S07.E02: Stormborn

[FemmyV]

4 minutes ago, Diana Berry said:

Any chance Nymeria might make another appearance and realize that Arya needs her?   I just don't want that to be the last encounter.( what are these wet things in my eyes?).

 

Also , where is a Ghost?

GRRM: "You don't hang a pack of wolves on the wall and not use them." If not in the show, then they will appear and be useful in the future books. If they ever come out.

 

Ghost is saving himself for his season's close up.

Edited July 24, 2017 by FemmyV

[Minneapple]

No one knew Euron's fleet was done and headed for King's Landing, no one knew that Jon was king in the north, Yara's entire fleet was asleep (WTF?)...and yet, 30 seconds after Sansa arrived at the wall last season, Ramsey had sent a letter demanding she be returned. The writing on this show sometimes, man. How the hell do you spent a billion dollars on all your CGI dragons and then write a 50-cent script?

But, I will forgive D&D a lot if they write a good Sansa/Arya reunion. 

Edited July 24, 2017 by Minneapple

[Growsonwalls]

One thing I dislike so much in an otherwise great start to the season is how they've written Jaime. Back to being Cersei's little lapdog. Book Jaime was so much more complex and for awhile the show followed that complexity. He had a very dark side yes (after all he threw Bran out of a tower) but his relationships with Tyrion and Brienne were humanizing. Now he's just Cersei's bitch on the show. I hope they can develop him further but I doubt it considering the multitude of storylines the show now has and the show's investment in Cersei as a central character.

[Oscirus]

1 minute ago, Constantinople said:

Of all the eunuchs, Theon looks to have had the worst night

Still, I'm not sure what else he could do

I'd tell him not to worry about it. His sister ran from less deadlier dogs.  Better to regroup and live to fight another day.

[WatchrTina]

15 minutes ago, alaynestone said:

I was gagging during Jorah's procedure.

I was handling it fine until they did the quick cut to the crusty top of a pot pie in the tavern.  Not cool, show runners.  Not cool.

[Conan Troutman]

Hot (Pie) damn, what a packed episode! And this was just the second...

Was expecting Arya and Nym this season after the trailer, but it didn't go quite that well. Eh, she'll come around, it makes sense that she could barely even remember her. 

Episode MVP? Clearly Theon, can't say he didn't take the plunge for his sister. Okay, I'll see myself out....

[Constantinople]

Given how static technology is in Westeros, I'm surprised no one tried building a giant crossbow to take out Aegon's dragons

[anamika]

Jaime calling Dickon, Rickon...lol!

[Constantinople]

By the Seven Sam!

Could you spare some milk of the poppy for your patient?

[laprin]

I just realized that Qyburn is becoming one of my least favorite characters. He has become Cersei's greatest weapon. He needs to die any day now. 

[MadMouse]

The Dragonstone scenes were really good. In the grand scheme show Varys really doesn't make that much sense but at this point I can overlook it. Loved his conversation with Dany and how Dinklage sold his oh shit this going to fall apart with his facial expressions. Mel actually just came out and talked about Jon, I figured we'd get that dragged out for at least an episode. Oh did anyone else see Varys reaction to Mel telling what kind of man Jon was? If I didn't know better I would have thought he got a hard on. Still a little weird hearing Dany, Varys mentioning his name.

The discontent in Wintefell was handled much better this week, it didn't seem like conflict just to create drama. Hearing the fear about what happened to Robb and Rickard made total sense. But I also liked how Jon said that while they might believe him about the Walkers, they haven't seen it and truly don't understand. I can't help but think that Littlefinger and Jon scene was a parallel to S1 with Ned but instead of Littlefinger getting the upper hand it'll be Sansa.

Cersei actually was competent this week, he argument made total sense. And nice little easter egg with the dragon killing crossbow and Rhaenys fate. I liked that Tarly wasn't portrayed as some power hungry back stabber and that he was conflicted. No doubt the guy is a dick but he's not a monster.

Euron still sucks, its not the actor or anything but again maybe this is my book knowledge coming through he does nothing for me. I want creepy, sexy and twisted Euron not dude bro Euron. I will thank him for killing the Sand Snakes though. I still don't understand their choices concerning Dorne. Was I supposed to feel bad when he killed them? Kinda hard after they killed their cousin, an innocent 15yr old and their uncle. I still have a glimmer of hope that Sam meets an Alleras at the Citadel. And poor Theon, the guy can't go much lower at this point can he.

And now shallow time. Emilia Clarke looked amazing when talking to the QOT, for a show full of beautiful people I was shocked. Oh and Tyene can keep the longer hair.

