S01.E11: Chapter Eleven: To Riverdale and Back Again

[MarkHB]

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Betty is slammed overseeing Homecoming and Reunion weekend, but Alice wants her to help with the Jason Blossom investigation. Alice turns to Archie and Veronica for help, but when Betty discovers they are working with her mom, she is not happy. After seeing his father FP start to clean up his act, Jughead wonders if it’s the right time to give him another chance. Cheryl and Polly have both decided to go to Homecoming in Jason’s honor, until a revelation waylays their plans. Meanwhile, Fred and Mary attend the Homecoming dance, leaving Fred to possibly reconsider the divorce.

(I can't believe they used this title... here's the reference for those who don't know.)

[WhosThatGirl]

Worst homecoming dance.. ever! 

Betty rules. I adore her but seriously.. not telling Jughood what was happening is messed up. Same with Archie and Veronica. Even though they figured out about the lockbox and FP being framed.

Cheryl pulling the covers over Polly was incredibly scary, damn every scene that occurs with On haunted Thornhill mansion is scary as hell.

[Advance35]

Ok, I really liked the Archie/Veronica that we saw in this episode.  I like watching Archie chase Veronica and her being all "Um, no, I'm not in the mood."  The way he was ready to pounce when Veronica brought him into the abandoned classroom made me LMAO, but I definitely felt the chemistry.

Love that for Veronica, even though she's "warm for Archie's form", he still takes 2nd place to the well being of "Planet Veronica Lodge" as a whole. But overall, I think Archie is low key enough to have a calming influence on "Ronnie."  Though I have know problem with Veronica working at the expense and behind the backs of everyone else, you really should love yourself more than anyone else. Go Girl.

Bonus Points for Hermione Lodge saying "It's not the Met Gala, but thanks for having me."  I so see where Veronica gets it.  Hermione and Veronica have a good relationship but sometimes they come off as best friends.  I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

The Blossom's SCARE me.  Good lord, when I saw those wigs I wanted to scream.  I'm wondering how dark they are going to go.  Drugging a pregnant girl????  I think the Blossoms officially win the "Most Ruthless" award.  Silver Medal is going to be a battle royale between The Lodges, The Coopers and FP.

I am really interested in seeing what they are building up to with Cheryl.  I feel like this girl is a Volcano.

Bughead????? Maybe it's all the hype surrounding them.  And I honestly wouldn't mind if the Betty/Veronica friendship came to an end.  I like Veronica's relationship with Kevin more.   And I like her opposite the other characters like Josie, Reggie, Ethel and Cheryl.  If the writers decide to go with the "traditional" Betty and Veronica relationship, I'm ok with it.

[jay741982]

Did Bughead fans catch Betty telling her mother she LOVES Juggy? But anyway more later as I watch the episode in full but yeah I wish Betty would've told Jughead when she realized what her mother was doing and of Course Archie and Veronica were messed up going behind Jugheads back. Figured FP was being framed. I'm calling Pa or Ma Blossom as Jason's killer 

[asabovesobelow]

I finally saw some chemistry between Archie and Veronica so that was nice. Their song together was cute.

And I was pretty convinced that Jughead was way more into Betty than she was into him, but this episode actually might have changed my mind about that. It seemed like a real relationship, not just two friends seeing what it's like to hold hands and kiss a little.

Edited April 28, 2017 by asabovesobelow

[Grumpymonkey]

I just don't like Jughead and every episode that dislike grows. I know.... very unpopular.

Jughead has problems/issues but he isn't the only one. I don't fault Veronica for wanting to know what's going on with her Dad. Especially if he is having people kill for him. So Jughead can slow his roll with the hurt and betrayal, he isn't the only one with the messed up home life. And Veronica took all the blame for what went down (jughead didn't even consider her his friend last week) so I don't get the big betrayl.

Archie while a moron was doing it for decent reasons, he was looking out for his friend and Betty didn't tell the truth but if she did he probably would have reacted the same way.  I cant with the poor, poor Jughead every week. 

