Bachelor in Paradise in the Media

[fib]

Reality steve says:

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-Sources have told me Corinne’s publicist has fired her and is no longer representing her.

Is this correct? Is it just the phrasing thats wrong.  Ive heard of publicists "dropping clints" but never firing them.  Ive heard of stars "firing publicists" but never vice versa.

Anyone have any insight?  

[JudyObscure]

Amanda seemed to think this would be a good moment to troll-shame all the mom-shamers and skinny-shamers out there.

http://www.eonline.com/news/860962/amanda-stanton-addresses-mom-shamers-amid-bachelor-in-paradise-scandal

[gigiann]

11 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Amanda seemed to think this would be a good moment to troll-shame all the mom-shamers and skinny-shamers out there.

http://www.eonline.com/news/860962/amanda-stanton-addresses-mom-shamers-amid-bachelor-in-paradise-scandal

Cause she is a narcissist and it is all about her!

[Mabinogia]

Amanda can't possibly be a real human being. There's just no way there is someone that self absorbed and stupid on this earth. I can't tell if she's trying to avert Bachelor Nations attention away from the current scandal (hahahha) or, realizing she lost her free vacation and paycheck (do they get paid, or do they just get a free vacation?) and is desperately trying to get her name back on people's twitter feeds or whatever it is these morons see as their career goals. What she's doing is just making herself look more like the vapid, self absorbed idiot she is. She's not a bad mom because she doesn't spend time with her kids (that's actually probably better for them). She's a bad mom because the example she is setting for her daughters is that skills and talent don't matter, just be pretty and whore yourself to television get what you want.

[RHJunkie]

4 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Corinne released the following statement to TMZ: “I am victim and have spent the last week trying to make sense of what happened on June 4. Although I have little memory of that night, something bad obviously took place, which I understand is why production on the show has now been suspended and a producer on the show has filed a complaint against the production. As a woman, this is my worst nightmare and it has now become my reality. As I pursue the details and facts surrounding that night and the immediate days after, I have retained a group of professionals to ensure that what happened on June 4 comes to light and I can continue my life, including hiring an attorney to obtain justice and seeking therapy to begin dealing with the physical and emotional trauma stemming from that evening.”

Maybe I'm just an insensitive bitch but this statement reeks of damage control for whatever role she played in how the events of the night unfolded - and it especially diverts attention from the fact that she was on a dating reality show, getting drunk and being sexually inappropriate with someone who was also drunk while she had a boyfriend back home. Does this approach seem a little convenient? Yeah it sure as hell does. I just think it's strange that someone would so quickly label themselves a victim and in the next breath admit to not recalling any of the events from the night, and hasn't yet gathered enough information to piece together a sensible timeline of what happened. The way this was put together literally sounds like Corinne and her people are saying this spiel based on the gossip we're all reading and the fact that production was halted therefore it must be true and she must be a victim. Perhaps DeMario should respond with a comment of his own citing therapy for physical and emotional trauma stemmed from a drunk woman shoving her naked crotch in his face. How do you get therapy for something you don't even know yet has happened to you? She's going to decide how she feels about all the things that TMZ is reporting happened to her? I would have respected this statement more if in addition to admitting that she couldn't recall what happened, it seemed as both parties were victims due to the inaction from production...instead, citing physical trauma is suggesting rape and/or molestation. In any normal circumstance, two people getting piss drunk and making bad decisions only make them victims of their own stupidity. The reason why this story is horrible is because sober people witnessed their behaviour and did nothing to stop it. If this type of commentary is going to be released from Corinne's camp, then if the footage can absolve DeMario from the insinuations from such comments, I think there will have to be some sort of public acknowledgment of this because right now, DeMario is getting the big brunt of this while Corinne gets to run around and call herself a victim. 

[Artsda]

Amanda needs to capitalize and get attention since she won't get to be on tv. 

1 hour ago, fib said:

Is this correct? Is it just the phrasing thats wrong.  Ive heard of publicists "dropping clints" but never firing them.

I think it's the same thing. Katherine Heigl was fired from her publicist. Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan.. it doesn't usually mean a good thing about the star when your publicist fires them.

[HappyDancex2]

I'm surprised that Corrine has taken this road.  It seemed like she had a long career in the Bachelor franchise and wouldn't need the money from a settled lawsuit.  She wasn't one of the "D" listers of the franchise, she was front and center villian-ess to extend her fame and opportunity.

As it stands it will likely settle out and she won't get any more play from the marketing machine that is Fleiss and Co.   Other reality shows won't cast her and she'll be spit out the porn industry after filming "My Platinum Vagine."

