Unpopular Opinions Thread

[Barlowe]

On 2017-03-19 at 2:01 AM, hippielamb said:

I have cried once with this show, and that was when William died. The PR that you will cry every episode is ridiculous. 

Honestly, I thought Rebecca overreacted after the attempted kiss. He apologized. It could have been an awkward moment but she made it into a big deal. Though I think her insecurity about singing again led to think he only wanted her in the band for romantic reasons. 

Randall is my favourite but I agree it's uneven. The scene where he made a big deal about quitting his job was too much. It was nice to see him incorporate some of William's thinking into his life but geesh I was rolling my eyes at his little speech. 

 

It wasn't an overraction in my opinion. SHe was vulnerable and he took advantage of that by comforting her and going in for a kiss when he knew she was somewhathappily married and just looking for assurance of her performing talents. And what probably stung more was that the only reason he picked her and kept her around was becasue he wanted to find her at a weak moment or was hoping she'd date him either while still married or divorced from Jack, not because he actually considered her a competant band member.

[HeyThere83]

WHY is the fire being considered a twist? I wouldn't consider that one.

[laurakaye]

During the Toby/Kevin confrontation outside of the restaurant, Toby said that Kate was going to be his wife.  Did I miss them getting engaged?  Kevin didn't really react with surprise, so I feel like Toby and Kate are indeed already engaged.  When did that happen?  I haven't missed an episode.

Also, I wanted to mention the variety of theories about how Jack died in the Season 2 Episode 1 thread.  It seems we have been bombarded with clues, and some posters have done a fantastic job of picking apart these clues.  I don't mean to belittle those people in any way - some have really gone in-depth with what they think is going to happen to Jack.  But I have to agree with the poster that said something about the script being ripped up into confetti and the scenes being all over the place, with no logical timeline.  Are we watching a family drama or a complicated mystery?  Yes, it can be both, but right now I feel like the producers are juggling about 429 clues in the air and dropping them on us at random times.  Lingering shot on Kevin's cast - CLUE.  Mystery girl sitting next to teen-age Randall - CLUE.  Items in a plastic bag on the passenger seat of Rebecca's car - CLUE.  But without some kind of concrete ideas about who these people are, the clues don't matter one bit to me...and that's due to things like not knowing if Kate and Toby are engaged, or why Rebecca's tour of last season was changed from two months to two weeks, or wondering what Kate is doing for money now that she's not working and suddenly wants to sing.  

Am I the only one who feels like these characters are mostly made of cardboard?  I do not get a sense of who any of them are yet.

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

Did I miss them getting engaged?

Apparently.  They got engaged while he was in the hospital after his heart attack or whatever it was.

[OtterMommy]

1 hour ago, Katy M said:

Apparently.  They got engaged while he was in the hospital after his heart attack or whatever it was.

Yeah, the proposal wasn't much of one (don't take anything someone heading into surgery says seriously!), but apparently it was legit enough for both of them.

[Portia]

Ron Howard is likeable as he can be, but he's a terrible actor and should stick to purely comic roles (like his narration on Arrested Development) where he doesn't distract from the story.

[Wings]

6 hours ago, laurakaye said:

During the Toby/Kevin confrontation outside of the restaurant, Toby said that Kate was going to be his wife.  Did I miss them getting engaged?  Kevin didn't really react with surprise, so I feel like Toby and Kate are indeed already engaged.  When did that happen?  I haven't missed an episode.

Also, I wanted to mention the variety of theories about how Jack died in the Season 2 Episode 1 thread.  It seems we have been bombarded with clues, and some posters have done a fantastic job of picking apart these clues.  I don't mean to belittle those people in any way - some have really gone in-depth with what they think is going to happen to Jack.  But I have to agree with the poster that said something about the script being ripped up into confetti and the scenes being all over the place, with no logical timeline.  Are we watching a family drama or a complicated mystery?  Yes, it can be both, but right now I feel like the producers are juggling about 429 clues in the air and dropping them on us at random times.  Lingering shot on Kevin's cast - CLUE.  Mystery girl sitting next to teen-age Randall - CLUE.  Items in a plastic bag on the passenger seat of Rebecca's car - CLUE.  But without some kind of concrete ideas about who these people are, the clues don't matter one bit to me...and that's due to things like not knowing if Kate and Toby are engaged, or why Rebecca's tour of last season was changed from two months to two weeks, or wondering what Kate is doing for money now that she's not working and suddenly wants to sing.  

