S04.E12: A Tribe Called Key West

[LIMOM]

1 hour ago, Former Nun said:

There are videos available to coaches to scare the chaw out of their players!

I was told that the coach uses too! I know backward. And the vapping is totally out of control as well. I showed my son and his friends a document about popcorn lungs. 

You know how teenagers are, they all know better...

1 hour ago, Major Bigtime said:

Look at photos of Thomas from season 1, then that shot of him looking at himself in the mirror. I think even he can't believe how much he's aged in such a short time.

Kids and keeping up with young women will do that at middle age!

Edited June 22, 2017 by LIMOM

[StevieRocks]

On 6/20/2017 at 11:49 AM, Sun-Bun said:

Thanks to my creepy habit of Instagram snooping, I've just learned that Danni was happily living with this guy as early as mid-2015? Gradually she had moved to a beautiful new home on the water((his place, most likely)), and was suddenly being taken on glamorous outings around the world and/or going to very upscale events and VIP-style areas. And then she got engaged in Greece just last summer. 

 

It also probably helps that his family owns one of the oldest and most successful jewelry businesses in Charleston, right on King Street. So yeah, I think he's got some nice cheddar of his own; pretty little Southern girls from good families know how to get their biscuits buttered!

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9b679059-731f-4eda-9995-561ec51ccf83#ry-QZm2YX-.copy

Edited June 22, 2017 by StevieRocks

[LIMOM]

What kind of trickery is this?

[Major Bigtime]

What kind of trickery? I have no idea. Whatchoo talkin' bout? LOL

[LIMOM]

Filters?

They both look quite different.

[Gam2]

MrSmith, I totally agree with you about Kathryn and Thomas. Anyone who could be so cold and unfeeling on camera about Jennifer's child and his condition/surgery on a newborn baby is just a stone cold bitch. I used to excuse Kathryn's behavior on her age but no longer. If you can't have compassion for a mother and child coping with those critical health issues, you have no feelings at all. Thomas will never mature re: women. He seems to be a decent father, as far as what we've seen on screen but who knows what happens in real life? That nanny is their mother and father. Those two should hide their heads in shame for what they've done to two innocent babes. What's so sad to me is that we see this every day in the news no matter the educational level, the socioeconomic level or whatever. Makes me just sick to my stomach.

[Major Bigtime]

37 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

Filters?

They both look quite different.

One photo was taken on a cloudy day, the other was taken in full sun.

[oceanview]

5 hours ago, MrSmith said:

No, there's no way this is scripted. It's too consistent both off- and on-screen. I also can't see anyone being willing to follow a reality TV script that requires them to show absolutely no compassion for someone else's child who had just had cranial surgery because this would make them look like a monster. Even I wouldn't do that, even though I said I'm willing to become a Bravolebrity for the money. Kathryn did exactly that just because she was pissed at Jennifer Snowden for taking the offered handkerchief at the previous reunion show. You're only going to do that if that's who you are.

I also don't believe that Thomas is following a Bravo script, either. I think he really is a horny, aging hound-dog who thinks he's still got the looks and charm of someone 20 years younger and doesn't realize that he's long since passed the point at which he should have matured and stopped being so shallow in order to have the family life he claims to want.

I believe Thomas comes by it naturally.....the few times I saw his father, he turned me completely off about the way he talked about women in general.  Perhaps it is a Southern thing too about women being subservient or something, but it is really  despicable.   I think Thomas looks up to his Dad and that is very sad.  I wonder what kind of hell his mother went thru.

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

Filters?

They both look quite different.

Yup, two separate photos...perhaps on different days even?   Her clothes are different color (might be the lighting or photo), and especially her earrings are totally different.  Either way, they both look happy!!!!  Good for them

[Me from ME]

Hey this is fun. Spot the differences in the two pictures. He is wearing a different shirt, she has eye glasses on her head in the second one and he has more of a beard growth in the second one.  Oh yes, he has sunglasses and she has a necklace in the second. But the one nice thing is that they do look happy in both.

[LIMOM]

30 minutes ago, oceanview said:

I believe Thomas comes by it naturally.....the few times I saw his father, he turned me completely off about the way he talked about women in general.  Perhaps it is a Southern thing too about women being subservient or something, but it is really  despicable.   I think Thomas looks up to his Dad and that is very sad.  I wonder what kind of hell his mother went thru.

Yup, two separate photos...perhaps on different days even?   Her clothes are different color (might be the lighting or photo), and especially her earrings are totally different.  Either way, they both look happy!!!!  Good for them

The father lost me when he joked about not having one dollar bills in his wallet ever.