And Betty and Jugehad are in love and she is never talking to Archie or Veronica again? Haven't they've been dating for like a month? She didn't even know it was his birthday. But she's gonna toss her supposed life long bff and new bff out the window?  I guess its realistic for a teen show though. The two of them were trying my patience tonight. I wish I dvred so I could FF,  I'd probably would have tolerated them better lol.

Cheryl is awesome and as entertaining as ever and I can't wait to see what she does every week. 

FP was framed, kinda of predictable. 

I did like Mary putting Alice in her place with the line of I'm going to have fun with both my dates. That was nice. 

[SeanC]

Hey, the last few episodes are making me think the writers have finally figured out how to write Archie consistently (and involve him in the main plot).

They released the "Kids in America" performance before the episode, but without the intercut scenes or the context, and it comes across very differently in the episode when you know the context.

Somewhere along the way the show actually got pretty decent at delivering genuine emotion amidst the campier aspects.  I felt very badly for Jughead at the end.

[Chicago Redshirt]

Someone had to be having a laugh when Mary was like, "I want to take you away from Riverdale to someplace safe...Chicago"

[truthaboutluv]

27 minutes ago, Grumpymonkey said:

Jughead has problems/issues but he isn't the only one. I don't fault Veronica for wanting to know what's going on with her Dad. Especially if he is having people kill for him. So Jughead can slow his roll with the hurt and betrayal, he isn't the only one with the messed up home life. And Veronica took all the blame for what went down (jughead didn't even consider her his friend last week) so I don't get the big betrayl.

YMMV but I thought Jughead's anger seemed directed more at Betty, which sucked since she wasn't in on Archie and Veronica's plan and Archie. Honestly, I didn't feel like Jughead acknowledged Veronica much, which fits the fact that they're not very close and are friends largely by convenience. Betty was the one who was equally furious at Archie and Veronica. 

Archie and Veronica continue to have chemistry but my goodness is Archie a flake. Wasn't Archie the one last episode still trying to get Valerie back? I mean I know they are supposed to be like 15/16, so they're supposed to be flaky but it just amuses me. Of course, this is true to comic book Archie who was also a flake. I also cracked up when Betty and Jughead pretty much told Archie his emo music sucked for the Homecoming Dance. I feel like despite being the main character on the show, Archie's gets clowned on quite a bit by other characters. 

36 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I think my favorite scene of this whole series may be the little throwaway bit of Cheryl casually holding the mirror under Polly's nose to see if she was still breathing. 

I cracked up at that moment. It also reminded me of the Golden Girls episode when Dorothy said she put one under Sophia's nose every morning and if it fogged up, she started the coffee. 

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Did Bughead fans catch Betty telling her mother she LOVES Juggy? 

That surprised me but again, kids. They fall very fast and at least Betty has known Jughead for years. But it's funny that when spoiler images for the episode came out, some fans were sure Betty's look was her being upset and jealous over Archie and Veronica's duet. And instead this was all about her being pissed at them for working with her mother behind her back. 

Edited April 28, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[ybrik]

I have to wonder why no one has made the most obvious connection between Hiram-FP-Jason. FP giving Jason the drugs for the drug run wasn't just some good deed to help Jason out. It always felt weird but after hearing that the Blossoms got Hiram arrested, it makes sense. This was going to be Hiram's revenge. I think Jason was going to get set up and get arrested for drug trafficking. So Hiram would pay the Blossoms back for putting him in jail by putting their son in jail.

Alice did you really think FP was just going to sit there and allow himself to be grilled by you and not fight back? And let's face facts he isn't the one hiding his past.

Blossoms drugging Polly. Yeah like that wasn't going to eventually happen. Seriously Polly you think they had something to do with Jason's death yet you take food/drinks from them. You really are a Cooper.

Veronica, I know you just found out that your father was a shady businessman but jumping to murder? There are a few steps between them.

Archie you know how you didn't like Jughead not telling you about FP being a SSS, this is kind of why he didn't tell you.

Wow one murder and Riverdale is less safe than Chicago.

Watched the episode off and on due to draft. Will rewatch later and see what I might have missed.