Edited July 24, 2017 by MadMouse

[Chairman Meow]

24 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Wow, that Nymeria scene was sad. But it made sense. Arya is so different from when Nymeria knew her. I think it's just symbolic of how maybe Arya really CAN'T go home anymore. Her journey has been too dark. I hope I'm wrong.

THIS is what I'm afraid that she meant by "That's not you."  Please assure me that I'm crazy and that next week doesn't find Arya heading south again because Arya Stark is no longer who she is.  Please no.

[Advance35]

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One thing I dislike so much in an otherwise great start to the season is how they've written Jaime. Back to being Cersei's little lapdog. Book Jaime was so much more complex and for awhile the show followed that complexity. He had a very dark side yes (after all he threw Bran out of a tower) but his relationships with Tyrion and Brienne were humanizing. Now he's just Cersei's bitch on the show. I hope they can develop him further but I doubt it considering the multitude of storylines the show now has and the show's investment in Cersei as a central character.

It only makes me think that his turn against Cersei in the books is going to be temporary.  I feel like if his break with Cersei were definitive, it would've have been incorporated into the show.

[domina89]

Odd question: How in the world does Dany have ravens when she basically just rolled up to an empty Dragonstone?  I guess those little details are not supposed to matter now...

Maisie Williams continues to amaze.  LOVED her reaction to finding out Jon took Winterfell and is now King in the North.  There was just a flicker on her face of the young girl she once was.  I want those two to see each other again so badly!!!! And her scene with Nymeria made me tear up.  I have a feeling we will see Nym again...

[Colorful Mess]

I see that Cersei is borrowing a page from the Cheney/Rumsfeld school of politics. Her rhetoric inspiring fear among her bannermen ("Dany burns people alive!") was perfect up-is-down logic.

I liked Jon's scenes. He's got gravitas now. I wish he'd spoken privately to Sansa before he left. Just seems wrong to leave Littlefinger angry and alone with her.

I'm pro-Varys in his argument with Daenerys. I wonder if he still sees Dany as the compassionate leader Westeros needs if she ends her arguments by threatening to burn people alive. 

The pirate battle at the end was pretty great. Just wish Euron had been introduced much earlier in the series. He still feels like a newbie, and the battle would have had more weight and tension if we knew more about his relationship with Yara and Theon.

[FnkyChkn34]

I'm glad Dany and Tyrion answered the "why didn't we just go straight to King's Landing with 3 dragons in the first place" question.  

Dickon Tarly - can I see some more of him please?  Thank you.  

And maybe it was some wasted time between Grey Worm and Missandei, but they sure are pretty people.  The more I see of Jacob Anderson, the better.

I need to rewatch Jon's scenes; I think I missed too much.

[WatchrTina]

7 minutes ago, Constantinople said:

By the Seven Sam!

Could you spare some milk of the poppy for your patient?

Or at least wait for him to chug that rum you brought.

[Oscirus]

Props to the writers for the Aerys callback. Sansa's been studying up on all of her dumb relatives.  At this rate she'll solve Jon's parentage by herself.

On another note, I get that we know that Tyrion's trustworthy but why would Jon put so  trust in him? They had a nice couple of weeks and all, but it's been a pretty long time since that happened.

[Constantinople]

1 minute ago, domina89 said:

Odd question: How in the world does Dany have ravens when she basically just rolled up to an empty Dragonstone?  I guess those little details are not supposed to matter now...

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[Diana Berry]

3 hours ago, Chairman Meow said:

THIS is what I'm afraid that she meant by "That's not you."  Please assure me that I'm crazy and that next week doesn't find Arya heading south again because Arya Stark is no longer who she is.  Please no.

Same here.  Please give us one happy reunion before she goes  south.

[riprock]

In the post-episode talk, the showrunners said it took weeks to film/CGI the last few minutes. So why is it such an underwhelming, perfunctory thing? It looked expensive, but it was full of jump cuts. I was barely awake when they paused in the middle for Yara to look around at her burning fleet, and I had no sense of what was where on deck. This show should do better.

Arya's reunion with Nymeria was underwritten too. Why couldn't they have her say, "THAT’S not you" instead of "it's not you"? That parallels the line exactly and doesn't make me think that maybe Arya's talking to a different direwolf.

So this is a significant blow to Daenerys, right? Her fleet is lost; now she has to fight on land? Please tell me the show acknowledges at least that.

Overlooking for the moment how her fleet completely misses the oncoming hostile fleet, why wasn't one of the dragons flying escort for Yara? What are dragons for?

Also, not buying that Yara should think that Theon's a coward for swimming away. Euron had a knife to her throat, he'd taken over the ship, and the fleet is burning. How is Theon supposed to save her? The battle's already lost.