The man on the picture looks completely different on the pictures. I would have never guessed this was the same dude. 

[Major Bigtime]

Lighting can make or break a photo, especially if you're taking a selfie.

[LIMOM]

Picture taken after the reunion.

[Mindthinkr]

43 minutes ago, oceanview said:

I think Thomas looks up to his Dad and that is very sad.  I wonder what kind of hell his mother went thru.

Looks up to his father or is desperately seeking his approval? 

[wheresmypizza]

Craig is annoying af, but he pretty much did everything he said he was going to do. He did graduate law school, (by writing his thesis, which, last I checked, doesn't include sitting on one's ass all day long), passed the bar (ditto), and bought rental property, which he seems handy enough to keep up with himself. And. Embroider. Naomie wants to marry a lawyer. (Insert name here). Could be Craig? Probably not. Do I like how he talks to her in public and on camera? No. Does she deserve it? Oh, Hell yeah.

[babyhouseman]

17 hours ago, LIMOM said:

 

Wow. Women chew too?

Besides my great grandmother, I knew of another elderly lady who chewed even though I never saw her do it. She lived to be 90.  A quick google search showed an article about Southern women dipping since the Civil War.

[breezy424]

7 hours ago, LIMOM said:

I was told that the coach uses too! I know backward. And the vapping is totally out of control as well. I showed my son and his friends a document about popcorn lungs. 

You know how teenagers are, they all know better...

Kids and keeping up with young women will do that at middle age!

Popcorn lungs are caused by two ingredients:  diacetyl and acetoin.  They are basically flavoring agents.  The name Popcorn lungs come from a butter flavoring that was used in a popcorn factory.   The vast majority of eliquids don't contain them and reputable manufacturers don't use them given the problems and will state so.  I have no problem with banning them for use in eliquid. 

But I also have a problem with the scare tactics and overreaction.  Vaping is a far better alternative than cigarettes.  Yep.  Many kids will try cigarettes as well as alcohol as well as vaping as well as drugs as well as unprotected sex.  That's what it is.  The best thing we can do is give them 'informed' information.  Perfect example:  If you're going to have sex, use protection.  Note to Kathryn and her fifty something year old partner.

[Nancypants]

I want to know if Landon sees these episodes and is MORTIFIED at herself. 

Edited June 23, 2017 by Nancypants

[RedHawk]

4 hours ago, LIMOM said:

The father lost me when he joked about not having one dollar bills in his wallet ever.

The man on the picture looks completely different on the pictures. I would have never guessed this was the same dude. 

It was $5 bills, and he didn't want them because Lincoln is on them. When I think of that thing about how we'll be a better society when the old white racists die off, he's the first one who comes to mind. 

[LIMOM]

5 hours ago, RedHawk said:

It was $5 bills, and he didn't want them because Lincoln is on them. When I think of that thing about how we'll be a better society when the old white racists die off, he's the first one who comes to mind. 

Thanks for the correction. Yes, this is exactly what I were referring to.

7 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Popcorn lungs are caused by two ingredients:  diacetyl and acetoin.  They are basically flavoring agents.  The name Popcorn lungs come from a butter flavoring that was used in a popcorn factory.   The vast majority of eliquids don't contain them and reputable manufacturers don't use them given the problems and will state so.  I have no problem with banning them for use in eliquid. 

But I also have a problem with the scare tactics and overreaction.  Vaping is a far better alternative than cigarettes.  Yep.  Many kids will try cigarettes as well as alcohol as well as vaping as well as drugs as well as unprotected sex.  That's what it is.  The best thing we can do is give them 'informed' information.  Perfect example:  If you're going to have sex, use protection.  Note to Kathryn and her fifty something year old partner.

Lol. I have no qualms about scaring  young teenagers even with the wrong information.

as far as the risks regarding vaping, since it is relatively a new product, I feel that we are not aware of the real risks associated with the item.

why even start an addiction at a young age?

I smoked for years and it was a bitch to stop. 

[Nancypants]

Thomas Has Aged significantly since season 1, yes

That's cause Mother Nature is mad at him for the way he treats women. She teamed up with her best friend Karma and they decided to turn his head into an Easter Island statue. 

Oh, and all the Cake-kayne Pourties.

Edited June 23, 2017 by Nancypants

[Nancypants]

17 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

Look at photos of Thomas from season 1, then that shot of him looking at himself in the mirror. I think even he can't believe how much he's aged in such a short time.

If he could only find his Magic Pants.

