Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[satrunrose]

I'm terribly sad that Joy and Austin probably won't understand that a "stick the kid in front of the iPad" homeschooling app is probably never going to be the right choice for Gideon (I mean, I would argue that it's not the right choice for any kid to use exclusively, but Giddy's ld makes it worse). The only good thing about those programs is that they usually have audio to go along with the text, which is really useful for dyslexia, but otherwise I think it's going to hurt him, especially since I share other people's doubts that Joy or Austin will give him support longterm.

[Meow Mix]

I didn't watch the video, but I am curious about what motivated them to get him evaluated.  His issues must have been pretty glaring to get through to them.  Michelle claimed that some of Joy's siblings had learning difficulties which she solved by dumping them on another sibling.  Supposedly this was a better solution because she claimed that a public school would just "label" them.  She had no clue that they could get real help in a school setting.

[Salacious Kitty]

2 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

I didn't watch the video, but I am curious about what motivated them to get him evaluated.  His issues must have been pretty glaring to get through to them.  Michelle claimed that some of Joy's siblings had learning difficulties which she solved by dumping them on another sibling.  Supposedly this was a better solution because she claimed that a public school would just "label" them.  She had no clue that they could get real help in a school setting.

Joy said he was mixing up numbers and letters. She also elaborated that there was dyslexia on both sides of the family and that it's genetic. 

[absnow54]

On 7/30/2023 at 11:58 AM, Meow Mix said:

I didn't watch the video, but I am curious about what motivated them to get him evaluated.  His issues must have been pretty glaring to get through to them. 

It's a grim thought, but I actually think social media/influencing might be these kids' saving grace. Joy needs to generate content, and she knows what type of content gets the most clicks. I don't agree with exploiting their children to generate content, but hopefully some good will come out it, as the kids will have access to services they wouldn't have otherwise explored, had it not been for youtube clicks. 

[libgirl2]

On 6/30/2023 at 9:30 AM, oliviabenson said:

I had a few nightmares featuring Jill Rodrigues! (Shudders)

I had one recently! OMG! 

[Dimi1]

On 7/28/2023 at 5:21 PM, GeeGolly said:

Poor Giddy he has auditory processing disorder and dyslexia? And has terrible allergies and needs glasses. And worse of all he has Joy and Austin - the parents who need to advocate for him and care for him. The parents who couldn't even buy him the correct size of eyeglasses.

my 11 YO Grandson has a type of processing disorder relating to math and social cues/situations...He is very mildly aspergers ...but he has an IQ of 140...and no one knew he had any schooling issues until the end of fifth grade...because he also has an idactic ( I think that is the spelling) and memorized everything...so my daughter had him tested...700$ for that and then counseling every monday through the summer at 200$ an hour....and he goes to a very good private school.---and will have a private math tutor a few times a week after school.....all that to say...poor Gid...He needs much more than tutoring 2x a week. 

[Gemma Violet]

Joy put out her latest video.  She made a big deal about Austin and Gideon going camping along with others, and it turns out Austin didn't take much footage.  So Joy's 12-minute video (whose title is Gideon's Huge Suprise, i.e. camping) contained less than a minute of camping footage.  The conversation afterwards where they discuss it is pretty telling:  Joy pretending not to mind that Austin came back with hardly any footage and Austin sarcastically saying maybe they should do another camping trip so there can be footage: "I thought we'd have to re-do the whole camping trip--everybody go put your dirty clothes back on--we have to do this again."  Another highlight:  Joy getting a $7.00 carwash during the rain because the kids like to go through a carwash.  

Edited August 13, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[Salacious Kitty]

She really shouldn't be putting out a weekly video. There's no there there.

[AstridM]

4 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Joy put out her latest video.  She made a big deal about Austin and Gideon going camping along with others, and it turns out Austin didn't take much footage.  So Joy's 12-minute video (whose title is Gideon's Huge Suprise, i.e. camping) contained less than a minute of camping footage.  The conversation afterwards where they discuss it is pretty telling:  Joy pretending not to mind that Austin came back with hardly any footage and Austin sarcastically saying maybe they should do another camping trip so there can be footage: "I thought we'd have to re-do the whole camping trip--everybody go put your dirty clothes back on--we have to do this again."  Another highlight:  Joy getting a $7.00 carwash during the rain because the kids like to go through a carwash.  

God forbid Austin take his son camping and just concentrate on spending time with him instead of filming everything and exploiting him for cash. Suck it, Joy. 