Edited July 24, 2017 by riprock

[Sew Sumi]

11 minutes ago, Conan Troutman said:

Hot (Pie) damn, what a packed episode! And this was just the second...

Was expecting Arya and Nym this season after the trailer, but it didn't go quite that well. Eh, she'll come around, it makes sense that she could barely even remember her. 

Episode MVP? Clearly Theon, can't say he didn't take the plunge for his sister. Okay, I'll see myself out....

I totally saw that saw as Nym telling Arya to find her pack. It's obvious from looking at Nym that she's done well for herself. 

[Conan Troutman]

3 minutes ago, Chairman Meow said:

THIS is what I'm afraid that she meant by "That's not you."  Please assure me that I'm crazy and that next week doesn't find Arya heading south again because Arya Stark is no longer who she is.  Please no.

You're crazy ;)

Seriously, she ain't going south. That path clearly leads north - it looks just a little bit more wintery there than the other route, but it's clearly a directing choice so we know where she's heading. Besides, Cersei isn't going to die that early in the season.

[MadMouse]

11 minutes ago, Constantinople said:

Given how static technology is in Westeros, I'm surprised no one tried building a giant crossbow to take out Aegon's dragons

They did, it was how the Dornish killed Meraxes and took Rhaenys hostage.

[Ireland77]

Wasn't that Yara's body hanging from the front of the ship at the end when Theon was floating in the water?

And I don't blame him at all. He was in an unwinnable situation. Yara's throat would have been slit and Euron would have killed Theon had Theon made any type of move to try and save her. 

[FnkyChkn34]

12 minutes ago, anamika said:

Jaime calling Dickon, Rickon...lol!

According to my closed captioning, he said Rickard.  

[WatchrTina]

3 minutes ago, riprock said:

Why couldn't they have her say, "THAT’S not you" instead of "it's not you"?

I wonder if that is what she DID say but we (and the closed-captioners) are mis-hearing it?  Because mirroring her line from season 1 ("That's not me") makes so much more sense.

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Wasn't that Yara's body hanging from the front of the ship at the end when Theon was floating in the water?

I'm pretty sure that was the Sand Snake who liked the whip.  In fact i suspect she was hung by her own whip.

Edited July 24, 2017 by WatchrTina

[SoWindsor]

4 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I'm glad Dany and Tyrion answered the "why didn't we just go straight to King's Landing with 3 dragons in the first place" question.  

Dickon Tarly - can I see some more of him please?  Thank you.  

And maybe it was some wasted time between Grey Worm and Missandei, but they sure are pretty people.  The more I see of Jacob Anderson, the better.

I need to rewatch Jon's scenes; I think I missed too much.

Have you heard any of Jacob Anderson's music? He goes by Raleigh Ritchie. 

[FnkyChkn34]

2 minutes ago, Conan Troutman said:

Besides, Cersei isn't going to die that early in the season.

I highly doubt Arya actually kills her.  Just my hunch.

1 minute ago, Ireland77 said:

Wasn't that Yara's body hanging from the front of the ship at the end when Theon was floating in the water?

I thought that was Yara too, but a friend said that only Yara, Theon, and mama Sand Snake lived.

[SoWindsor]

3 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I totally saw that saw as Nym telling Arya to find her pack. It's obvious from looking at Nym that she's done well for herself. 

Ah! Maybe the brotherhood without banners will be her pack.

[Conan Troutman]

3 minutes ago, Ireland77 said:

Wasn't that Yara's body hanging from the front of the ship at the end when Theon was floating in the water?

And I don't blame him at all. He was in an unwinnable situation. Yara's throat would have been slit and Euron would have killed Theon had Theon made any type of move to try and save her. 

I thought it was one of the Sand Snakes - not sure which one, the one with the whip I think. 

[Oscirus]

Is arya's wolf on steroids? Home girl was huge.

1 hour ago, Ireland77 said:

Wasn't that Yara's body hanging from the front of the ship at the end when Theon was floating in the water?

And I don't blame him at all. He was in an unwinnable situation. Yara's throat would have been slit and Euron would have killed Theon had Theon made any type of move to try and save her. 

No it was Nymeria.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Oscirus

[nodorothyparker]

In an episode where multiple people didn't know basic happenings around Westeros like Jon is king of the North now, at least we know Qyburn is keeping his Dany dossier up to date for Cersei.  She was quick to rattle off all the ugly particulars of Dany's greatest hits of crucifying and burning people in the east to make her case for how she's the less bad option with only one blown up sept to her credit.

It's nice to see Tom Hopper move over to this show now that Black Sails is over.

