Good Girls - General Discussion

[Guest]

It's a good thing this show has short seasons, because this is two seasons in a row that by the time it nears its end, I am so sick of the contrived plotlines and hate most of the characters but because of the nature of the show, I enjoy it when I'm not thinking too much.  

Beth is just awful.  The whole premise of the show "We'll lose our house if we don't steal" that led to her getting deeper and deeper in (and Rio getting.... oh never mind) - millions of people face that each year. They don't steal.

Annie is an immature brat who has the common sense of an old shoe.

Ruby is the only one of the women I like.

Agent Turner really should be the "hero" of the situation, but the way the show portrays him, we root against him.  

Dean is pathetic, but arguably "less bad" than his spouse to society, but a worse partner, so it's pretty much even there.

Last season, Annie's baby daddy seemed like a good guy, but this season they've made him a jerk.  

Stan is the real victim in all of this, to me.  Worked hard to achieve his dream only to throw it all away to save his criminal wife and her criminal friends.

And Rio is just gross. I don't find him hot. I don't find him sympathetic. I just find him disgusting.

[iMonrey]

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Agent Turner really should be the "hero" of the situation, but the way the show portrays him, we root against him. 

And they have really doubled down on that now that he has openly threatened to manufacture evidence against Stan in order to coerce him into making a false confession.  I mean, it's one thing when he was just doing his job and trying to bust these criminals. Now he's nakedly admitting he will find some criminal willing to cut a deal and lie as a witness against Stan. He is officially "dirty" now, not just doing his job anymore. 

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And Rio is just gross. I don't find him hot. I don't find him sympathetic. I just find him disgusting.

I have not liked this aspect of the story since the moment they started hinting at it. Maybe if they had hired someone more attractive to play Rio? I have a visceral revulsion to him every time I see him. He makes a great gangster, sure, but I don't think he's sexy or whatever they're going for here. Just - ick, no.

[PumpkinPK]

2 hours ago, deaja said:

No. You’re not.

In a fictional world, would TOTALLY have a one-night stand with him if I met him in another country or city.  Give him a fake name for myself (my stripper name in my mind).  As long as I was certain I would never see him again, and he could never find me.

[PumpkinPK]

23 minutes ago, deaja said:

And Rio is just gross. I don't find him hot. I don't find him sympathetic. I just find him disgusting.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, PumpkinPK said:

In a fictional world, would TOTALLY have a one-night stand with him if I met him in another country or city.  Give him a fake name for myself (my stripper name in my mind).  As long as I was certain I would never see him again, and he could never find me.

It's not just Rio that I find unattractive or anything. It's the whole situation with Beth.  He's broken into her house multiple times, beaten up her husband, shot her husband, shown up when she's with her kids (didn't he show up to her kids' birthday party?), threatened her, intimidated her, etc.  She acts desperate to get her kids back, and then hours before they are going to be home, she has him come to her house again for sex - it's not just Rio being a crook, it's the whole situation that I just find to be repulsive on both sides.

[PumpkinPK]

30 minutes ago, deaja said:

It's not just Rio that I find unattractive or anything. It's the whole situation with Beth.  He's broken into her house multiple times, beaten up her husband, shot her husband, shown up when she's with her kids (didn't he show up to her kids' birthday party?), threatened her, intimidated her, etc.  She acts desperate to get her kids back, and then hours before they are going to be home, she has him come to her house again for sex - it's not just Rio being a crook, it's the whole situation that I just find to be repulsive on both sides.

100% agree with every point in your post.

Although I did kind of enjoy her using him for sex one last time, and crudely leaving his cut that she owed him on the nightstand.

[BoogieBurns]

48 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Maybe if they had hired someone more attractive to play Rio?

Different strokes. I can't think of a more attractive actor who could pull this off. 

Manny Montana is good sexy. Rio is bad sexy. Math adds up for me.

[dubbel zout]

1 hour ago, deaja said:

Last season, Annie's baby daddy seemed like a good guy, but this season they've made him a jerk. 

He was kind of a jerk last season, too. He wanted to get full (? at any rate, more) custody of Sadie, remember? That was one of the reasons Annie was up for stealing. 

This show needs an end date, because you can only stretch out this sort of plot for so long. I'm already kind of bored by the stealing and stuff, though the acting is good enough to keep me watching. Ruby's story is the most interesting for me.