[Mindthinkr]

I'm surprised they didn't 1) Take the Conch Train, 2) Try the Duvall Crawl (Shep would have gotten the tee shirt) 3) Bicycle over to Hemingway's house (insert cute cat moments) or go to Mallory for the sunset show. Heck, they could have even rented Jet Ski's or a boat. I also see Austin and Chelsea trying deep sea fishing. How boring to spend all their time bickering on their own private beach and not carousing the local scene. 

[Major Bigtime]

40 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I'm surprised they didn't 1) Take the Conch Train, 2) Try the Duvall Crawl (Shep would have gotten the tee shirt) 3) Bicycle over to Hemingway's house (insert cute cat moments) or go to Mallory for the sunset show. Heck, they could have even rented Jet Ski's or a boat. I also see Austin and Chelsea trying deep sea fishing. How boring to spend all their time bickering on their own private beach and not carousing the local scene. 

That is what is wrong with this show. They've lost a huge audience that would tune in for exactly this type of getaway you described. A couple of my friends who used to watch quit watching because the first episode this season they were all being asses. No one wants to watch assholes when you've probably got enough of them around you in real life.

[MrSmith]

17 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

That is what is wrong with this show. They've lost a huge audience that would tune in for exactly this type of getaway you described. A couple of my friends who used to watch quit watching because the first episode this season they were all being asses. No one wants to watch assholes when you've probably got enough of them around you in real life.

And who doesn't love distant location/travel porn? I want to see some sights, damn it! If you've seen the inside of one bar, you've the inside of all of them. Boring! Show us the locations! The cast are more interesting when they are doing things. Any drama should be born from doing things, not because they're sitting around getting drunk.

[eurekagirl mOo]

WOW. I didn't know you had to be young to play cornhole! I love the "too old for" comments. Wait till you're older..life goes on. We older people, play cornhole, wear bathing suits, sit on floaties with drinks, and yes, we have sex!!!! Life does not end at 50. Just saying......

Doesn't mean I'd shotgun a beer but I couldn't do that when I was 18 either! 

Vaping rocks. I smoked for 45 years. Now I vape-no nicotine brand. Tastes like bubble gum. Love Love Love....

[sugarbaker design]

49 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

No one wants to watch assholes

Please explain the success of Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

[RedDelicious]

So wait a tick, there have been several mentions of cast members not speaking to Kathryn after Cam's birthday trip, which we are all discussing now.  Have we confirmed whether this is due to incidents that took place on the trip?  Or is it due to incidents that took place shortly after the trip when they all returned home to Charleston?

[Major Bigtime]

3 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

So wait a tick, there have been several mentions of cast members not speaking to Kathryn after Cam's birthday trip, which we are all discussing now.  Have we confirmed whether this is due to incidents that took place on the trip?  Or is it due to incidents that took place shortly after the trip when they all returned home to Charleston?

From what I have been told, her return to drinking and drug use during and after the holidays made everyone throw up their hands. This was after they returned from Key West. That margarita was just a warmup.

Edited June 23, 2017 by Major Bigtime

[Mindthinkr]

14 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

daquiri

I thought it was a margarita...without salt. 

[RedDelicious]

Yikes!! Thank you @Major Bigtime 

[Major Bigtime]

2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I thought it was a margarita...without salt. 

Fixed it, thank you!

[RedHawk]

18 hours ago, Nancypants said:

I want to know if Landon sees these episodes and is MORTIFIED at herself. 

She must not be if she keeps mewling, giggling, and saying, "Theeeenkkkeewwwwe" to everyone.

[Major Bigtime]

Landon never bothered me when she first came on the show. Now I have to mute and used closed captioning.

[MrSmith]

Well, I still like Landon, even if she doesn't do anything on her own web site.

[Former Nun]

21 hours ago, wheresmypizza said:

Craig is annoying af, but he pretty much did everything he said he was going to do.

The slow pace and lying would be beyond annoying if he were my son.  By the time he finishes some things no one cares anymore.   Also, the self-pity and self-aggrandizing are tiresome.

[RedHawk]

I knew the show was going bad when I realized Whitney is my "most likeable" cast member. Or does Butler Michael count?

[jaybird2]

22 hours ago, babyhouseman said:

Besides my great grandmother, I knew of another elderly lady who chewed even though I never saw her do it. She lived to be 90.  A quick google search showed an article about Southern women dipping since the Civil War.

my grandmother dipped snuff but she didn't chew.   she wasn't the only southern lady i knew who dipped.