Am I the only one who feels like these characters are mostly made of cardboard?  I do not get a sense of who any of them are yet.

I attended a play that was a murder mystery.  The audience voted on who they thought did it, by ballot, at the end of act 1.  The character who received the most votes would be the murderer and the play finished with that outcome.  It could be different every night, theoretically.  Reading your post made me think of this.  I don't think all the clues are related to Jack's death.  They are setting up future plot lines.  

When someone dies they don't go away!  William showed up again and I really wanted him gone.  I hated that maudlin overly worked (tortured) plot line.   It ate up season one.  Keep Jack alive in their memories (flash backs), of course it makes sense.  William does not make sense for the long haul. 

[Guest]

The way Fogelman has sworn to always keep the show about the entire season 1 cast including Toby and William makes me suspect he thinks the show's instant success was due to the cast and characters alone, and that he has no faith in his writers or ideas.  

[Wings]

5 minutes ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

The way Fogelman has sworn to always keep the show about the entire season 1 cast including Toby and William makes me suspect he thinks the show's instant success was due to the cast and characters alone, and that he has no faith in his writers or ideas.  

Ahhhhhh, that is why William was there.  

[methodwriter85]

4 hours ago, wings707 said:

I attended a play that was a murder mystery.  The audience voted on who they thought did it, by ballot, at the end of act 1.  The character who received the most votes would be the murderer and the play finished with that outcome.  It could be different every night, theoretically.  Reading your post made me think of this.  I don't think all the clues are related to Jack's death.  They are setting up future plot lines.  

When someone dies they don't go away!  William showed up again and I really wanted him gone.  I hated that maudlin overly worked (tortured) plot line.   It ate up season one.  Keep Jack alive in their memories (flash backs), of course it makes sense.  William does not make sense for the long haul. 

He only lived with them for a few months, and I'm honestly not interested in seeing his life before he reunites with his son in greater detail.

[Wings]

44 minutes ago, methodwriter85 said:

He only lived with them for a few months, and I'm honestly not interested in seeing his life before he reunites with his son in greater detail.

I sooo agree!  lol

[MsJamieDornan]

On ‎9‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 6:07 PM, Lilacly said:

I have cried once with this show, and that was when William died. The PR that you will cry every episode is ridiculous.

That is the only time I cried also.

[BlancheDevoreaux]

13 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

He only lived with them for a few months, and I'm honestly not interested in seeing his life before he reunites with his son in greater detail.

I'm right there with you.  I liked the character well enough but I'm not interested in much pre-Randall stuff.  Further, I loved them focusing on Randall last season and find Sterling K. Brown to be an excellent actor, but I'd like to see them focus on a different character this season.  Give someone else a chance to show his or her acting chops and take a run at an Emmy.  Personally, I'm hoping for a lot on Kevin.

[Katy M]

14 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

I liked the character well enough but I'm not interested in much pre-Randall stuff.

I agree.  I think we got enough Pre-Randall with that one episode, Memphis.  I think the episode was amazing and I loved that we did find out the course of Randall's life.  But, I think we found out all we need to know about a dead character.  Hopefully we won't find out that Randall has a half-brother out there.

[Lady Calypso]

So, I thought of a UO that I don't think I've mentioned before: I think they're doing a piss poor job at the sibling interactions. Two of them barely share screen time, let alone all three. Besides the pilot, which had the best sibling scene on the show by far, and the cabin episode (which shoehorned in Kevin's dumb friends and awful ex girlfriend), they seem to be more obsessed with Rebecca/Jack, Randall, or Toby/Kate. They've barely dived into Kevin as a character, let along his relationships with his family, and Kevin/Kate are talked about being close, but it's very rare to see it unfold onscreen. Kevin's seen more with his three love interests last season. 

I like Randall's growth last season, and that's what I want for Kevin or Kate this season. Preferably both, though, but they don't seem to be touching much on them as characters. 