[quirkygal]

9 hours ago, Empress1 said:

I also liked the little detail of Ruby's house having been the house she grew up in, left to her by her mother. A security guard turned cop (so not too many bigger paychecks under his belt yet) and a diner waitress/donut shop cashier with a daughter with a pre-existing condition would have a hard time saving money to buy a place. And you can tell their place is older and hasn't been updated.

I've kinda filled in the Ruby/Stan backstory for myself. No idea if I'm right but I'm from the rust belt and know lots of folks like them.  Basically they worked good blue collar jobs at one of the big factories and were solidly middle class. With ruby's mom leaving her the house they even had a leg up (good school district, hopefully paid off, etc.) On their neighbors.

And then the recessions hit. And the political maneuvering which seemed to put money in shareholders hands and left workers behind. The plants closed, the wars ramped up, and the housing market imploded.

Likely Stan lost his good paying job with excellent medical insurance and couldn't find a comparable position. Maybe he always wanted to be a cop but stuck with his safe job because that's what folks in his family did and he had a kid with medical problems.  (Seriously auto company provided health insurance used to be really good) . The bottom fell out for them like so many people in fly over country.

And now we're here.

[iMonrey]

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This show needs an end date, because you can only stretch out this sort of plot for so long. I'm already kind of bored by the stealing and stuff, though the acting is good enough to keep me watching. Ruby's story is the most interesting for me.

It's quickly becoming the most unrealistic though. We've already commented on how unlikely it would be that a judge would issue a warrant for Stan's arrest based only on a lie detector test, and Turner has shown he has not yet found a willing liar to testify against Stan. I'd also like to give Ruby enough credit that she wouldn't try to borrow 35K from a payday loan center. 

It's easier to see Beth getting deeper and deeper into this but it's making Ruby look like the fool. As for Annie, well, she started out that way.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

4 hours ago, deaja said:

He was kind of a jerk last season, too. He wanted to get full (? at any rate, more) custody of Sadie, remember? That was one of the reasons Annie was up for stealing. 

But that was because Annie was pretty much a screw-up. I didn't think that made him a jerk. Sadie seemed to be ok with it as well.

[Trini]

3 hours ago, deaja said:

It's not just Rio that I find unattractive or anything. It's the whole situation with Beth.  He's broken into her house multiple times, beaten up her husband, shot her husband, shown up when she's with her kids (didn't he show up to her kids' birthday party?), threatened her, intimidated her, etc.  She acts desperate to get her kids back, and then hours before they are going to be home, she has him come to her house again for sex - it's not just Rio being a crook, it's the whole situation that I just find to be repulsive on both sides.

The fact that nothing good can come of this relationship is one of the appeals of  this storyline for me.  ::shrug::

[dubbel zout]

I think he went about it in a jerky way. Or I might just be sick of custody battles in general because I watch General Hospital, and that's a go-to "drama" for that fakakta show.

[Empress1]

4 hours ago, PumpkinPK said:

In a fictional world, would TOTALLY have a one-night stand with him if I met him in another country or city.  Give him a fake name for myself (my stripper name in my mind).  As long as I was certain I would never see him again, and he could never find me.

Are we talking about Manny Montana or Rio? Because if we're talking about Manny Montana and he were single (he's married), I'd hit that like the wrath of God and I would tell EVERYBODY. I am on the record as thinking he's fine.

If we're talking about Rio, I'd still have sex with him but I'd be more discreet because of the criminal aspect. (And this is assuming I knew he was a criminal before I slept with him; I doubt he announces it. If I didn't know he was a criminal? See above re: hitting that.)

[Anela]

While I've joked about Rio shooting Dean again, when he just dismissed Beth, once she got his business running - Rio brought a gun into her house, where her children are. He also dumped one of his criminals at her place, in her daughter's bed. Just - no. I find the actor attractive, but this guy threatened her by visiting with her son in the back garden. He used her child to intimidate her. So, no, I wouldn't have sex with Rio. 

[helenamonster]

Jessica Walter as Dean's mom was a great little cameo. It was nice to see an amicable relationship between her and Beth, even though she and Dean are having problems--I get so sick of the sniping in-laws trope that's so common on TV. Some people related only by marriage do get along!

