Jorge & Anfisa: We Are Living in a Material World

[John M]

Honestly I don't even hate Anfisa that much, she is basically a hooker.

He knows the deal, he is a fat loser with a bad personality, a criminal record in a criminal business (Federal, I know it is legally local but that hasn't stopped the occasional bust and certainly won't under Trump/Sessions), she has reason to believe that she is way out of his league. She has made it very clear that the relationship is about money and he wrote checks he can't cash.

Also I wonder if the isn't some kind of S&M relationship, I mean she isn't that hot, he can find a cheaper hooker.

[Ivanova]

I still don't unserstand why we call Anfisa a hooker, but not Alla and Nikki. Just because they don't say openly that they are in the relationship for financial stability, they still are.

[John M]

All admit that I just started watching 90 day but I guess what stands out to me is how one sided the relationship is.

I mean if you boil any relationship down enough aren't they all a bit transactional? Not to be too cynical but we all seek aspects in our partners that are often deficient in ourselves and financial stability certainly can be one of those things. But most of the time in healthy relationships we offer something significant in exchange that our partner is deficient in.

But in this situation Jorge is a obese, misogynistic, broke felon and habitual liar and Anfisa has made it clear the only reason she is in this is he made financial promises  and frankly he doesn't have anything more to offer.

[Former Nun]

On 6/19/2017 at 3:32 AM, Christina said:

Based on the previews, it looks like she is physically abusive to him, and I won't defend that in any way.

Thank you!

[MrSmith]

21 hours ago, Ivanova said:

I still don't unserstand why we call Anfisa a hooker, but not Alla and Nikki. Just because they don't say openly that they are in the relationship for financial stability, they still are.

As @John M noted, all relationships at their core are a transaction. The difference between Alla and Nikki as compared to Anfisa is this: The only thing Anfisa uses to discriminate between suitors is the size of their wallets. That means Anfisa goes to the highest bidder, whereas the other ladies are interested in finding someone to actually be with and one amongst many factors they look at is financial stability. The fact is that people look at their potential mates and examine their financial stability, then they compare that to their willingness to take risks. If you're willing to take more risk, then you're likely to be less discriminating when it comes to the financial stability criterion.

[Drogo]

4 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

The only thing Anfisa uses to discriminate between suitors is the size of their wallets.

I never saw any of Alla/Nikki/Anfisa's other suitors, so I don't know whether Matt/Mark/Jorge were the richest or nicest.  Anfisa was the most open about marrying for money, so she's been the most vilified.

None of them are prostitutes, but they're all gold diggers. 

[greekmom]

7 hours ago, Drogo said:

I never saw any of Alla/Nikki/Anfisa's other suitors, so I don't know whether Matt/Mark/Jorge were the richest or nicest.  Anfisa was the most open about marrying for money, so she's been the most vilified.

None of them are prostitutes, but they're all gold diggers. 

I can agree about Nikki and Anfisa but I think Alla was honest with no underlying "mean girl" to her intentions.  Anfisa is just just a major mean bitch, Honest but still mean.  And the whole relationship was faked from day 1. Her: lying about her age (we all presume she is older than 20).  Him: lying about his wallet size. Them: lying about how they met.

[CofCinci]

On 8/1/2017 at 4:10 PM, Ivanova said:

I still don't unserstand why we call Anfisa a hooker, but not Alla and Nikki. Just because they don't say openly that they are in the relationship for financial stability, they still are.

I agree. They all sell their vagina/love for money.  I respect Anfisa because she's honest about. There is no way Alla would have moved across the world with her kid if it wasn't for a wealthy life. 

Edited August 3, 2017 by CofCinci

[Arwen Evenstar]

27 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

I agree. They all sell their vagina/love for money.  I respect Anfisa because she's honest about. There is no way Alla would have moved across the world with her kid if it wasn't for a wealthy life. 

With all the current unrest in Ukraine, she also probably wanted to get out for the sake of her son.  She's pragmatic, but at least Alla treats Matt with respect.  

[John M]

Can we talk about how awful Anfisa's skin is? For someone as vain as she is without any reservations about facial procedures you would think she would get her skin taken care off. To vain to admit she has a serious acne problem?

[Polliwollidoodle]

On 7/30/2017 at 3:45 PM, AZChristian said:

Anfisa . . . .

oh my this is amazingly brilliant. thank you!