Would it kill the show to have more Big Three scenes? Randall's almost on a different show, and they don't seem to know what they want to do with Kevin at all. Kate has her arc of becoming some famous singer while also having her relationship drama with Toby. 

[BlancheDevoreaux]

Has anyone expressed the opinion that Rebecca's clear favoritism of Randall is terrible?  I get that they are going for the whole angle that it doesn't matter if they child is adopted or biologically yours to a parent, but it is blatantly obvious that she favors Randall over Kevin and Kate, both when they were children and now.

[Katy M]

11 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Would it kill the show to have more Big Three scenes? Randall's almost on a different show, and they don't seem to know what they want to do with Kevin at all. Kate has her arc of becoming some famous singer while also having her relationship drama with Toby. 

I thought they were going to correct that when Kevin moved to NY for the play and then Kate followed him out to be his assistant.  But, nope, they sent the two of them back to LA.  I mean, it's actually pretty realistic for siblings who weren't particulary close as children and now live on opposite ends of the country not to talk to each other all that often.  But, realistic does not always mean better TV.

[Blakeston]

1 hour ago, Katy M said:

I agree.  I think we got enough Pre-Randall with that one episode, Memphis.  I think the episode was amazing and I loved that we did find out the course of Randall's life.  But, I think we found out all we need to know about a dead character.  Hopefully we won't find out that Randall has a half-brother out there.

I fully expect that eventually we're going to get all sorts of flashbacks involving Randall's dead mother.

4 minutes ago, BlancheDevoreaux said:

Has anyone expressed the opinion that Rebecca's clear favoritism of Randall is terrible?  I get that they are going for the whole angle that it doesn't matter if they child is adopted or biologically yours to a parent, but it is blatantly obvious that she favors Randall over Kevin and Kate, both when they were children and now.

I feel like they can't give us a flashback of the family that doesn't hit us over the head with "Look at how blatantly Rebecca favors Randall! Look at how blatantly Jack favors Kate! Do you get it? Do you get it?"

[OtterMommy]

32 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, I thought of a UO that I don't think I've mentioned before: I think they're doing a piss poor job at the sibling interactions. Two of them barely share screen time, let alone all three. Besides the pilot, which had the best sibling scene on the show by far, and the cabin episode (which shoehorned in Kevin's dumb friends and awful ex girlfriend), they seem to be more obsessed with Rebecca/Jack, Randall, or Toby/Kate. They've barely dived into Kevin as a character, let along his relationships with his family, and Kevin/Kate are talked about being close, but it's very rare to see it unfold onscreen. Kevin's seen more with his three love interests last season. 

I like Randall's growth last season, and that's what I want for Kevin or Kate this season. Preferably both, though, but they don't seem to be touching much on them as characters. 

Would it kill the show to have more Big Three scenes? Randall's almost on a different show, and they don't seem to know what they want to do with Kevin at all. Kate has her arc of becoming some famous singer while also having her relationship drama with Toby. 

We speak the same language.  My favorite scene in this entire show, so far, was the one of Randall, Kate, and Kevin in the hospital waiting room while Toby was in surgery.  It's really not a big scene, but it is the one that has stuck with me.

I think the Kevin/Kate relationship is actually hampering the Kevin/Kate/Randall relationship, which is too bad.  I get it, 3 is a hard number and one feels left out--so explore that!  Don't just separate the odd man out from the others by 3000 miles (oh yeah, I'm not a fan of the bicoastal nature of the show either).  I'm far more interested in seeing the THREE siblings interact than I am about Randall and his feelings about his dead dads, Kevin and his supposed soul mate, or Kate and her lacking vocal skills.

[laurakaye]

6 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Would it kill the show to have more Big Three scenes? Randall's almost on a different show, and they don't seem to know what they want to do with Kevin at all. Kate has her arc of becoming some famous singer while also having her relationship drama with Toby. 