[LizBug]

More info from CNNMoney ...  http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/13/media/bachelor-in-paradise/index.html

The source with knowledge of the situation told CNNMoney that a male and female contestant were filmed engaging in sexual acts on the first day of production in Sayulita, Mexico. (CNNMoney is choosing not to identify the people involved in the encounter because its unclear if it involves sexual assault.) 

For the next two days production continued. The source said "there was no indication" there had been an incident of alleged sexual misconduct. 

"The next day [the male and female contestants involved in the encounter] were talking and seemed friendly with each other. The only odd part was that producers were not allowing [the female contestant] to drink, and she seemed really frustrated by that," the source said. 

By day three production had been halted. The cast remained on set without the cameras present, and the male and female contestants involved in the incident had "mysteriously" disappeared from the set, the source said.

Especially interesting:  the part where, the next day, "the producers were not allowing the female contestantst to drink and she seemed really frustrated by that."

Edited June 15, 2017 by DallasGypsy
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[LadyHam]

1 hour ago, fib said:

Reality steve says:

Is this correct? Is it just the phrasing thats wrong.  Ive heard of publicists "dropping clints" but never firing them.  Ive heard of stars "firing publicists" but never vice versa.

Anyone have any insight?  

I just think that's Reality Steve's funny little way of saying that her publicist has resigned. I've been reading his columns for years and he has a very sarcastic, snarky way of saying things. The latest is that Corinne has hired a high profile attorney and publicist, so her previous publicist probably wasn't equipped, experienced enough to handle this escalating situation anyway. 

[NeverLate]

1 hour ago, gigiann said:

Cause she is a narcissist and it is all about her!

The sleazy escapades of BIP, brings them all out for an extra 15 minutes. zzzzzzzzz

[McManda]

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Also I have to say it just really made me angry to see so many comments on FB like oh well, not my problem she/he shouldn't have gotten so out of control.   Well that's true they are adults but what about common human decency??  When a person is intoxicated beyond a reasonable point what is wrong with being a decent human and trying to step in and help??  Yes, they should have stayed in control of themselves and not gotten so obliterated but they DID, the behavior already happened, so doing nothing especially if a person can't even stand on their own is pretty shitty to me.  I don't like to get involved in other people's business EVER, but if it was a circumstance where someone was in danger or putting someone else in danger, I would feel obligated to at least TRY and do something.  I don't know.  No one's perfect.

But we don't know if Corinne or DeMario ever were in any sort of danger, except from the one account that doesn't align with any of the others. That makes the claim fishy, to me at least.

There's human decency and then there's letting people make their own decisions. My opinion, but my criteria for getting involved is pretty simple - are they in danger of hurting themselves or someone else (note, this could be a mental or emotional danger, in the case of something like bullying). Fact is, we have no idea how bad either Corinne or DeMario looked or acted. As long as they look decently put together mentally and aren't hurting themselves or others, I'm not going to step in our say anything. It's not my business if they go at it in the pool or on the side of the pool or wherever. If I'm uncomfortable I'll remove myself. They're adults, it's their life. 

The footage they shot holds those answers, not second or third hand accounts of what happened, especially because they seem to vary so widely. If an impartial third party - a judge at this point, I guess - can view that footage and reasonably decide that Corinne and DeMario both look to be engaged and having a good time, drunk or not, then their decisions are on them and I don't think anyone should have been tasked with intervening, even knowing how much either had to drink.

Side note: how come no one is talking about how best friends apparently can become handlers and get a producer credit? Is that normal or was Corinne just special?

Edited June 15, 2017 by McManda

[fib]

10 minutes ago, McManda said:

Side note: how come no one is talking about how best friends apparently can become handlers and get a producer credit? Is that normal or was Corinne just special?

I think its more likely the producer was associated with the show before corinne was and the casting crew either recruited Corinne on Shelbys recommendation or Corinne and Shelby became "besties" during the filing of Nick's season. 

[MsPH]

15 minutes ago, fib said:

I think its more likely the producer was associated with the show before corinne was and the casting crew either recruited Corinne on Shelbys recommendation or Corinne and Shelby became "besties" during the filing of Nick's season. 

I would think they just became friends during Nick's season. Most contestants get close to their handlers because they spend so much time together during the show, it's nothing unusual. I haven't seen any proof of them being besties.

[JoBeth70]

So a second producer has filed a complaint about this event. And neither producer was present for it or has seen the footage? They must be pretty confident in their second-hand sources to be doing such shit-stirring.

http://www.eonline.com/news/861056/second-bachelor-in-paradise-producer-files-complaint-about-alleged-misconduct

[fib]

Interesting version from someone who was allegedly there. Sounds like DeMario may have a good claim for defamation or similar against... i dont know, corinne? Shelby?   Eapecially if there is tape of the whole day available  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604204/Bachelor-Paradise-pal-says-Corinne-came-DeMario.html

[Artsda]

How are these Producers filing things without even being there? 