[Baltimore Betty]

7 hours ago, John M said:

Can we talk about how awful Anfisa's skin is? For someone as vain as she is without any reservations about facial procedures you would think she would get her skin taken care off. To vain to admit she has a serious acne problem?

I guess she thinks her sparkling personality makes up for the bad skin...frankly I did not notice her skin is bad and it is not because of her personality but mostly my TV is not as HD as I thought.

[sleepyjean]

She's got nothing to do all day but admire herself in the mirror and contemplate various ways to spend Jorge's money. If she's getting facial work done, for sure they are also trying to sell her skincare and all sorts of expensive treatments for her acne. Given how vain she is about her looks, I'd be surprised if she wasn't already working on that and I doubt she's a tough sell.

[Baltimore Betty]

Like I said, she should be parading around in a bikini at the pool to hook a traveling businessman with a good per diem!  She is wasting precious time, she won't be 20 forever, oh wait she will be, this show keeps telling us she is 20 (2 years later). LOL.

[gonecrackers]

I don't think just any rich dude is going to put up with Anfisa's abuse & attitude though.

[Baltimore Betty]

7 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

I don't think just any rich dude is going to put up with Anfisa's abuse & attitude though.

True.

Maybe she should return to the Ukraine and look for a Russian mafia guy, tons of money there.

[MrSmith]

1 hour ago, gonecrackers said:

I don't think just any rich dude is going to put up with Anfisa's abuse & attitude though.

I think if she were being kept in the luxury she believes she deserves, then there wouldn't be any abuse or attitude. She would quite merrily give him all the sex and sweetness he wants because he's giving her all the cash and prizes she wants.

[gonecrackers]

9 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

I think if she were being kept in the luxury she believes she deserves, then there wouldn't be any abuse or attitude. She would quite merrily give him all the sex and sweetness he wants because he's giving her all the cash and prizes she wants.

No doubt she'd be happier, but I think she'll still have the tendency to lash out if he does one thing wrong, such as, buys her the wrong bag, etc.

[Drogo]

Anfisa was quite sweet to Jorge until his ass couldn't cash the checks his mouth had written a long time ago..  I may not be someone who cares about being bought purses and big houses, but I sure care when someone makes a promise and breaks it.

[gonecrackers]

What about the crazy before she even arrived?  I'm seriously asking here because I can't recall... what did he do that prompted her to delete his entire phone contacts, etc? I do recall him always saying she was 'crazy'.

[Drogo]

3 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

What about the crazy before she even arrived?  I'm seriously asking here because I can't recall... what did he do that prompted her to delete his entire phone contacts, etc? I do recall him always saying she was 'crazy'.

IIRC, he told her he was going to buy her a $10K Chanel purse then bought her a cubic zirconia bracelet instead. 

[gonecrackers]

1 minute ago, Drogo said:

IIRC, he told her he was going to buy her a $10K Chanel purse then bought her a cubic zirconia bracelet instead. 

Did that happen prior to the deleting the phone contents incident? (and he was stupid to give her the info of course) - the deletions happened before she arrived. Either one of them could've changed their mind at that point & not gone ahead with this; the warning signs were there for both of them but they went ahead anyway. My theory is she did it because she was going to be on the show, & she wanted that attention. Jorge may have even played the TV show card to get her to come over, since he didn't have much else.

I'm not defending Jorge. He's a liar & he wanted to 'buy' his fantasy vision of a woman, who he couldn't afford. But then again I don't admire or respect her either, even for what appears to be her honesty. It's still a scummy way to live, for both of them.

[Guest]

I think she's younger than some here have speculated, based on her grandmother's appearance, her acne, and the naivety of some of her comments.  I remember her asking Jorge why $200 was a lot since he's a millionaire.  I think she truly came here believing that he is rich. I'm a little sympathetic.  She only knew him from vacations,  when he was spending freely, and everything was fun. She came here with no friends or acquaintances. Neither Jorge nor his sisters did anything to introduce her to people. They stayed in a hotel for a while, now they're in a rinky little dump. It appears Jorge didn't even have an apartment when he brought her here. 

Is she a spoiled brat, yes. But Jorge misled her, and she wasn't sophisticated enough, or mature enough to realize it.  Is she violent, yes. But I think she's reached a point of frustration that she doesn't have the grownup skills to deal with.