[Lady Iris]

As soon as Arya's horse started fidgeting I was praying for a Nymeria sighting. Ty GoT. Still alive and apparently Queen Wolf so she hasn't done too badly for herself. 

 

I wanted to kick and hug Theon all at the same time. The look in Yara's eyes was heartbreaking. 

 

Sam, love you to pieces. You're the Samwise Gamgee in this story but really? You couldn't have snagged some milk of the poppy for poor Jorah?

[Johnny Dollar]

Quick question - is Grey Worm without both twig and berries or just berries?  I know that Reek is without both and Varys is missing just the fruit. 

[Oscirus]

2 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I thought that was Yara too, but a friend said that only Yara, Theon, and mama Sand Snake lived.

Bad pussy also lived

[alaynestone]

Question - I can't remember, but is Bran trying to get back to Winterfell?  Or is he planning on staying at the Wall?

What are the chances we'll get all the remaining Starks in a reunion scene?

[Sew Sumi]

1 minute ago, SoWindsor said:

Ah! Maybe the brotherhood without banners will be her pack.

Or her fucking family, as fractured as it is. As is Nym's pack. 

[Conan Troutman]

2 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

I highly doubt Arya actually kills her.  Just my hunch.

I thought that was Yara too, but a friend said that only Yara, Theon, and mama Sand Snake lived.

Yeah, I'm also firmly in the Jaime-kills-her camp, but who knows?

Tyene also lived (for now at least).

[FnkyChkn34]

2 minutes ago, Oscirus said:

Bad pussy also lived

I guess you're referring to another Sand Snake?

[WatchrTina]

2 minutes ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's nice to see Tom Hopper

Wait, what?  Where?  How did I miss he of the massive biceps?

[screamin]

Spotted on another website:

“Should we keep watch for our insane uncle who was just in King’s Landing?”

“No, I want to fuck the woman who murders children.”

Which emphasized quite a bit of what was wrong in the writing. I liked Yara, but this was all just too lame.

[FnkyChkn34]

Just now, Conan Troutman said:

Yeah, I'm also firmly in the Jaime-kills-her camp, but who knows?

Tyene also lived (for now at least).

Thanks for clarifying!

 

Just now, WatchrTina said:

Wait, what?  Where?  How did I miss he of the massive biceps?

Dickon Tarly

[Constantinople]

1 minute ago, nodorothyparker said:

In an episode where multiple people didn't know basic happenings around Westeros like Jon is king of the North now, at least we know Qyburn is keeping his Dany dossier up to date for Cersei.  She was quick to rattle off all the ugly particulars of Dany's greatest hits of crucifying and burning people in the east to make her case for how she's the less bad option with only one blown up sept to her credit.

We know Cersei blew up the Sept of Baelor, but is she blamed for it in Westeros?

Seems odd that Cersei didn't try to blame Daenerys for the Sept unless the official story is accident

[nodorothyparker]

Just now, WatchrTina said:

Wait, what?  Where?  How did I miss he of the massive biceps?

He's the recast for Dickon Tarly.

[Oscirus]

Just now, FnkyChkn34 said:

I guess you're referring to another Sand Snake?

Tyene Sand from this infamous scens: 

[benteen]

23 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

One thing I dislike so much in an otherwise great start to the season is how they've written Jaime. Back to being Cersei's little lapdog. Book Jaime was so much more complex and for awhile the show followed that complexity. He had a very dark side yes (after all he threw Bran out of a tower) but his relationships with Tyrion and Brienne were humanizing. Now he's just Cersei's bitch on the show. I hope they can develop him further but I doubt it considering the multitude of storylines the show now has and the show's investment in Cersei as a central character.

THIS.  They've reduced Jaime and his storyline to a one-dimensional bore, something he and it certainly isn't in the books.  It's a waste of NCW's talents.

I admit, when Qyburn talked about killing a dragon, I was hoping we'd get the maester conspiracy involving the death of the dragons.  So much for that...

[alaynestone]

5 minutes ago, Conan Troutman said:

Yeah, I'm also firmly in the Jaime-kills-her camp, but who knows?

Tyene also lived (for now at least).

In the books, isn't it implied that Jaime will by that prophecy?  Something about gold hands.. (sorry, it's been a while since I read the books).

[WatchrTina]

1 minute ago, Constantinople said:

Seems odd that Cersei didn't try to blame Daenerys for the Sept unless the official story is accident

I predict Cersei will blame that on Tyrion.  He used wildfire in the Battle of the Blackwater so it's not a far-fetched lie.

[areca]

Missandei and Grey Worm's actors better get Emmys by the way.  That scene was seriously well acted.