S12.E02: It's Either My Way or the Feng Shui

[teapot]

15 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Couldn't care less about the state of Kelly's marriage. Could. Not. Care. Less. Two morons that might get divorced. Big whoop. 

I think lydia gets a bonus if she brings Vickie back into the fold. The show needs them all together to survive and Lydia cares so much, as if she's getting paid to. why did she leave the first magazine to start this one? Because the first one was a huge success that always flew off the shelves? Nah...

I can't see Lydia being Team Kelly and Vicki.

I also can't believe Kelly is on this show...she is just so base and ignorant.  I feel like you literally could not carry on a conversation with her, because she wouldn't understand a word you said, but then when you tried to clarify she'd just talk nonsense over you. Maybe they just kept her because she's the only one who can still stand Vicki.  I wonder how she would've reacted if she'd been around for Cancergate.

[teapot]

41 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Count me in as thinking Vickie moving is fake. I think she's actually downsizing. She used to have a pretty big staff that she would spank and treat to Botox parties and act very inappropriately with. Her office scenes used to remind me of a bunch of stock broker shenanigans in the 80s. Now she just seems sad. Mopey. I don't believe for one second her business is thriving. Show me the receipts!! Next she'll be moving back into her home office for some made-up reason. 

I must admit, I have (respect?  that seems a bit much) for Vicki that she never gave up her job.  I seriously think she's the only HW in that category!

[Yours Truly]

15 hours ago, Cheetosandchoc said:

       I know what your saying but Lydia talked to Vicki as a friend. Shannon never met Lydia before this, she never expressed to her that she wanted her and Vicki to be friends, or mentioned Vicki wanted a resolution. She just started in on her. Lydia is not a neutral person in Shannon's eyes. She is Vicki's friend. Lastly, in order to mediate a situation the two parties have to want some sort of resolution, and agree to who the mediator is. Shannon didn't even know what Lydia's motives were. If Lydia were serious about helping them she should of at least established a relationship with Shannon. When she saw how upset Shannon was she should of retreated and let Shannon speak her peace and acknowledged how hurt she was. She didn't even let Shannon tell her side, and it shouldn't of been done at a party. It was a crappy thing to do.

Lydia got all of two words out during both of her exchanges with Shannon. Also during Shannons first rant you see Lydia nodding, and inserting some agreement so I'm not seeing where Lydia didn't LET Shannon tell her side. Shannon went in on her and that immediately changed the conversation from Lydia (putting her foot in her mouth by bringing up the subject matter) to Lydia trying to defend her intentions.

Lydia getting roasted for broaching such a touchy subject I get but what ended up happening was Shannon continually SCOLDING Lydia and going on a rant about Vicki making it look like Lydia just came in guns blazing and throwing around accusations which was the furthest from the truth.

Ridiculous how that escalated. It didn't need to so that's why I'm on Lydia's side. Not because I thought it was her place to bring it up but because bad timing and overstepping doesn't warrant Bat Shit Crazy responses. I understand that it's sensitive for Shannon and all and I respect that but that doesn't give someone the right to take matters to such an aggressive manner which Shannon did.

My biggest gripe is mainly about how volatile Shannon became. Come on sweetie. A) It's not for all that Shannon and B) That level of aggression is completely unacceptable.

I like Shannon, I liked how she never backed down when the women came for her especially Heather ( I can't stand Heather). I get that she's repulsed by the whole Vicki/Brooks scandal as most people are but she needs to learn how to control herself and stop thinking it's okay to fly off the handle just cause her snowflake switch was flipped. It's getting absolutely ridiculous.

[RHJunkie]

14 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, they are on the show but starting a fight, which is what Lydia did, at a 2 year olds BP is wrong even for reality TV. Lydia would not like it had it been her child's BP either. This was the first time Lydia met Shannon and Lydia came looking to start a war, well, she got one! LOL

Lydia didn't start a fight. Only one person was behaving like they were in a fight and that was Shannon. Other people are not responsible for the way we choose to speak, behave or react to what is happening to us or around us. Tamra wasn't happy with Lydia bringing up Vicki but look at her reaction compared to Shannon's - Shannon made a total scene about a simple comment. Lydia isn't the most well spoken and she obviously knows how to play the game - maybe she does want to reunite Tamra and Vicki but she most certainly knows that even if she fails, she'll be moving storylines along that will make for good TV.

For the record, I interpreted Lydia's comment to mean that the same way they were talking about Vicki to her is the same way Vicki was talking about them to her as well. Both parties feel like they were wronged and betrayed by the other. I don't see Lydia playing both sides here because she did call out Vicki on the spot, challenging whether she did what she did to Tamra and Shannon out of revenge...which Vicki basically admitted to, in my opinion. I love Lydia's mom...it's almost like she's not even real, lol.

Can't wait to see Shannon go ballistic next episode - she is so off her rocker - can't keep her cool for nothing. To think the one representative on that show that pushes the holistic, meditative, zen and feng shui and yet she's in the same category as Kelly Dodd when it comes to tense and most likely to go off - that is not great company to be in. Shannon's two younger daughters look so much alike. I'll be surprised if her marriage lasts after all the kids leave the nest. I think Shannon probably reverted back to her old passive aggressive self, David became closed off again and Shannon got paranoid again about him stepping out on her and it's making all of her insecurities from his affair come out again. This time around she's turned to eating to deal with her stress and is blaming it on Vicki because it's easier than confronting her husband and dealing with both their issues which contribute to their seemingly lackluster marriage.

[Yours Truly]

14 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, they are on the show but starting a fight, which is what Lydia did, at a 2 year olds BP is wrong even for reality TV. Lydia would not like it had it been her child's BP either. This was the first time Lydia met Shannon and Lydia came looking to start a war, well, she got one! LOL

Starting a fight? There wasn't a fight.

She brought up a touchy subject.

And Shannon lost her mind.

I don't know who would have expected such an outburst based on Lydia bringing up Vicki.

Even those of us who have seen Shannon in action in prior seasons all Lydia did was bring up Vicki and maybe everyone getting together.

Not really table flipping material if you ask me.

LOL.

[Yours Truly]

12 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

Lydia wasn't involved in the entire Brooks/Vicki debacle.  She has no idea how Vicki misled (notice I didn't say lied) to people, used them, etc.  Lydia comes in like it was a fight over something minor.  Vicki and Tamra have been on & off for a long time, and I think Shannon fills the role in Tamra's life that Vicki used to fill.  I'm sure input from Eddie not wanting Vicki's drama anymore was part of it.   So, for Lydia to assume she could come back on, be a peacemaker, and fix everything is pretty darn egotistic of her.    When Tamra was trying to explain that their issues w/Vicki were their issues completely went over Lydia's head.  She was determined to make everything better.  Nope.  Life isn't all confetti and sparkles.   If somebody has done me wrong, I can set it aside and be cordial, but they will never be close friends or be invited back into my life.   Lydia should just hang out with Meghan.  Meghan would hang on every work Lydia has to say.  The other women are too savvy to but her fair sprinkles.

Bingo!

Egotistical maybe but I don't see it as sinister.

I see it as her trying to be relevant and keep that orange.

Gotta work her way into somehow right?

Not at all surprised and can't find the energy to label it anything more than her burrowing her way in to the already established dirt.

[booboopbedoo]

Lydia you need a kick in the shins! Mind you own business and STFU!

Shannon has become shrill and is like a top spinning out of control.

Lord I dislike Kelly!!!

