mess Jenelle is. She's also never had the chance to take a long break from Jenelle and get some perspective on her own feelings about the situation; Jace and all the custody drama have always been in the middle of everything and she's been forced to deal with Jenelle in some way or other.

I think Roxanne intentionally manufactures a lot of her drama, so I don't think it would be hard for her to get amped up to cuss out a fake baby daddy. That's how she's able to work up a good lather no matter what Luis does or doesn't do. It's her "storyline" to be the fierce, take-no-bullshit mama bear who's going to call the deadbeat dad out. I think she hopes/imagines that other women (and men) who've been wronged by deadbeat dads are fist pumping, cheering her on, and quoting her in water cooler conversations the next day. I think she encourages Brittany and Brianna to do the same. This is their second shot at the reality brass ring and I think the brand they're going for is spunky, no-bullshit, strong women who don't hesitate to "stand up for themselves and each other" and they think this is what that looks like (taking turns cussing Luis out and blaming him for Brianna's/their poor choices). I believe that Roxanne's pain and anger toward men are real, but I also think she plans to berate Luis in every scene and even prepares lines that she hopes will be quotable in advance.

100% agree about roxanne!! This bitch practices these lines in the mirror with the dirty looks and all... i also 100% agree that the're hoping this will be their cash/cow storyline... 

[KittyKat133]

On 10/17/2017 at 5:28 PM, GreatKazu said:

Jenelle gets major eye roll from me and a middle finger.

What Jenelle is doing is, she is exercising her new-found control over Jace. She was just recently ordered to have the right to access Jace's medical and school records. With all of that documentation in her hands, she and UBT likely sat down and skimmed through it all. I can see UBT telling Jenelle, Barb is the one with a screw loose and she is now going to screw up Jace like she did all her kids. 

Jenelle had plenty of time to inquire about Jace's health and mental well-being since he was first diagnosed. She didn't need to have custody of him to show her concern or to go with her mother to Jace's doctor's visits.  Just because she didn't have custody of him or have the legal power to act on his behalf, that doesn't mean she couldn't have had a well-meaning sit down with her mother to discuss Jace's overall health and give her input on what she would like for Jace. Jenelle acts like all of a sudden she was hearing for the first time about his mental issues and his medication. Barb informed Jenelle at least three years ago about his mental health problems. Why didn't she say something about it then? All she said was she was worried about Jace becoming addicted to the meds. That was the extent of her concern. Jenelle had no care about Jace. She never attended any of his school meetings when Barb asked her to. Jenelle couldn't bother to inquire about what was happening in Jace's life because, as usual, everything is about Jenelle. She was too involved with her various boyfriends. She always had an excuse for why she couldn't devote any time for Jace. She couldn't even be there for Jace's soap box derby because she had to go to spring break. I haven't forgotten the popcorn fiasco that Jenelle couldn't bother with because it was more important to stick it to Barb than to help her own child. 

Not sure if this was mentioned as I skimmed the most recent comments (I have a two test old and a newborn! Yikes!) but barb did take him to a psychologist and a therapist who recommended medication, the pediatrician perscribed it based on their recommendation. I really see no difference if a pediatrician wrote the script or a psychiatrist. He was given meds off of a mental health professionals request. 

[lezlers]

On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 6:42 PM, Scarlett45 said:

It really is. Whenever I see or hear of women behaving this way, I think "does his penis vibrate??!!" Because that's the ONLY explanation I can come up with for such folly. 

Edited to Add- Kailyn is such a drama queen. Of course I agree all women deserve adequate health care while pregnant (even if they are awful people), but her hands and feet weren't that swollen. Tons of people have swollen hands and feet on tropical vacations- the combination of heat, humidity, and alcohol consumption/vacation diet can turn do that to anyone. I was a maid of honor for a wedding in St Lucia and ALL of the women in the bridal party (including the size 2 bride) had trouble with their shoes and certain outfits- it was the humidity. ?