[memememe76]

Using a Covergirl mirror to make sure Polly is breathing may be the best TV product placement in history.

Doubt it, but maybe Archie planted the gun? That's why he didn't want Veronica to check the bedroom. 

I didn't think Hermione was a Mean Girl in high school. I thought she was a nice girl who succumbed to the seduction of a rich dude.

Man, I love this show. So much.

[CCTC]

35 minutes ago, Grumpymonkey said:

 

I just don't like Jughead and every episode that dislike grows. I know.... very unpopular.

 

I am not sure I dislike him yet, but I think I might like him less and less with each episode.  His long-suffering moping  - can often not see beyond his angst - gets a little old.

[Dee]

So, Archie shares one kiss with Veronica and suddenly he is chasing her through school, begging her to date, and perform with, him?

Meanwhile, Archie shares one kiss with Valerie then totally ditches her & forcibly assaults her when she refuses to accept his self serving explanations?

Wow. Stay classy, Riverdale.

[SeanC]

5 minutes ago, Dee said:

Meanwhile, Archie shares one kiss with Valerie then totally ditches her & forcibly assaults her when she refuses to accept his self serving explanations?

"Forcibly assaults her"?

[jay741982]

23 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

YMMV but I thought Jughead's anger seemed directed more at Betty, which sucked since she wasn't in on Archie and Veronica's plan and Archie. Honestly, I didn't feel like Jughead acknowledged Veronica much, which fits the fact that they're not very close and are friends largely by convenience. Betty was the one who was equally furious at Archie and Veronica. 

Archie and Veronica continue to have chemistry but my goodness is Archie a flake. Wasn't Archie the one last episode still trying to get Valerie back? I mean I know they are supposed to be like 15/16, so they're supposed to be flaky but it just amuses me. Of course, this is true to comic book Archie who was also a flake. I also cracked up when Betty and Jughead pretty much told Archie his emo music sucked for the Homecoming Dance. I feel like despite being the main character on the show, Archie's gets clowned on quite a bit by other characters. 

I cracked up at that moment. It also reminded me of the Golden Girls episode when Dorothy said she put one under Sophia's nose every morning and if it fogged up, she started the coffee. 

That surprised me but again, kids. They fall very fast and at least Betty has known Jughead for years. But it's funny that when spoiler images for the episode came out, some fans were sure Betty's look was her being upset and jealous over Archie and Veronica's duet. And instead this was all about her being pissed at them for working with her mother behind her back. 

I think his anger was directed at Betty cause she's his Girl and he remembers her saying how she wanted them to be complety honest with each other. He was kinda equally pissed at all 3. The Bughead shipper in me liked hearing her say she loved him though I do get they are 15 years old and love can come quickly. Hopefully Juggy cools and listens to Betty she was pissed like he was about Archie and Ronnie doing that. 

[madhacker]

Am I the only one who was kinda hoping that Alice would've tried to stop Betty from leaving just so we could've seen Dark Betty emerge and scare the hell out of her? Just me then?

haters are gonna hate but my heart went out to Juggie when he was tearing the trailer apart then breaking down in tears. Cole really sold that 2 minute scene, and I just wanted to give him a hug at the end. Also it's just weird to see Juggie without his hat on again.

There's only 2 episodes left? Wow they've got a LOT to wrap up in that time. I'm just hoping we get to see some Kevin/Jaoquin sex before it's over for the season (btw I've heard that Casey Cott has been promoted to a full time star for next season)

[Chicago Redshirt]

^Archie grabbed Valerie at Juggy's party when she clearly wasn't having it. 

[jay741982]

1 minute ago, madhacker said:

Am I the only one who was kinda hoping that Alice would've tried to stop Betty from leaving just so we could've seen Dark Betty emerge and scare the hell out of her? Just me then?

haters are gonna hate but my heart went out to Juggie when he was tearing the trailer apart then breaking down in tears. Cole really sold that 2 minute scene, and I just wanted to give him a hug at the end. Also it's just weird to see Juggie without his hat on again.