I find it interesting--and so, so telling--how Dean thinks Beth did everything she did because he cheated. Dude. You were going BANKRUPT. You were about to lose your HOUSE. We can debate the merits of Beth using crime to solve her problems, but her intentions were to keep her kids out of poverty. Not everybody is motivated solely by their egos, you sad shell of a man.

If they'd had Greg come at Noah from the angle of "I don't want this guy I barely know spending time alone with my kid" I would get it, but his whole attitude was so off this episode I had trouble taking his side, even though I know he's right. Don't you have a new baby to hang out with, dude? Jeez just go away.

The guy from the payday lone place is a treasure. "I've got my financial services degree from MSU, bitch!"

Beth and Rio. What else can I say? Yowza.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Empress1 said:

Are we talking about Manny Montana or Rio? Because if we're talking about Manny Montana and he were single (he's married), I'd hit that like the wrath of God and I would tell EVERYBODY. I am on the record as thinking he's fine.

If we're talking about Rio, I'd still have sex with him but I'd be more discreet because of the criminal aspect. (And this is assuming I knew he was a criminal before I slept with him; I doubt he announces it. If I didn't know he was a criminal? See above re: hitting that.)

He has a very sexy voice. Even though I’m on Team Creepy, I like his voice.

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I think he went about it in a jerky way. Or I might just be sick of custody battles in general because I watch General Hospital, and that's a go-to "drama" for that fakakta show.

Honestly, I’d have to rewatch the first season because I don’t remember how it went down.

[thesupremediva1]

I'm sorry to say this, but the only thing keeping me tuning into this farcical, nonsensical comedy is Beth and Rio. The chemistry is off the charts and I'm not looking for this to be a good idea or make sense.

Manny Montana is fine as hell, and Rio is my favorite thing on this show.

[LaMatadita]

On 4/29/2019 at 7:41 PM, TrininisaScorp said:

I loved how nervous they were.  If the bathroom hookup was just scratching an itch that has been building, this was something else for both of them.  I don't know if it is purposeful, but Montana played it with a lot of feeling, like Rio caught feelings, right?  (or am I just making that up?!) The kiss sequence was also nicely done...tentative...calm...then, pure heat. 

I've suspected he had some developing feelings for a while, namely because a) he didn't kill her after she got him arrested, and b) the way MM played Rio in the bar right before their bathroom hookup seemed nervous. He wasn't shooting back flirty smiles, he was fidgeting and sucking his teeth. I don't think a guy that pretty with that much raw sex appeal gets nervous over a woman unless he wants to do more than just have sex with her. (I also don't think he ever thought anything would actually happen between them, so he was really taken aback by the hair twirling and eyefucking, lol.) But yeah, regardless of when the feelings developed, they are definitely there now! There was no need for their nervousness and awkwardness, or that whole thing with her socks, or the lack of music to emphasize the intensity and intimacy, if it was just about sex.

12 hours ago, deaja said:

It's not just Rio that I find unattractive or anything. It's the whole situation with Beth.  He's broken into her house multiple times, beaten up her husband, shot her husband, shown up when she's with her kids (didn't he show up to her kids' birthday party?), threatened her, intimidated her, etc.  She acts desperate to get her kids back, and then hours before they are going to be home, she has him come to her house again for sex - it's not just Rio being a crook, it's the whole situation that I just find to be repulsive on both sides.

He definitely did all of those things, and I wouldn't argue that he's a good person (though I would argue that there are significantly worse people in the world than Rio), but Beth experienced all of those things firsthand, and she still went back and asked for more. And not just once, but multiple times! I see a lot of domestic abuse comparisons when it comes to this, but they don't work for me because a) he and Beth barely knew each other and were not romantically involved until pretty recently, b) the intimidation wasn't personal, it was him doing his job, c) he didn't try to coerce or convince her to come back in Season 1 (she did it because she wanted to), and d) he has never tried to tear her down emotionally to make her more reliant on him. He's been brutally honest with her, sure, but he's never tried to make her feel like shit about herself. 

