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Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

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LilJen

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On 2/6/2024 at 8:33 AM, floridamom said:

Yes, I was glad that they took their children to the dentist....but little Gideon is still sucking his thumb at his age....Evie is also most of the time with her fingers in her mouth too...learning from her brother. Joy already stated a few years ago that the dentist warned them that Gideon already has some damage due to his thumb sucking. Why do his parents not seem to care? His hands are all over everything and then he puts a dirty thumb in his mouth....I don't understand this.

"It's good for their immune system"

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I doubt Joy understands germs and cleanliness.  Her brothers were shown on TV cleaning the cat box with their bare hands. (This was the episode where Michelle stuffed new born kittens in a pitcher with a lid and said she learned to do that at the vet's office where she used to work in high school.  Something about it keeps the kittens warm).

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graefin

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5 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

I doubt Joy understands germs and cleanliness.

This is the person who walks around everywhere (including the dance studio) barefoot? I'd say no. She's definitely not the most naturally intelligent Duggar kid. (Why Austin doesn't stop him from sucking his thumb, I dunno; even his dad recognized a long while back he shouldn't be doing it.)

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crazy8s

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Anyone remember that property Joy and Austin bought wanting to turn it into an RV park or camp?

Zoning for that got denied last year because the community packed the house in the zoning meeting and spoke against it.

In Nov 2023 they sold the property for $165,000.  They bought it for $159,000 maybe a year before that.

the zoning story from last year

https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/elkins-rv-park-proposal-denied-after-neighbors-voiced-concerns/

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Gemma Violet

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Joy's latest video is a Q & A with six of the sisters.  One question was: What are you into or what are your passions.

Jana said she's dabbled in a lot of things, but now she'd like to learn and do more regarding medical stuff.  Maybe she sees Abbie enjoying the nursing profession and wonders what might have been.

 

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CalicoKitty

CalicoKitty

17 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

I hadn't noticed that, so I went back and look.  Yes, you're right--everyone read their own cards except Josie.  

Josie was a micro premie.  She may have some delays.  We have seen her act much younger than her age.  Being the youngest, I'm sure she has been babied.  And I doubt "school" is being taught or of much importance anymore.  Education has never been shown to be of much importance in this family.  She will be courting in 3 or 4 years, so lack of educational skills won't matter too much.  This is just so sad.

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Salacious Kitty

Salacious Kitty

14 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Josie was a micro premie.  She may have some delays.  We have seen her act much younger than her age.  Being the youngest, I'm sure she has been babied.  And I doubt "school" is being taught or of much importance anymore.  Education has never been shown to be of much importance in this family.  She will be courting in 3 or 4 years, so lack of educational skills won't matter too much.  This is just so sad.

I assume dyslexia or a similar LD.

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CalicoKitty

CalicoKitty

25 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I assume dyslexia or a similar LD.

Could be.  I have always felt sorry for her.  Joy was supposed to be her buddy, but Jana got the job because Josie was so ill.  How you could pass off a fragile newborn to a daughter to care for, even it is the oldest daughter, is beyond me.

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Meow Mix

Meow Mix

On 3/8/2024 at 11:20 PM, CalicoKitty said:

Josie was a micro premie.  She may have some delays.  We have seen her act much younger than her age.  Being the youngest, I'm sure she has been babied.  And I doubt "school" is being taught or of much importance anymore.  Education has never been shown to be of much importance in this family.  She will be courting in 3 or 4 years, so lack of educational skills won't matter too much.  This is just so sad.

As if all of this isn't bad enough, she will be expected to homeschool her own children.  When does a situation like this collapse under its own weight?

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dargosmydaddy

dargosmydaddy

None of the other younger girls really read with confidence, either. And they all (including Joy) seemed to have a bit of trouble with understanding a couple of the (fairly straightforward) questions. 

I am always strangely fascinated by Duggar sibling dynamics, so I watched the whole video. Jenni and Jordyn seemed sad/ unenthusiastic (a constant state for Jenni since her toddler years), although Jenni does seem to genuinely enjoy animals and had some life in her when discussing her goal to get some mini cows. Was she the one who said she wanted to be a vet back when she was a little kid? Too bad her lack of education and opportunities will prevent that.