4 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

She really shouldn't be putting out a weekly video. There's no there there.

[Meow Mix]

19 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

 So Joy's 12-minute video (whose title is Gideon's Huge Suprise, i.e. camping) contained less than a minute of camping footage.  

This pretty much describes most of the Joy's videos I have seen.  It's eons of her talking about things they are going to do or did do while either driving or walking around with her phone and barely any footage of the actual activities she talks about.  And after watching some of her waking around with her phone, I need a dramamine.

[oliviabenson]

Maybe if Austin made enough $ Joy wouldn’t need to post anything on SM. She does it for $.

[AstridM]

4 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

Maybe if Austin made enough $ Joy wouldn’t need to post anything on SM. She does it for $.

Exactly. 

[SunnyBeBe]

I really don’t understand this couple.  Maybe, it’s him being dense.  
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12413001/Joy-Anna-Duggars-husband-Austin-Forsyth-slammed-demeaning-exhausted-mom-three-grilling-pastors-message-church-run-ragged-fussy-newborn.html

 

 

 

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I really don’t understand this couple.  Maybe, it’s him being dense.  
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12413001/Joy-Anna-Duggars-husband-Austin-Forsyth-slammed-demeaning-exhausted-mom-three-grilling-pastors-message-church-run-ragged-fussy-newborn.html

 

 

 

Austin seems to underestimate how tiring it is to be in charge of 3 kids 5 and under. The way he treated Joy when he grilled her about the pastor's message was demeaning. 

[xwordfanatik]

Austin strikes me as a very rigid, controlling dick.  PS:  I hate his scuzzy beard!

[sagittarius sue]

Lately Austin has increasingly shown a smug, mean-spirited manner towards Joy, and that's on video!  He might be even worse away from what is filmed.  I feel sorry for her, but I doubt that she'll ever do anything about it.

[awaken]

I can’t understand why she’d post herself being demeaned and made to look stupid. You’d think she’d keep that video to herself and post something that furthers the narrative of their godly marriage. 

[Salacious Kitty]

She must have been really desperate for footage. As I said before, she has no business putting out a weekly vlog. 

[GeeGolly]

Maybe Austin is a dick with money too, so Joy does the videos to have her own.

Or... I didn't see the video, but maybe Joy doesn't realize Austin is treating her poorly.

[BetyBee]

5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Or... I didn't see the video, but maybe Joy doesn't realize Austin is treating her poorly.

I didn't see it either, but I think this is quite likely.

[graybrown bird]

Also, if a baby is hungry you feed it!   Put down the camera!  I hope they are not trying to "discipline" the infant.

[Minivanessa]

2 hours ago, graybrown bird said:

 I hope they are not trying to "discipline" the infant.

I would like to think so, but I really don't have hopes in that direction. Austin - who I've always thought was likely to be a controlling arse in his home - has been known to speak up in favor of the Pearls. IIRC his parents followed the Pearls' philosophy of "training up a child" and may also know them.

I assume that all the grandchildren of JB and Meech are being "trained up" using those methods (blanket training, beating even tiny children) except the Vuolos' and the Dillards' kids. Nobody else has left the IBLP fold, and those methods seem to be part and parcel of bringing up broken spirits under their umbrella of authority. I think they've all gotten more canny (or to use Jessa's admiring term, "sly") about keeping that stuff on the downlow and out of public circulation. 

[BetyBee]

19 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I would like to think so, but I really don't have hopes in that direction. Austin - who I've always thought was likely to be a controlling arse in his home - has been known to speak up in favor of the Pearls. IIRC his parents followed the Pearls' philosophy of "training up a child" and may also know them.

I assume that all the grandchildren of JB and Meech are being "trained up" using those methods (blanket training, beating even tiny children) except the Vuolos' and the Dillards' kids. Nobody else has left the IBLP fold, and those methods seem to be part and parcel of bringing up broken spirits under their umbrella of authority. I think they've all gotten more canny (or to use Jessa's admiring term, "sly") about keeping that stuff on the downlow and out of public circulation. 

Yes, they all talk about children being blessings, when they really mean blessings in the sense of increasing "God's army" and they surely have no compunctions about beating infants and children. They likely practiced Pearl methods on their own siblings.

