The Lonely Js Club: James, Jackson & Johannah

[BitterApple]

Regarding the trades, don't you have to be licensed to work in most industries? I mean, sure Jer and Jed tinker with cars, but could they actually be employed at a shop as mechanics?

[sometimesy]

9 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Regarding the trades, don't you have to be licensed to work in most industries? I mean, sure Jer and Jed tinker with cars, but could they actually be employed at a shop as mechanics?

They can apprentice.

Can JD be a pilot to deliver goods to people in Alaska. It's a small plane with floats or skis and they make good money. Does that need a particular license?

[Sew Sumi]

You have to fly through Canadian airspace to get to Alaska. Is that allowed with his current liscensure?

[Minivanessa]

24 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

They can apprentice.

Can JD be a pilot to deliver goods to people in Alaska. It's a small plane with floats or skis and they make good money. Does that need a particular license?

In the US, anyone who receives compensation for flying an airplane - including delivering goods to Alaska - is required to hold a commercial pilot certificate (issued by the FAA). AFAIK, JD holds a private pilot certificate, which allows him to fly his family's small private plane(s) with passengers on board. The commercial pilot certificate is a big step up from private pilot, requiring a lot of study, time in the cockpit, and passing tests. A big commitment, in other words.

I don't think that the US requires any kind of license to work as an vehicle mechanic. But these days when even passenger cars include a lot of complex and electronic systems, mechanics need training. Here's an article with an overview. I know the Duggars have been selling vehicles for a couple of generations now. Maybe one of the sons will actually take the coursework and pass the tests needed for ASE certification of some sort if he's really interested in being a mechanic. 

Edited September 29, 2016 by Jeeves

[Missy Vixen]

46 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

Can JD be a pilot to deliver goods to people in Alaska. It's a small plane with floats or skis and they make good money. Does that need a particular license?

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If you ever have a few hours to kill, I believe Flying Wild Alaska is still on Netflix. It was a reality show about the guy who owned an airline that flew people and supplies around Alaska. I never found out if the family decided to stop filming because it was so intrusive, or because Discovery decided they weren't dramatic enough despite the white-knuckle terror of flying in routine conditions there.

I can state unequivocally that JD does not have the certification or the skill to fly in that environment. Even experienced pilots have rough days and more than a few have died in crashes due to the weather turning on a dime. Considering JD's SOTDRT education and the fact KJB most likely spent the bare minimum for his training, I can't imagine that anyone there would want him behind the controls.

Fun fact: Our family flies Alaska Airlines if at all possible due to many of their pilots gaining hours and experience in Alaska prior to hiring on and an outstanding safety record.

[Quilt Fairy]

Whether or not JD learned at the SOTDRT or not is not relevant.  A private pilot's license is issued by the FAA after a series of written and practical tests, a specified amount of flight time with a flight instructor and a check flight.  I'm pretty sure they don't grade on the curve.  I once dated a guy whose hobby was flying, and getting his private pilot's license involved a ton of study and also a lot of things I would never have thought of, like learning to navigate from one radio beacon to another or triangulating a position.  You need more than decent math skills.  Considering his background and the decided lack of ambition of the rest of his clan, I have the highest respect for JD for his accomplishment.  

Edited September 29, 2016 by Quilt Fairy
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[Tabbygirl521]

Co-signing on Alaska Airlines. They are so good. 

Edited September 29, 2016 by Tabbygirl521

[lookeyloo]

we also fly Alaska Airlines whenever possible. 

[GeeGolly]

The boys with their mechanic skills could find employment at a Jiffy Lube or a tire and brakes shop or a muffler shop or a parts store. But cars are much more complicated now. so beyond the average maintenance of a car they're shit out of luck.

[Farmfam]

10 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

Rumspringa is kind of bullshit, though, because if you choose not to return to the fold, you are 100% shunned by everyone you know and love. At best, you acquire kick-ass memories, then return to your regularly scheduled programming. 