Right?  I swelled up towards the end in both my pregnancies and I wasn't travelling to a tropical island, eating a bunch of salty fried food and hanging out on the beach.  Of course she's going to swell up.  What a fucking drama queen.   I loved that doctor tho who was just like "what's your problem?  You've never had pre-eclampsia?  So why do you think you're at risk now?"  Her tone would've normally annoyed me because it was very dismissive and put upon, but coming at Kail I loved every second of it.

Edited October 19, 2017 by lezlers

[AmandaUnbidden]

12 hours ago, CofCinci said:

There are families that pray every night for their ill children to see a specialist like Dr. Tsao.  They make sacrifices to afford the travel and copayments. Communities come together to raise money. Charities and organizations help foreign children come to the Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Tsao and others. They come to the appointment and take notes.  They take his treatment recommendations seriously.  The family is forever grateful for the consultation/treatment.  Leah and Corey get more one-on-one time with him than the average family and they willfully disregard every single recommendation!!!  MTV pays them hundreds of thousands of dollars but it doesn’t buy these fucks any sense.  They are bordering on medical neglect.  Between Jenelle ignoring the fear in her sons’ eyes and Ali’s medical neglect, I don’t want to watch this show anymore.  These ‘mothers’ have become wealthy due to the pain their children endure — and their willingness to film it, like the whores they are.  Brianne faked this adoption storyline to win the role over that other chick — but no one bothered to send Nova the memo that it was all a lie. I can only imagine the confusion and insecurity the child felt over the potential (ha,ha) adoption.  I just can’t watch this shit anymore yet I enjoy reading everyone’s comments and participating in the discussion. Is anyone else struggling with this?

I struggle with this as well. Especially the Nova part. I really believe Brianna and co are the the most fake of the whole bunch. I agree that they concocted this whole pregnancy/adoption storyline to get on TV again. It makes me so angry that they don't seem to care how all of this will affect Nova and the new baby. I mean how is Nova going to grow up and be a healthy, mentally stable adult when her mother, not only, put her life on TV for entertainment but also concocted a whole lie about contemplating adoption for her little sister that she wasn't in on. How is Nova ever going to know what is real and what's not?

At the end of the day, I have to really question whether any of these moms really care about their children's wellbeing. Money is not everything. These children would be better off living in a household that is struggling to pay the bills than in front of a camera having their whole lives dissected. I have a feeling even Chelsea or, maybe only Chelsea, will regret doing this show when they see the effects it has on their children in the future. I hope some of them come out unscathed but I very much doubt it. 

[ShaNaeNae]

On 10/16/2017 at 11:36 PM, GreatKazu said:

Leah: It looked like the assistant producer guy who was at Jenelle's house in last week's episode, was with Leah at Busch Gardens. He was sitting in the car behind Leah on the rollercoaster. 

I noticed him immediately because isn't he who Duh-nelle, MD calls her "bodyguard".  She kept saying she's having someone "epic" to officiate her wedding and everyone will have to wait and see and it turns out to be...him.  I've been wondering ever since why she needs a bodyguard and now that I saw him riding with Leah on the coaster, I see now he's part of the show, not Jenelle's own personal bodyguard like she's Mariah Fucking Carey.

Roxanne is the trashiest bitch on TV.  I think part of it is she's showing off for the cameras.  She's probably your every day variety bitch all the time.  When cameras come around her inner star seems to want to shine and Luis is her target, whether he's there or not.  I can't stand that woman or her offspring.  Brittany: "we can never catch a break".  You all make the worst decisions and because of your bad decisions you have been offered to be on a national television show being paid for one episode what I won't make in a year.  And you can't catch a break?  Fuck you all.

Edited October 19, 2017 by ShaNaeNae

[Brooklynista]

27 minutes ago, ShaNaeNae said:

I noticed him immediately because isn't he who Duh-nelle, MD calls her "bodyguard".  She kept saying she's having someone "epic" to officiate her wedding and everyone will have to wait and see and it turns out to be...him.  I've been wondering ever since why she needs a bodyguard and now that I saw him riding with Leah on the coaster, I see now he's part of the show, not Jenelle's own personal bodyguard like she's Mariah Fucking Carey.