ETA: Since this generation relies on influencing to support themselves, they are unlikely to film anything as unpopular as infant beating. That wouldn't attract sponsors. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by BetyBee

[GeeGolly]

I can't find it, but I believe Austin said he was pro blanket training. And lets hope Jill and Derick have moved beyond swaddle punishing, blanket training and instant obedience.

[Jynnan tonnix]

17 hours ago, awaken said:

I can’t understand why she’d post herself being demeaned and made to look stupid. You’d think she’d keep that video to herself and post something that furthers the narrative of their godly marriage. 

Unfortunately, I think these moments are seen as reaffirming their views that women are nothing without their headships. Of course, it's just natural that a woman would not be able to understand and remember the details of a sermon without a man to help her. They probably just love keeping track of all the cute instances where the woman has to admit that she just isn't as smart as her headship, and the women have to learn that it's just their place to demonstrate how much of a mess things would be if they tried to rely on their own brains and understanding. It's a circular practice of repetition until they are 100% convinced that that is the way of the world.

[Salacious Kitty]

That Joy continues to film these moments makes me think that these are probably nearly daily occurrences for them. It's sad that she doesn't see anything wrong with the dynamics. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[AstridM]

18 hours ago, awaken said:

I can’t understand why she’d post herself being demeaned and made to look stupid. You’d think she’d keep that video to herself and post something that furthers the narrative of their godly marriage. 

Does she even understand that he was demeaning her? This is Joy, after all. 

15 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Maybe Austin is a dick with money too, so Joy does the videos to have her own.

Or... I didn't see the video, but maybe Joy doesn't realize Austin is treating her poorly.

I doubt Austin lets her keep “her” earnings separate. He’s her headship, after all 🤮.

[satrunrose]

I keep hoping that the fact that we see Jesse and Joy's kids running wild means that they haven't been to terribly abused/blanket trained, but I realize that's probably wishful thinking (see Howlers). 

[awaken]

12 hours ago, Jeeves said:

I would like to think so, but I really don't have hopes in that direction. Austin - who I've always thought was likely to be a controlling arse in his home - has been known to speak up in favor of the Pearls. IIRC his parents followed the Pearls' philosophy of "training up a child" and may also know them.

I assume that all the grandchildren of JB and Meech are being "trained up" using those methods (blanket training, beating even tiny children) except the Vuolos' and the Dillards' kids. Nobody else has left the IBLP fold, and those methods seem to be part and parcel of bringing up broken spirits under their umbrella of authority. I think they've all gotten more canny (or to use Jessa's admiring term, "sly") about keeping that stuff on the downlow and out of public circulation. 

Well, she did block me for simply asking if they follow the pearls’ methods. 

[Gemma Violet]

Joy did another video:  golfing (must be copying Jinger), church, a trip to Silver Dollar City in the RV, everyone getting sunburned, and Gunner getting weighed.  He's a cutie-patootie chunk, weighing nearly 17 lbs.  Joy said he weighed 13 lbs a month ago.

[Salacious Kitty]

15 minutes ago, awaken said:

Well, she did block me for simply asking if they follow the pearls’ methods. 

Who blocked you? Joy?

[Meow Mix]

To be fair to Joy, I've had the misfortune to sit through a few fundie sermons.  Honestly, I couldn't tell you what the sermons were about because they were nothing but word salad.  JereME's sermons come to mind.

[Salacious Kitty]

3 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

To be fair to Joy, I've had the misfortune to sit through a few fundie sermons.  Honestly, I couldn't tell you what the sermons were about because they were nothing but word salad.  JereME's sermons come to mind.

She kind of opened herself up for Austin's criticism when she said it was such a great message. He asked her what the message was, and it went downhill from there. 

[Madtown]

Austin has given me the creeps since day 1. I always cringe when Joy films him because I honestly think he hates when she puts him in her videos. I always think that she got ripped a new one from him after she turns off the phone.

On that note, I don't feel sorry for her, Anna or any of these women. They stick with these controling men and continue to have babies with them because they don't know anything else. I know that not all these marriages are "bad" so to speak, but sadly, none of the women will ever get out.

[Salacious Kitty]

Austin is completely devoid of humor, even dry humor. I don't see how Joy has missed this, especially being in the household of prankster and goofy dad JB Duggar. JB's pranks weren't funny to me, but other people seemed to think they were, probably including most of his kids. 

Austin seems to be the polar opposite.

Edited August 19, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[AstridM]

5 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Austin is completely devoid of humor, even dry humor. I don't see how Joy has missed this, especially being in the household of prankster and goofy dad JB Duggar. JB's pranks weren't funny to me, but other people seemed to think they were, probably including most of his kids. 