[msblossom]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Yes it was very insightful for Lydia to figure out they weren't fighting over some comment about a dress as she said.  I am still at a loss after agreeing with Shannon that what Vicki said about David was unconscionable Lydia's take away is Shannon was crazy and needed to take crazy pills.  It only got worse when Lydia went to whine to her mom and then Tamra about Shannon-someone was making it all about herself.  Meghan wrote that Lydia went too far to begin with and then went back for more with Shannon.  Of course Meghan believes Shannon should have just walked away-she did.  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-12/blogs/meghan-king-edmonds/meghan-king-edmonds-im-also 

Meghan has a lot to say about Peggy.  Meghan said it would have never crossed her mind that Peggy's cars were borrowed.

I'm assuming the reason Peggy mentioned that their cars weren't "borrowed" was to distinguish herself from the other Peggy (Tanous) whose lifestyle was not as it appeared, as was, and is, the habit of many HWs i.e; Alexis, Lynn, Teresa, Melissa, etc.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, RHJunkie said:

Lydia didn't start a fight. Only one person was behaving like they were in a fight and that was Shannon. Other people are not responsible for the way we choose to speak, behave or react to what is happening to us or around us. Tamra wasn't happy with Lydia bringing up Vicki but look at her reaction compared to Shannon's - Shannon made a total scene about a simple comment. Lydia isn't the most well spoken and she obviously knows how to play the game - maybe she does want to reunite Tamra and Vicki but she most certainly knows that even if she fails, she'll be moving storylines along that will make for good TV.

For the record, I interpreted Lydia's comment to mean that the same way they were talking about Vicki to her is the same way Vicki was talking about them to her as well. Both parties feel like they were wronged and betrayed by the other. I don't see Lydia playing both sides here because she did call out Vicki on the spot, challenging whether she did what she did to Tamra and Shannon out of revenge...which Vicki basically admitted to, in my opinion. I love Lydia's mom...it's almost like she's not even real, lol.

Can't wait to see Shannon go ballistic next episode - she is so off her rocker - can't keep her cool for nothing. To think the one representative on that show that pushes the holistic, meditative, zen and feng shui and yet she's in the same category as Kelly Dodd when it comes to tense and most likely to go off - that is not great company to be in. Shannon's two younger daughters look so much alike. I'll be surprised if her marriage lasts after all the kids leave the nest. I think Shannon probably reverted back to her old passive aggressive self, David became closed off again and Shannon got paranoid again about him stepping out on her and it's making all of her insecurities from his affair come out again. This time around she's turned to eating to deal with her stress and is blaming it on Vicki because it's easier than confronting her husband and dealing with both their issues which contribute to their seemingly lackluster marriage.

If we only went by what Bravo showed us, I could agree with you but I believe Tamra/Shannon that they asked Lydia to drop it and that she pushed it. Yes, Shannon is a raw nerve twitching out of control but I saw Lydia keep poking that nerve until Shannon went into spasms. Lydia the sparkle fairy has knives mixed in with that glitter she loves to throw. LOL

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Starting a fight? There wasn't a fight.

She brought up a touchy subject.

And Shannon lost her mind.

I don't know who would have expected such an outburst based on Lydia bringing up Vicki.

Even those of us who have seen Shannon in action in prior seasons all Lydia did was bring up Vicki and maybe everyone getting together.

Not really table flipping material if you ask me.

LOL.

Lydia brought up a touchy subject then refused to drop it when asked, instead, she kept pushing it until Shannon snapped.

[RHJunkie]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

If we only went by what Bravo showed us, I could agree with you but I believe Tamra/Shannon that they asked Lydia to drop it and that she pushed it. Yes, Shannon is a raw nerve twitching out of control but I saw Lydia keep poking that nerve until Shannon went into spasms. Lydia the sparkle fairy has knives mixed in with that glitter she loves to throw. LOL

 

She didn't keep pushing until Shannon snapped. According to Tamra, Shannon eventually asked Lydia to tell her more about what Vicki told her about David and Eddie. Shannon conveniently left that part out but Tamra provided more details of what led up to what we saw on TV, though she defended Shannon, she didn't conveniently ignore the fact that curiousity got the best of Shannon. Shannon got very passionate when telling Lydia her side of the story and I guess it was in the delivery or something that led Lydia to make the comment about reminding her of Vicki which is what really set it all off and at that point Shannon didn't leave any room for Lydia to explain what she may have meant by the comment.

And for either woman to say that they don't care or want to talk about Vicki is disingenuous because we damn well know that they've been talking about Vicki and will continue to talk about Vicki whether Vicki is in the room or not. To suddenly take offense that Lydia is bringing up Vicki as though either of them have moved on and banished Vicki from their vocabulary and memory is a false narrative. We've already seen Shannon blame Vicki for her weight gain how many times? Yet Vicki is the one obsessed with talking about her while Shannon is running around time blaming Vicki every time she puts a piece of carbs in her mouth? If you're going to bring those issues to TV and make it part of your storyline, it's fair game for the entire cast to talk about it. As long as other cast members aren't being sinister and haven't gone too far in their commentary, then I'm not going to ever support this idea that 'it's no one else' business'. You don't get to collect your paycheque capitalizing on an issue yet get upset when others are talking about it.

I can certainly understand not wanting to discuss the topic and I can see how annoyed or frustrated they may have been with Lydia bringing up Vicki more than once, even after being told to stop, however, that doesn't justify Shannon's outburst in any sense. That's all on Shannon. Lydia is no innocent party but Shannon's behaviour was far more outrageous than anything Lydia did or said at the party. I'm pretty sure that's not what Shannon learned in cotillion. I'm also positive that they didn't encourage stomping off, throwing out F bombs at a 2 year old's birthday party. And based on what we'll see next week at dinner, I'm pretty sure she didn't learn that in cotillion either. Shannon doesn't take accountability for her behaviour - she makes it someone else's fault that she behaves or acts the way she does. Not drinking that koolaid.

[Yours Truly]

28 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

If we only went by what Bravo showed us, I could agree with you but I believe Tamra/Shannon that they asked Lydia to drop it and that she pushed it. Yes, Shannon is a raw nerve twitching out of control but I saw Lydia keep poking that nerve until Shannon went into spasms. Lydia the sparkle fairy has knives mixed in with that glitter she loves to throw. LOL

Lydia brought up a touchy subject then refused to drop it when asked, instead, she kept pushing it until Shannon snapped.

I didn't see that happen.

And also even if she did persist she's guilty of being annoying.

If she wanted to blast Lydia then I would have rather she blast her for harping on a subject and not for something Lydia didn't do which was compare Shannon's character to Vicki's. That's what Shannon was going off about and rather aggressively too.

No need for all that. Beyond silly.

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

She didn't keep pushing until Shannon snapped. According to Tamra, Shannon eventually asked Lydia to tell her more about what Vicki told her about David and Eddie. Shannon conveniently left that part out but Tamra provided more details of what led up to what we saw on TV, though she defended Shannon, she didn't conveniently ignore the fact that curiousity got the best of Shannon. Shannon got very passionate when telling Lydia her side of the story and I guess it was in the delivery or something that led Lydia to make the comment about reminding her of Vicki which is what really set it all off and at that point Shannon didn't leave any room for Lydia to explain what she may have meant by the comment.

