S06.E10: Lemons Into Lemonade

[poopchute]

20 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

Valparaiso?  3 hours to get some free dresses?!  Amber makes no sense.  But then again, keep the kid trapped in the car for 6 hours instead of spending quality time together. 

And dress her up like a little doll because when you get back you store in Leah in her room like a doll. 

Wait. This place is three hours from their house??!

[GreatKazu]

6 hours ago, dabronx said:

Trigger Warning I'm about to make a horribly judgmental statement. I don't think Cate suffers from depression.  She's surrounded all day by a guy she desperately wants to be with but who clearly no longer has any affection for her and it re-enforces all the self-doubt she has about herself and feelings of guilt over choosing to give away her child to keep Tyler. IMHO this explains all of her behavior. I do not believe she has a chemical imbalance in her brain causing clinical depression. No amount of self-medication via food or marijuana or pharmaceuticals meant to treat depression is going to make her feel any better or behave any differently. I think this relationship has been in it's death throws for years and she's clinging to this diagnosis and the rehab or retreat or whatever you call it as a manipulation tool because she's scared to death that Tyler will leave her. However, she's horribly resentful of him at the same time.  She doesn't have the confidence to confront him head on about his treatment of her because she's so petrified of being alone - so she settles for really passive aggressive things like buying the pig and missing her appointments, and takes glee in rubbing other things in his face - like the truck damage.  Her sleeping or being on phone all the time has far more to do with keeping late night hours and general millennial smart-phone addiction. It also provides her an escape from reality so she doesn't have to dwell on how miserable her relationship is.  I don't think anything will help Cate except Tyler being hit by a bus. She will never gain a sense of self worth or self confidence while still in this relationship and he will not leave her until the Teen Mom money has run out.

LOL This is not directed at you, but I have noticed that those of us who feel Catelynn is not suffering from clinical depression (BTW that could mean she may be suffering from other issues instead) feel the need to duck, hide, put out a warning out before we post our feelings. I find that so funny. I fully agree with your opinion.

5 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

I suspect that shopping scene was as much of a Fuck You to their online "haters" as it was to Gary.

Preach!

8 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

I don't really blame him: in his mind, at least in part of it, the part that isn't conceiving terrible new tattoos (that Batman shadow looks like a clumsy cover job), she's cuddling up to him for sympathy when he's clearly furious that she missed what they both agreed was a crucial appointment. 

Bold is mine. I think that was part of her manipulation. There were a few of them in this episode:

1) @CofCinci  pointed out how manipulative Cate was by directing Nova's attention to the iCarly photo (I am so over Carly) as she came in from missing her appointment and likely having a blunt before she got home. Cate wasn't about to deal with explaining how she missed her appointment and hope that Tyler wouldn't notice she had smoked weed.

2) Cuddling up to Tyler reminded me of what a small child does when they know they are in trouble and they are trying to soothe the angry parent - "I didn't mean it. I am sorry." 

3) Tyler tried with his might to let her know how important it was to make that appointment, she is blathering on how her "mental illness screws up everything." No, Cate. You messed up. Stop deflecting. You hit the snooze button.

4) She stated to Tyler how she put on the fake water works to try and get in to see the doctor in spite of the fact she was almost 15, 18, or 20 minutes late, depending on what scene we are referring to.

Edited October 18, 2016 by GreatKazu

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, BravoAddict72 said:

 

I kind of feel like it is partly Tyler's responsibility. Sometimes if you really are depressed you want to get up and go to the appointment but you can not make yourself get up and go. It happened to be. I wanted to do things but all I did was sleep instead. I needed my husband to help me get out of the house and drive me so I could go. Instead of all the complaining Tyler and his mom do maybe they could help Cate instead of putting her down. It's bad enough to be in a dark place, you don't need people who are suppose to love you piling it on. I've been there and it's hard. 

Then how about that grown ass adult woman speaking up and saying to her spouse, "Tyler, can you drive me to my appointment? I am not feeling up to it and I need your support.'?  It works both ways. 

Is Tyler wiping Cate's ass after she takes a shit, too? Is she only capable of being on Twitter and Snapchat?