[truthaboutluv]

20 minutes ago, Artsda said:

How are these Producers filing things without even being there? 

I assume the camera is set up and left running and they go through the footage and edit accordingly after. 

[Armchair Critic]

5 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

Amanda seemed to think this would be a good moment to troll-shame all the mom-shamers and skinny-shamers out there.

"Who are you?" her daughter is wondering who this woman is in the hammock with her.

5 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

http://www.eonline.com/news/860962/amanda-stanton-addresses-mom-shamers-amid-bachelor-in-paradise-scandal

[Alapaki]

7 hours ago, fib said:

Interesting version from someone who was allegedly there. Sounds like DeMario may have a good claim for defamation or similar against... i dont know, corinne? Shelby?   Eapecially if there is tape of the whole day available  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604204/Bachelor-Paradise-pal-says-Corinne-came-DeMario.html

Not a whole lot new there. 

Also, maybe it's a British thing again, but that's odd wording. 

The source is described as DiMario's friend. But wouldn't it have had to be someone associated with the show?  Like a fellow cast member?  Or another crew member?  If so, that would seem to be a more accurate way to describe them. 

Then they toss the racial angle in out of the blue. 

And a lot of mind reading going on there too.

i wonder if this "friend"'s initials are C.H.?

[JudyObscure]

Corrine's best friend, Shelby Adams, a producer on the show, told her that letting DeMario go down on her in public was going to make her look bad

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604204/Bachelor-Paradise-pal-says-Corinne-came-DeMario.html#ixzz4k4ZhHm00

Yes, I keep thinking Shelby Adams created all this.  Her influence is the only explanation I can find for how Corinne went from the girl on Nick's season, proudly taking her top off and telling the world about her platinum vagine, to the girl who is filmed having sex and it's her " worst nightmare."  Corinne had plenty of time after The Bachelor to feel embarrassed about her overt sexuality on that show and instead she and her parents, were quoted saying how proud they were of her performance on the show.  She had to know that if she got her own show it would be to portray that same "sexy and owns it ," character. Look how long that Playboy, "Girl Next Door," spin off lasted?   Shelby Adams just decided, probably wrongly, that this was going to hurt the chances of that future show and decided to try to turn everything around, so Corinne decided to go with the "worst nightmare," story like she was a demure 19 year-old, drunk for the first time  at a frat party.

I don't care what happens to the network, but I hope Demario sues Corinne and her wealthy father for everything they have, because you don't play games with someone else's life like that.
 

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Alapaki said:

Not a whole lot new there. 

Also, maybe it's a British thing again, but that's odd wording. 

The source is described as DiMario's friend. But wouldn't it have had to be someone associated with the show?  Like a fellow cast member?  Or another crew member?  If so, that would seem to be a more accurate way to describe them. 

Then they toss the racial angle in out of the blue. 

And a lot of mind reading going on there too.

i wonder if this "friend"'s initials are C.H.?

The friend wording is strange, I agree. While he can certainly be friends with a fellow cast member or crew, to also say that this source witness the events, it already puts in them in one of those two categories so if the purpose was to create as much anonymity about the source, they didn't really do a good job.

From what I can recall, there was only one story that was being regurgitated regarding Corinne being blacked out, limp and completely unresponsive. Other reports, including this one, do cite sources present that say that both contestants were drunk but responsive and bystanders were recognizing that the hook up was going on. Most of the stories line up with the notion that neither participant was extreme as the initial reports that talked about being blacked out. Just because you don't remember what happened the next day doesn't necessarily mean that you were black out drunk.

Maybe Chris Harrison is being a good foot soldier and trying to do damage control but he has alluded to misinformation and seemed confident about what the findings of the investigation would bring (I interpreted it as him being confident that production, and DeMario by extension would be absolved of the accusations that have come from this incident). Given the stories and the fact that the production filing complaints were not even present or viewed footage of the incident makes  willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the side that can make a statement about the incident without having to hide their identity. Chris Harrison may have been able to view the footage, and I'm just giving him some credit here in thinking that he wouldn't be stupid enough to make public suggestions about the incident if he hadn't at least seen the footage and had some idea of what may have happened that night.

[Artsda]

[Jeanne222]

They knew what they were getting when they got these two.  Now everybody's surprised.  I wonder if the studio took out insurance on them.  Having to send everybody home and losing the season is going to be costly to the network.  I bet they are all insured up the wazoo!

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I don't care what happens to the network, but I hope Demario sues Corinne and her wealthy father for everything they have, because you don't play games with someone else's life like that.