There's only 2 episodes left? Wow they've got a LOT to wrap up in that time. I'm just hoping we get to see some Kevin/Jaoquin sex before it's over for the season (btw I've heard that Casey Cott has been promoted to a full time star for next season)

LOL I was kinda hoping Alice would've brought out Dark Betty 

[wingster55]

7 minutes ago, Dee said:

So, Archie shares one kiss with Veronica and suddenly he is chasing her through school, begging her to date, and perform with, him?

Meanwhile, Archie shares one kiss with Valerie then totally ditches her & forcibly assaults her when she refuses to accept his self serving explanations?

Wow. Stay classy, Riverdale.

I'd call that a radical interpretation of the text. Assault, really? 

His treatment of Val wasn't perfect but I don't think he was abusive.

[Dee]

A man grabbing a woman and forcibly attempting her from leaving, to the point where she has to throw a drink in his face just to get away, is not a "radical interpretation of the text."

That's most definitely assault.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Dee

[Craphole Island]

I'm thinking it was a Blossom or Hal Cooper who framed FP. I just hope it wasn't Alice bc that feels sorta obvious and I kinda love her.

 

I really love the core 4 on this show (even Archie!) and I really just need them to all team up and solve this murder!!

Also I had no idea Cheryl was checking to see if Polly was breathing! I was wondering what she was doing with that mirror, but that's hilarious.

[dippydee]

I miss FPs scruffy look. Don't get me wrong I liked him trying step up for Jughead even if there was the underlying motive for whatever he's mixed up in but did he really have to shave to do it? 

Archie and Veronica have some nice chemistry so I don't hate that development  (and I love Ronnie's I don't have time for this shit right now attitude when Archie picks the worst moments for trying to talk to her). I just hope this doesn't break up B&V-I'm glad the promo was somewhat misleading and Betty's worry about Archie and Ronnie singing was to do with Jughead and them working for Alice and not jealousy.

1 hour ago, RogerDodger said:

I think my favorite scene of this whole series may be the little throwaway bit of Cheryl casually holding the mirror under Polly's nose to see if she was still breathing.   She has rapidly become my favorite character.

I loved that moment! Cheryl is such a little weirdo. I love her but I still can't figure Cheryl out, I really didn't get her reaction to Archie and Veronica. Why was she so upset? 

This show reminds me of The OC in that the adults are just as interesting (and often more so) than the kids (Julie Cooper Nichol forever!). The Andrews/Hermione dynamic and Alice and FP and their history. There's just so much stuff there for them to explore.

[asabovesobelow]

35 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

I mean I know they are supposed to be like 15/16, so they're supposed to be flaky but it just amuses me.

I know this, I'm aware of this, and yet somehow I always forget this. FIFTEEN!!! There is nothing remotely fifteen about a single one of them.

[wingster55]

He did grab her but he didn't drag her or hold more than 1 second before he got that drink thrown in his face. Assault imo would be if he did drag or even continue to hold on if she said "let go". 

And in rewatching he didn't even grab her. Put his hands in front of her to stop her from leaving...and then got the drink thrown in his face. 

Edited April 28, 2017 by wingster55

[Dee]

He put his hands on her, without consent, and continued to harass her and kept her from leaving, even after she made it abundantly clear she wanted nothing to with him.

[Craphole Island]

1 minute ago, wingster55 said:

He did grab her but he didn't drag her or hold more than 1 second before he got that drink thrown in his face. Assault imo would be if he did drag or even continue to hold on if she said "let go". 

Yeah that scene sort of confused me bc it seemed like Archie drunkenly grabbed her to talk and she immediately threw her drink in his face because she was over him. I never really bought how angry Val was just bc he was "being bought" by the Blossoms (even though she was right). I just felt like she was over the top about it all. And I like her.

Not that anybody should put their hands on somebody but I didn't read the scene that way, personally. 

[WhosThatGirl]

I still prefer Jughead over Archie. 

Also Molly Mom, don't encourage Archie's music please.

Edited April 28, 2017 by WhosThatGirl

[wingster55]

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Not that anybody should put their hands on somebody but I didn't read the scene that way, personally. 