Edited October 18, 2016 by GreatKazu

[evilmindatwork]

Did Cate actually say she fake cried though? I thought her exact wording was that she had a meltdown? I think her distress at missing the appointment was genuine, she knew she fucked up based on her reactions in the episode. I don't doubt that Cate tries to manipulate situations to her advantage but i don't think she consciously does so. 

[CofCinci]

3 minutes ago, evilmindatwork said:

Did Cate actually say she fake cried though? I thought her exact wording was that she had a meltdown? I think her distress at missing the appointment was genuine, she knew she fucked up based on her reactions in the episode. I don't doubt that Cate tries to manipulate situations to her advantage but i don't think she consciously does so. 

Here's the scene. http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/ogtu7n/teen-mom-sneak-peek-catelynn-misses-a-big-appointment

"I tried bawling" - with a smile on her face. 

[evilmindatwork]

Just now, CofCinci said:

Here's the scene. http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/ogtu7n/teen-mom-sneak-peek-catelynn-misses-a-big-appointment

"I tried bawling" - with a smile on her face. 

Ahh. I guess I rarely pay complete attention.  Thanks @CofCinci. I think I still interpret that scene as she started crying but they still weren't sympathetic, and the "tried" part was a figure of speech. But, I know I tend to be overly sympathetic to her. 

[GreatKazu]

I honestly don't even think she faked any cry to try to get in. I think she only said that to appease Tyler. As if that would somehow remove any fault she had in the situation. In the end, she wasn't wanting to get in. Any tears she shed upon coming out of that office were tears she needed to shed in order to look like she was upset at missing the appointment.

Edited October 18, 2016 by GreatKazu

[leighroda]

The fake crying plot makes me livid.  I currently find myself in a situation where I'm going to be moving halfway across the country back to where I'm from and I really want to pick back up with my former psychiatrist, but she is currently not accepting patients... not even a waitlist because her patient load is high. Even when I originally saw her the initial visit took 6 months to get in.  It's been 4 years so I have to be treated like a new patient, anyway my point is, it makes me so mad... if I could get an appt I would do everything in my power to be there, and if by an act of God I couldn't, there would be real tears, I would feel terrible for wasting everyone's time (to be fair I also would have called the minute I suspected I might be late)... so Cate can miss me with her entitled fake tears expecting the world to bend over backwards for her. 

I get it depression is hard, but she has to take some sort of semblance of responsibility for her life. I feel like I speak for a lot of people here when I say, she had a lot of our sympathy/ empathy in the beginning. Nobody expected perfection, we supported her in her trials and acknowledged she got the short end of the stick in a lot of ways, even now I feel like the majority wants her to get help to fix where things have gone haywire. But personally, I'm over it, it's like she realized that the general public felt sympathy for her and took that and ran with it, to the mess she has become. She's not 16 anymore, and I feel like when she was 16 she took much more responsibility for her life than she does now. I'm sorry she had a hard childhood, but laying on the couch getting high and neglecting nova is not going to fix that. She is setting Nova up for the exact situation she has resented her mom over, except instead of alcohol her drug of choice is weed.

[poopchute]

23 minutes ago, leighroda said:

She is setting Nova up for the exact situation she has resented her mom over, except instead of alcohol her drug of choice is weed.

Yes.  Remember how they kept saying they were placing Carly for adoption so she would have a better life than the one they had?  I don't really see how Nova's life is so much better.  They arent poor but her life certainly isn't full of love and happiness and stimulation.

[evilmindatwork]

I think I was a lot more sympathetic to both of them before Nova. It's really hard to feel empathy for them when you see a half-neglected, half-dressed baby waddling around with a blank face. It's just so damn sad. 

[snarts]

The kids are the only reason to watch.  Leah is such a composed, happy child, especially considering the situation she's been in.  That's a testament to Gary & Kristina.  I liked how Gary talked to her in the car home from school.  He didn't get upset when she said that she enjoyed confiding in Christina.  He then suggested some activities that they could do together.  Her response floored me, the little girl just wants someone to wake up early with her.  How sad is it that these parents can't get even get up with their kids?  

[mamadrama]

52 minutes ago, snarts said:

The kids are the only reason to watch.  Leah is such a composed, happy child, especially considering the situation she's been in.  That's a testament to Gary & Kristina.  I liked how Gary talked to her in the car home from school.  He didn't get upset when she said that she enjoyed confiding in Christina.  He then suggested some activities that they could do together.  Her response floored me, the little girl just wants someone to wake up early with her.  How sad is it that these parents can't get even get up with their kids?  