++++1.  This was the hook in the first episode - hey, there's three people celebrating a birthday on the same day and we find out that they're siblings!  And one was adopted!  But they share a birthday, so how does that work?  That storyline could be so interesting, and instead we get Saint Jack, Put-Upon Rebecca, a death that has already run its course with no solution, and little to no sibling interaction from the three.  It's like Fogelman forgot what his pilot episode was about and went off on so many tangents, it's hard to not only keep them straight, but keep from eye-rolling through another forced soliloquy to keep the feelz going.

[leighdear]

Oh good lord, could Kate have "Electra Complex" tattooed across her forehead even more obviously?  Competition with mommy to get the love of daddy usually ends at about the age of 7.  But Mandy-mom is just screwed no matter what she does. 

I cannot stand Kate.  I'm at hate-level Beth here (on the BlancheDevoreaux scale).  She has not one ounce of grace, compassion or awareness.  And her delusional "fiancee" Toby makes my skin crawl.  

And I think she's a shitty singer!

So Jack boxing for an hour is suddenly cured of alcoholism?  I wonder if Betty Ford ever asked him for advice with her clinic.  She would have been a real success.  /sarcasm

Edited October 4, 2017 by leighdear

[Wings]

Randall and Beth are sure to adopt a very damaged kid.  Think of all the plot options!  Oh my!  I don't like either of them.  

Edited October 4, 2017 by wings707

[luna1122]

I'm disliking Kate more and more too. But I did think she sang 'Landslide' nicely.

Yeah, the Jack punching out his demons thing was a little facile, but then again, it clearly didn't actually work. Not everyone DOES go to AA, I do know a couple people who just managed to stop drinking on their own. But Jack isn't one of them, obviously, as we saw him going to a meeting in the later years.

[laurakaye]

I may have overstepped some limits in the episode thread when I mentioned that I wondered if something weird had been going on between Jack and younger Kate, based on the hand-cupping scene where Jack tells Kate he's an alcoholic.  I really hope I didn't offend anyone.  It was just an observation based on the smattering of information the show is slowing spoon-feeding us.  

I don't think that's the path the show is going down...I actually think fans would leave in droves if it did.  However, I feel like in these past two episodes, we've been given strange little snippets of weirdness.  The hand-cupping from young/teenage Kate to Jack.  Toby asking if Kate might like to sit on Kevin's lap.  Kevin saying that Randall was going to "make his move" on Rebecca.  Kate's weight problem and her seething disdain for her mother.  Kevin clearly not liking Miguel to the point of being rude (also from last season).

 I mean, these could all be innocent (if weird) things that signify nothing, or things that will be explained soon.  But why put it out there in that way?  What is the point of Toby being that nasty to Kate and Kevin, and how did Kevin not punch Toby's lights out after saying that?  Or at least do a double-take, as in "what did you just say?"  Why did Kevin word the Randall thing like that - a more "normal" way to think about it would've been, "there goes Randall, being Mommy's Favorite again" or something like that.  

The language, for me, is kind of a red warning.  Either that or just a red herring.  And also frustrating.  The above examples take me right out of the show because I cannot figure out if there's subtext there, or just sloppy writing.

[Guest]

I think it's sloppy writing.  I sometimes feel like there is a writer or two with good core ideas for the characters but the ones who pen the actual dialog maybe never had siblings.  Or parents.  

I like the idea that Kate's been living in her mom's shadow, but the execution is painful.  Same for all the conflicts, really.  

The only scene I kind of liked this ep was the Beth and Kevin one.  Probably because it (for once) made Kevin look bright and Beth look stupid.  

[Wings]

10 minutes ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

I think it's sloppy writing.  I sometimes feel like there is a writer or two with good core ideas for the characters but the ones who pen the actual dialog maybe never had siblings.  Or parents.  

I like the idea that Kate's been living in her mom's shadow, but the execution is painful.  Same for all the conflicts, really.  

The only scene I kind of liked this ep was the Beth and Kevin one.  Probably because it (for once) made Kevin look bright and Beth look stupid.  

I agree.  Just bad writing and shaky concepts, as well. 

Kate cupping her dad's face is probably her just mimicking what he has always done with her when she is upset.  I don't remember seeing that but I could have missed it.  

