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  1. screamin

    Spoilers for BH90210

    So, in the Media thread, there was this fascinating tidbit, which was called a huge spoiler, out of an interview with Christine Elise: So, I'm wondering if this is a genuine spoiler - "Christine" has made no secret on the show that she despises the cast, insults them accurately to their faces at every opportunity. Maybe the only revelation left is her telling them personally why she despises them, how they were dicks to her in the past in their self-absorption and haven't really changed since. Or is she really THE villain? The doll-chopping villain, wanting to 'take them down'? Is all the insulting just a prelude to the REAL revenge? Seems odd for a number of reasons. One, she'd be carelessly giving away the central 'mystery' of the plot. Also, her character is an executive, and sabotaging the 90210 production (whose success she has a stake in) would be cutting herself off at the knees. Another question - is her flirtation with "Gabrielle" just part of her revenge - toying with her as a preface to some especially harsh blow? That seems creepily cruel and personal, and it also plays into old negative LGBT stereotypes the production should probably avoid. Will Emily Valentine burn down the parade float? What do youse think?
  2. screamin

    BH90210 In the Media

    So, should we have a spoiler thread? Because I really want to discuss the spoiler in that Advocate article.
  3. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    Yes, but this was after she told her husband the truth about what she wanted and he bluntly rejected her offered terms. He told her no deal, he wasn't going to sit around waiting while she worked through her issues. You've said the right thing for her to do would be divorce...her having that conversation with him was the first step to that if he decided that was what he wanted. We don't even know if they're still together at this point. Why should we expect her to unilaterally abide by a deal he rejected outright? I don't think what she's doing is "wonderful." I think it's understandable, human, defensible from both sides to some degree, and therefore complex, and well acted. I think it therefore is a fine, interesting conflict to have on a soap like BH90210, and belongs there as much as any of the other soapy conflicts do.
  4. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    No, that's not so. As Bastet said, she is not showing any interest in looking up the bartender and continuing whatever the kiss started; she has no relationship with her. When she spoke to her husband, she said clearly that she did not want to 'open' their marriage (bring a third party in - that is, another relationship). She wanted him to know about this tumult in her feelings she was having, and that she has the intention of 'exploring' that through the non-adulterous medium of her acting. The unspoken corollary means that exploring those feelings MAY in fact lead to a relationship in the future, if she eventually decides they are strong enough - which she will presumably be as scrupulously honest in warning him about IF it happens. Because she's made up her mind to mentally explore the possibility, she's doing the honorable thing by giving him warning of it and giving him the choice of deciding if that uncertainty is something he can live with or something he can't. And for him to make a fully informed choice, he needs the unvarnished truth about how things stand - including the strength of her feelings about what happened. Why should we pick sides to root for? I think she acted honorably in telling him the truth, and I don't think he did anything wrong in choosing to respond, "no, I can't live with that uncertainty, don't expect me to wait around for you while you do this." That's his choice to make, and it seems to me just as honorable.
  5. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    Double standard? You're castigating Gabby as having committed the equivalent of actual acts of adultery committed in deception, for having an involuntary surge of feeling when someone surprises her with a kiss, and leveling honestly with herself AND her husband about it immediately after the fact. To me it seems like you're applying a double standard in her detriment. Why do we have to apply Jesus's "lust in the heart=adultery" to her and her alone? Gabrielle's Jewish, anyway. :)
  6. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    Yes, it was hurtful. But he's asking her to forget about what happened, and she's made up her mind that she can't. And the reason is that kiss. She's made up her mind to be honest about it, and there's no way to honestly explain why that kiss is important enough to her to do this without being hurtful. How would you have worded it in a less hurtful way? To me, trying to soft-pedal the matter would have been worse. "The kiss was nothing special - but I'm going to shake up our thirty year marriage and your cherished assumptions about our relationship because of it." To me that comes off patently and lamely false, disrespectfully so, and therefore more hurtful than the truth told straightforwardly. The only way to spare her partner ANY hurt at that point would be to withhold the truth completely; keep her exploration to herself until she's absolutely sure of what she wants. But she's made up her mind to tell him the truth, and you can't have that honesty without some pain. IMO, if she's made up her mind to tell the truth, ripping the bandage off is the best of the bad options available. Some hurt is unavoidable.
  7. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    But the confession doesn't make sense without saying that. I mean, who overturns the assumptions of a lifetime and introduces uncertainty into a thirty year marriage over a kiss that was NBD? Since she's made up her mind to be forthcoming about the part she chose to play and the reasons behind it, and her husband is asking her to just forget about what happened that shook her up so, her saying "yes, that kiss really WAS a big deal, so I can't just forget about it" is kind of an inextricable part of that confession. In their conversation, she says she wasn't interested in opening their marriage. The implication (I think) was that she was going to act out her new feelings in her new scripted role only, at least at first, which would not be technically adulterous, any more than it would be if she were acting out a romance with a male actor in a soap. Of course, neither of them know if that will be enough for her in the long run. And it seems to me that the husband didn't want to live with that uncertainty. It's his right to decide to draw his emotional boundaries that way. But she couldn't know for sure unless she asked, so that's why she did ask instead of just going straight for a separation. It's implied they DID separate - I can't imagine Jason going off to Gabby's house to stay while she and her husband are glowering at each other. And it seems to me that if they've separated, she has less incentive NOT to go for broke in her experimentation, instead of sticking strictly to the script.
  8. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    I have to say, I hope I look as good as Carol Potter when I get to her age. Also, does anyone else have the distinct feeling that nearly every time we see Shannen, it will be in a weirdly blocked scene which will look (and probably be) like she and the rest of the cast were filmed on separate soundstages so they never have to see each other?
  9. screamin

    S01.E03: The Photo Shoot

    ...but apparently her husband would consider this emotional cheating anyway, as far as I gathered from their scene.
  10. screamin

    Unpopular Opinions: The Cheese Stands Alone

    Thanks. I thought so, but I wondered if I'd just been oblivious.
  11. screamin

    Unpopular Opinions: The Cheese Stands Alone

    Watching the new series, I had a question that it seemed best to address here; was there really any longstanding fan theories about Andrea being gay? I don't remember that in the fandom of the time at all.
  12. screamin

    S01.E02: The Pitch

    Good point. Gotta watch that again.
  13. screamin

    S01.E02: The Pitch

    Fun. I thought it was a little weird that Gabrielle flipped off the fans, seemed a bit out of character. If it was reporters, I could understand it.
  14. screamin

    S01.E01: The Reunion

    I don't really see Jennie's character (shall I call her "Jennie" since it's not the actual Jennie?) acting particularly degrading. She felt devastated at the divorce, she wanted a hookup to cheer her up and make her feel attractive again. She was not married anymore, she had the right to act so, and she had the dignity to reject the first prospect when he turned out to not even really see her as a person. As for her fling with "Jason", HE was the one who was cheating, not her. I don't think one fling makes a person promiscuous, either, unless you espouse the opinion that anyone who has sex outside of marriage is being promiscuous.
  15. screamin

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    IA Howland could have been a corroborating witness, but no one ever thought to ask him, so here we are.
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