This is untrue. At least here in PA (lots of Amish neighbors and friends!) - Rumspringa is a time to choose whether or not to join the church. If a young adult chooses not to join they are not shunned. If they join and then leave that's when they are. My dear girlfriend is ex-Amish, her family still is and she is not shunned because she didn't ever join. While they may not have lengthy formal education they often have great work ethics and life skills. Around here Amish and ex- Amish are often construction workers in various forms, business owners, etc. my girlfriend for example hold a management job at a restaurant. Back on topic- proof that Amish have more life skills and options than the children in the Duggar house. 

[Lemur]

12 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

Rumspringa is kind of bullshit, though, because if you choose not to return to the fold, you are 100% shunned by everyone you know and love. At best, you acquire kick-ass memories, then return to your regularly scheduled programming. 

That's actually not true.  After Rumspringa, Amish either choose to be baptized or not.  They don't choose to cut all ties with their family.  There are many Amish families who have young adult kids who chose not to be baptized who straddle the Amish and English worlds.  They aren't shunned, they just aren't part of the spiritual life of the family.  That's not to say there aren't theological hard-asses in the Amish community who *do* shun their kids, but that's more of a personal decision and not a dogmatic one.

[Lemur]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

The boys with their mechanic skills could find employment at a Jiffy Lube or a tire and brakes shop or a muffler shop or a parts store. But cars are much more complicated now. so beyond the average maintenance of a car they're shit out of luck.

You need an ASE certification to get hired by most of the major chains these days.  

[RazzleberryPie]

10 minutes ago, Lemur said:

You need an ASE certification to get hired by most of the major chains these days.  

This. Most auto repair places get a lot of their business from referrals from insurance companies, etc. and if you're not on the approved list - which usually requires licensed/certified personnel, lots of insurance won't pay for it. 

Chains - most absolutely require certification. But of course, the duggars probably wouldn't work for a legit chain.

[Lemur]

19 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

This. Most auto repair places get a lot of their business from referrals from insurance companies, etc. and if you're not on the approved list - which usually requires licensed/certified personnel, lots of insurance won't pay for it. 

Chains - most absolutely require certification. But of course, the duggars probably wouldn't work for a legit chain.

Of course not, they're that cousin/buddy/wife's uncle who is handy with cars and can install that water heater for you.  (AKA, the previous owners of your house who totally jacked the electrical and plumbing.)

[Arwen Evenstar]

There's a chain of mechanics/oil and lube in Texas called Christian Brothers. I think even they only want ASE certified mechanics.  I found them to be professional, competent, and honest. I'm sure the Duggs think they wouldn't be "Christian enough".

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, Jeeves said:

 

I don't think that the US requires any kind of license to work as an vehicle mechanic. But these days when even passenger cars include a lot of complex and electronic systems, mechanics need training. Here's an article with an overview. I know the Duggars have been selling vehicles for a couple of generations now. Maybe one of the sons will actually take the coursework and pass the tests needed for ASE certification of some sort if he's really interested in being a mechanic. 

I think Clown College has some programs in automotive that are accredited by industry groups. It'll be a further test of the Duggars' insanity as we find out whether any of the boys go there. Unfortunately, I'm expecting it not to occur to anyone in the TTH that this would be a good idea. For the kids' sake, I hope I'm wrong.

[Churchhoney]

56 minutes ago, Lemur said:

You need an ASE certification to get hired by most of the major chains these days.  

All of Crown College's automotive stuff does award these certifications, I think. So they have an option. And Joe has already gone there -- but of course his was to learn how to be more of a God-botherer, apparently. So I guess that was different.

[BitterApple]

It's crazy that the boys could learn a trade at Clown, and get certified, but Boob won't allow it. He's such a control freak, he doesn't want any of those boys to have employment options that don't involve Daddy signing their paychecks. Does he not see how that's going to bite him in the ass when he's supporting fifty people within the next ten years? 

[Lemur]

39 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

All of Crown College's automotive stuff does award these certifications, I think. So they have an option. And Joe has already gone there -- but of course his was to learn how to be more of a God-botherer, apparently. So I guess that was different.