[jaybird2]

On 6/21/2017 at 11:06 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I'm from NC.  I've been around quite a few people who dip snuff (older folks years ago) and chew tobacco.  Have you ever been in the room with someone who chews tobacco?  OMG.  I'm not sure that anyone can imagine what it's like to be around a person who does this.  I'm a pretty tolerant person,, but, it's really off the charts, imo.  It is ACTUALLY one of the most foul things I have ever encountered.  When you chew tobacco, you have to continually spit this foul substance that collects in your moth.  This tobacco juice is disgusting, smells, looks like diarrhea.....and the breath.....omg. I don't know how Naomi could kiss him.  I know it's rooted in southern culture, but, I can't imagine how any man who does it, ever gets laid.  Okay....off rant.  This is just one of my pet peeves.  I don't have many, but, omg.  

dipping snuff is gross, much more than chewing.  my grandmother had a spittoon she'd spit in....so disgusting!  she carried it everywhere.  

[slowpoked]

On 6/23/2017 at 6:02 AM, Mindthinkr said:

I'm surprised they didn't 1) Take the Conch Train, 2) Try the Duvall Crawl (Shep would have gotten the tee shirt) 3) Bicycle over to Hemingway's house (insert cute cat moments) or go to Mallory for the sunset show. Heck, they could have even rented Jet Ski's or a boat. I also see Austin and Chelsea trying deep sea fishing. How boring to spend all their time bickering on their own private beach and not carousing the local scene. 

They actually did a lot of stuff aside from the drama shown. There will still be some of the Key West stuff in the finale, so it will be interesting what they show. I'm guessing they will probably just focus on Danni's ER trip, and more Landon/Kathryn stuff.

Anyway, the cast did a lot of fun stuff. The guys and Landon drove mopeds in the road. Some of them visited a Cuban cigar shop. The guys rode a banana boat. Chelsea and Austen did parasailing. It will be nice to see more light-hearted moments like the above - I thought one of the better episodes this season was the hunting trip, because you can just see everyone just genuinely having fun and getting along. I'm sure the dinner at Thomas' place and the Carson Kressleu soiree hosted by Patricia all sound lovely and fun, but hey, there's not much drama and yelling matches, so off to the cutting room floor they go.

Edited June 26, 2017 by slowpoked

[Mindthinkr]

This I believe comes from Eleanor Roosevelt. It has to do with intelligent people. 

Great minds discuss ideas. 

Average minds discuss events. 

Small minds discuss people.

 

P.S. I'm not only short, I'm small too lol! 

Edited June 24, 2017 by Mindthinkr
Forgot the humor

[MrsBestes]

On 6/20/2017 at 8:42 AM, JenE4 said:

Patricia being served a box cutter on a silver tray, and all I could think of was next scene of her and Kathryn: "I'm gonna cut a bitch!" Lord, help me, Whitney looks good in glasses--covers his overly botoxed brow. OMG, nice slave clock--and of course the servant Michael is the "kind of person" (or however he phrased it) to understand that the slave would be the one doing the fanning...right after having delivering a box cutter on a silver tray.

 I don't get Chelsea. She says she's telling the truth--immediately after telling Austin that she "ran into Shep" today, rather than saying he came over last night. This is all on video--Austen will see when/where you spoke to Shep. Austin also understands how filming a TV show works, so he shouldn't be aggrieved by it--especially when you can pull him aside and say it was a scheduled filming with the crew there the whole time. I suppose this is set-up for them to possibly "break up" (even though she claims they're not together) and then she can "date" Shep, per this season's storyboards. Chelsea also didn't eat her beets, so she loses some points there, too. Actually, Shep should eat beets--good for your liver.

T-Rav dabbing in a mannequin challenge? Just no!

Landon: "Beach towns are the only thing I'm good at." Finally, she admits it; she has no talent other than being a drunken beach bum. Austen is right; she's "not going to make it." She's already sloppy drunk, causing issues over Kathryn-- and the second carload JUST arrived. Oh, she has codependency issues; that's why she wants to "fix" T-Rav. Although codependency doesn't mean being unable to sit alone in a hammock for a bit, so maybe she isn't. Oh, being "good at beach towns" means wearing blue mascara. The more you know!

Love Shep's matching shirts for Austen; he's trying.

Danni is marrying someone as old as T-Rav?!?!

JD, "Do you have Gentry Bourbon?" Hahahahahahaha! Of course they don't.

Craig has had two couples counseling sessions, so he's now an expert on communication--despite the fact that he and Naomi threatened to break up with each other. Yet, Craig stands up and issues a decree Kathryn and Landon each need to announce what they don't like about the other. What could possibly go wrong?

Did the guys know they were getting lap dances from drag queens? Oh, yes, apparently they did.