Roxanne is the trashiest bitch on TV.  I think part of it is she's showing off for the cameras.  She's probably your every day variety bitch all the time.  When cameras come around her inner star seems to want to shine and Luis is her target, whether he's there or not.  I can't stand that woman or her offspring.  Brittany: "we can never catch a break".  You all make the worst decisions and because of your bad decisions you have been offered to be on a national television show being paid for one episode what I won't make in a year.  And you can't catch a break?  Fuck you all.

Goodness yes.  Everything happens TO the Dejesus women, not BECAUSE of them. Tell baby sis to stop fucking randoms. Brittany...AH MOVE! Leave that damn house! Roxanne, STFU! Just because whatever loser you spawned with was a piece of shit, doesn't make all men shit.  Instead of preaching that bullshit to her girls, she should be telling them to wait for a man has something going for him.

Brittany still has a chance if she drops the Rhonda Rousey routine.  Briana is done. Her Eeyore ass will never have decent man.  She's a lifesuck and nobody wants to hang around that.

[lezlers]

On ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 3:35 AM, Sprockets said:

Brilliant!  She's a giant sea turtle!  

They were all entirely wasted.  Leah's mom was totally gone.  So unattractive.  

How can you tell?  Mama Dawn has those beady little eyes so you can't even really see her pupils and no one was slurring their words or nodding off or anything.  I can't stand any of them but they didn't seem under the influence at all.  I'm genuinely curious what you're seeing that I'm not.

[Sprockets]

7 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I'm genuinely curious what you're seeing that I'm not.

Because of the nature of this medium, I can't show you what I'm seeing, but I am a child of the 60s and 70s, and spotting the wasted is second nature for me. A vowel held too long, facial drooping, odd mannerisms and so on.  And of course it's all subjective and everything here is opinion.  

[poopchute]

12 minutes ago, lezlers said:

How can you tell?  Mama Dawn has those beady little eyes so you can't even really see her pupils and no one was slurring their words or nodding off or anything.  I can't stand any of them but they didn't seem under the influence at all.  I'm genuinely curious what you're seeing that I'm not.

Leah was struggling to get through the sentence “I wish my twins were the same age so I could do things with both of them.”

[TheRealT]

4 hours ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

I struggle with this as well. Especially the Nova part. I really believe Brianna and co are the the most fake of the whole bunch. I agree that they concocted this whole pregnancy/adoption storyline to get on TV again. It makes me so angry that they don't seem to care how all of this will affect Nova and the new baby. I mean how is Nova going to grow up and be a healthy, mentally stable adult when her mother, not only, put her life on TV for entertainment but also concocted a whole lie about contemplating adoption for her little sister that she wasn't in on. How is Nova ever going to know what is real and what's not?

They also use the adoption story as a cudgel to beat Luis, as in, "Brianna only kept Stella because you wouldn't let her place her for adoption and now you're not doing shit!" That's really disturbing and sends a message to Nova (and later Stella) that they were basically tricked or screwed into keeping Stella and if Luis weren't such an asshole she wouldn't be in their family. They also often draw parallels between how Brianna/the coven are getting screwed by Luis AGAIN, just like they did with Devoin, so it's not much of a leap for Nova to feel like she too is a burden with which they got stuck and which is at the root of their misery. To me, that stuff is the worst of all the inappropriate things they talk about in front of Nova. Even with Stella, though she can't understand what they're saying yet, she surely picks up on the negative vibes and outright yelling and crying. 

[ShaNaeNae]

35 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Leah was struggling to get through the sentence “I wish my twins were the same age so I could do things with both of them.”

I just realized how ridiculous that sentence sounds.  I knew it was ridic already, but reading it just like that almost made me pee myself. 

[lezlers]

53 minutes ago, poopchute said:

Leah was struggling to get through the sentence “I wish my twins were the same age so I could do things with both of them.”

I think she was referring to Addie and Gracie, since Addie and Gracie can do things together that Ali can't.   Also, we all know Leah isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.  Her inability to form a coherent thought doesn't mean everyone at the table is wasted.