I know everyone thinks Johanna looks like a mini Joy, but I was seeing a lot of Jessa in her facial expressions when she was talking. She was the most enthusiastic in the video. I think she will be another daughter who marries young because she just wants out of the big house. Hopefully she ends up with a halfway decent guy. I was also amused that they still call her "Hansel" (this nickname first came up on the show years ago, and always seemed surprisingly masculine for a Duggar girl).

Josie seemed much younger than the rest, and prone to butting in when she didn't need to. I did feel bad for her when she mentioned Tyler or Michael tearing the head off her doll back in the day before she even got to play with it.

Jana is still over everything. The most animation she showed was her wistful reminiscing about the old house.

I do wonder whether Joy had someone else (non-sister) to keep an eye on her kids while she did the video with her sisters? She said Austin was out of town. Evy wandered in and out now and then, and I realize the video was edited and Joy might have gotten up in between to deal with the kids, but it still seems odd (though on-brand, I suppose) to leave your small children to their own devices while you hang out (and film a 20-minute video) with your sisters.

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GeeGolly

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I was able to make it through about half of Joy's video. What struck me is the younger girls saying "used to" about traditions and such. That leads me to believe the home dynamics certainly have changed. Michelle's at home with the 4 youngest girls and Jana who certainly could help her keep up holiday traditions.

 

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lascuba

lascuba

On 3/8/2024 at 10:15 PM, Gemma Violet said:

Joy's latest video is a Q & A with six of the sisters.  One question was: What are you into or what are your passions.

Jana said she's dabbled in a lot of things, but now she'd like to learn and do more regarding medical stuff.  Maybe she sees Abbie enjoying the nursing profession and wonders what might have been.

 

I'm kind of surprised she would say this. She did EMT training years ago and dropped that.  And then she did the doula thing so she could be Jill's accountability partner, even though it looked like she really didn't enjoy it. I wonder what kind of "medical stuff" she has in mind.

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floridamom

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Surprisingly Jana also stated in the video that she does not like to cook. I bet she doesn't like it much after having to cook for a crowd since she was a young girl. Sadly, my impression of some of these girls is that they don't know how to just have fun and leave the 'bible' things out of it. When Jordan's question was about the best gift she received, she immediately and obediently stated "salvation". Joy half rolled her eyes and said "besides salvation". Jordan knows the script. I also found it strange that all of the unmarried Duggar sisters were under a blanket or sheet while Joy was the only one not under cover. Am I reading too much into this? 

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Tdoc72

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3 hours ago, floridamom said:

Surprisingly Jana also stated in the video that she does not like to cook. I bet she doesn't like it much after having to cook for a crowd since she was a young girl. Sadly, my impression of some of these girls is that they don't know how to just have fun and leave the 'bible' things out of it. When Jordan's question was about the best gift she received, she immediately and obediently stated "salvation". Joy half rolled her eyes and said "besides salvation". Jordan knows the script. I also found it strange that all of the unmarried Duggar sisters were under a blanket or sheet while Joy was the only one not under cover. Am I reading too much into this? 

Maybe they were in pants for sleeping so they left a blanket on so we wouldn’t see?

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ranchgirl

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I felt like Jana and all the younger Duggar girls wanted to do anything except this Q&A with Joy.  I wonder why Joy wanted to do this for her weekly video.  I haven't seen any of these younger girls in so long.  I wish Joy would have let them introduce and talk a little bit about themselves first.  What are they doing these days?  What are their hobbies?  What is their jurisdiction this week/month?  

Listening to how Josie talked about her American Doll was strange to me.  Trash?  Yes, it was sad that her brother and Tyler broke the doll as soon as she got home but odd that she said they filled it with trash.  

It was also sad to have Jana in there with her little sisters.  How old is she now, 32?  And then Hannie is almost 18?  Hannie mentioned wanting to know more about construction but yet never looked or acknowledged Jana's experience in this.  Infact none of the younger Duggars mentioned having watched their older sisters be good at something and that inspired them.  

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CalicoKitty

CalicoKitty

4 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Jana is 35. Hannie is already 18. Jenni will be 17 this year, Jordyn and Josie are 15 and 14. 