My point isn't that either of them is good or bad because that's kind of beside the point for me. I ship them because I find them psychologically fascinating, both together and apart. (And yes, also because their chemistry is far greater than it has any right to be!) For the most part, Beth has stubbornly refused to let him succeed in intimidating her, and in doing so, she has systematically stripped away not just his "sociopathic gang leader" mask (which is definitely a mask, because the person we've seen over the last 3 episodes is the person he actually is), but every other method he's tried to use to control her. Hell, I would even argue that his attempts to control her are usually about protecting his business, not about controlling her personally. He has been perfectly willing to let her ignore his advice and make her own mistakes--I have never seen a gang leader who seems to value blind obedience as little as he does. 

Obviously, their pairing is unlikely, and the psychology of it all is not something that I would say is 100% applicable to real life--I don't think we should all go out and find hot gang friends to try to psychologically disarm--but isn't that part of what fiction is for? To let us explore things that are too dangerous to explore in real life, or things that are improbable but not impossible?

6 hours ago, deaja said:

He has a very sexy voice. Even though I’m on Team Creepy, I like his voice.

I've been gradually working my way through another show he was on, and he doesn't really have the same husky quality to his voice that he has on GG. I just think it's interesting because he's not making his voice deeper as Rio, he's just adding this layer of huskiness to it. Either that or something has happened to his voice in the last few years! (His character is also really different from Rio, so I hope he doesn't just get typecast as a sexy thug now.)

4 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I'm sorry to say this, but the only thing keeping me tuning into this farcical, nonsensical comedy is Beth and Rio. The chemistry is off the charts and I'm not looking for this to be a good idea or make sense.

Manny Montana is fine as hell, and Rio is my favorite thing on this show.

And then there's that, lol.

Edited May 1, 2019 by LaMatadita

[BoogieBurns]

13 hours ago, LaMatadita said:

His character is also really different from Rio, so I hope he doesn't just get typecast as a sexy thug now.

I read a short bio of him somewhere that said the role he took before this one (likely the show you're watching) was his first time not playing a thug. So, I have a feeling he just has that look. He's great at it!

[TrininisaScorp]

21 hours ago, Empress1 said:

Are we talking about Manny Montana or Rio? Because if we're talking about Manny Montana and he were single (he's married), I'd hit that like the wrath of God and I would tell EVERYBODY. I am on the record as thinking he's fine.

If we're talking about Rio, I'd still have sex with him but I'd be more discreet because of the criminal aspect. (And this is assuming I knew he was a criminal before I slept with him; I doubt he announces it. If I didn't know he was a criminal? See above re: hitting that.)

ALL OF THIS RIGHT HERE.  Clearly, YMMV on Manny himself.  Personally, I'm twisted hard.  Since Graceland.  He's so fine, and my type.  That lightweight boxer/runner look with pretty eyes and a sex dripping voice is a long term weakness for me (hell, I married it!).  If we weren't both married and the situation were to present itself, I would climb him like a gd redwood as if it were MY JOB.  Ya heard?!

Now, Rio.  See my above shallow feelings, but I find this show to be surrealist.  If it were more based in reality, I would feel weird about Rio and Beth.  For me personally, it works b/c of this twisted reality.  He's a criminal with a propensity for violence, yet in the microcosm of just them, he understands her, he appreciates her, he admires her (for multiple reasons), and he's the only man we've seen that treats her like an equal, like she matters outside of a very traditional gender role.  In just that limited scope, don't we all want those things?  Yeah, he's done some terrible things, but all of these folks have.  So, I say all that to say, for me, it has more to do with the twisted lens of the show:  Beth + Rio works for me.

[iMonrey]

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He definitely did all of those things, and I wouldn't argue that he's a good person (though I would argue that there are significantly worse people in the world than Rio), but Beth experienced all of those things firsthand, and she still went back and asked for more. 

That's what makes it so sick if you ask me. It's like someone whose boyfriend beats the crap out of her and she keeps going back for more. That's not sexy. 

[LaMatadita]

2 hours ago, BoogieBurns said:

I read a short bio of him somewhere that said the role he took before this one (likely the show you're watching) was his first time not playing a thug. So, I have a feeling he just has that look. He's great at it!

When I saw him on GG, I knew I recognized his face, so I looked up his profile, and I only knew him from a guest spot on Lucifer and maybe one episode of that show he did with the woman who played Beth on The Walking Dead. I literally remember nothing about his character on that show, so not sure if he was an ex-gang member or what. Watching Graceland now, and his character is a pretty sweet, emotionally vulnerable guy. He's FBI, so his backstory had him undercover as a gang member, but it wasn't shown on the show. He does have to play a tough guy when he's undercover, so there are little glimpses of something Rio-like, but for the most, the characters are very different. He's very careful with his facial expressions, he has a way of owning his dialogue, and even his walk is different. He's a pretty enjoyable character actor, so typecasting him as a thug just seems like a waste.