I hope so too.  However, there's a part of me that also wants Corinne to sue the ass off ABC.  They foisted this trainwreck of a woman on us, and knowing what she's like they cast her yet again, so I can't help but say they're getting what they deserve by her turning on them. 

[mostlylurking]

14 hours ago, McManda said:

My opinion, but my criteria for getting involved is pretty simple - are they in danger of hurting themselves or someone else (note, this could be a mental or emotional danger, in the case of something like bullying). 

Yes I agree, that is exactly how I feel too when I say " I don't like to get involved in other people's business EVER, but if it was a circumstance where someone was in danger or putting someone else in danger, I would feel obligated to at least TRY and do something."

You are right we don't have the whole story so maybe it really isn't as bad as it sounds (hopefully).  But what I think is shitty is that in the context of this version of the story where Corinne was stumbling around and DeMario was wasted as well, being that intoxicated near a pool setting is a danger for drowning, hitting one's head on the pavement, etc.  (Some) people are going by this version of events, and are still saying that in this situation they would have done nothing and it is Corinne's and DeMario's own fault.  That is what I think is fucked up.

[backformore]

SO -  I'm speculating here, but I think perhaps Corrine found out she had blown her chance of having a reality show of her own, and THAT is the real reason she's suing. 

I think Corrine's "worst nightmare" was that she was hired to play a part, to be sexually aggressive (because that's who she is), she played it up too far, thinking the more outrageous she was the more likely it would be that her own show was going to happen.   When she was confronted by being TOO over the top, too drunk, too willing to do anything with anybody.  (reports were that she made out with 4 guys that first night), she got pissed because she wasn't going to get what she wanted. 

Did production screw up?  yes, by having her on, by encouraging her in the first place, instead of realizing that she wasn't just an immature spoiled little rich girl, but a mentally unstable woman that could take on the show and win.

[backformore]

3 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Just because you don't remember what happened the next day doesn't necessarily mean that you were black out drunk.

Well, actually, the definition of a "blackout"  is not remembering the next day what happened when you were drunk last night.   Drug/alcohol-related amnesia. 

People get it confused with passing out, which is different.  But people have blackouts due to a high blood alcohol level, they act intoxicated, and may engage in risky behavior, but nobody observing them would say they were in a blackout state - they just seem drunk.   But the next day they don't remember.  

It doesn't mean they had impaired consciousness while drunk, and it also doesn't mean they're not legally responsible for their behaviors.   Plenty of people end up in jail for aggressive acts that they don't recall the next morning.

[blackwing]

I find Corinne's statement interesting... she has no memory of the events but says she understands that "something bad" took place because production shut down.  The events that she has no memory of has become her "worst nightmare" as a woman.  The events that she has no memory of are apparently so traumatic that she needs therapy to deal with the trauma, even though she supposedly has no memory of what happened.  It seems to me.... she got drunk.  He got drunk.  They were both drunk.  Things happened.  Unless the producers pried her mouth open and poured alcohol down her throat, how is it that she doesn't accept that getting voluntarily drunk might  played a role in this?  It's not like she accepted an invitation to attend church camp for three weeks.  She went onto the show knowing that it's a show about pretty people getting drunk and hooking up.  This seems like a statement written by her attorney to disclaim any and all responsibility in an effort to cash in.

17 hours ago, fib said:

Reality steve says:

Is this correct? Is it just the phrasing thats wrong.  Ive heard of publicists "dropping clints" but never firing them.  Ive heard of stars "firing publicists" but never vice versa.

Anyone have any insight?  

To me, "dropping" and "firing" is the same thing.  Doctors and lawyers fire their patients and clients all the time.  A ridiculous patient who makes lots of appointments, but then always cancels at the last minute because "something came up" or just fails to show entirely?  An argumentative patient that screams at the doctor for not telling her what she wants to hear or refusing to give her the prescription meds that she demands?  A client who has unrealistic expectations of the lawyer and screams at the lawyer for not waving a magic wand and making the situation the client created for himself go away?  Yeah... these types of problematic patients/clients get fired.

[backformore]

13 minutes ago, blackwing said:

I find Corinne's statement interesting... she has no memory of the events but says she understands that "something bad" took place because production shut down.  The events that she has no memory of has become her "worst nightmare" as a woman.  The events that she has no memory of are apparently so traumatic that she needs therapy to deal with the trauma, even though she supposedly has no memory of what happened.  It seems to me.... she got drunk.  He got drunk.  They were both drunk.  Things happened

I agree with all of this.  PLUS - Corrine was playing the same part as she did on The Bachelor -  The center of attention, sexy girl.  On that show, she never wanted to "marry"  Nick.  she wanted to seduce him, to have him give her more than her share of attention, to make all the other girls jealous.  She bragged about getting him to hold her boobs, to making out with him.  And this was all enabled by the producers, who had the other women watch while she  acted up.  She wanted , and got, special privileges, like skipping the rose ceremony if she didn't feel up to it, "renting"  a bouncy castle, etc.  She was sexually aggressive, and then had a fake-crying spell when Nick ended up rejecting her advances. 