JB is slipping on his job.  At least 2 of the girls are old enough to be courting.  Serious question--do you think JB might be having trouble finding husbands for his daughters?  I wonder how many people are keeping their distance from this family now.

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crazy8s

crazy8s

20 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Serious question--do you think JB might be having trouble finding husbands for his daughters?  I wonder how many people are keeping their distance from this family now.

Maybe not so much families keeping their distance. But without a show, how many guys are going to fill out the 30 page survey?? Also no TLC story line urgently needed for someone to be courting, get married, or look like fools on a tlc planned honeymoon episode.

Several of the males have married since the show was cancelled. Females all from solid fundie families.

But Jase and James have seemed to have taken notes from the older Bates guys. No hurry to marry and be tied down with a wife and children . Especially if you can travel to Europe, build a party RV, act like 12yr olds with Elijah, cousin Evan Peters and Noah Robinson. All while working for daddy, eating food in the big house, having your laundry done by your sisters and all.

 

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GeeGolly

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53 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

JB is slipping on his job.  At least 2 of the girls are old enough to be courting.  Serious question--do you think JB might be having trouble finding husbands for his daughters?  I wonder how many people are keeping their distance from this family now.

JB is likely gun shy seeing as the only husband he actually picked was Derick.

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Gemma Violet

Gemma Violet

I just started watching Joy's latest video where they're having an Easter egg hunt.  Joy tells us it's a cold day, in the 40s.  All the adults have big coats on and Evie and Gideon have no coats and Evie has no shoes.  Joy said Evie didn't want to wear shoes.    

And no doubt tomorrow they will be sick.  No wonder those kids always have a runny nose.  

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crazy8s

crazy8s

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1 hour ago, Notabug said:

I'm sure we'll be treated to multiple photos of all the kids posing with big smiles while looking directly into the sun without glasses.  Stupid is as stupid does.

it does seem like the younger duggar kids were shown during the last eclipse doing the cereal box viewer thing.

eta - found a pic

 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

According to Joy's most recent vlog, she is suffering from PPD. She is in therapy and taking anti-depressants. 

I'm glad she is getting real help and not just trying to pray it away. 

How refreshing to hear she's getting some real help. I am surprised though. J&A's antics during the onset of the pandemic would have me guessing they'd be the last of the Duggar 19 to seek mainstream mental health help.

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Lisa418722

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Good for Joy for seeking treatment and being willing to take medication.  Also, I'm guessing Austin is being supportive since she vloged about it.  If he is, I'll say good for him too.  

I always wonder how many of these fundie women end up with PPD, especially after all the back-to-back pregnancies that have.  How many of them are told by preachers to pray it away and getting pregnant again will help the "baby blues" go away? 

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ranchgirl

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I know that she needed Austin's permission to get treatment for her PPD, but I wonder if she had to go before Michelle and Jim Bob too and what they had to say.  

I am glad she is talking about it because she is right, she might could help or encourage another mom to get help.  And if other in her cult are watching, that could be a good thing.  

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Meow Mix

Meow Mix

21 hours ago, ranchgirl said:

I know that she needed Austin's permission to get treatment for her PPD, but I wonder if she had to go before Michelle and Jim Bob too and what they had to say.  

I am glad she is talking about it because she is right, she might could help or encourage another mom to get help.  And if other in her cult are watching, that could be a good thing.  

Good for Joy and Austin for getting her the help she needs.  There is no shame in PPD, your hormones are jumping up and down and you're exhausted from caring for a newborn.  Plus she also has two others to look after.  A lot of people think having kids is easy after the second one and go for a third.  Then they hit the wall.

As for what JB&M think, it's none of their business.  I know the cult says that your parents are over you in authority even after you are a married adult, but it seems that a lot of the second generation are not buying into that.  That's a good step forward even thought I am sure they are still plenty conservative.

One thing I hope is that she doesn't pull a Josie Balka.  Josie made a big post about PPD and got a lot of support and gratitude for talking about it openly.  However,  a couple of weeks later, she shilled some supplement that she claimed cured her. I thought that was really inappropriate to use what can be a serious condition with a lot of stigma associated with it as a basis for a tacky snake oil shill.  

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