25 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

That's what makes it so sick if you ask me. It's like someone whose boyfriend beats the crap out of her and she keeps going back for more. That's not sexy. 

I countered exactly that argument right after the part that you quoted.

[Anela]

34 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

That's what makes it so sick if you ask me. It's like someone whose boyfriend beats the crap out of her and she keeps going back for more. That's not sexy. 

Yep. And this is a personal thing, so nobody's argument will counter my own feelings about it. I like the actor, but I'm not attracted to abusive men. Murderers, even. Endanger any member of my family, or myself, and nothing is happening between us.

[tennisgurl]

Beth and Rio really do have crazy smokin chemistry, mix matched socks and all. What always hurts all that sexy thought is Rio is such a horrible and dangerous guy, I feel like he might just strangle Beth one day if he felt like he needed to, right in the middle. 

Jessica Walter, what a pleasant surprise! Nice to see that she is aware of at least some of her sons flaws, and she and Beth seem to be on good terms. 

With as many criminals that are on this show, its the cops who I find the shadiest. Well, except for Rio, he passes shady and into full on scary. But Jace and his undercover pal are both d-bags. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by tennisgurl

[leighdear]

I liked the scene where Beth was putting the "dirty" sheets in the washer, added the detergent....then added MORE detergent....*LOL*   Little touches like that say a lot. 

The last scene where Annie hears Noah's fake story and seems ready to drop her own story has GOT to be interrupted by one of the girls, her kid or SOMETHING.  I really don't want the writers to take her so far into she-screwed-the-pooch land that she can't get back. 

My problem with Ruby goes back to when she let the cops in, knowing they were there to take Stan, and just allowing her kids to stand there and watch it.  I would have turned around, grabbed them both and shoved them in their rooms with an excuse that "Daddy's co-workers came to pick him up" for the moment, then "He's working late" until I could bail him out.  You DO NOT let your kids see that because they can never, ever, ever unsee that.  (I know the writers make her character do that, but it annoys me).  She's actually my least favorite character. 

Edited May 5, 2019 by leighdear

[Trini]

Next episode:

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"This Land Is Your Land"

Season 2, Episode 10

With Beth determined to lead a new crime-free life, a desperate Ruby and Annie go behind her back to strike a new deal with Rio.

[DanaMB]

I love the music on this show. 

Beth didn't last long. Glad for it, though.

Annie is still an idiot.

[TigerLynx]

I somewhat understand what Beth was saying about it being fun.  It gets old being the responsible reliable adult especially when you are surrounded by flakes (her dumbass husband and sister) who flit through life expecting everyone else to clean up their messes.  Of course, not everyone turns to a life of crime to try to solve their money problems.

[LaMatadita]

I love Beth, but I was annoyed with how she was approaching things in this episode. Girl, you already know you're not gonna be happy just being homemaker wifey because you tried that in the first season and you were miserable! Is she too afraid of Dean now to say, "I will still mother your children, but Wife of the Year Beth is has left the building"? And "real book club" is not a hobby!

I understand that Beth is probably not going to stay done with the crime life because then we wouldn't have a show, but I think there would have been a little more interest and tension if Beth had actually approached her attempt to "stay clean" with some emotional intelligence and tried to find a way to fit back into her home life that was a compromise between old Beth and new Beth. There were some funny moments--I was cackling when she was shopping with the PTA moms, and I loved her actually using her "crime chapstick" like it was a fix--but there was no real tension because I knew within the first 5 minutes that Beth was gonna snap.

[Empress1]

Is Annie just now realizing that she's kind of a mess? Really?

[Ms Lark]

Beth should go on one of those baking competitions. The cutthroat kind with a big payoff, not just a trophy. I was sad she trashed everything, she could have taken it to a "feed the homeless" place and they would have been most appreciative. Unlike the stupid bitch vapid soccer moms. WTF?

I'm kind of upset with Ruby. You dump the big stash, typically the drug boss will demand his payment regardless or you get offed. Day ain't over yet for that one. With all her fearfulness, Ruby is going to wind up sending everyone to prison! Or the boneyard.