Maybe Kristina is the one to get up with her. I know how her comment sounded but what if "early" to her is 5am and they just tell her to go back to bed for a bit? I do that to my DH when she wakes up like that; I tell her it is too early and let her get in bed with me. I guess I just want to cut Gary some slack.

[TonAmi]

Maci- This chick is so annoying! Ryan finally calls for time with Bentley and it's a huge thing. I don't like Riiiine, but he's damned if he do and damned if he don't. She would have bitched if he didn't call and when he did, of course she's terribly inconvienienced.

Amber- She spent $900 on cotillion dresses for a 2nd grader to wear to school. $900 dollars. Nine hundred. Dollars. Lord I hope that house is paid for... Will echo that Gary and Christina have done well with Leah, good for them. 

Catelynn- Poor thing, every week she looks progressively worse. Tyler is so checked out of this relationship, but there's a failure on both of their parts to end it. Talking about her appointment, she knew what a big deal this was and how filled the psychiatrist's schedule was. Cate needs to realize that this is the real world and as an adult, she's got to honor her commitments. That "therapy" applied by Kathleen was underwhelming given the severity of what Cate was saying. 

Farrah- Simon must have one hell of a stroke game cause idk why she keeps bringing him along. If I ever meet Farrah, I'll be sure to compliment her 100x a minute to avoid being yelled at.  Also, I love that there was wine drinking in this episode, that's the only way to tolerate that girl.

Edited October 19, 2016 by TonAmi

[toodywoody]

JC can Farrah be any more of an asshole. I think Simon was grinning because she is so ridiculous. 

Taylor's attitude towards Bentley is awesome and the look on Kristina looked upset about the clothes and the rub in the face about how much her mom spent. And Emilee is cute as all get out and was running around smiling. And I'm glad Kristina talks to Gary about what Leah tells her. They both seem to parent Leah well and are a team.

Cate Cate Cate..... 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Wait a minute, I'm just imagining how 5 Farrahs would interact with each other.  There might be physical assault involved. If there was ever anyone who needed about 12 solid months of solo self reflection, it's Farrah. If you think about it, 5 Farrahs would keep each other too busy to harass the rest of us.

 

I think what happened to Catelyn is what my buddies and I used to call "The Fear."

Sometimes the cannabis you are ingesting hits you the wrong way, or has more sativa than indica or vice versa and you have to get the fuck out of wherever you are.  I guess it's like paranoia.

So, Cate got The Fear, had to remove herself from the situation, and went back to smoke some more to even herself out.

Whatever.

 

BUT BUT BUT, WTF with her therapist hearing Catelyn say "I wonder if my daughter would be better without me" and not following up?! WTF.  Do you have a plan, Cate? Do you think you are a danger to yourself?  Seriously, lady. I'm furious. She's not coping, she's talking about suicide and the "therapist" offers her platitudes? Fucking incompetent.

Edited October 19, 2016 by guilfoyleatpp

[JBC344]

24 minutes ago, TonAmi said:

Maci- This chick is so annoying! Ryan finally calls for time with Bentley and it's a huge thing. I don't like Riiiine, but he's damned if he do and damned if he don't. She would have bitched if he didn't call and when he did, of course she's terribly inconvienienced.

Amber- She spent $900 on cotillion dresses for a 2nd grader to wear to school. $900 dollars. Nine hundred. Dollars. Lord I hope that house is paid for... Will echo that Gary and Christina have done well with Leah, good for them. 

Catelynn- Poor thing, every week she looks progressively worse. Tyler is so checked out of this relationship, but there's a failure on both of their parts to end it. Talking about her appointment, she knew what a big deal this was and how filled the psychiatrist's schedule was. Cate needs to realize that this is the real world and as an adult, she's got to honor her commitments. That "therapy" applied by Kathleen was underwhelming given the severity of what Cate was saying. 

Farrah- Simon must have one hell of a stroke game cause idk why she keeps bringing him along. If I ever meet Farrah, I'll be sure to compliment her 100x a minute to avoid being yelled at.  Also, I love that there was wine drinking in this episode, that's the only way to tolerate that girl.