That is the same character she was playing on BiP, only she had to amp it  up the hyper-drive because it's nearly impossible to have ALL the guys give her ALL the attention.  While I do think production had some responsibility, she lost me when she said it was her "worst nightmare".  I think he worst nightmare is NOT getting her own reality show.

[ShaNaeNae]

17 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

Amanda can't possibly be a real human being. There's just no way there is someone that self absorbed and stupid on this earth. I can't tell if she's trying to avert Bachelor Nations attention away from the current scandal (hahahha) or, realizing she lost her free vacation and paycheck (do they get paid, or do they just get a free vacation?) and is desperately trying to get her name back on people's twitter feeds or whatever it is these morons see as their career goals. What she's doing is just making herself look more like the vapid, self absorbed idiot she is. She's not a bad mom because she doesn't spend time with her kids (that's actually probably better for them). She's a bad mom because the example she is setting for her daughters is that skills and talent don't matter, just be pretty and whore yourself to television get what you want.

I can't with Amanda. At all. She's possibly one of the most stupidest contestants to ever grace this show. And there's a lot of competition for that place. Right before she went on this season and did an interview saying she's going on again, she tries to defend her decision with "well I believe in the process...". Bitch, WHAT PROCESS? You go down to Mexico for 2 weeks with other drunk and horny famewhores and drink and makeout! It's like she's heard other contestants say they believe in this process and thought it would sound smart. I can't even with her baby voice and "like" "like" "like" and "like I'm deep cuz like one time I like went into like Barnes and Nobles instead of like, next door to Target. There were like, books and stuff! It was totally like deep". 

[DEL901]

25 minutes ago, blackwing said:

I find Corinne's statement interesting... she has no memory of the events but says she understands that "something bad" took place because production shut down.  The events that she has no memory of has become her "worst nightmare" as a woman.  The events that she has no memory of are apparently so traumatic that she needs therapy to deal with the trauma, even though she supposedly has no memory of what happened.

That sounds pretty traumatic to me.  You wake up.  Maybe you are hung over.  And then people start telling you things happened...  That's pretty traumatic, maybe even more so because you just don't know.   

"She doesn't remember so it doesn't count" isn't a defense.  Ceelo Green tried to say it was a few years ago (regarding roofies) and he ended up leaving the Voice.

 

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It seems to me.... she got drunk.  He got drunk.  They were both drunk.  Things happened.  Unless the producers pried her mouth open and poured alcohol down her throat, how is it that she doesn't accept that getting voluntarily drunk might  played a role in this?  It's not like she accepted an invitation to attend church camp for three weeks.  She went onto the show knowing that it's a show about pretty people getting drunk and hooking up. 

Getting drunk voluntarily doesn't take away your right to consent (or withdraw consent).  In fact, if she was that drunk, then she had no ability to consent.

The fact that he was drunk too... yes, there's a lot of legal grey space.  Also, not only do we not know all the facts, but we may never because this is unlikely to come to court criminally because it was in Mexico.  And if a civil case is filed, it will likely be settled quietly with a non-disclosure requirements.

[lids]

It just bothers me that we may never know what happened when there is a tape. Why can't somebody just leak the tape to a reputable publication like the Times (not TMZ!) and the public can at least have a semblance of an idea what happened. Not that it's my business, but now I wanna know, lol!

The stories are so divergent; but I think the producer who filed the complaint may have actually believed the passed out version (and never saw footage) so that's why she quit and went to the higher ups.

Corrine was probably told that same story too which freaked her out so production showed her the video of what happened and she was less worried until the whole thing blew up in the news. Then she went to, "We were both too drunk; production took advantage of us" cause what other saving face maneuver did she have?

It's also very possible that Corrine is now going through "second rape" which is when you defend your assault under scrutiny. (I'm not saying she was raped by DeMario.) Victims of sexual assault often say dealing with coming forward is worse than the actual assault itself. So especially if she can't remember, this IS probably her worst nightmare - trying to decide if she really is "a victim" when no one wants that label for life. She is probably also struggling to accept she's a blackout alcoholic, not a fun party girl.