Austin seems to be the polar opposite.

It takes some higher intelligence to recognize dry humor, in my experience. And this is Joy. 

[Salacious Kitty]

Well, if Austin posseses dry humor, he's awfully good at hiding it. You rarely see Joy laughing. Everything seems to be such a struggle for her. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[BetyBee]

I wonder if Austin blames Joy for Giddy's allergies, need for glasses and learning disabilities? He seems like the type to lay a guilt trip on her while also treating her like the village idiot 😢

[SunnyBeBe]

I can’t forget the early show about him taking her on a rugged outdoor adventure when she was pregnant….and expecting way too much.  And, living in stark surroundings in a trailer. Nothing wrong with a trailer, but the conditions seemed challenging.   She seemed thrilled to grin and bear it.  Still that way?…

[Salacious Kitty]

Remember when she cut her hair? It was still long, just not waist length. She loved it. 

Austin came home from a trip and basically shot her down. She was crushed. When asked if he liked her hair, he replied, "I don't hate it." 

What an asshole. Pay your wife the compliment that she's looking for.

[sagittarius sue]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

I wonder if Austin blames Joy for Giddy's allergies, need for glasses and learning disabilities? He seems like the type to lay a guilt trip on her while also treating her like the village idiot 😢

I was wondering over on Jill's topic about who was the midwife with Gideon's birth.  I wondered if that difficult birth might possibly be the cause of his difficulties.

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I was wondering over on Jill's topic about who was the midwife with Gideon's birth.  I wondered if that difficult birth might possibly be the cause of his difficulties.

I dunno. Jill was in labor for supposedly 50 hours with Israel before heading to the hospital due to apparently being both breech AND transverse. He seems to have turned out okay. 

[xwordfanatik]

Austin is surly and a lot like what we've seen of his dad.  I think Joy goes along to get along with him.  Poor little kids are going to be criticized for every nitpicking thing (according to Austin.)  These fundie men think they are all that and a bag of chips.  I'd go bonkers.

[sixlets]

It's probably safe to say Joy's maybe not the brightest bulb in the box and is naive to what Austin is doing.  But, he knows exactly what he's doing and seemingly has no issue with it, which is disgusting.  He's preying on her naivete and upbringing, and it's not a good look.  Oh, and someone needs to shave that scuzzy beard off his smug mug and take some of his ego with it.  

[awaken]

On 8/19/2023 at 12:36 AM, Salacious Kitty said:

Who blocked you? Joy?

Yes

[Salacious Kitty]

Damn, I didn't realize she blocked people. I guess that's a YES to your question about the Pearls. 

[Meow Mix]

I still remember the episode where he proposed.  He wanted to surprise her with a dinner outside in the woods, but blindfolded her to get her there.  After blindfolding her he asked if she trusted him.  It was seriously creepy.  I always wondered if he understood how weird that came across since some conservative homeschooled people can really miss social cues.

[Natalie68]

16 hours ago, sixlets said:

It's probably safe to say Joy's maybe not the brightest bulb in the box and is naive to what Austin is doing.  But, he knows exactly what he's doing and seemingly has no issue with it, which is disgusting.  He's preying on her naivete and upbringing, and it's not a good look.  Oh, and someone needs to shave that scuzzy beard off his smug mug and take some of his ego with it.  

Frankly, I would like to see the IQ of the whole kit and kaboodle.

16 hours ago, sixlets said:

It's probably safe to say Joy's maybe not the brightest bulb in the box and is naive to what Austin is doing.  But, he knows exactly what he's doing and seemingly has no issue with it, which is disgusting.  He's preying on her naivete and upbringing, and it's not a good look.  Oh, and someone needs to shave that scuzzy beard off his smug mug and take some of his ego with it.  

https://nypost.com/2015/05/04/science-proves-that-beards-contain-fecal-matter/

[SunnyBeBe]

I know quite a few young guys who have scuzzy beards right now, including  my nephew.  I’ve been told it’s trendy.  🤨

[Stevie Nicks]

19 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Austin is surly and a lot like what we've seen of his dad.  I think Joy goes along to get along with him.  Poor little kids are going to be criticized for every nitpicking thing (according to Austin.)  These fundie men think they are all that and a bag of chips.  I'd go bonkers.

I'd go homicidal. (Yes, I'm kidding)