I think Maci's real frustration, at least in this instance is that it seems like Ryan can go weeks without calling or talking to Bently.  It seems more clear that Jen and Larry are even handling (or were handling) all of the correspondence for Bently when he was going over their house. I think Maci is a proud mom of by all accounts a damn good kid and she literally can't comprehend why Ryan has very little interest in Bently.  Quite honestly she was right.  The producer flay out asked Ryan if he is bothered by the limited time he spends with Bently and Ryan couldn't even lie to look like a decent father, he basically shrugged his shoulders and said no. 

As much as Maci berates Ryan I do have to be fair to her and say that I thought she was pretty objective in saying that maybe Ryan felt a little suffocated with Jen and Larry over him and maybe him being on his own he is feeling like he wants Bently around and can really be more open with him.  I actually thought that was incredibly kind of her to say. Of course that was quickly dispelled when Ryan admitted he didn't want more time with him. 

For the poster who asked I think it was revealed that Maci is a Social Media Coordinator for a business.  Possibly a "check cashing business" I believe.  It was revealed before that she works part to full time.

[WhosThatGirl]

I would say that out of this show, Maci Taylor Gary and Kristina are the best parents. Maci may annoy me to no end a lot of the time and I still feel like she presents a faux version of herself for this show at times, whether she does this to save face for her career or brand or for her family but she's an actual mom and she picked a good guy, I've said some things about Taylor as well, I still thinks he likes the camera and the perks a little too much but as of late he does seem to be doing really well with the three kids.

 

And Gary anf Kristina deserve credit for Leah as well. 

[Blissfool]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Leah is on the boutique  facebook page, some comping going on?

https://m.facebook.com/PIPER-BOUTIQUES-149534586588/?ref=hl

That's a whole lot of print on print.

I did like the black dress with the gold stripes. For a dressy occasion. That a 7 year old would attend.

7 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

Here's a clip of Farrah firing an employee while wearing those stupid glasses.  Or, to put it in Farrah-speak, she's severancing the relationship because it feels like there's not an open-mindedness:

http://www.mtv.com/video-clips/oarafc/teen-mom-sneak-peek-farrah-fires-kiana

If someone fired me while wearing those goofy glasses, I'd rip them off her face and stomp them into the ground.  But that's just me.

Why are Farrah and her employee wearing marching band uniforms? 

6 hours ago, gotta watch said:

Wow. Ryan looked like a 50 year old deranged man.
 

He really did. It was sad.

[mamadrama]

The scene with Ryan and the producer. I will have to paraphrase because I can’t recall the conversation word for word but when she was asking him about Taylor and Bentley I had to rewind it twice to understand what Ryan said (and meant).

So the producer was asking about Ryan’s parents and how they’ve helped him out a lot over the years. Then she brings up Taylor and Bentley and asks Ryan if he’s sorry he doesn’t spend more time with “him.”

Ryan responds, “No, not really. I mean, Taylor’s a good guy…”

I swear to God Ryan thought she was talking about Taylor. I think, in whatever state he was in, he seriously thought she was asking him if he was sorry he didn’t get to spend more time with Taylor and that is why he said “no.” I rewound it to listen to it again. I am sure she meant Bentley but by Ryan’s reaction it felt like he was saying, “No, that’s cool. I like Taylor but I don’t really want to hang out with him a lot or anything.”

[SPLAIN]

3 hours ago, leighroda said:

The fake crying plot makes me livid.  I currently find myself in a situation where I'm going to be moving halfway across the country back to where I'm from and I really want to pick back up with my former psychiatrist, but she is currently not accepting patients... not even a waitlist because her patient load is high. Even when I originally saw her the initial visit took 6 months to get in.  It's been 4 years so I have to be treated like a new patient, anyway my point is, it makes me so mad... if I could get an appt I would do everything in my power to be there, and if by an act of God I couldn't, there would be real tears, I would feel terrible for wasting everyone's time (to be fair I also would have called the minute I suspected I might be late)... so Cate can miss me with her entitled fake tears expecting the world to bend over backwards for her. 