MTE as the kids say. 

Also I love that username Craphole Island. 

Edited April 28, 2017 by wingster55

[SeanC]

7 minutes ago, Dee said:

He put his hands on her, without consent, and continued to harass her and kept her from leaving, even after she made it abundantly clear she wanted nothing to with him.

No, he didn't "continued to harass her and kept her from leaving" at all, as that clip shows.

[Dee]

Archie grabbed Valerie, hence her immediately snatching her wrist away from him, after which he continued to harass and block her from leaving. He had to be hit with a drink for her to get to Melody.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Dee

[ZoloftBlob]

Am I the only 40ish sort having childhood flashbacks as Dylan McKay dances with Molly Ringwald (who I mostly remember as Frannie Goldsmith in The Stand, and that chick in Breakfast Club) while Madchen Amick plots at a school function and Robin Givens overachieves as the mayor?

I swear this show is like watching fanfiction.

I'm really just hoping we get Anthony Michael Hall to play an FBI agent or something :D

I feel I need to *slow clap* - who will join me?

*clap* (insert dramatic pause) *clap*

[Advance35]

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No, he didn't "continued to harass her and kept her from leaving" at all, as that clip shows.

Just roll your eyes and hand wave. Different strokes for different folks.

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I didn't think Hermione was a Mean Girl in high school. I thought she was a nice girl who succumbed to the seduction of a rich dude.

I could go with either interpretation.  Based on casting, I have know trouble at all believing she was seduced. HeeHee.  Since the show began I had credited Hermione as one of the few good parents (though she comes off maybe a little too much as a Peer to Veronica) but now I'm thinking, The Lodges are just an onion that hasn't been peeled yet.  Though to their credit, they raised a daughter who has a STRONG sense of self-worth.

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I just hope this doesn't break up B&V-I'm glad the promo was somewhat misleading and Betty's worry about Archie and Ronnie singing was to do with Jughead and them working for Alice and not jealousy.

I will also be glad if they don't do the triangle.  It's the only silver lining too "Bughead" as far as I'm concerned.  If we do get a triangle I'm hoping for Archie/Veronica/Reggi Mantle (I really would have liked Regi being a rich kid too but I guess that ship has sailed).  Though I think B & V will come to a fork in the road but it probably won't be over Archie, it could be over other loved ones.  

For Betty, Jughead is her family, anyone that does anything against his best interest is public enemy number 1 in her eyes (she's one of THOSE girls), but Veronica wants/needs what Veronica wants/needs and I don't think there is a Jones in Riverdale that matters enough for her to curb her steamroll instincts.   She wanted the truth no matter who was involved and she was willing to work behind the backs of others to get it.  I think this will continue to be a problem for the girls.

I'm not SUPER familiar with the comics but I think Riverdale Veronica Lodge scheming is going to lean more towards, Lucy Ricardo then Machiavelli.  Just enough to make things messy for herself and just about everyone else but rarely enough to do damage.

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I just don't like Jughead and every episode that dislike grows. I know.... very unpopular.

Meh. We are only 11 episodes in.  Give it time.  I am confident we will have enough to form clubs in the future, especially if they continue with the things you pointed out.  But in their favor, I don't feel like Bughead have eaten the show.  Other characters are allowed screen time and I greatly enjoy when we see The Blossoms, Cheryl, Kevin, Veronica and Archie.  Mix them up anyway you want.   We've got intriguing insight into Josie and the career junkie that is her Mother.   Alice is the only interesting Cooper.   I can stomach Bughead as long as everyone else continues to get play.

[Dee]

24 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

I'm really just hoping we get Anthony Michael Hall to play an FBI agent or something :D

There's always Ethel's dad, though I fancast him as Abraham Benrubi.