[lefawn]

That’s the most powerful toilet since the one on Beverly Hills 90210 David and Dylan used to flush his stash!

So Rio’s got an informant.  I’m assuming it’s the guy Annie’s been hooking up with because that “search” of the cooler was nothing.  Noah (?) must be working for both sides.  I wonder if the delivery Annie got in Canada was fake and a test of sorts?

[chocolatine]

1 hour ago, Ms Lark said:

I'm kind of upset with Ruby. You dump the big stash, typically the drug boss will demand his payment regardless or you get offed. Day ain't over yet for that one. With all her fearfulness, Ruby is going to wind up sending everyone to prison! Or the boneyard.

Did she really dump the stash though, or is that just what she told Annie? When she got home that day, she told Stan they were going out to celebrate because she was getting him a real lawyer. 🤔

[dubbel zout]

I was so disappointed Beth trashed all those baked goods. What a complete waste. Ugh. 

2 hours ago, Empress1 said:

Is Annie just now realizing that she's kind of a mess? Really?

No, she's always known it. It just hits her harder at different moments.

I liked the Annie/Ruby fight on the bus. They both were right: Annie always expects Beth (usually) to clean up her messes, and Annie knows she's a convenient excuse for Ruby and Beth when stuff goes south.

So what happened to the big confession scene with Annie and the FBI guy? Bait and switch isn't fair to the viewers.

[Boofish]

On 4/30/2019 at 10:33 PM, thesupremediva1 said:

I'm sorry to say this, but the only thing keeping me tuning into this farcical, nonsensical comedy is Beth and Rio. The chemistry is off the charts and I'm not looking for this to be a good idea or make sense.

Manny Montana is fine as hell, and Rio is my favorite thing on this show.

What she said. I would loan Manny Montana my rent money probably knowing he wasn't going to pay me back😂

[sempervivum]

This is minor, but I laughed when Beth informed the PTA moms that Indian headdress cupcakes (or whatever it was) were 'cultural appropriation', but then was shocked and affronted when they informed her that all the stuff she baked had gluten/poison! in it.  Battle of the politically correct. (Those ombre maple leaf cookies were works of art, though- she should have taken all the goodies to the dealership to give out to customers).

4 hours ago, lefawn said:

That’s the most powerful toilet since the one on Beverly Hills 90210 David and Dylan used to flush his stash!

Yeeeah. She was definitely shown ripping those pages into pieces, but we never heard a flush, did we? Yet how would she get the books up into the ceiling? The trash can, despite Turner climbing on it, wouldn't really hold anyone's weight, and Beth is a full 7" shorter than Turner(yes, I looked it up!).

Good to see Ruby getting Stan out of his funk.  I loved the pink beret'd little girl scout troop, although I didn't understand why they had to go to Canada to cheer up some old folks.

Edited May 6, 2019 by sempervivum
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[tennisgurl]

The scouts in their little pink berets were so cute! Not sure why they had to go all the way to Canada to cheer up old people, but they all seemed to enjoy it. Snapchat for all!

The music this week was very on point, I loved that version of This Land is Your Land. 

The Ruby/Annie fight on the bus was really well done, and I think they both had decent points. Annie does tend to think of herself first and expect others to clean up her messes, but Ruby and Beth do look at her as a convenient scapegoat, even when it isnt her fault. I mean, Annie cant be that shocked to realize that she is a massive hot mess, right?

So is Noah playing both sides down the middle?

[bilgistic]

4 hours ago, lefawn said:

That’s the most powerful toilet since the one on Beverly Hills 90210 David and Dylan used to flush his stash!

Maybe the dealership has the same model toilet that Better Things' Sam recently bought.

[mansfolly]

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Beth should go on one of those baking competitions. The cutthroat kind with a big payoff, not just a trophy. I was sad she trashed everything, she could have taken it to a "feed the homeless" place and they would have been most appreciative. Unlike the stupid bitch vapid soccer moms. WTF?

I'm kind of upset with Ruby. You dump the big stash, typically the drug boss will demand his payment regardless or you get offed. Day ain't over yet for that on

That's just what I was thinking...why waste all that food and your hard work!!! 

I bake and I just loved those cute Turkey Cupcakes she piped. Gotta find a picture.