[MrSmith]

6 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

Did that happen prior to the deleting the phone contents incident? (and he was stupid to give her the info of course) - the deletions happened before she arrived. Either one of them could've changed their mind at that point & not gone ahead with this; the warning signs were there for both of them but they went ahead anyway. My theory is she did it because she was going to be on the show, & she wanted that attention. Jorge may have even played the TV show card to get her to come over, since he didn't have much else.

I'm not defending Jorge. He's a liar & he wanted to 'buy' his fantasy vision of a woman, who he couldn't afford. But then again I don't admire or respect her either, even for what appears to be her honesty. It's still a scummy way to live, for both of them.

Yes. She wanted him to purchase a $10,000 Chanel bag for her. He refused. She remotely wiped his phone and locked him out of his Apple account, going so far as to change the recovery email address. She also canceled his airplane ticket to Russia, as he was supposed to fly to Russia, meet up with her, then fly back to the US with her. In the end, she flew to the US alone.

4 minutes ago, Swim mom said:

I think she's younger than some here have speculated, based on her grandmother's appearance, her acne, and the naivety of some of her comments.  I remember her asking Jorge why $200 was a lot since he's a millionaire.  I think she truly came here believing that he is rich. I'm a little sympathetic.  She only knew him from vacations,  when he was spending freely, and everything was fun. She came here with no friends or acquaintances. Neither Jorge nor his sisters did anything to introduce her to people. They stayed in a hotel for a while, now they're in a rinky little dump. It appears Jorge didn't even have an apartment when he brought her here. 

Is she a spoiled brat, yes. But Jorge misled her, and she wasn't sophisticated enough, or mature enough to realize it.  Is she violent, yes. But I think she's reached a point of frustration that she doesn't have the grownup skills to deal with.

I agree with all of this. Though, I'm uncertain what her age really is. She seems strangely attached to the idea of being 20. Based on things she's asked and statements she's made, it's very clear she really thought he was rich. And you're right that Jorge did not even have an apartment when he brought her here. I think he probably spent time sleeping in his car, rather than spend money on a hotel room. I don't understand why he hasn't gotten a new apartment since he was clearly able to get one previously. So I don't understand what's stopping him from getting one now.

[Ivanova]

Back when their season was on, I remember I found an article on the website of one of the linguistics colleges in Moscow that mentioned Anfisa's name (or someone with the same name). It was about a Spanish professor visiting that college. It mentioned that the student with the same name as Anfisa, among other students, had a good knowledge of Spanish. The year was just before she came to the US. And I remember from another article that Jorge said he first met her in person in Spain, where she was studying. So I concluded it could be a proof that she is in fact a student in her 3rd or 4th year of college. I tried to find that article again yesterday and I couldn't because now if you search for her name you get too many results about her past, etc, so it's hard to dig through them. So I don't have any material evidence. But she might be really very young.

[nlkm9]

I seem to recall an episode where it said they had traveled the world together?? anyone recall that?

[Guest]

I need to take back my comment that they're in a rinky dinky little dump. It looks like they are in a nice apartment, but that they own no furniture. Certainly not what Anfisa expected from her millionaire.  Why isn't he making money? Or is it he's making money, but he's so deep in debt, it's all going there. 

[Landlord]

George: When did you stop loving me?

Anfisa: lol dumb ass...

[Awfarmington]

Jorge didn't know what he was sorry for? He's either lying (again) or is dumber than I thought.  

[sleepyjean]

3 hours ago, Landlord said:

George: When did you stop loving me?

Did that scene come off as totally scripted (not to mention horrifically acted) to anyone else?

[MrHufflepuff]

Why did they meet on the top of a parking garage?  Was he doing a drug deal there afterwards?

[JoBeth70]

8 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

Did that scene come off as totally scripted (not to mention horrifically acted) to anyone else?

@sleepyjean, I had the same thought. The long pauses between stilted dialogue convinced me they were being fed lines.

[Love90DF]

What happened to her beautiful cat?  When she was with the cat, she was nice.

[Arwen Evenstar]

8 hours ago, Love90DF said:

What happened to her beautiful cat?  When she was with the cat, she was nice.

Yeah, I'm worried about that sweet kitty too. 

[spankydoll]

26 minutes ago, SoshulMeedya said:

She just posted on instagram that she and Jorge just signed with a media firm, or agent. So they are still together. Hoping for a spin off maybe?

I want to see Anfisa on Dancing With the Stars! Please TV Gods make this happen.