Wait, now Landon is defending Kathryn against T-Rav, and the only person to be harmed in the mediation was Craig? Maybe he was right after all!

I love everything you said, but this had me laughing so hard! Thank you!

[Nancypants]

5 hours ago, MrSmith said:

Well, I still like Landon, even if she doesn't do anything on her own web site.

Why?

[MrSmith]

6 hours ago, Nancypants said:

Why?

I think she'd be fun to be around and I think there is more to her than is being shown on TV. I even suspect she's doing work for her site that doesn't have a byline (there is an entire page on their site with articles that have no bylines), in part because I don't think her partner Anna would put up with being the one doing all the work. From what little they've shown of their interactions, she doesn't strike me as that kind of person. Also because I can't see Anna and the other people who have had bylines on their site being able to do all the traveling and writing for those other articles.

This whole storyline with Thomas I think is either a Bravo script or she got tired of Thomas hounding her about going on a date and decided to go just to shut him up. I've known girls and women who were like that, where they felt saying "no" outright was mean/rude/whatever and would kind of dance around it by coming up with other excuses; eventually, they got tired of being asked and decided to go to shut the guy up (and they were then comfortable enough to say no to a second date). So, I guess, kind of a "letting him down easy" sort of thing. I think her take-down of Thomas while she was drunk is a very good indicator of this because she finally felt free enough to say what she was really thinking and let him have it.

[Major Bigtime]

I believe it's a storyline, knowing Thomas. As I believe the BS about him and Katheryn getting along is a storyline. Whitney's job in this episode was to bring up Thomas/Kathryn, try to get a fight going with Kathryn and Landon. There's too much going on in real life with these people that isn't being shown on TV.

Edited June 24, 2017 by Major Bigtime

[biakbiak]

I have never in my life heard of someone ordering a "double" of chardonnay in a pint glass! Keep it Klassy, Craig.

[zoeysmom]

58 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

I have never in my life heard of someone ordering a "double" of chardonnay in a pint glass! Keep it Klassy, Craig.

I will forever remember that order.  Stemmed glassware a challenge for Craig?  Here is an idea Craig-order a bottle and share what you don't finish.  Craig has obviously experienced bar service failures to have hatched that elaborate scheme of wine drinking.

I listened to Craig on a radio show he was on last week.  He and Naomie are still together, he has dropped off social media, he and Naomie have nothing in common, Naomie loses it when people make fun of her looks or disagree with her in general.  Sound like a fun couple.  If I were Craig he might as well just skip the glass and drink from the bottle. 

[MrSmith]

34 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I will forever remember that order.  Stemmed glassware a challenge for Craig?  Here is an idea Craig-order a bottle and share what you don't finish.  Craig has obviously experienced bar service failures to have hatched that elaborate scheme of wine drinking.

I listened to Craig on a radio show he was on last week.  He and Naomie are still together, he has dropped off social media, he and Naomie have nothing in common, Naomie loses it when people make fun of her looks or disagree with her in general.  Sound like a fun couple.  If I were Craig he might as well just skip the glass and drink from the bottle. 

Why - WHY would you EVER want to make a life with someone with whom you have nothing in common?

Edited to add: Naomie needs to learn to chill the fuck out and relax. If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you, then I hope you never have to work with or in any way at any time for any reason socialize with anyone whom you aren't either paying (to be your yes-man) or blood-related to, because nobody else is going to put up with your self-righteous, know-it-all ass.

Edited June 24, 2017 by MrSmith

[biakbiak]

7 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

Naomie needs to learn to chill the fuck out and relax. If you can't handle someone disagreeing with you, the

Craig also can't handle anyone disagreeing with him.

[Major Bigtime]

43 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

He and Naomie are still together, he has dropped off social media, he and Naomie have nothing in common, Naomie loses it when people make fun of her looks or disagree with her in general.  Sound like a fun couple.  If I were Craig he might as well just skip the glass and drink from the bottle. 

He's too dumb, or lazy, to get out of a relationship that will never work. Handwriting is all over the wall, the floors, the yard....

[sasha206]

3 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

I believe it's a storyline, knowing Thomas. As I believe the BS about him and Katheryn getting along is a storyline. Whitney's job in this episode was to bring up Thomas/Kathryn, try to get a fight going with Kathryn and Landon. There's too much going on in real life with these people that isn't being shown on TV.

I vote for storyline as well.  I think Landon is too bland for a Thomas. Kathyrn excited him with her unpredictable nature and that "fiery redhead" syndrome.  You can be vapid and attract a wealthy man, but she's not attractive enough to be the vapid trophy wife, IMO.