I get it depression is hard, but she has to take some sort of semblance of responsibility for her life. I feel like I speak for a lot of people here when I say, she had a lot of our sympathy/ empathy in the beginning. Nobody expected perfection, we supported her in her trials and acknowledged she got the short end of the stick in a lot of ways, even now I feel like the majority wants her to get help to fix where things have gone haywire. But personally, I'm over it, it's like she realized that the general public felt sympathy for her and took that and ran with it, to the mess she has become. She's not 16 anymore, and I feel like when she was 16 she took much more responsibility for her life than she does now. I'm sorry she had a hard childhood, but laying on the couch getting high and neglecting nova is not going to fix that. She is setting Nova up for the exact situation she has resented her mom over, except instead of alcohol her drug of choice is weed.

This^^^^. I am right there with you. If Catelynn wants to live the rest of her life like the way it is right now, go right ahead. What disgusts me is Nova was brought into this situation. The same situation Carly would have been dealing with had she remained in their care. Thankfully, she was placed with B&T. Nova can't remove herself from that situation. Her only reprieve is when she is dumped at someone's home, but even I am not sure that it is much of a change from Casa Baltierra.

 

1 hour ago, JBC344 said:

I think Maci's real frustration, at least in this instance is that it seems like Ryan can go weeks without calling or talking to Bently.

 

I agree that seems to be what is bothering her. Maci also says in the next episode how she only sees Ryan when the cameras are filming.

1 hour ago, JBC344 said:

For the poster who asked I think it was revealed that Maci is a Social Media Coordinator for a business.  Possibly a "check cashing business" I believe.  It was revealed before that she works part to full time.

Except Maci mentioned about two episodes ago she was going to "resign" from her job.

Maci may be dealing with the t-shirt business, but I don't know how much of that business takes up her time.

45 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

The scene with Ryan and the producer. I will have to paraphrase because I can’t recall the conversation word for word but when she was asking him about Taylor and Bentley I had to rewind it twice to understand what Ryan said (and meant).

So the producer was asking about Ryan’s parents and how they’ve helped him out a lot over the years. Then she brings up Taylor and Bentley and asks Ryan if he’s sorry he doesn’t spend more time with “him.”

Ryan responds, “No, not really. I mean, Taylor’s a good guy…”

I swear to God Ryan thought she was talking about Taylor. I think, in whatever state he was in, he seriously thought she was asking him if he was sorry he didn’t get to spend more time with Taylor and that is why he said “no.” I rewound it to listen to it again. I am sure she meant Bentley but by Ryan’s reaction it felt like he was saying, “No, that’s cool. I like Taylor but I don’t really want to hang out with him a lot or anything.”

I have it on my DVR. I just watched the scene again. Ryan says he does not see Bentley that much. The producer asked him if it bothered him to not see him that often. Ryan responds Taylor is a good guy and...(a pause). To me, it sounded as if he was saying he is not worried about not seeing Bentley that often because he is with Taylor, who happens to be a good guy, therefore, he has no concerns.

Edited October 19, 2016 by SPLAIN

[mamadrama]

12 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

 

I have it on my DVR. I just watched the scene again. Ryan says he does not see Bentley that much. The producer asked him if it bothered him to not see him that often. Ryan responds Taylor is a good guy and...(a pause). To me, it sounded as if he was saying he is not worried about not seeing Bentley that often because he is with Taylor, who happens to be a good guy, therefore, he has no concerns.

Gotcha! Either way, it's weird. Weird if he thought she meant Taylor, weird if he's saying it doesn't bother him not to see his son much. :-)

[chuckity]

5 hours ago, poopchute said:

Wait. This place is three hours from their house??!

On the show Amber says they went to the one in Fishers.

But there is a Pipers in Fishers and Valparaiso. 

[SPLAIN]

15 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

Gotcha! Either way, it's weird. Weird if he thought she meant Taylor, weird if he's saying it doesn't bother him not to see his son much. :-)

Agree. It is troubling to hear a father say it bothers him that he doesn't get his child that often, but does nothing to make the situation any better. There was that scene where Maci said Bentley tells her how he doesn't really want to visit his dad. Not unusual since Ryan has not made much of an effort to be the father that he should be to his son.

I was laughing my ass off when Simon was sitting there eating as Farrah was getting pissed off. The more he smiled, ate, laughed, and ignored Farrah and the producer, the more Farrah was fuming. I get he is there to collect his check, and he is just dicking us around, but it sure is better than watching Nova being dumped for the billionth time with April as her mother trots off to go get high.