I forget which gossip site I read that said he didn't actually *attend* any classes for credit, he simply audited them, or rather walked around campus being a Duggar.

[Tabbygirl521]

4 hours ago, Farmfam said:

This is untrue. At least here in PA (lots of Amish neighbors and friends!) - Rumspringa is a time to choose whether or not to join the church. If a young adult chooses not to join they are not shunned. If they join and then leave that's when they are. My dear girlfriend is ex-Amish, her family still is and she is not shunned because she didn't ever join. While they may not have lengthy formal education they often have great work ethics and life skills. Around here Amish and ex- Amish are often construction workers in various forms, business owners, etc. my girlfriend for example hold a management job at a restaurant. Back on topic- proof that Amish have more life skills and options than the children in the Duggar house. 

Thanks for the clarification - I had misunderstood! It never made sense to me that there seemed to be no real choice!

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Lemur said:

I forget which gossip site I read that said he didn't actually *attend* any classes for credit, he simply audited them, or rather walked around campus being a Duggar.

That would be about it, wouldn't it?

I think I did read once, though, that there's some kind of non-credit-bearing program on communicating the bible or some such that does include classes and is for people who aren't exactly students. But they do study some stuff. I wondered whether that's what he was involved in.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Absolom]

I think that's what he did, churchhoney, as he was there a school year which is how long that lasts and Michelle said somewhere about him getting a certificate which is what that program would hand out.

Edited September 29, 2016 by Absolom

[riverblue22]

So, if you buy a used car from Joe, you can get a slick testimony along with a wisdom booklet?

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, riverblue22 said:

So, if you buy a used car from Joe, you can get a slick testimony along with a wisdom booklet?

And a Chick tract? If they think the customer is gay, they will add a note  saying that for religious reasons they won't sell them a car and draw their attention to a verse from Leviticus. Because....because they're so much holier than thou.

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, riverblue22 said:

So, if you buy a used car from Joe, you can get a slick testimony along with a wisdom booklet?

I think you get that when you buy a car from any Duggar, actually. Plus, it'll say something really Christian on their tee shirts. But Joe will be giving you the six-months-of-non-college-college version of the slick testimony. He might quote the entire book of Proverbs at you, too, if you ask nicely.

[satrunrose]

On September 27, 2016 at 11:55 AM, PradaKitty said:

Regarding Jana - she reminds me of a few of my friends who were the eldest in their families.  None of them have chosen to have children as they had already "raised" their brothers and sisters. Now, none of them were sister-moms on a Duggar level, so I can see why Jana has avoided marrying as she would be "expected" to have children. I really don't think she wants any of her own since the younger Duggars are already her children.

I know this is back a bit, but it is true in my experience. My Mom was the oldest girl of 8 and she had to do a lot of minding, face washing and homework helping. My grandmother never let her cook, change diapers (safety pin era) or bathe the other kids because she didn't want my Mom to potentially hurt herself or the younger kids (ahem, Michelle). Even so, I am an only child born after my parents were married for 10 years and Mom will pretty openly admit that her childhood was a big reason for that. 

[Malvina]

[Arwen Evenstar]

Marcus is a cutie. Joy really has bad skin,and the bug eyed selfies do her no favors at all.

[BitterApple]

I almost left a comment on the Duggar FB page telling the girls they're going to get deep forehead wrinkles if they keep posing like that (not to mention it's a horribly unattractive facial expression) but I didn't feel like being attacked by their leghumpers.  

[Sew Sumi]

12 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I almost left a comment on the Duggar FB page telling the girls they're going to get deep forehead wrinkles if they keep posing like that (not to mention it's a horribly unattractive facial expression) but I didn't feel like being attacked by their leghumpers.  

It would probably also get you banned unless you commented under someone else's post. They tend to only read the primary posts. 

[Farmfam]

On September 29, 2016 at 0:42 PM, Tabbygirl521 said:

Thanks for the clarification - I had misunderstood! It never made sense to me that there seemed to be no real choice!