I hope Kevin gets a turn for a juicy plot line that shows him in a positive light.  I want to see him shine above his siblings because I hate them.   That is not going to happen because this show is all about angst and turmoil.  People's lives are not, usually, riddled with strife on a daily basis!  We, and I speak for the entire population, have good days too, for fuck sake.  

Edited October 5, 2017 by wings707

[OtterMommy]

2 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I don't think that's the path the show is going down...I actually think fans would leave in droves if it did.  However, I feel like in these past two episodes, we've been given strange little snippets of weirdness.  The hand-cupping from young/teenage Kate to Jack.  Toby asking if Kate might like to sit on Kevin's lap.  Kevin saying that Randall was going to "make his move" on Rebecca.  Kate's weight problem and her seething disdain for her mother.  Kevin clearly not liking Miguel to the point of being rude (also from last season).

I have no excuse for Toby (really, does anyone?) but as far as the "weirdness" of the Big Three, that may be in part to Jack's alcoholism.  Exhibiting a lack of boundaries is actually quite common in adult children of alcoholics.  In fact, all 3 of these characters are actually pretty textbook adult children of alcoholics.  My mother was a family therapist dealing, in large part, with this issue, so it was sort of dinner table talk in my house growing up.

Characteristics and Personalities of Adults Who Grew Up with Alcoholism in the Home

[tribeca]

My unpopular opinion is

  I still love the big three even if I don’t like them sometimes ?

kevin is still my favorite and I think Sophie is good for him.  I like he finally has some one in his corner but also someone who will call him on his crap. 

I am the middle ignored child so maybe I just relate to him the most.  My grandma also said he was a nice boy on the young and the restless  LOL. 

[CelticBlackCat]

I'm really dreading the foster girl storyline.  With all the drama will probably come speeches by either Randall or Beth about how they are not going to give up on the precious foster child because she needs a chance.  In the meantime, their two daughters will be wondering what the hell happened to their family, as if they aren't stressed out enough that newly discovered grandfather died, daddy's at home now while mommy works all day, and Uncle Kevin was living with them for a year and is now gone.

[CleoCaesar]

1 hour ago, CelticBlackCat said:

With all the drama will probably come speeches

Pretty much sums up the entire show. We're all watching the love child of Nicholas Sparks and Shonda Rhimes. The painful cheesiness, the cringe-inducing speeches, and the monologues. Ohhh the monologues.

I watch because Justin Hartley is pretty and there's nothing else on on Tuesday nights.

[leighdear]

22 minutes ago, CleoCaesar said:

Pretty much sums up the entire show. We're all watching the love child of Nicholas Sparks and Shonda Rhimes. The painful cheesiness, the cringe-inducing speeches, and the monologues. Ohhh the monologues.

I watch because Justin Hartley is pretty and there's nothing else on on Tuesday nights.

I was feeling a whole lot of Danielle Steele in there too.  

[pennben]

6 hours ago, tribeca said:

 My grandma also said he was a nice boy on the young and the restless  LOL. 

That is such the epitome of a grandmother seal-of-approval it brought a big smile to my face.  Grandmas can be the best!

[BlancheDevoreaux]

On 10/4/2017 at 5:09 PM, leighdear said:

Oh good lord, could Kate have "Electra Complex" tattooed across her forehead even more obviously?  Competition with mommy to get the love of daddy usually ends at about the age of 7.  But Mandy-mom is just screwed no matter what she does. 

I cannot stand Kate.  I'm at hate-level Beth here (on the BlancheDevoreaux scale).  She has not one ounce of grace, compassion or awareness.  And her delusional "fiancee" Toby makes my skin crawl.  

And I think she's a shitty singer!

So Jack boxing for an hour is suddenly cured of alcoholism?  I wonder if Betty Ford ever asked him for advice with her clinic.  She would have been a real success.  /sarcasm

Actually laughed out loud.  Let the hate flow through you!

[Guest]

Replying about hate in the Chrissy Metz thread...