And for either woman to say that they don't care or want to talk about Vicki is disingenuous because we damn well know that they've been talking about Vicki and will continue to talk about Vicki whether Vicki is in the room or not. To suddenly take offense that Lydia is bringing up Vicki as though either of them have moved on and banished Vicki from their vocabulary and memory is a false narrative. We've already seen Shannon blame Vicki for her weight gain how many times? Yet Vicki is the one obsessed with talking about her while Shannon is running around time blaming Vicki every time she puts a piece of carbs in her mouth? If you're going to bring those issues to TV and make it part of your storyline, it's fair game for the entire cast to talk about it. As long as other cast members aren't being sinister and haven't gone too far in their commentary, then I'm not going to ever support this idea that 'it's no one else' business'. You don't get to collect your paycheque capitalizing on an issue yet get upset when others are talking about it.

I can certainly understand not wanting to discuss the topic and I can see how annoyed or frustrated they may have been with Lydia bringing up Vicki more than once, even after being told to stop, however, that doesn't justify Shannon's outburst in any sense. That's all on Shannon. Lydia is no innocent party but Shannon's behaviour was far more outrageous than anything Lydia did or said at the party. I'm pretty sure that's not what Shannon learned in cotillion. I'm also positive that they didn't encourage stomping off, throwing out F bombs at a 2 year old's birthday party. And based on what we'll see next week at dinner, I'm pretty sure she didn't learn that in cotillion either. Shannon doesn't take accountability for her behaviour - she makes it someone else's fault that she behaves or acts the way she does. Not drinking that koolaid.

They asked Lydia to stop talking about Vicki but Lydia refused, it was then that Shannon asked what Vicki was saying about her. And Lydia said that Shannon "is just like Vicki" which set Shannon off even more. Yes, Shannon is responsible for her crazy reactions/behavior but Lydia had been told to drop it and she didn't. Seriously, Lydia doing this the first time she meets Shannon and at a child's BP no less is bad even in the world of Bravo HWs. Lydia set the tone by ignoring her hosts request (to drop it) and in ignoring Shannon's obvious anger. 

[itsadryheat]

Shannon's over the top, loud, embarrassing, behavior during her daughter's pre prom scene was THE WORST of the entire episode. Was it the editing. I vote NO. Her family must be on par with those depicted in a  hostage video. To behave that way in front of her kid's friends (and parents?) is cringe worthy. Poor kids. One thing to behave that way with other female adult narcissists, but teenage kids-OMG. FREE SHANNONS FAMILY!

[Yours Truly]

24 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

She didn't keep pushing until Shannon snapped. According to Tamra, Shannon eventually asked Lydia to tell her more about what Vicki told her about David and Eddie. Shannon conveniently left that part out but Tamra provided more details of what led up to what we saw on TV, though she defended Shannon, she didn't conveniently ignore the fact that curiousity got the best of Shannon. Shannon got very passionate when telling Lydia her side of the story and I guess it was in the delivery or something that led Lydia to make the comment about reminding her of Vicki which is what really set it all off and at that point Shannon didn't leave any room for Lydia to explain what she may have meant by the comment.

And for either woman to say that they don't care or want to talk about Vicki is disingenuous because we damn well know that they've been talking about Vicki and will continue to talk about Vicki whether Vicki is in the room or not. To suddenly take offense that Lydia is bringing up Vicki as though either of them have moved on and banished Vicki from their vocabulary and memory is a false narrative. We've already seen Shannon blame Vicki for her weight gain how many times? Yet Vicki is the one obsessed with talking about her while Shannon is running around time blaming Vicki every time she puts a piece of carbs in her mouth? If you're going to bring those issues to TV and make it part of your storyline, it's fair game for the entire cast to talk about it. As long as other cast members aren't being sinister and haven't gone too far in their commentary, then I'm not going to ever support this idea that 'it's no one else' business'. You don't get to collect your paycheque capitalizing on an issue yet get upset when others are talking about it.

I can certainly understand not wanting to discuss the topic and I can see how annoyed or frustrated they may have been with Lydia bringing up Vicki more than once, even after being told to stop, however, that doesn't justify Shannon's outburst in any sense. That's all on Shannon. Lydia is no innocent party but Shannon's behaviour was far more outrageous than anything Lydia did or said at the party. I'm pretty sure that's not what Shannon learned in cotillion. I'm also positive that they didn't encourage stomping off, throwing out F bombs at a 2 year old's birthday party. And based on what we'll see next week at dinner, I'm pretty sure she didn't learn that in cotillion either. Shannon doesn't take accountability for her behaviour - she makes it someone else's fault that she behaves or acts the way she does. Not drinking that koolaid.

Exactly. Shannon questioned Lydia once Lydia shared that she had lunch with Vicki.

They engaged in that conversation by ASKING Lydia to share a bit more about what was said. It's not like both Shannon and Tamara were all Nope, not talking about it. Drop it. Not today. It was all "Drop it, but wait what did Vicki say" I mean, kiddies (referring to Shannon and Tamra) lets be real. They couldn't help but want to know what info Vicki peppered Lydia with.

It's not like Lydia cornered them. She sat down, went for it "again" if we believe what Tamara says and they engaged by asking Lydia to elaborate on her lunch with Vicki. Lydia wasn't at all aggressive. Maybe persistent but I didn't see Lydia get combative at all. I have a problem with people who can't keep their composure. I understand outbursts but not just because someone is annoying you with their sparkle and fairy dust and meddlesome friendship whispering. Good grief!

Edited July 19, 2017 by Yours Truly

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I didn't see that happen.

And also even if she did persist she's guilty of being annoying.

If she wanted to blast Lydia then I would have rather she blast her for harping on a subject and not for something Lydia didn't do which was compare Shannon's character to Vicki's. That's what Shannon was going off about and rather aggressively too.

No need for all that. Beyond silly.

Lydia told Shannon she and Vicki "were alike", that is comparing them. I get that she didn't mean that but it is what she said. And she didn't back off that comment, she doubled down by repeating it instead of saying it in a different way. Yes, Shannon was wrong in her reaction but Lydia was wrong in pursuing the subject after being told by the her hostess to "drop it", which makes her the aggressor in this stupid fight IMO. 

[Yours Truly]

Just now, WireWrap said:

Lydia told Shannon she and Vicki "were alike", that is comparing them. I get that she didn't mean that but it is what she said. And she didn't back off that comment, she doubled down by repeating it instead of saying it in a different way. Yes, Shannon was wrong in her reaction but Lydia was wrong in pursuing the subject after being told by the her hostess to "drop it", which makes her the aggressor in this stupid fight IMO. 

Yeah and had Shannon been AN ADULT about it and let Lydia explain herself instead of automatically going into a Tazmanian devil tantrum Lydia may have been able to rephrase and use better terminology once she realized her gaff in how she was presenting it to Shannon.

Lydia was given no chance to steer it away from what Shannon immediately ASSUMED was what Lydia meant because Shannon went Bat Shit Crazy like a loon.

[VedaPierce]

2 hours ago, Cherrio said:

I think its ok to post this because it involves Vicki's continuing storyline.

There are certain things a person can do that may never be forgiven. There are lines crossed that you cannot just apologize and expect people to forgiven and go on being a friend.

For me, I would never ever forgive a person for a cancer scam. It cross THAT line, a huge line for me.

Same goes for someone who say......lies about a rape or a rape accusation.

So, Bravo fires Phaedra from Atl quickly,

WHY NOT VICKI?