Farrah: "I'm gonna be engaged and married..."  Does she mean she will be engaged to one guy while married to another? Dumb ass.

Edited October 19, 2016 by SPLAIN
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[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 10/18/2016 at 9:35 AM, dabronx said:

Trigger Warning I'm about to make a horribly judgmental statement. I don't think Cate suffers from depression.  She's surrounded all day by a guy she desperately wants to be with but who clearly no longer has any affection for her and it re-enforces all the self-doubt she has about herself and feelings of guilt over choosing to give away her child to keep Tyler. IMHO this explains all of her behavior. I do not believe she has a chemical imbalance in her brain causing clinical depression. No amount of self-medication via food or marijuana or pharmaceuticals meant to treat depression is going to make her feel any better or behave any differently. I think this relationship has been in it's death throws for years and she's clinging to this diagnosis and the rehab or retreat or whatever you call it as a manipulation tool because she's scared to death that Tyler will leave her. However, she's horribly resentful of him at the same time.  She doesn't have the confidence to confront him head on about his treatment of her because she's so petrified of being alone - so she settles for really passive aggressive things like buying the pig and missing her appointments, and takes glee in rubbing other things in his face - like the truck damage.  Her sleeping or being on phone all the time has far more to do with keeping late night hours and general millennial smart-phone addiction. It also provides her an escape from reality so she doesn't have to dwell on how miserable her relationship is.  I don't think anything will help Cate except Tyler being hit by a bus. She will never gain a sense of self worth or self confidence while still in this relationship and he will not leave her until the Teen Mom money has run out.

I do think Catelynn has depression (but that doesn't excuse her driving high or Nova's current living situation with those two). However, rather than some sort of chemical imbalance as you say, I think Catelynn has situational depression. People who have had traumas/childhood traumas are at a bigger risk for situational depression. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustment_disorder

I think the major "situation" causing her depression is that she placed her child for adoption to keep Tyler who clearly hates her and to whom she is tied because of MTV. It doesn't excuse the manipulation, etc. But at this point I think Catelynn is doing whatever she can to annoy Tyler in o leaving her and does take joy in annoying him because it's kind of the only "revenge" (not the right word, but I'm struggling to think of another one that fits better) for him pressuring her into placing Carly for adoption.

 

Let me preface this by saying I'm 99% sure Ryan has a drug problem. But maybe if it's not drugs, could he have some sort of thyroid problems that are causing "thyroid eyes" or Graves' disease causing the bugged out eyes? In this episode his eyes still looked crazy but he didn't seem as out of it. And he was doing physical labor, which shocked the heck out of me.

Amber and Matt are idiots. Kristina is the main person raising Leah with some assists from Gary. You've done well, Kristina. When Matt was going l. in about how he couldn't believe Leah was in second grade, it made me wonder if he even knows what grades his minor kids are in. I'm sure he doesn't and I'm sure he's never spent $900 on their school supplies combined for all his kids over the past 20+ years. 

Deb is insane. So is Farrah. Simon is trolling them. He just shows up for free trips, to get his mug on camera, get some free meals, get a check, and get some porn star sex. I see you, Simon! I'm not even hating. I admire what you're doing there because I could not put up with Farrah and her family for an extended period of time no matter how much MTV was paying me or how many trips to Hawaii I got.  

Edited October 19, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[fetching]

On 10/17/2016 at 6:36 PM, CofCinci said:

She didn't call because she didn't want the appointment with this new psychiatrist. He/she would most likely requires a drug screen.  Catelynn got high on the rocks with her friend after the "panic attack", the day before this new psychiatry appointment. Her drug use would reflect in the screen and this private practice psychiatrist wouldn't keep her as a client. Blowing off the appointment buys her a little more time for her to resolve ambivalence and figure out what the hell she wants to do. 

Often therapists will view things such as tardiness to appointments as the patient playing games with them and an indication that they aren't really ready to do the hard work required to get better. Some therapists are very strict when it comes to this. I can imagine dealing with people who have addiction issues as well as mental illness - people who may be self medicating and in denial about the severity of their problems - are pretty draining to work with. I think it's good that they sent her away, you could see the shame of her self sabotage burning away in her face afterwards. She knows what's up. 