[ChromaKelly]

On 10/3/2017 at 0:47 PM, Lady Calypso said:

So, I thought of a UO that I don't think I've mentioned before: I think they're doing a piss poor job at the sibling interactions. Two of them barely share screen time, let alone all three. Besides the pilot, which had the best sibling scene on the show by far, and the cabin episode (which shoehorned in Kevin's dumb friends and awful ex girlfriend), they seem to be more obsessed with Rebecca/Jack, Randall, or Toby/Kate. They've barely dived into Kevin as a character, let along his relationships with his family, and Kevin/Kate are talked about being close, but it's very rare to see it unfold onscreen. Kevin's seen more with his three love interests last season. 

I like Randall's growth last season, and that's what I want for Kevin or Kate this season. Preferably both, though, but they don't seem to be touching much on them as characters. 

Would it kill the show to have more Big Three scenes? Randall's almost on a different show, and they don't seem to know what they want to do with Kevin at all. Kate has her arc of becoming some famous singer while also having her relationship drama with Toby. 

I agree. They did all this plot-finagling to get Kate and Kevin out to NY/NJ. Should have just left them there for more natural opportunities for the Big Three to be sharing screen time.

[ZuluQueenOfDwarves]

I didn't think either Child Kate or Teen Kate cupping Jack's face was creepy. Problematic, because Jack's allowing her to assume the role of his caregiver/emotional support when she's far too young to take on that burden, but not inappropriate the way other posters saw it. 

I also think Rebecca/Mandy Moore is stunningly beautiful, and don't think the show is overselling how uncommonly gorgeous she is. She holds her own in Hollywood, let alone as a housewife in 80's/90's Pittsburgh. 

[MaryPatShelby]

On 10/4/2017 at 5:39 PM, wings707 said:

Randall and Beth are sure to adopt a very damaged kid.  Think of all the plot options!  Oh my!  I don't like either of them.  

And the sad thing is, we've already seen the plot options in Parenthood. I don't have a lot of faith that this show will go a different way.

[Wings]

46 minutes ago, MaryPatShelby said:

And the sad thing is, we've already seen the plot options in Parenthood. I don't have a lot of faith that this show will go a different way.

I didn't watch parenthood.  What happened there?

[leighdear]

2 hours ago, wings707 said:

I didn't watch parenthood.  What happened there?

The typical TV trope - The attention paid to the new, adopted child caused the biological child to act out and then even more parental attention to the adopted child pushed adopted child to ALSO act out, in confusion because he didn't know how to behave in a functional household. 

Tears, screaming, doors slamming, lather, rinse, repeat. 

[Wings]

Thanks @leighdear and ugh.  

[chocolatine]

Except on Parenthood the biological child was an insufferable brat even before the foster child joined the family, unlike Tess and Annie, who seem like great kids. Still don't want to see a fostering storyline though.

Edited October 7, 2017 by chocolatine

[Wings]

1 hour ago, chocolatine said:

Except on Parenthood the biological child was an insufferable brat even before the foster child joined the family, unlike Tess and Annie, who seem like great kids. Still don't want to see a fostering storyline though.

The child could claim sexual abuse by Randall or something else heinous.  There are so many horrible places this could go!  

[ShadowFacts]

My unpopular opinion is that I think a foster/adoption story line, which could be good or bad depending on how it's written and how an individual viewer reacts to the way it's written, is something that deserves exploration.  Even if Randall and Beth ultimately decide it's not the right thing for their family, it makes sense that he would want to explore it given his whole life history.  To me it's not inherently worse than seeing Kate's singing career hopes or Kevin's return to t.v./movies (showbiz stories actually don't often resonate with me).

[Guest]

I didn't watch Parenthood so I'm open to the fostering story, but I also suspect it'll be predictable and painful.  I'm already a bit tired of the "how my upbringing caused my current neuroses" stories.  Sure, we're all a product of our pasts but we are also so much more.  

I too hate show biz stories, and I think the singing career for Kate one is ridiculous, but I'm not hating Kevin's entirely yet for some reason.  I'd rather see him working at something than having some invisible job like Toby, Beth, Miguel and Rebecca.  