Oh I agree 100% about Vickie crossing a friendship line! And I could never see her differently or really ever trust her again. But I think the difference between Vickie and Phaedra is that Phaedra's lie actually slandered someone, and a coworker at that. Vickie's lie really just made her look like a POS. 

[RHJunkie]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

They asked Lydia to stop talking about Vicki but Lydia refused, it was then that Shannon asked what Vicki was saying about her. And Lydia said that Shannon "is just like Vicki" which set Shannon off even more. Yes, Shannon is responsible for her crazy reactions/behavior but Lydia had been told to drop it and she didn't. Seriously, Lydia doing this the first time she meets Shannon and at a child's BP no less is bad even in the world of Bravo HWs. Lydia set the tone by ignoring her hosts request (to drop it) and in ignoring Shannon's obvious anger. 

Lydia didn't force anyone into a corner, she didn't follow them around at the party. Asking someone to drop something and truly meaning it would lead to walking away from the conversation, not asking for more details and not sitting by and 'listening in'. Lydia was not loud or aggressive. She initiated the topic, but she did not set the tone. There's a difference. Setting the tone means demonstrating behaviours that others take cue from and react accordingly to. If someone isn't loud, aggressive or confrontational, they are NOT setting the tone for someone to react to whatever they say in a loud, aggressive and confrontational manner.  Lydia making the comment about her being just like Vicki is not a reason to go off on Lydia. It's just a testament to how obsessed Shannon is with her dislike for Vicki that she can't maintain her composure and see Vicki in any other way than the way SHE sees her. She doesn't know Lydia's relationship with Vicki or what Lydia thinks of Vicki. Just because Shannon hates Vicki doesn't mean that they share zero similarities. They're both blonde, they both get riled up easily, they both like to talk over other people, they both insist that it was the other person that has fractured the friendship, etc. There are a number of ways that Lydia can have an initial impression of Shannon that reminds her of Vicki that doesn't include 'yeah you remind me of Vicki because you seem like someone who would help fabricate a story about someone having cancer'. It's absolutely unreasonable and illogical for someone to compute a singular sentence and run with it to the extent that Shannon did. She's telling Lydia that she doesn't know her history with Vicki and she doesn't know the whole story but yet 4 words and all of a sudden Shannon forgets all of that context and snaps.

[Yours Truly]

7 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Lydia didn't force anyone into a corner, she didn't follow them around at the party. Asking someone to drop something and truly meaning it would lead to walking away from the conversation, not asking for more details and not sitting by and 'listening in'. Lydia was not loud or aggressive. She initiated the topic, but she did not set the tone. There's a difference. Setting the tone means demonstrating behaviours that others take cue from and react accordingly to. If someone isn't loud, aggressive or confrontational, they are NOT setting the tone for someone to react to whatever they say in a loud, aggressive and confrontational manner.  Lydia making the comment about her being just like Vicki is not a reason to go off on Lydia. It's just a testament to how obsessed Shannon is with her dislike for Vicki that she can't maintain her composure and see Vicki in any other way than the way SHE sees her. She doesn't know Lydia's relationship with Vicki or what Lydia thinks of Vicki. Just because Shannon hates Vicki doesn't mean that they share zero similarities. They're both blonde, they both get riled up easily, they both like to talk over other people, they both insist that it was the other person that has fractured the friendship, etc. There are a number of ways that Lydia can have an initial impression of Shannon that reminds her of Vicki that doesn't include 'yeah you remind me of Vicki because you seem like someone who would help fabricate a story about someone having cancer'. It's absolutely unreasonable and illogical for someone to compute a singular sentence and run with it to the extent that Shannon did. She's telling Lydia that she doesn't know her history with Vicki and she doesn't know the whole story but yet 4 words and all of a sudden Shannon forgets all of that context and snaps.

Spot on!

I mean I like Shannon but she was just unjustified in her aggressive and combative reaction. Point. Blank. Period.

[Joan van Snark]

So, maybe this has been covered before, but WTF is up with Shannon's house? She went from a custom 'estate' that was filled with high class finishes and decorated in a extremely high end traditional furnishings and fabrics to..... this new place??? It is about as completely different from the original house as possible and is obviously a much smaller and less expensive property. It actually looks sort of shabby and probably hasnt been updated since 1979. What gives? Are they having money problems? Did they buy for the property and plan on renovating? But then I think they've been in this house since last season and the house looks the same. Methinks there are some BIG problems behind the scenes in the Beador marriage.

[zoeysmom]

4 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Lydia didn't force anyone into a corner, she didn't follow them around at the party. Asking someone to drop something and truly meaning it would lead to walking away from the conversation, not asking for more details and not sitting by and 'listening in'. Lydia was not loud or aggressive. She initiated the topic, but she did not set the tone. There's a difference. Setting the tone means demonstrating behaviours that others take cue from and react accordingly to. If someone isn't loud, aggressive or confrontational, they are NOT setting the tone for someone to react to whatever they say in a loud, aggressive and confrontational manner.  Lydia making the comment about her being just like Vicki is not a reason to go off on Lydia. It's just a testament to how obsessed Shannon is with her dislike for Vicki that she can't maintain her composure and see Vicki in any other way than the way SHE sees her. She doesn't know Lydia's relationship with Vicki or what Lydia thinks of Vicki. Just because Shannon hates Vicki doesn't mean that they share zero similarities. They're both blonde, they both get riled up easily, they both like to talk over other people, they both insist that it was the other person that has fractured the friendship, etc. There are a number of ways that Lydia can have an initial impression of Shannon that reminds her of Vicki that doesn't include 'yeah you remind me of Vicki because you seem like someone who would help fabricate a story about someone having cancer'. It's absolutely unreasonable and illogical for someone to compute a singular sentence and run with it to the extent that Shannon did. She's telling Lydia that she doesn't know her history with Vicki and she doesn't know the whole story but yet 4 words and all of a sudden Shannon forgets all of that context and snaps.

Here is what I have to say about Lydia-she did not know Shannon and had no business going to her and discussing Vicki.  Lydia has said she brought up having drinks with Vicki.  Lydia needs to understand, when Tamra passed on meeting with she and Vicki, it was not some minor disagreement.  Lydia was aware of what Vicki had said about Shannon and thought it wise to throw out some comment about Shannon being like Vicki?  After hearing these folks are sworn enemies from both sides why would she say such a thing.

When Lydia went up to Tamra, Tamra wanted to talk to her-Lydia brought Shannon into the conversation.  She accused her of something she did not do-Shannon most certainly did not yell or scream at Lydia, and if she was unable to read Shannon was very unhappy about any Vicki discussion why did she go after her again.  A bad way to start a discussion after someone ends it to bring it up again accusing them of something they did not do.  Lydia much like Shannon should have extended an apology-even a RH style apology, instead of accusing her of something she quite frankly did not do.  Lydia then spread the rumor.

Lydia is trying to be too cute and claim she is some sort victim of crazy Shannon's wrath.  Well no one asked her to intervene and when offered it was turned down by Tamra and Vicki had no desire for her interference.   This is on Lydia she brought it up she pursued it after being told there was no interest from Tamra about meeting with Vicki and was asked to leave the Vicki stuff at the door.  Lydia is acting as if she has some long time friendship with these women-she didn't.  She had one night at Andale's four years ago.  She did not even know Shannon.

Lydia's rationale is she likened the three women because they were all hurt.  Bad thing to do to hurt people-is poke them with a stick repeatedly.   Lydia and Jud are just both incredibly phony human beings.   I will be interested to see how Lydia fairs with Meghan and Kelly.