[dwmckim]

So Mr. Blossom's hair turned white overnight?  As someone watching this show just as much for my love of Archie Comics as my love for Twin Peaks, the TP fanatic in me just jumped up saying "AHA!  A total clue!"  (Or maybe a red herring in the percolator ... or a white herring in a red toupee)

 

Favorite part of the whole episode (besides the Homecoming music) was Jughead's opening narration over shots of The Pussycats rehearsing - on the line "...but certain things, certain traditions never change" i was so expecting the next words to be, "Melody just doesn't have any lines and this will be the only appearance of these girls in the entire episode"

[VCRTracking]

1 hour ago, Dee said:

There's always Ethel's dad, though I fancast him as Abraham Benrubi.

Kubiak From Parker Lewis Can't Lose! That would be great casting.  I know more people know him as Jerry from ER but he'll always be Kubiak. He was also great in Roseanne as young Dan Connor with Sarah Rue as young Roseanne in a flashback Halloween episode.

I don't hate Jughead and it was heartbreaking to see him cry in the trailer, but I get why his angsty loner thing would wear thin for some by now. When Archie was having an affair with Miss Grundy, I liked him as the sane, smart one compared to idiot Archie. I like on shows that we can switch how we feel about characters and back again. Nobody's perfect.

I thought Molly Ringwald was fine. The way she looked was distracting(I haven't seen her in anything in years) but she was okay as a concerned parent. I wonder which "Molly" was she in Riverdale High? Middle class Sixteen Candles, upper class Breakfast Club "princess" or quirky, wrong side of the tracks Pretty in Pink?

Edited April 28, 2017 by VCRTracking

[ZoloftBlob]

Well, shit if we're invoking Parker Lewis Can't Lose, then Corin Nemec needs to be in play as Principal Weatherbee's husband or something.

[Dee]

7 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Kubiak From Parker Lewis Can't Lose!That would be great casting.  I know more people know him as Jerry from ER but he'll always be Kubiak. He was also great in Roseanne as young Dan Connor with Sarah Rue as young Roseanne in a flashback Halloween episode.

When I saw who Riverdale cast as Ethel, they were the exact two actors I hoped would be cast as Ethel's parents, not the least of which because SP is the spitting image of a younger Sara Rue imo.

I'm also hoping for Dustin Nguyen to be cast as Reggie's father at some point in the near future.

[VCRTracking]

1 minute ago, Dee said:

I'm also hoping for Dustin Nguyen to be cast as Reggie's father at some point in the near future.

If he does I hope he has the same hair he had on 21 Jump Street but now it's grey:

[PhoneCop]

2 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Am I the only 40ish sort having childhood flashbacks as Dylan McKay dances with Molly Ringwald (who I mostly remember as Frannie Goldsmith in The Stand, and that chick in Breakfast Club) while Madchen Amick plots at a school function and Robin Givens overachieves as the mayor?

No, especially since they were so weirdly heavy with the New Wave music. Was it three early '80s remakes—"Bette Davis Eyes," "Kids In America," and "Dance Hall Days," I think—plus actual "Blue Monday"? I was hoping they'd break out the Psychedelic Furs when Molly Ringwald entered, but alas.

[dwmckim]

Speaking of New Wave/Archie Comics, i never ever bought that The Archies would sound like the musicians who recorded "Sugar Sugar".  They always struck me as having more of a B-52s sound (Betty & Veronica especially seem like they'd have a Kate/Cindy vibe).  So the closest i'll probably get to hearing that happen was hearing Archie/Veronica cover Kim Wilde.  I'll take it!

[Aymery]

7 hours ago, Dee said:

He put his hands on her, without consent, and continued to harass her and kept her from leaving, even after she made it abundantly clear she wanted nothing to with him.

I didn't see any assault or harassment by Archie. (And I am fairly sure even the most liberal interpretation of the law would come to the same conclusion.)

On the other hand, I thought it was a dick move by Valerie to come to a party at his house and then assault the host by throwing her drink at him. I mean, she rightly pointed out that she was the one who broke up with him since he was a "hot mess" - so why come to his house? To harass and humiliate him? Why not show some common courtesy and stay away? I don't believe she is Jughead's friend so that excuse doesn't fly either.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Aymery

[Dee]

So now it's Valerie's fault? Really?