If Ruby talked to me like that, mess or no mess, I certainly wouldn't be in her company any time soon. Right, Day ain't over. Ruby wasn't thinking. Beth is no savoir...she got her sister and friend in a lot of tight spots where they could have been raped or killed or both.  I don't like Beth.

I think that FBI boyfriend Noah and Annie are in it together and Noah KNEW there would be no evidence during the raid...he just set it up to seem like he was doing his job. He has fallen for Annie.

[dubbel zout]

The scouts went to Canada so Ruby and Annie could smuggle the drugs back into the States.

[Guest]

That was pretty bad. 

First, I admit I'm just sick of Beth overall, but the show using her to say how vapid the other women are when Beth was fully one of them until she turned to crime was so over the top. Yeah, they may be debating corn stalks vs turkeys, but they aren't criminals, so I think I'll go with them. 

Second, I was also wondering if Ruby double crossed Annie - that would really make it more interesting to me.  It would explain why they were celebrating.

Third, Dumb Annie realizing how dumb she truly is was.... too late?  Also, if you want to find out if your insurance covers something, your new manager is not the best one to ask.  Your benefits guide or insurance guide will suit you better.  And I'm surprised he's on Annie's insurance anyway. You would think the father with the good job would have better insurance.

[justmehere]

58 minutes ago, deaja said:

the show using her to say how vapid the other women are when Beth was fully one of them until she turned to crime was so over the top.

I thought it just showed how much she had changed. She tried to go back, wanted to go back, but she has changed so much, she can't. Trashing the baked goods was despair at not knowing her place. She doesn't want to be a criminal anymore, but she is no longer a housewife who lives only for her kids. Stealing the lip balm showed both sides as well. She has become addicted to the adrenaline of her crimes, but she doesn't want to put her family in harm's way anymore, so she hesitated even with something that small. The adrenaline won out. That's why she was at a meeting saying she was an addict. And then she wasn't.

1 hour ago, deaja said:

And I'm surprised he's on Annie's insurance anyway. You would think the father with the good job would have better insurance.

I wondered that too, re: the suppression drugs. Maybe Annie doesn't want to ask, given recent events. I'd think Sadie would ask about it though. 

[Anela]

6 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

So what happened to the big confession scene with Annie and the FBI guy? Bait and switch isn't fair to the viewers.

I don't remember a confession scene in the previews, unless you're referring to her saying they were more alike than he knew. So she was stupid enough to talk all about it. I'm usually a defender of hers, but that is just dumb. You don't talk about extra-curricular activities, with those who aren't involved! And you certainly don't announce new activity as your reason for needing the day off. 

3 hours ago, mansfolly said:

I think that FBI boyfriend Noah and Annie are in it together and Noah KNEW there would be no evidence during the raid...he just set it up to seem like he was doing his job. He has fallen for Annie.

I don't think so, that look she gave him at the end was a nervous, "I'm so stupid" look. I don't know why he walked in and acted like things were fine, when she would have to know if she told him certain things, and then the police were all over the dealership the next day. I suppose he could be a plant for Rio, too, but if he is, he hasn't told Annie. 

[CarpeFelis]

WTF was Beth thinking, throwing away all the stuff she'd spent hours baking and decorating?! (Not to mention, the ingredients for all that stuff sure as hell weren't free - which also makes me wonder why one person was saddled with making it all.) She could have given some to Ruby and Annie, fed some to her family, and put the rest in the freezer. Or taken some to the dealership.

Hadn't thought about this until I read the comments but now I'm wondering if Ruby did double-cross Annie, because if they don't come through with the drugs, isn't Rio going to come after them?

[TigerLynx]

If Ruby did double cross Annie, things just got interesting.  There is no such thing as honor among thieves or criminals.

When it comes to Beth, Ruby, and Annie, they can't see the forest for the trees.  It's so much easier to see someone else's shortcomings than it is your own.

[helenamonster]

I don't think it was until Beth got into "book club" that she realized how much more she wanted out of life than to be a stay-at-home mom. Before "book club," I think she took on that role because a) she did not have that kind of mom (based on the little information we got in the flashback episode) and wanted more for her kids, and b) because Dean seems to have very traditional ideas of what a wife and mother is supposed to be (probably based on his own mom, who shares a lot of similarities to Beth). Before "book club," she was always throwing her whole self into her homemaker activities, constantly going over the top with everything and running the whole show. I think it was a subconscious restlessness, a yearning for something more stimulating that she didn't know she had.