[heatherchandler]

On 7/18/2017 at 10:08 AM, islandgal140 said:

Shannon's core problem isn't with a person with five letters V.I.C.K.I.  

Her core problem is 5 words: Divorce is not an option.  If she is determined to cling to that dead ass marriage than she will continue to be miserable, gain weight and be a neurotic mess. As much as she says that she has forgiven David for the affair, it still haunts her and her marriage. I can't say as I blame her. That affair was a soap opera mess and a betrayal of epic proportions on so many levels. I mean shit, the chick was hanging with his mom and sis (allegedly) and befriended her to get deets on her marriage. Side chick might as well be played by Eileen Davidson on one of the soaps as a villain. 

 

I actually think highly of them for not getting divorced when the going gets tough.  Unless there is some form of abuse going on, I don't believe in divorce either.  I applaud them for sticking it out.  Life is difficult sometimes and it goes up and down.  Why give up when it is not going well?  I have been married for a long time, so I am allowed this opinion.  :)

 

 

On 7/18/2017 at 10:57 AM, nexxie said:

 

In the preview, Shannon says that she doesn't know who she is. It would probably be a good idea to find a nurturing place where she can give herself time, space and professional guidance to figure out a few things. If she doesn't want to leave the kids for a retreat involving nights away, she could find a calm place in the area offering therapy to spend her days for a while. David might be a big part of her problem, but he does make enough money to provide that kind of support.

 

I don't think people have to make a lot of money to be supportive.  But also, pretty sure he makes a lot of money - they are pretty rich.  I do agree with you that a retreat or some time to herself would do wonders.  

 

On 7/18/2017 at 7:39 AM, RHofOZ said:

I thought Brianna may have decided to leave the party when she realised Lydia's mum was there too.  Brianna may have felt a little uncomfortable seeing her after what happened with Ryan a few seasons ago.

I was rewatching that episode the other day and OMG he went crazy on her!  He went nuts.  Briana actually defended him and was like, "it's a new couch!"  I could not believe the level of anger.  

Edited July 19, 2017 by heatherchandler

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Is there seriously anything likeable about Kelly Dodd? I cannot believe she is back for another season...............

[zoeysmom]

14 minutes ago, Joan van Snark said:

So, maybe this has been covered before, but WTF is up with Shannon's house? She went from a custom 'estate' that was filled with high class finishes and decorated in a extremely high end traditional furnishings and fabrics to..... this new place??? It is about as completely different from the original house as possible and is obviously a much smaller and less expensive property. It actually looks sort of shabby and probably hasnt been updated since 1979. What gives? Are they having money problems? Did they buy for the property and plan on renovating? But then I think they've been in this house since last season and the house looks the same. Methinks there are some BIG problems behind the scenes in the Beador marriage.

The Beadors sold their home furnished and are squatting on a $27 million property.  Home wise the house is less than what they had before and was decorated by Jeff Lewis of "Flipping Out", the property is however extraordinary because of its view and location, so they went from the chateau to a great location.  Beadors won't be making big changes to the property such as floors, and are presently looking for another home more of a beach property to redo.  It does look weird-just moving down the hill the much smaller house is almost triple the value of their previous home.  

[Avon.Blakes7]

32 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Oh I agree 100% about Vickie crossing a friendship line! And I could never see her differently or really ever trust her again. But I think the difference between Vickie and Phaedra is that Phaedra's lie actually slandered someone, and a coworker at that. Vickie's lie really just made her look like a POS. 

Get over it people! Vicki's going nowhere! Andy and I've said and will continue to say "she's the original OG of the OC" so forget about it! ;-)

Edited July 19, 2017 by Avon.Blakes7

[HunterHunted]

3 hours ago, Cherrio said:

I think its ok to post this because it involves Vicki's continuing storyline.

There are certain things a person can do that may never be forgiven. There are lines crossed that you cannot just apologize and expect people to forgiven and go on being a friend.

For me, I would never ever forgive a person for a cancer scam. It cross THAT line, a huge line for me.

Same goes for someone who say......lies about a rape or a rape accusation.

So, Bravo fires Phaedra from Atl quickly,

WHY NOT VICKI?

Unfortunately, it looks like Bravo fired Phaedra not because she made those heinous baseless rape allegations, but because she said people in production and at Bravo told her about the rape allegations. They got rid of Gretchen for similar reasons. Her stories were completely fake, but she actually alleged that production didn't want the cast around when she and Slade got engaged, which was discussed in the season 8 uncensored special. Vicki has wisely never straight up blamed Bravo for any of her awful behavior.

Did we know that Vicki's boyfriend's brother is Roger Lodge of Blind Date and Jim Rome is Burning fame?

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

Unfortunately, it looks like Bravo fired Phaedra not because she made those heinous baseless rape allegations, but because she said people in production and at Bravo told her about the rape allegations. They got rid of Gretchen for similar reasons. Her stories were completely fake, but she actually alleged that production didn't want the cast around when she and Slade got engaged, which was discussed in the season 8 uncensored special. Vicki has wisely never straight up blamed Bravo for any of her awful behavior.

Did we know that Vicki's boyfriend's brother is Roger Lodge of Blind Date and Jim Rome is Burning fame?

You are good HunterHunted, very good.

[Avon.Blakes7]

1 minute ago, HunterHunted said:

Unfortunately, it looks like Bravo fired Phaedra not because she made those heinous baseless rape allegations, but because she said people in production and at Bravo told her about the rape allegations. They got rid of Gretchen for similar reasons. Her stories were completely fake, but she actually alleged that production didn't want the cast around when she and Slade got engaged, which was discussed in the season 8 uncensored special. Vicki has wisely never straight up blamed Bravo for any of her awful behavior.

Did we know that Vicki's boyfriend's brother is Roger Lodge of Blind Date and Jim Rome is Burning fame?

I haven't watched Rome in years, but I remember Lodge guesting and sitting in for "Rome" when on vacation! ;-)

[jnymph]

During the prom scene:

Shannon was beyond embarrassing.  Gah ! Her poor daughters.   Get thee some XANAX PRONTO !  

Also, during that scene I was thinking... "Wow, Archie's more behaved than Shannon.  What a good dog."  And then a split second after I thought that to myself, he jumped on Sophie.  Hee.  I love him. 

I can NOT believe Shannon used to be my favorite HW and I was rooting for Shannon & David to stay together. 

  Now, I say just divorce and be done with this hot mess.  Egads. 

[Ubiquitous]

4 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Count me in as thinking Vickie moving is fake. I think she's actually downsizing. She used to have a pretty big staff that she would spank and treat to Botox parties and act very inappropriately with. Her office scenes used to remind me of a bunch of stock broker shenanigans in the 80s. Now she just seems sad. Mopey. I don't believe for one second her business is thriving. Show me the receipts!! Next she'll be moving back into her home office for some made-up reason. 

Now that you mention it, have we seen any of her employees, other than that woman (her secretary?) who said she didn't care about the colors Vicki was choosing b/c she was going to cover her desk with plants?

[LilaFowler]

You can't control what someone else says or does, you can only control how you react to it all. Shannon flipped the fuck out over practically nothing. If Lydia was being annoying by refusing to drop it, then Shannon should have walked away long before it got to the point where she was shrieking. Unfortunately, Shannon has proven time and again that she isn't the type of person who ever lets anything go. When she's fighting with someone, she always has to be right, always has to get the last word, etc.