Just like it was perfectly fine for FP to manhandle a high school kid immediately after FP's delinquent son punched the kid in the face.

[The Crazed Spruce]

Please keep the discussion in this thread to the episode at hand. Any discussion about Archie's actions towards Valerie is best suited for the episode thread in with the incident occurred.

[docmatt]

This was my favorite episode in a while! The interactions between the younger cast made more sense than usual. It felt like there was actual progress toward answering the Jason Blossom murder question. The truly insane characters like Cheryl and Alice were entertainingly crazy instead of silly. Things just seemed to make sense! At least within the anti-logic of Riverdale.

My only two nitpicks are: Molly Ringwald's botox is really distracting, it makes her look more than a little like a muppet stroke victim.  Also until Kevin gets any personality beyond gay, he's merely a boring token.

[Lady Calypso]

I actually thoroughly enjoyed the episode. And I enjoyed Cheryl! This is actually the first episode where I went "Huh. I could actually like you." I've been irritated with the back and forth while the show tried to decided whether or not Cheryl was a good antagonist or a frenemy of the gang, but I feel like they're finally settling with her to be a solid frenemy. Plus, she really has messed up parents. Who drugs a pregnant woman, anyway, and deems it as ok? I'm willing to bet that Cheryl has that ring somewhere in her room, and she'll give it back to Polly. Or she'll keep it for herself. I'm still unsure of the extent of Cheryl and Jason's relationship.

I absolutely adore Archie/Veronica together. They seriously have chemistry and it's the first time I actually wanted to see more Archie on my screen. His excitement over Veronica dragging him into the science lab was hilarious. I really think these two are well suited for each other, and would love to see them stick with their relationship instead of the obligatory Archie/Betty just for drama. Seeing as those two are supposed to be best friends and it's been several episodes since we've seen them interact, I just don't buy it. 

Bughead are also super awesome and so great together. We finally get more of Betty's feelings and I totally buy that she's in love with Jughead. She truly cares for him and I can't blame him for getting upset at her for not telling him about the whole FP situation. He did deserve to know, and that scene of him breaking down in the trailer was well done. I hope it doesn't ruin Betty and Jughead for too long, though. I want to see these two make it.  

I did love the dinner scene between the Coopers and the Jones. I love that Betty brought Hal just to keep her mother in line. And I have some guesses on this fight that Hal/Alice had in high school. 

[Primetimer]

Juggie's dad is the prime suspect for Alice Cooper's suddenly on-and-popping detective agency.

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[Dobian]

I cracked up at Alice hinting at a Dylan/Molly/Eva Longoria Jr. threeway.  Betty looked hot at that dance.  Why no Josie and the Pussycats?  Cheryl was delightfully creepy with Polly.  Jughead would be right not to have anything anymore to do with "those meddling kids", despite what they found.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Dobian

[Chicago Redshirt]

12 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I'm willing to bet that Cheryl has that ring somewhere in her room, and she'll give it back to Polly. Or she'll keep it for herself. I'm still unsure of the extent of Cheryl and Jason's relationship.

I might have made it up in my mind, but I thought we were explicitly shown that Cheryl had the ring still. If so, no bet. :)

[Lady Calypso]

Just now, Chicago Redshirt said:

I might have made it up in my mind, but I thought we were explicitly shown that Cheryl had the ring still. If so, no bet. :)

Oh, probably! If it was during Veronica/Archie's song, then I was probably too busy fast forwarding and rewinding when I spotted snippets of something happening! 

[txhorns79]

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Am I the only 40ish sort having childhood flashbacks as Dylan McKay dances with Molly Ringwald (who I mostly remember as Frannie Goldsmith in The Stand, and that chick in Breakfast Club) while Madchen Amick plots at a school function and Robin Givens overachieves as the mayor?

I have to presume that was partially the point in casting those people.  I loved Molly Ringwald in Sixteen Candles.  She had this ability to look extremely mortified by everything  ("Oh look, she's gotten her boobies!  And they are so perky!") in a way to which I related.  I don't know if her acting has ever really progressed past that point.