You bet! I hope I didn't come across as rude :)

[CofCinci]

If Joy has a smart phone to take selfies with, does that mean she's courting?

[Sew Sumi]

Nah. Jana and Joy and I'm pretty sure even JD all have smartphones. (edited because Joy certainly isn't Cringer).

Edited October 3, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[GeeGolly]

Girls only lust with their thoughts, not their eyes. Duggar logic says its safe for girls to have smart phones. Not sure how JD earned the right to have one. Maybe by not being Josh?

[queenanne]

Good teeth, Marcus! lol.  He is a cutie.

[Annb67]

They could have some crazy program like"Covenant Eyes" which, I believe, sends an e-mail to your accountability partner to let them know you were on a forbidden website. I would so suck at being an accountability partner because i really don't give a monkey's fart what you look at as long as you aren't looking how to make bomb materials.

[Sew Sumi]

5 hours ago, Annb67 said:

They could have some crazy program like"Covenant Eyes" which, I believe, sends an e-mail to your accountability partner to let them know you were on a forbidden website. I would so suck at being an accountability partner because i really don't give a monkey's fart what you look at as long as you aren't looking how to make bomb materials.

Now that you mention it, I do recall some porn spyware. Obviously, Smuggar had no accountability partner. Now? I bet the twins are the faces of "his" carlot.

[Micks Picks]

The lonely J's?  From the episode just shown I predict they are going to be lonely for a very long time.

[tabloidlover]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 6:33 AM, Annb67 said:

They could have some crazy program like"Covenant Eyes" which, I believe, sends an e-mail to your accountability partner to let them know you were on a forbidden website. I would so suck at being an accountability partner because i really don't give a monkey's fart what you look at as long as you aren't looking how to make bomb materials.

I would also suck as an accountability partner.  I really don't care what you're looking at nor do I have the time or energy to track it, let alone look at notifications.

[toodles]

http://crazydaysandnights.net/2016/10/blind-items-revealed-1-627.html

If wishing made it so.  This same site reported several months ago that Jana moved off the reservation for a few months and the Dugs had to bribe her to come back for the show.  They also said she was seeing someone that made the top of JB's head blow off.

If this has already been posted, sorry for the duplicate.  

ETA:  Didn't Boob buy an office bldg in Jana's name awhile back?  Maybe at least part of this is true.  It makes sense if they had to bribe her to come back.

Edited October 16, 2016 by toodles

[toodles]

If I'm thinking about the Dugs on a Saturday night, that is a pretty sad state of affairs.  But that's my life.  One big party in a box.

It's been reported in the rag mags that the kidults have had it with the filming.  The assumption here was that Jessa was leading the rebellion over the money.  That could be partly true, but maybe it's Jana saying enough is enough.  So much of this fits together.  

Crazy Days and Nights reported that Josh is cheating again and that Boob was trying to impregnate some teenager. Both of these items were earlier this summer.  I'm not saying any of this is true, but the mags have also said the family was basically imploding. Similar info seems to be coming from different sources.  I know they get info from many places such as this site, so who knows.   Maybe Jana leaving is just the tip of the iceberg.  

Only time will tell if any of this is true, but I think there will be a collective cheer if Cinderjana escapes from the compound.  If she does, I hope it's with both middle fingers waving in the air.  And I hope she's wearing Daisy Dukes, a brand new cute short haircut and a low cut halter top.

[Absolom]

I fear most of those blind items are wishful thinking or in some cases not even about the Duggars.

[Darknight]

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 11:30 AM, BitterApple said:

It's crazy that the boys could learn a trade at Clown, and get certified, but Boob won't allow it. He's such a control freak, he doesn't want any of those boys to have employment options that don't involve Daddy signing their paychecks. Does he not see how that's going to bite him in the ass when he's supporting fifty people within the next ten years? 

Can't have anyone better than him. Imagine a Duggar doctor or lawyer. Jim Bob would be pissed.

[sheshark]

So sad, Jana's eyes always look filled with tears.  Would she like to own a home design shop?  "Maybe, someday....."