[laurakaye]

I guess my unpopular opinion is that Randall and Beth shouldn't adopt or foster at all, based on how they're behaving towards one another.  First Randall brings it up out of the blue and tells Beth that she needs to "get on board" (ha, as IF). This comes after Randall loses his father, suddenly quits his job, and becomes a stay-at-home dad.  Then Beth walks out of the adoption agency, goes to her "special" spot, has a revelation, and tries to sell Randall on adopting an older child.  Randall thinks it over but then freaks out at the personal questions on the paperwork and now he's putting it off with Beth being the one who wants to get moving.  These two never seem to be on the same page.  My gist on why Randall wants to adopt is so he can somehow reenact his own life with the child playing the part of young Randall and Randall gets to play Saint Jack.  It's odd - something's off about the whole storyline.

Edited October 8, 2017 by laurakaye

[CelticBlackCat]

40 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I guess my unpopular opinion is that Randall and Beth shouldn't adopt or foster at all, based on how they're behaving towards one another.  First Randall brings it up out of the blue and tells Beth that she needs to "get on board" (ha, as IF). This comes after Randall loses his father, suddenly quits his job, and becomes a stay-at-home dad.  Then Beth walks out of the adoption agency, goes to her "special" spot, has a revelation, and tries to sell Randall on adopting an older child.  Randall thinks it over but then freaks out at the personal questions on the paperwork and now he's putting it off with Beth being the one who wants to get moving.  These two never seem to be on the same page.  My gist on why Randall wants to adopt is so he can somehow reenact his own life with the child playing the part of young Randall and Randall gets to play Saint Jack.  It's odd - something's off about the whole storyline.

ITA!  I could not agree more.  I couldn't agree more.  You said this perfectly.

[TomServo]

Retirement Rebecca looks so much like someone just wearing a Sally Field costume that it's distracting.  They might have been better off just casting Sally Field for the part.

[CelticBlackCat]

Every time I see old Rebecca I think I'm looking at Sally Field with Diane Keaton hair!

[Barlowe]

On 2017-10-02 at 5:06 PM, wings707 said:

I attended a play that was a murder mystery.  The audience voted on who they thought did it, by ballot, at the end of act 1.  The character who received the most votes would be the murderer and the play finished with that outcome.  It could be different every night, theoretically.  Reading your post made me think of this.  I don't think all the clues are related to Jack's death.  They are setting up future plot lines.  

When someone dies they don't go away!  William showed up again and I really wanted him gone.  I hated that maudlin overly worked (tortured) plot line.   It ate up season one.  Keep Jack alive in their memories (flash backs), of course it makes sense.  William does not make sense for the long haul. 

I think I probably would've dropped the show if the William/Randall storyline hadn't existed. Kate doesn't really seem to like anyone but Kevin (and yet she keeps dragging Toby along) and her story isn't that interesting (it wasn't last season either), Kevin's story is like something out of Disney, no matter how ludicrous or impossible his story gets, he's just seems to land on his feet and Jack the superdad is long gone. I just don't care for either of Kate and Kevin's unrealistic showbiz stories or how they just seem to be travelling back and forth, from job to job without a thought of money.

[Katy M]

On ‎10‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 3:29 PM, tribeca said:

My grandma also said he was a nice boy on the young and the restless  LOL. 

I'm not sure your grandma was paying too close of attention. LOL.  But, then again, I only watch when visiting my mom.  Maybe he saved up his badness for Christmas break.

 

On ‎10‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 5:43 PM, laurakaye said:

I guess my unpopular opinion is that Randall and Beth shouldn't adopt or foster at all, based on how they're behaving towards one another.  First Randall brings it up out of the blue and tells Beth that she needs to "get on board" (ha, as IF). This comes after Randall loses his father, suddenly quits his job, and becomes a stay-at-home dad.  Then Beth walks out of the adoption agency, goes to her "special" spot, has a revelation, and tries to sell Randall on adopting an older child.  Randall thinks it over but then freaks out at the personal questions on the paperwork and now he's putting it off with Beth being the one who wants to get moving.  These two never seem to be on the same page.  My gist on why Randall wants to adopt is so he can somehow reenact his own life with the child playing the part of young Randall and Randall gets to play Saint Jack.  It's odd - something's off about the whole storyline.

I don't think that  it's not that they should never do it.  But, they need to slow down, take a breath, get on the same page, talk to their kids, see how they feel about it, etc.  Having kids any way, birth, adoption, fostering, is nothing to rush into.