Spoiler

Just like Vicki.

[Kemper]

I have watched both episodes this season.  What a joyless show this has turned into; and I have watched from the very beginning.  At least I used to be able to laugh at the antics, fights and histrionics.  Now the hour is a struggle to get through.  It has been going down this path for awhile now.  Adding Kelly, for me, is the straw that has probably broken my viewing habits back.  She wins the award for Worst! Housewife! Ever! ... and not in a good, fun way. When Tamra is the reasonable one, we have somehow gone off the rails.  There is not even anyone you can love to hate.  Not even Vicky, and she used to always fulfill that role. 

I have loved the New York ladies this year...some laugh-out-loud moments, plus the lack of self-awareness, the cluelessness, the sense of entitlement, the plastic surgery, hair extensions, house porn, inappropriate mentions of ladyparts and bits, sarcasm and snark.  I will be sorry to see the season end.  I'm afraid New York will be the only franchise I watch.  And that makes me sad.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Yeah and had Shannon been AN ADULT about it and let Lydia explain herself instead of automatically going into a Tazmanian devil tantrum Lydia may have been able to rephrase and use better terminology once she realized her gaff in how she was presenting it to Shannon.

Lydia was given no chance to steer it away from what Shannon immediately ASSUMED was what Lydia meant because Shannon went Bat Shit Crazy like a loon.

Had both Shannon and Lydia acted like adults the disagreement would not have happened, Lydia instigated it and refused to back off despite them telling her to drop it. At no time did Lydia say "I'm Sorry, that is NOT what I meant" despite telling Shannon she and Vicki were alike, which might have made a difference.

53 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Oh I agree 100% about Vickie crossing a friendship line! And I could never see her differently or really ever trust her again. But I think the difference between Vickie and Phaedra is that Phaedra's lie actually slandered someone, and a coworker at that. Vickie's lie really just made her look like a POS. 

Vicki lied about Terry/IV and that could have impacted his medical license, she is lucky he chose not to pursue it.

52 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Lydia didn't force anyone into a corner, she didn't follow them around at the party. Asking someone to drop something and truly meaning it would lead to walking away from the conversation, not asking for more details and not sitting by and 'listening in'. Lydia was not loud or aggressive. She initiated the topic, but she did not set the tone. There's a difference. Setting the tone means demonstrating behaviours that others take cue from and react accordingly to. If someone isn't loud, aggressive or confrontational, they are NOT setting the tone for someone to react to whatever they say in a loud, aggressive and confrontational manner.  Lydia making the comment about her being just like Vicki is not a reason to go off on Lydia. It's just a testament to how obsessed Shannon is with her dislike for Vicki that she can't maintain her composure and see Vicki in any other way than the way SHE sees her. She doesn't know Lydia's relationship with Vicki or what Lydia thinks of Vicki. Just because Shannon hates Vicki doesn't mean that they share zero similarities. They're both blonde, they both get riled up easily, they both like to talk over other people, they both insist that it was the other person that has fractured the friendship, etc. There are a number of ways that Lydia can have an initial impression of Shannon that reminds her of Vicki that doesn't include 'yeah you remind me of Vicki because you seem like someone who would help fabricate a story about someone having cancer'. It's absolutely unreasonable and illogical for someone to compute a singular sentence and run with it to the extent that Shannon did. She's telling Lydia that she doesn't know her history with Vicki and she doesn't know the whole story but yet 4 words and all of a sudden Shannon forgets all of that context and snaps.

Lydia refused to drop the conversation despite already knowing that Tamra/Shannon want nothing to do with Vicki and despite being told to stop talking about Vicki. Yes, Shannon is BSC mad at Vicki and she basically told Lydia that herself but Lydia felt her need to play "friendship fairy" between them took precedence over their feelings, Lydia went too far IMO. That said, Shannon needs to get a grip on herself/her emotions before she gives herself a stroke.

[VedaPierce]

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Had both Shannon and Lydia acted like adults the disagreement would not have happened, Lydia instigated it and refused to back off despite them telling her to drop it. At no time did Lydia say "I'm Sorry, that is NOT what I meant" despite telling Shannon she and Vicki were alike, which might have made a difference.

Vicki lied about Terry/IV and that could have impacted his medical license, she is lucky he chose not to pursue it.

Lydia refused to drop the conversation despite already knowing that Tamra/Shannon want nothing to do with Vicki and despite being told to stop talking about Vicki. Yes, Shannon is BSC mad at Vicki and she basically told Lydia that herself but Lydia felt her need to play "friendship fairy" between them took precedence over their feelings, Lydia went too far IMO. That said, Shannon needs to get a grip on herself/her emotions before she gives herself a stroke.

Vickie's lie in no way slandered terry. He never would have lost anything. No one ever believed it and she just mumbled it on camera. The difference in degrees in what Vickie said about Terry and what Phaedra said and promoted all season about Candy is HUGE!

Edited July 19, 2017 by VedaPierce

[VioletMarx]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

They asked Lydia to stop talking about Vicki but Lydia refused, it was then that Shannon asked what Vicki was saying about her. And Lydia said that Shannon "is just like Vicki" which set Shannon off even more. Yes, Shannon is responsible for her crazy reactions/behavior but Lydia had been told to drop it and she didn't. Seriously, Lydia doing this the first time she meets Shannon and at a child's BP no less is bad even in the world of Bravo HWs. Lydia set the tone by ignoring her hosts request (to drop it) and in ignoring Shannon's obvious anger. 

Is there any doubt that Lydia was specifically instructed by the producers to do this? Otherwise why are they filming at this party? To watch kids open presents? They had two chances for a fight - Brianna left without a confrontation so there goes one. The other was Lydia bringing up Vicki's name. They hit the jackpot on that one.

[RHJunkie]

28 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Here is what I have to say about Lydia-she did not know Shannon and had no business going to her and discussing Vicki.  Lydia has said she brought up having drinks with Vicki.  Lydia needs to understand, when Tamra passed on meeting with she and Vicki, it was not some minor disagreement.  Lydia was aware of what Vicki had said about Shannon and thought it wise to throw out some comment about Shannon being like Vicki?  After hearing these folks are sworn enemies from both sides why would she say such a thing.

When Lydia went up to Tamra, Tamra wanted to talk to her-Lydia brought Shannon into the conversation.  She accused her of something she did not do-Shannon most certainly did not yell or scream at Lydia, and if she was unable to read Shannon was very unhappy about any Vicki discussion why did she go after her again.  A bad way to start a discussion after someone ends it to bring it up again accusing them of something they did not do.  Lydia much like Shannon should have extended an apology-even a RH style apology, instead of accusing her of something she quite frankly did not do.  Lydia then spread the rumor.

Lydia is trying to be too cute and claim she is some sort victim of crazy Shannon's wrath.  Well no one asked her to intervene and when offered it was turned down by Tamra and Vicki had no desire for her interference.   This is on Lydia she brought it up she pursued it after being told there was no interest from Tamra about meeting with Vicki and was asked to leave the Vicki stuff at the door.  Lydia is acting as if she has some long time friendship with these women-she didn't.  She had one night at Andale's four years ago.  She did not even know Shannon.

Lydia's rationale is she likened the three women because they were all hurt.  Bad thing to do to hurt people-is poke them with a stick repeatedly.   Lydia and Jud are just both incredibly phony human beings.   I will be interested to see how Lydia fairs with Meghan and Kelly.