The person who is most interesting in this is the producer. I really believe she was working in HER OWN interests, not Corrine's. Having worked in reality TV, I know we told talent we were their  friends - We were NEVER their friends. All the staying up all night and not having enough food and missing family happens to the staff just like it happens to the talent and staff would blow up and walk off the set all. the. time. So I don't think the producer doing a no show is all that weird. Especially since she was apparently given the "difficult talent" Corrine. It's just curious why she lost it after 1 day of filming. I bet she went to HR thinking they could help her and HR heard the story and knew to protect their brand so they shut everything down. I just don't think the producer intended all this to happen.

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, DEL901 said:

 Ceelo Green tried to say it was a few years ago (regarding roofies) and he ended up leaving the Voice.

Rootie's is different. That is someone else taking away your ability to consent. Corinne took her own ability to consent away by getting herself shit faced drunk. So she is every bit as responsible for what happened to her as anyone else, whether she remembers it or not.

I have been in the unfortunate position of having been roofied once. It is traumatic, the idea of someone taking away your ability to protect/defend yourself. Being at someone else's mercy. I learned a very valuable lesson in never leaving your drink unattended, and never taking drinks from people you don't know.

I have also gotten black out drunk and slept with someone who's name I still don't know to this day. It was more embarrassing than horrifying because I did it to myself. I knew I was getting drunk. I wasn't really thinking about what could happen, but I do not blame the guy for it. He was drinking too, it was at a club, he saw a girl who was interested and made a move. It happens. It is not the "worst thing ever". Corinne must live a VERY sheltered life.

I think she's more upset that her boyfriend was going to find out she cheated and is trying to spin it so she's a victim of the big bad show because she's just a helpless child who can't wipe her own ass let alone keep herself sober enough not to stick her crotch in a man's face.

[lids]

I meant to post this when I saw it on another board, but Lexie, DeMario's ex-girlfriend that he supposedly cheated on, is allegedly actually Lexie, a member of Bad Girls Club. So now when I think about how TPTB said DeMario was recruited, I'm thinking he was recruited from central casting and his storyline was fake. Little did he know how much playing the villain was going to come back to hurt him. 

Lexie's brief BGC shots can be seen at :04 and 3:22.

Edited June 15, 2017 by lids

[RHJunkie]

2 hours ago, backformore said:

Well, actually, the definition of a "blackout"  is not remembering the next day what happened when you were drunk last night.   Drug/alcohol-related amnesia. 

People get it confused with passing out, which is different.  But people have blackouts due to a high blood alcohol level, they act intoxicated, and may engage in risky behavior, but nobody observing them would say they were in a blackout state - they just seem drunk.   But the next day they don't remember.  

It doesn't mean they had impaired consciousness while drunk, and it also doesn't mean they're not legally responsible for their behaviors.   Plenty of people end up in jail for aggressive acts that they don't recall the next morning.

Thank you for clarifying as this is what I was referring to. I used that term specifically because I've seen that term reported in the stories which seem inconsistent with stories which cite eyewitness sources that claim that Corinne was not 'blacked out' and 'limp, unresponsive and passed out on the pavement' as at least one story reports. Not sure if it's intentional sensationalism but it's disturbing that the media wouldn't be move careful with their words when reporting news that carry such serious implications and are putting someone in a position of being viewed as a predator despite the many reports that actually suggest that he was on the receiving end of someone else's sexually aggressive behaviour.

[Stillhoping]

I also think drunken Corinne and drunken DiMario went too far and the cameras rolled...bad. BUT I think her friend Shelby alerted her. ..and because of her boyfriend at home started the complaint..suit whatever

 

This forced the company to shut it down...and then the 2 producers and maybe Corrine had 2nd thoughts but too late...no more show...no future Corinne own show...no more Bach nation....and BF KNOWS

So now she is playing hardball..sue sue sue.

Depending on whats on the tape...outcome is still up in the air

[Stillhoping]

Ugh to Lexie and BGC...thanks for vid.

This show has gotten so fake

I watched every season...often fast forward especially last few shows

The early shows were well to do guys...a good catch...the early season shows had more real women...yes some models and wanna bes but more real. Afterwards a few used the show for self promo but nothing like the internet instagram insanity today

Many of the guys are models...trainers...wanna be musicians.  Or like Nick just want fame

Makes me think more and more that Corinne is just going for money since her so called career is ruined. DiMario was over the top and Lexie seemed like a fake ugly lil troll. Sigh. Oh for days of Trista and Andrew Firestone.

Rachael is bringing class back but who knows what other set ups they have in store for her?

[Alapaki]

There has been a comment made several times that I must take issue with. 

Specifically, that Corrine was the "aggressor" or "initiator", and therefore, by strong implication, that this was all her doing or all her fault.