[vadarama]

Longtime lurker; I made an account just to say I'm certain that Cate actually said, "I j'star'ed bawling," as in "I just started bawling," in her typical manner of self-conscious rush-talk, rather than "I tried bawling" as many have heard it. I was pretty surprised to see people interpreting it that way.

Also, we saw her coming out of that office at the tail end of her freakout, and it was genuine disappointment and self-loathing on display. Not a calculated actor. 

[lidarose9]

When you have a big tree go down like that, the first thing you do is hire someone to chop it up with a chain saw, and either toss it in a wood chipper or take it all away in a big truck. THEN you go out and pick up the leftover debris, smaller limbs, twigs, etc. It made absolutely no sense for Ryan to walk back and forth moving sticks. With his bug eyes and crazy outfit. I think the production people wanted him to do something (so they can get shots of something other than losers on couches)  so they suggested it -- "just go act like you're doing some yard work. "

[TonAmi]

11 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

About 37 min into the episode Farrah is being interviewed by a guy in a yellow shirt.   This is Farrah's exact quote. "The plans for the next 5 years that I'm here is to take frozen yogurt to a whole new level.  I mean, I would hope to probably open more internationally and do this, um, because I've had people interested in California and New York. It will be great."

Can't wait for my first day at Farrah University! I'm going to F.U! 

[lidarose9]

Kind of a shock to see Farrah wearing normal clothes getting the store ready. She wears night club attire everywhere. I swear she'd even dress like that for a funeral. Low cut and slinky to show off her chest balloons. Debra's dress for the grand opening was equally as bizarre, floor-length, with cut-outs under the arms that looked like a seam had pulled loose. "The taste level" is not strong in this family.

Simon seems like he's in some kind of virtual reality thing where all this is happening around him but has nothing to do with him. He's just a spectator, he's watching Farrah's antics like she's a TV show. "I'm not here, this is not happening.... oh look, cake!"

[fetching]

I've been watching this show for several years now and I have to say I think MTV has done a great disservice to these young women and also to their audience. 

I used to work as a photojournalist and a documentary photographer. First of all, you don't pay your subjects to document them. Obviously money is going to alter the reality of the people or things you are documenting. Even just being there with a camera can do that. 

Documenting these people when they were 16 and pregnant is one thing, but to continue following them over the years where you can clearly see the influence and effects of money in their lives is unethical. The message was supposed to be "don't mess up your lives by getting pregnant as a teen." But any teen watching this would fairly think, wow, these girls own nice homes, cars and attend MTV movie and music events. They've published books and been on the covers of magazines. People and businesses give them things to promote. They have fans on social media. They can afford to go on spendy vacations, own multiple properties and have glitzy weddings. I'm not sure most of us would see a downside to this, and if all it takes is getting pregnant and making questionable life choices for years on end in order to create a dramatic story line for multiple seasons, then so be it. MTV by paying them has essentially created lives for them that would not have existed otherwise. Out of all the TM's who do you think would have had the chance for something better without help from MTV? I'm thinking Chelsea and Farrah. Possibly Maci. They all seem to have fairly supportive families with a little bit of money. And out of all these women, who is doing the best? Chelsea. It seems she has made smart decisions about how to spend her money. She doesn't seem to live outside her means. She appears to have a close loving relationship with her dad and her mom (to a lesser degree.) And she chose a decent man to marry who genuinely seems like a good guy who loves her and Aubree. Everyone else on this show are like the big jackpot lottery winners you hear about who go from rags to riches back to rags. 

Also, almost everyone on Teen Mom shows a lack of creativity or passion for their life. Amber gets fatter more depressed and fused with her sofas because having been freed up from the day to day responsibilities of parenting by Gary, instead of going to college, or moving to a bigger city and finding a job or even just traveling for awhile to learn about herself, she chose to shack up with an older grifter she met through Twitter. Catelyn and Tyler's talk about getting an education and doing something with their lives to someday show Carly that there was a good reason for them to place her with a family of adults who were ready and prepared to raise a child was just that - talk. Instead they fired out another kid who they barely seem to have interest in and they both sit around eating fast food and smoking pot all day. No wonder Catelynn is depressed and anxious. She should be just finding out who she is as a person, instead she's 24 going on 40.  I think it's cute that her and Tyler are childhood sweethearts, but after giving up Carly they could have decided to go their separate ways for awhile to enjoy their youth and explore life a little bit. Instead they dove in head first into adulthood. It's depressing that with all the opportunities any of these people were given by their easy MTV money, none of them have done a single exciting thing. And Farrah who seems to be the most entrepreneurial of the bunch doesn't count, she's a fucking train wreck of a human being and her experiences of the world have done nothing to ground her as a person. Porn? Frozen yogurt? Btw, I felt compelled to find her pornos the other night after the show and I have to say, perhaps she needs to go back to it. She sure seemed happy and pleasant with James Deen. Froco and the swirly sunglasses? Not so much. 