All of these women get up in each other's business. It's the nature of the show and has become a standard and expected practice. I can't relate it to real life because in real life these women would likely not put themselves in situations where they are forced to talk or interact with people they don't like or respect. To take exception at any given time for one person talking about something that isn't their business as a means to justify the reaction they get is pointless to me. Shannon's behaviour past and present is so inconsistent. Shannon has convinced herself that Vicki is the source of her stress and insecurities because it's easier to let go of a relationship with a fraudulent liar than it is with someone you're desperately hoping you can repair your fractured relationship with. If we aren't going to blame Shannon for not walking away (until after her outburst) then why are we going to blame Lydia for bringing up the topic? The reality that we don't see but we all know is that they're all expected to talk about what's going on and to stick around to confront issues. The show setting up a Lydia and Vicki lunch no doubt was meant to set the stage for Lydia bringing up Vicki to Tamra and Shannon. I don't for a second believe that Lydia was clueless to the demise of the friendships with Vicki.

• Shannon suffers the public humiliation of her husband cheating on her  --- Shannon in great shape.
• Shannon denies rumours of her husband beating her (a rumour that doesn't seem to have gotten a lot of traction) --- Shannon gains weight and it's someone else's fault.
• Tamra betrays Shannon's confidence and tells Heather about her marital problems  --- Shannon calmly says that's she disappointed and she distances herself from Tamra.
• Lydia brings up Vicki and says she's like Vickie --- Shannon has a public outburst.
• Shannon takes Heather's seat at the restaurant and claims Heather yelled at her (Heather raised her voice and made a public scene over it) --- Lydia says that Shannon yelled at her for comparing her to Vicki (Shannon raised her voice and made a public scene over it),  but that's just Shannon being direct and passionate.
• Vicki is obsessed with me and talking about me to people --- Shannon telling the world that Vicki is the source of her stress and troubles.

I can't separate the actual reality with what the show would like to convince me is reality. Therefore, I don't give a single damn that Lydia brought up the topic several times much to their dismay - it's not like she wanted to talk about the rumours and public information about Shannon's marriage and her husband's infidelity. It's not like she wanted to probe Shannon about things she had heard about her online. She was bringing up a topic that came directly from one source and it indirectly affects her and her other cast mates because they're expected to all film together. There are far more egregious things that Lydia could have said and did to have warranted Shannon's reaction. In my opinion, that interaction and that topic wasn't one of those things.

[LilaFowler]

33 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Had both Shannon and Lydia acted like adults the disagreement would not have happened, Lydia instigated it and refused to back off despite them telling her to drop it. At no time did Lydia say "I'm Sorry, that is NOT what I meant" despite telling Shannon she and Vicki were alike, which might have made a difference.

Vicki lied about Terry/IV and that could have impacted his medical license, she is lucky he chose not to pursue it.

Lydia refused to drop the conversation despite already knowing that Tamra/Shannon want nothing to do with Vicki and despite being told to stop talking about Vicki. Yes, Shannon is BSC mad at Vicki and she basically told Lydia that herself but Lydia felt her need to play "friendship fairy" between them took precedence over their feelings, Lydia went too far IMO. That said, Shannon needs to get a grip on herself/her emotions before she gives herself a stroke.

Lydia talked about Vicki and made an observation that Shannon didn't like, but she in no way deserved to be shrieked at by a shaking, BSC woman. Shannon's behavior is out of control and it looks like next week she goes next level insanity. I always believed that Heather, Tamra, and Terry were gas-lighting her during her first season, describing BSC behavior that the cameras rarely showed. But now I'm not so sure.

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, VedaPierce said:

Vickie's lie in no way slandered terry. He never would have lost anything. No one ever believed it and she just mumbled it on camera. The difference in degrees in what Vickie said about Terry and what Phaedra said and promoted all season about Candy is HUGE!

Clearly some people believed it because the revelation towards the end of the season was that they had all heard about the IV through multiple sources. Some of Terry's issue with the IV lie is that it contends that:

1. Terry without checking Brooks charts, medical records, or consulting with any of Brooks' other clinicians ordered the IV based only on what Brooks told him on the phone;
2. Terry prescribed the IV without doing his own physical examination of Brooks;
3. The IV was somehow ordered and delivered to Brooks by some random colleague of Terry's; and
4. Brooks was administered this IV by an unknown colleague of Terry who may or may not be a licensed clinician and may or may not have a license that allows them to observe Brooks to see how Brooks was responding and move Brooks to a higher level of care if Brooks was getting worse.

I know that this seems ridiculously pedantic, but this is the kind of thing that costs people their licenses. I've participated on regulatory reviews where a doctor delegated a task to a lower licensed person that the person with the lower license was not legally allowed to do. It resulted in temporary closure of that facility and a report to the medical board to report the doctor's inappropriate delegation.

In my example, the doctor has the report on his license just based an inappropriate delegation. Vicki lied and implied that Terry ordered an IV without any examination of Brooks or his records or consultation with Brooks' doctors. Lucky for Terry, Vicki and Brooks were such shitty liars that their stories fell apart with a little investigation. But in the beginning when there was no reason to distrust Brooks, I bet a lot of people believed the IV story.

Edited July 19, 2017 by HunterHunted

[FozzyBear]

19 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Lydia talked about Vicki and made an observation that Shannon didn't like, but she in no way deserved to be shrieked at by a shaking, BSC woman. Shannon's behavior is out of control and it looks like next week she goes next level insanity. I always believed that Heather, Tamra, and Terry were gas-lighting her during her first season, describing BSC behavior that the cameras rarely showed. But now I'm not so sure.

I was probably the only person who didn't like Shannon ever and didn't really feel she was being played by Heather and Terry. Tamara a little but only to hide the fact that Tamara was gossiping about Shannon and David. I don't think Heather was nice to Shannon(she truly wasn't) but I think she was also flummoxed at the way EVERYTHING with Shannon hits defcon 10. I think Heather got a bad impression of Shannon as being sort of a baby and just kept getting annoyed at Shannon's inability to deal with any stresser at all. She wasn't behaving particularly well toward Shannon, but Shannon wasn't very nice to Heather that season either.("Shannon the nice person" has always puzzled me. She has a mean streak and I've never understood why she doesn't get called out on it more) I always thought they just didn't like each other. And, IMO, if you're not used to being around such an emotional person, Shannon can kind of come across as unhinged. She always strikes me as bat shit crazy. I'd have a hard time with her too. Even her behavior in this episode, it doesn't actually strike me as unusual. Shannon's always this way in my mind. 

[ghoulina]

15 hours ago, oakville said:

Lydia is too media savvy not to have watched every episode since she left the show.

Exactly! She was ON the damn show before. She watches. She follows these women. She knows exactly what went down, so her starry eyed, "What? I'm just here to help" shtick just doesn't work for me. 

 

12 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Jesus, Shannon. It must be exhausting to be her. Yes, Lydia was being a little game playing bitch, but she won. Shannon lost her shit over a pretty minor comment and ended up looking crazy. Shannon is just so much work all the time. Even watching her on tv makes her tired. And for the record, I get why people claim she's yelling when she's technically not. That bug-eyed, hyper tense, zero to temper tantrum in 60 seconds thing she does is so weird and tense and combative that I think some people feel like it's yelling even when it's not. I always remember it as Shannon yelling even though I'm watching the episode and can see she's not. 