[LocalGovt]

On 9/28/2016 at 9:13 PM, Tabbygirl521 said:

Rumspringa is kind of bullshit, though, because if you choose not to return to the fold, you are 100% shunned by everyone you know and love. At best, you acquire kick-ass memories, then return to your regularly scheduled programming. 

You're only shunned once you join the church.

[tabloidlover]

On ‎10‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 8:45 PM, toodles said:

http://crazydaysandnights.net/2016/10/blind-items-revealed-1-627.html

If wishing made it so.  This same site reported several months ago that Jana moved off the reservation for a few months and the Dugs had to bribe her to come back for the show.  They also said she was seeing someone that made the top of JB's head blow off.

If this has already been posted, sorry for the duplicate.  

ETA:  Didn't Boob buy an office bldg in Jana's name awhile back?  Maybe at least part of this is true.  It makes sense if they had to bribe her to come back.

I actually believe this blind item - maybe it's wishful thinking, but it does make sense with the building in her name and the whole Jana could be an interior designer thing.....   Please let it be true!   Run, Jana!!!

[toodles]

Like x 1000000.  I believe it too.  This website gets a lot of stuff right.  This is at least the second time they have written about Jana' s boyfriend and a real life outside the compound.  I hope it's true too.

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, toodles said:

Like x 1000000.  I believe it too.  This website gets a lot of stuff right.  This is at least the second time they have written about Jana' s boyfriend and a real life outside the compound.  I hope it's true too.

If she had a real life outside of the compound, why wouldn't she leave the damn compound? Saying that the parents are keeping her at the TTH because of the show makes no sense, because the show obviously prospers more with viewers when the Duggar kids start up love lives and places of their own. And they all know that.

So if not that, why would they be keeping her there except to do the dirty work of raising the million children -- that JB and M, and even Anna, to some degree, I expect, don't want to do. That seems to be the only explanation for our seeing this woman who supposedly has a great love life outside the compound pictured only riding a damn baby scooter with the M kid and taking all the damn lost girls and the new lost boy and Jackson out for ice cream (where the hell are their parents?) and doing a million other TTH jobs, such as tending a garden for everybody and lugging decorations into all her siblings' houses.

If she really had some life of her own outside the compound, she would never in a million years agree to do all of those things. Because she wouldn't have time for them -- she'd have a life of her own. And if she had a real lover outside the compound, why would he be okay with her being the TTH general factotum and slave? If he cared about her, wouldn't he tell her to stop? And if she had gotten up the gumption to have this life of her own outside the compound, she'd have the backbone to refuse to pretend to be living in the TTH so she could do all their work!

If she had a life of her own, TLC would know that she had a life of her own -- because they're right there -- and they'd be thrilled to film it, keep the family on their rolls because they were filming it, and pay Jana good money for filming it. Because they read the Internet. They know that many many many people would love to watch Jana have a life of her own. I have a hard time imagining JB and M turning down that possibility, even though they are looking for slaves. Joy and Hannie are getting of age to take over. And they could always import another Paine girl or some other Gothard spinster to pick up the slack.

This is just more of our wishful thinking for Jana. Everybody wants her to have a life of her own. But there's very little understanding of what it would take for a person from her background to have such a life. The fact is that in the real world, anybody who had the guts and the selfishness and the rebel determination to have that secret life of their own wouldn't stay around to continue being her parents' slave.  And her secret lover wouldn't put up with it unless he was both an idiot and a jerk. And she wouldn't even need to, for money, or to continue the TV contract or for any other reason!

Nice try at feeding everybody's cherished fantasies, gossip site. But you don't understand the Duggar situation -- or human psychology -- at all, in my opinion.

[Sew Sumi]

*mic drop*

Jana's not going anywhere anytime soon. Or maybe ever. (See Maxwell, Sarah)

Edited October 20, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[88Keys]

Maybe Jana is doing the show to make some money before she splits?  Surely now that the kids are over 18 they get to keep their earnings, right? Right?