It's entirely possible for someone to be blitzed out of their mind and still be the one to initiate sexual contact.  The question of who did what first is irrelevant to the question of whether one or both people were impaired. 

(Please note, I'm NOT casting stones at DiMario here, or defending Corrine as a person, just pointing out that these comments are disturbingly close to the old "she asked for it" accusation)

Indeed, I'd argue that if Corrine behaved the way it's been described, that's more consistent with someone NOT being in their right mind than the opposite. And, no, the fact that she bared her breasts in public during Nick's season is a far cry from putting her bare vagina in DiMario's face poolside. 

[ByTor]

 I wonder if Demario would be given so much leeway if HE were as drunk as Corinne supposedly was and HE were the one to stick HIS genitals in HER face.  I assume she'd be the victim in that case too.   The lengths to make Corinne the victim in this case astound me

Edited June 15, 2017 by ByTor

[Alapaki]

I'm not giving Corrine, specifically, leeway 

I'm just saying that "initiating" the contact does not equal "consent" if the person initiating is that impaired  

That fact alone, who initiated, does not address the relevant question. 

That's all I'm saying. 

Look, I think Corrine is a piece of shit based on the way she acted during Nick's season. 

I've never said DiMario is guilty of any sort of crime, because there is evidence that he was impaired too. (I'm not sure that alone would be a legal defense, but we're talking about the Court of Public Opinion here)

I'd be willing to bet there have been LOTS of times on BiP that they served enough alcohol to certain contestants that they did things that would probably count as non-consensual given their degrees of impairment. But this time it blew up in TPTB's faces. And the fact that it was their own Frankenstein's monster at the heart of this is poetic justice.

[JenE4]

13 minutes ago, ByTor said:

The "she asked for it" accusation has to do with "should have worn a longer dress, "shouldn't have been a tease" kind of things. The lengths to make Corinne the victim astound me.  I wonder if Demario would be given so much leeway if HE were as drunk as Corinne supposedly was and HE were the one to stick HIS genitals in HER face.  

Standing ovation because a heart just isn't enough! You are absolutely dead on. Most of us have been pretty wishy-washy, trying to give Corrine the benefit of the doubt. But if HE stuck HIS dick in HER face?!? Damn, the man would be in jail right now and pronounced Guilty by every member of Bachelor Nation without the SLIGHTEST hesitation or doubt. 

[ByTor]

18 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

But if HE stuck HIS dick in HER face?!?

And if she proceeded to perform acts on him, I really, really doubt any "yeah, but just because he initiated it doesn't mean he was able to consent to it" excuses would be tossed around.

[backformore]

Yes - Corrine seems to be saying "Someone should have stopped me from drinking, or should have known I was drunk and forced me to put my clothes back on."

And she has a point.  BUT - Corrine, sweetie, you're not on this show because you have any talent, or that you're gorgeous, intelligent, or interesting.  You're on the show because you were willing to be sexually aggressive in front of other women and TV cameras on The Bachelor, so they hired you to do the same thing.  And you did.

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, Alapaki said:

There has been a comment made several times that I must take issue with. 

Specifically, that Corrine was the "aggressor" or "initiator", and therefore, by strong implication, that this was all her doing or all her fault.

It's entirely possible for someone to be blitzed out of their mind and still be the one to initiate sexual contact.  The question of who did what first is irrelevant to the question of whether one or both people were impaired. 

(Please note, I'm NOT casting stones at DiMario here, or defending Corrine as a person, just pointing out that these comments are disturbingly close to the old "she asked for it" accusation)

Indeed, I'd argue that if Corrine behaved the way it's been described, that's more consistent with someone NOT being in their right mind than the opposite. And, no, the fact that she bared her breasts in public during Nick's season is a far cry from putting her bare vagina in DiMario's face poolside. 

I haven't read through every single comment on here but I can say that every single post on here that I've read that has brought attention to Corinne being reported to be the sexually aggressive party in the incident hasn't said so in the context that it's all her fault. It has been said in the context that especially in the media, the notion of consent is not only required from the female participant. It is required from BOTH parties. We know that both parties were very drunk so to attach the argument of consent when it comes to Corinne only (which implicates DeMario as a predator) yet ignores the fact that Corinne was the sexually aggressive party in the incident is grossly unfair. You should very much take issue with someone who suggests that someone who makes bad decisions deserves to be taken advantage of, but I don't see much issue to take when the commentary is really a reminder to society that men are also victims of physical and sexual abuse and given what we know, if we're going to talk about consent, then as it stands, they are BOTH victims of their own decisions and potentially victims of ill-intended production. 