Co-sign. As far as the actual situation goes, I'm on Shannon's side. Lydia knew what she was doing. But, as to how it went DOWN - Shannon, please. Stop. Stahhhhp. (TM Kelly Killoren Bensimon) Was she technically yelling? No. But she was SO frantic, I could see how the other person would feel a bit "attacked". If she had just stayed calm and kind of laughed Lydia's obvious attempts off, she would have come across a lot better. 

[Mu Shu]

2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Is there seriously anything likeable about Kelly Dodd? I cannot believe she is back for another season...............

I just wanted to kick her in the babymaker when she thought it was cute to tell the 2 lesbians in a closet joke.  It's not 1964, you're not in the Catskills, and you're not Shecky Green.   I'm dead sick of this bigoted sack of crap getting screen time.

 

Andy, the gay jokes are fine amongst friends who are simpatico, but this shit is faux pas on TV in 2017.   Sick of hearing ignorant crap, sick of it being rewarded.  K Dudd needs to be put out to pasture with her good friend Vicki.  

What do you call 2 bigots put out to pasture?  

[Cherrio]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Vicki lied about Terry/IV and that could have impacted his medical license, she is lucky he chose not to pursue it.

Yes.  This is what I thought of too. I don't think any doctor (except Conrad Murray) would want people to think they make house calls, especially for something which should always be treated in an E.R. or hospital setting.

Also, I would question the selling of the Detox stuff.  Does Bravo get cut out of any brands these people sell?

Anyway, as I have said, it just crossed a line so far that I thought she would be fired.    I guess Bravo is just waiting for Vicki to implode and they can cash in on it.

Filming her last scene down by a dirty river in an old beat family van, with an old Sky top on with stains all over it.

[Mu Shu]

I'll buy Vicki in an old beat family van in dirty ass sky tops, and raise you a shitty trailer in the desert with a family couch out front in the "porch" area.   Yeah, I wanna see Vicki humbled like Slade was.

[nexxie]

3 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I don't think people have to make a lot of money to be supportive.  But also, pretty sure he makes a lot of money - they are pretty rich.  I do agree with you that a retreat or some time to herself would do wonders.  

I said "that kind of support" meaning he could pay for a retreat/counseling place - but Shannon could combine long (free) walks on the beach with therapy and figure things out. imo she needs to calm herself and listen to her heart and intuition more - along with talking to a therapist.

[ButterQueen]

On 7/17/2017 at 10:34 PM, poeticlicensed said:

 

Shannon is definitely going through menopause . There are meds and doctors that can help with that. 

True, but it can take a couple of years and many trials.  I speak from experience.  I do feel bad for Shannon.

[Natalie68]

On 7/18/2017 at 10:47 AM, Sun-Bun said:

I didn't get that either, unless Brianna was forced to go by producers and/or she wanted to get her sons fed and happily entertained for an hour or so.

And I REALLY didn't get why Tamra felt the need to defriend Brianna on Facebook and not talk to her anymore---that wasn't cool since they were once close and had a good relationship separate from Vicki. If Tamra was having a beef only with Vikki she didn't have to drag Brianna into it. To claim to be such a reborn "Christian" woman and all((such a crock of shit---she's the same evil twat she always was, she just needed an image rehaul/storyline)), it just seemed really petty to completely ignore Brianna at the party and not be a more forgiving and welcoming hostess; she could've at least greeted her and acknowledged her and her sons' presence. But then again, that's tacky Tamra for you.

I liked Lydia her first season; I dunno when she got so annoying to me, even though I don't mind her standing up for Vicki when faced with the combined Mean Girls cray of Tamra/Shannon.

The new couple comes off so tacky new money. I actually get uncomfortable watching these Housewives get overpriced bling like that unless they're on the  Beverly Hills cast---we've seen way too much forced fronting like that in the other cities.

Megan: "Wow, motherhood is so tough and I'm so overwhelmed!" Gee, thanks for that, Captain Obvious; did this reality ever remotely occur to your dumb ass when you were sitting around uselessly dreaming of baby showers and cute onesies to buy? In other news, water is wet. And your basic new mommy antics are basic.

Oh Shannon...she's so sad to watch now; menopause is really doing a tough number on her. She just blew up like a balloon so rapidly, poor thing! I still can't help but like her even though her anti-Vicki self righteousness annoys me, and she's a shrill nag who's nuttier than a fruitcake. And her cheater husband is obviously miserable; you just wait, he's so gonna split as soon as all those girls go off to college, just like Ramona Singer's cheater husband. Can't wait to see her plate-tossing public meltdown next week though---anyone who uses Kelly for target practice is cool with me!

I am not watching but what I read here was that Vicki asked her to not speak to Brianna so Tamra was doing as she wished.  I feel a bit dirty every time I defend Tamra.

I have found when there is a HW and her husband that make a huge deal out of buying super expensive stuff (not talking houses, they all have big houses) such as cars, jewelry and the like, they are one step away from bankruptcy.

[Natalie68]

22 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

While Shannon was waving her finger in the air and pointing and jabbing and protesting vehemently that she was nothing like Vickie, she sounded just like Vickie. Lol. 

No, Shannon was not yelling, but calm the hell down. Can't stand talking to people like that. What would it hurt Shannon to just listen to Lydia's reasoning? I was actually curious to hear why Lydia decided that Shannon was just like Vickie. I don't think that they are alike at all, actually, but was curious about what that Brat Doll put together in her pea brain. 

It wouldn't.  But I if I try and put myself in Shannon's place I would have a bitch please attitude.  I don't know you, we may end up friends but since I don't know you, I am not taking advice from you.  Especially when you are an ally of Vicki.  It might mean I am stubborn (I am) but it also means I don't want to be blindsided by a stranger with (maybe) good intentions (to be determined).

LOVE the Brat Doll reference!  

21 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

While Shannon was waving her finger in the air and pointing and jabbing and protesting vehemently that she was nothing like Vickie, she sounded just like Vickie. Lol. 

No, Shannon was not yelling, but calm the hell down. Can't stand talking to people like that. What would it hurt Shannon to just listen to Lydia's reasoning? I was actually curious to hear why Lydia decided that Shannon was just like Vickie. I don't think that they are alike at all, actually, but was curious about what that Brat Doll put together in her pea brain. 

It wouldn't.  But I if I try and put myself in Shannon's place I would have a bitch please attitude.  I don't know you, we may end up friends but since I don't know you, I am not taking advice from you.  Especially when you are an ally of Vicki.  It might mean I am stubborn (I am) but it also means I don't want to be blindsided by a stranger with (maybe) good intentions (to be determined).

LOVE the Brat Doll reference!  

Edited July 19, 2017 by Natalie68

[Mindthinkr]

54 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

What do you call 2 bigots put out to pasture?  

Old Nags! Neigh!! 

[ButterQueen]

On 7/18/2017 at 3:10 AM, bichonblitz said:

I don't get why Sara invited Brianna. Are they friends? It was weird. You could tell Brianna was thinking "the shit I have to do to earn this BRAVO check"! 

I think Tamra was mean to cut off Brianna.  I felt bad for Brianna at the party.  Tamra acts like she's the moral police.  

[Juneau Gal]

Lydia's magazine name, Nobleman, and her description of its message tells me exactly who Lydia is and it has very little to do with the arm waving, peacemaking, Jesus loving person she portrays herself as. She is as phony as the day is long. One positive I will say about her though, for better or worse the girl is not intimidated. We saw that her first season dealing with Slade and this season coming on like a wrecking ball.