[Turquoise]

19 minutes ago, spankydoll said:

I want to see Anfisa on Dancing With the Stars! Please TV Gods make this happen.

Put her with Maks...see how much of a temper she has then!

[checker]

1 hour ago, SoshulMeedya said:

She just posted on instagram that she and Jorge just signed with a media firm, or agent. So they are still together. Hoping for a spin off maybe?

Their list of "talents" is a sad list of social media has-beens.

[spankydoll]

10 minutes ago, SoshulMeedya said:

Lol, I'd pay money to watch them on Survivor.

You are a damn genius!

[Desert Rat]

1 hour ago, SoshulMeedya said:

Lol, I'd pay money to watch them on Survivor.

Unless it's Survivor at the Ritz, Anfisa will never agree to do it.  

[KateHearts]

Jorge: (plaintively whining): "I'm sorryyyy."  (brings out bag from not-so-fancy boutique)

Anfisa:  "sorry for what." (deadpan, looking bored)

Jorge:  "I dunnoooo... whatever happened."

Facepalm.

[Landlord]

On 25/08/2017 at 11:36 PM, Desert Rat said:

Unless it's Survivor at the Ritz, Anfisa will never agree to do it.  

Dunno, for a million bucks? Girl would do anything to have that kind of money. She would tear through them all. She is cunning enough. I would love to see this.

[happy hobo]

7 hours ago, Landlord said:

Dunno, for a million bucks? Girl would do anything to have that kind of money. She would tear through them all. She is cunning enough. I would love to see this.

Nah!  For a million dollars......she would be pure cannibal . She would not only outplay/outlast/ out whatever.......she would eat them.......ALIVE. 

(and she would still have a face like a duck)

Edited August 27, 2017 by happy hobo

[spankydoll]

Anfisa really overdid it on the fillers!

Spoiler

 

[Landlord]

On 27/08/2017 at 4:46 PM, SoshulMeedya said:

I could see her winning! And Jorge would get voted out before the merge.

He'd go first or second, he's a pretty bad lawyer... ''It's a f***ing stick!''

[sleepyjean]

On 8/27/2017 at 4:13 AM, Landlord said:

Dunno, for a million bucks? Girl would do anything to have that kind of money.

Assuming "anything" does not include actual work, sacrifice, or effort on her part. No way she'd ever do Survivor.  Big Brother is more her speed. She could lounge around in swimwear and sexy outfits and glare at everyone. 

[Nancypants]

On 8/25/2017 at 9:24 PM, spankydoll said:

You are a damn genius!

 

On 8/25/2017 at 9:11 PM, SoshulMeedya said:

Lol, I'd pay money to watch them on Survivor.

Or Naked and Afraid.

[Desert Rat]

9 hours ago, Nancypants said:

 

Or Naked and Afraid.

No thanks, I do not want to see anymore of her body than I already have, but in sure she would jump at the opportunity to be on that show.

[Nancypants]

It would be fun to watch these two have to use any wits they might have to get through this challenge. They are both so soft and clueless. I bet Anfisa would do it if the prize was a 10.000 Channel bag at th end. Jorge would cry like a little bitch after 1 hour then tap his fat ass out. 

Anfisa would then go intimidate a crocodile into doing her bidding. She would later kill and eat him, then use his hide for designer luggage and accessories.

[sleepyjean]

Well...now she's 22. I wonder if Jorge is the one taking photos of her for Instagram. And if not him, then who?

[lenny]

On 8/4/2017 at 6:18 AM, gonecrackers said:

I don't think just any rich dude is going to put up with Anfisa's abuse & attitude though.

And that's her problem.....why she's stuck with Jorge. She isn't terribly attractive aside from a nice body. Walk down any street in the country and you'll see plenty of nice female bodies, many that are better than hers by today's standards. Her controlling, demanding, screaming and abusive personality came out before she knew Jorge wasn't loaded so her charm won't win anyone over. A truly wealthy man who has his pick of the litter wouldn't even consider her a contender.

I keep thinking that considering her objectives she would have done some research on potential suitors and knew all along that loverboy is broke. My theory is that with limited choices she figured she'd get what she could out of Jorge, drain him dry, get to the U.S. and make herself rich and famous using TLC as her launch pad. How long before we see a porn film featuring her with some minor celebrity? You know she's read Kim Kardashian's bio cover to cover.

Just my theory.