And now that she's had a taste of one of the most extreme lifestyles a person could have, she can't go back. She can't fill up her brain with cornstalks vs. turkeys and which kid in the class is allergic to nuts. In another timeline she probably would have thrived in any one of a variety of careers, with her sense of focus, diligent work ethic, and flair for creativity. But she got exposed to this, and now she can't settle for anything less. She's an addict.

Ruby's got something up her sleeve, and while I have a hard time believing she'd double cross Annie like that, I can't think of what else it could be. But she wouldn't be getting Stan's hopes up about a lawyer if she didn't have one.

It was fun to see Ruby and Annie figuring out "book club" without Beth. It really drove home how much this was "her thing" and they were just along for the ride. It almost didn't feel right for the two of them to be meeting Rio and going on a run without her.

Annie's a dumb mess but Mae Whitman's got a really cute singing voice.

[HighQueenEB]

Just caught up on last night's episode.  A few thoughts...  

The way Beth looked at the mirror when she was ripping out the "book club" books, and the way Turner did not seem to search behind that mirror make me think she hid the empty binder there rather than under the ceiling tiles.

It hadn't occurred to me until I came here that Ruby must have played Annie but that makes the most sense since there's no way she can come up with the money to pay for a decent lawyers otherwise.

As far as Annie and Noah are concerned...  Yes, she totally blabbed and it didn't even occur to her until Beth wondered how the FBI knew to raid the dealership and exactly what they were looking for, just how much she had really screwed up.  It was clear, when she went to work the next morning that she's put it together enough to strongly suspect Noah is, at minimum, an FBI informant.

[qtpye]

On 4/30/2019 at 7:32 AM, Chaos Theory said:

I wish this show got more traction because it really is a fun show that deserves better.  

Ruby and Stan are relationship goals.  I really love how he was all nonchalant about asking her how she got the money to bail him out:  not so sure where the writers are going with the daughter.  Is she the one who got the transplant?

Beth and Dean have been the most likeable as a couple as they have ever been.  Their talk was incredibly realistic and a long time coming.

I did a doubletake when I recognized the guy who played Noah.  Oh Josh from my beloved US version of Being Human....playing a guy I want to see someone kil by the end of the season.

I loved Josh!

On 4/30/2019 at 12:21 PM, Absurda said:

So much this!  Really, she lets some guy she barely knows hang out with her kid unsupervised?  Annie really makes the most astoundingly bad choices.  As my mother would say:  she has shit for brains.

I really feel for Ruby and Stan.  Stan's defeated, disillusioned attitude when she bailed him out was heartbreaking. 

The actress is likable but her decisions are horrible. This is almost a dream situation for a pedophile. 

21 hours ago, DanaMB said:

I love the music on this show. 

Beth didn't last long. Glad for it, though.

Annie is still an idiot.

She really never learns.

21 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

I somewhat understand what Beth was saying about it being fun.  It gets old being the responsible reliable adult especially when you are surrounded by flakes (her dumbass husband and sister) who flit through life expecting everyone else to clean up their messes.  Of course, not everyone turns to a life of crime to try to solve their money problems.

I also think Beth had to be the responsible adult from childhood and had to step up and take the place of her mother.

The music on this show is awesome. I have never cared so much about chapstick.

[Trini]

Quick thoughts:

So it's Thanksgiving -ish? The passage of time is so vague on this show, and it doesn't help that the scenery/weather doesn't match. When did Season 1 take place??

I still confused about the exact situation with Stan. What is he being charged with? And do they actually have enough evidence to convict him?

I get why Ruby tossed the pills, and I agree with her on one hand, but on the other, I still think it was a bad idea. She screwed over her friend, Annie; and more dangerously, she screwed over Rio.

Beth's return to "normal" life was humorous and sad. And as someone who has similarly spent way too much time making and decorating treats, I was all, "Nooooooo!" when Beth trashed the cookies. They're still edible!!

Am I supposed to believe Noah caught real feelings for Annie? Eh.

Who is Rio's informant? Actually, I'm surprised - and disappointed - we haven't learned more about Rio. Especially since they decided to progress the Beth/Rio relationship this season.