Also, Corinne's statement that has labelled herself a victim and needing therapy for physical trauma is definitely alluding to something very sinister and disturbing regarding DeMario's behaviour that night and I don't fault anyone for taking issue with Corinne's statement in that regard because she has openly admitted that she doesn't know what happened and she can't remember anything at all. It's foolish and irresponsible of her and her people to release any statement that would suggest guilt toward DeMario as if a drunk man should be held more accountable for giving and receiving consent than a drunk woman is in giving or receiving consent. Not to mention that she's alluded to the notion that her understanding of the situation is based purely on a producer filing a complaint and production being halted. She was filming for two days before production was halted. At no point in any of the recaps that she was given from those around her did she feel alarmed or threatened by what happened but it was a complaint from someone who was reportedly not even at the scene at the time of the incident that has prompted Corinne to feel like a victim. I get the emotional abuse, the physical abuse is too far in my opinion, and the point has largely been that DeMario could say the exact same thing and have a better argument considering he was on the drunk receiving end of Corinne's sexual advances. 

The fact that people have said that they aren't sure if DeMario being drunk is a legitimate legal defense, yet no one is talking about whether Corinne being drunk and shoving her naked crotch in a drunk man's face is a legitimate legal defense for her. Why shouldn't she also be in the conversation when we're talking about potential legal ramifications from the incident? Again, if both parties were impaired and people need to throw stones at who is more at fault, why wouldn't you start the conversation with the person who was the sexual aggressor? If DeMario was the one that shoved his bare genitals in a drunk Corinne's mouth...GAME OVER. 

Edited June 15, 2017 by RHJunkie

[Mabinogia]

4 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

they are BOTH victims of their own decisions

Perfectly said. They are victims of themselves. Hell, no one forced them to be on this morally corrupt show that they had both already been on and therefore understood. I feel like they understand what this show is more than most so they, more than most, should have known that the producers were going to let them go as far as they wanted. For Corinne to pretend these people were supposed to parent her is ridiculous. She gave them exactly what they wanted because she KNEW exactly what they wanted. It blew up in her face.  To say the show took advantage of her is to ignore the fact that she was using the show for her own reasons and put them in a position that cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. A soft core porn is not something production would have wanted. They could never have used the footage.

What is confusing me now is, was anyone there? Or were these cameras that were just set up to catch whatever might happen. If there were people there, why wasn't Corinne's handler there? She is the one who should have stopped Corinne from drinking. She is not just her handler, but also her friend. She is the one, if anyone, who should have told Corinne to slow it down. She's the one who would have known just how much Corinne was drinking since it's her job to follow what Corinne is doing.

There is just so much about this that doesn't add up.

[Wings]

45 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

they are BOTH victims of their own decisions

Yes, they are living the consequences of their actions.   We all do that every day.  It is life.  No one is at fault for something we have chosen to do drunk or sober.  No date rape drug present.  It is unfortunate alcoholic behavior.  Corrine's position of victim, if true, is bull shit.  

[jade.black]

Demario says he lost his job over the accusations: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/bachelor-paradise-contestant-demario-jackson-says-lost-job-200548504.html

So far it sounds like he's the bigger victim in this whole situation. Whether or not he's cleared (and he is ASKING for the tapes to be released to prove him innocent), there will be people who will forever view him as a rapist from here on out. This producer or whoever is responsible for this mess has done permanent damage to his life.

[Wings]

8 minutes ago, jade.black said:

Demario says he lost his job over the accusations: https://www.yahoo.com/tv/bachelor-paradise-contestant-demario-jackson-says-lost-job-200548504.html

So far it sounds like he's the bigger victim in this whole situation. Whether or not he's cleared (and he is ASKING for the tapes to be released to prove him innocent), there will be people who will forever view him as a rapist from here on out. This producer or whoever is responsible for this mess has done permanent damage to his life.

My heart goes out to this man.  He does not deserve this.  

[Jeanne222]

Corinne has Marty Singer as her new attorney.  I'm sure her daddy set her up with that one and I'm just as sure the two of them are 'handling' what she says and who she says it too.  I see lots of money coming to Corrine to make her go away.  She won't care if she is thrown out of the whole Bachelor Nation because she will have money to burn and that always draws new friends.  What a shame. 

Demario is no saint but he sure stepped into $%@# with this one!  The guy doesn't have a chance. 

Edited June 16, 2017 by Jeanne222

[Alapaki]

I hope there is litigation over this, because that's our only chance of getting at the truth.

It's interesting that neither DiMario nor Corrine are directly "blaming" the other.  That could mean different things.  But it's an interesting data point.

It sucks that DiMario is being accused of sexual assault.  But the behavior that he's admitted to, at least according to the people who were quoted in the initial stories as having spoken to him, is true, that conduct by itself would warrant a company canning him.  Especially from a job as an executive recruiter.