The other thing about documenting people is that you aren't there to be their friend. These producers enabling them and acting as therapists is bullshit and unethical. Your job is to stay out of the picture, document things as they unfold and avoid steering it in any particular direction. This is really hard. I have spent years documenting the same people and the minute you cross that line into being friends with them, everything changes. Suddenly you feel bad for showing honest moments that might not view them kindly or favorably. Or they put pressure on you to edit things out. In the end, you will never tell the true story about them because you got too cozy. And that's the paradox. You need to gain their trust, you need for them to be open to being vulnerable around you. Sometimes that just happens when you are there all the time and they kind of forget about you. But other times you have to prove you aren't there to make them look bad. In the end, you have to develop a relationship with them where they understand you are going to tell the truth and they don't get a say in the final edit. 

Imagine all that with Teen Mom. A bunch of teenagers who got pregnant and kept their babies, or gave them up for adoption, or aborted them or abandoned them. Imagine them with no paychecks from MTV to buy Hummers and houses. Imagine what that would look like. Imagine no dress up movie premieres to MTV events, invites to Sia concerts or verified Twitter and Facebook accounts. Imagine a documentary following them through their actual lives as they struggle to put food on the table or scrape together enough cash for the gas bill to keep the heat on. We could have an interesting show that might have an actual impact on teen pregnancy. Instead we see a bunch of entitled young people with their asses fused to their couches creating fake drama so that their series gets renewed and they live to see another paycheck. 

Except for Chelsea, kind of. I think she is smarter than she lets on and she understands that eventually this is going to come to a screeching halt and she best have all her ducks in a row. So far having sex with Adam and getting a pig have been her only bad choices. At least Aubree is the best part of the whole Adumb thing. Not sure what the pig has to offer. 

Oh and PS, how the hell does Amber afford a house with a pool? 

[mamadrama]

54 minutes ago, fetching said:

First of all, you don't pay your subjects to document them. Obviously money is going to alter the reality of the people or things you are documenting. Even just being there with a camera can do that. 

Documenting these people when they were 16 and pregnant is one thing, but to continue following them over the years where you can clearly see the influence and effects of money in their lives is unethical. The message was supposed to be "don't mess up your lives by getting pregnant as a teen." But any teen watching this would fairly think, wow, these girls own nice homes, cars and attend MTV movie and music events. 

The other thing about documenting people is that you aren't there to be their friend. These producers enabling them and acting as therapists is bullshit and unethical. Your job is to stay out of the picture, document things as they unfold and avoid steering it in any particular direction. 
Oh and PS, how the hell does Amber afford a house with a pool? 

My husband is an anthropologist and I have a degree in it myself. I feel that they are not viewing themselves as documentarians but as social anthropologists of sorts and thus have moved from limited "observationist" to the more qualitative approach of "participant observationist." In general I agree with what you are saying, but I don't believe reality TV falls into the category of "documentary". In fact, over the past few years there has been a trend in media and even psychological studies that has put the recording of and participating in reality TV programs as an entirely NEW genre, which means the same rules that were once used for documentaries (both logical and understood) no longer apply. We're no longer just getting the emic of the "storyline"-we're getting the etic as well. Just last weekend I sat in on a panel during a conference that discussed this very thing. One of the reasons they broke the 4th wall with TEEN MOM is because everyone, both audience and production company, was acutely aware of the effects long-term filming was having on the cast members and realized that the production crew themselves had become just as much a part of the story as the cast. This is neither right nor wrong-the new trend in this particular area of media studies is to look at it in a new way and move forward from there. It's an interesting frontier that hasn't been entirely explored yet. 

 

Interesting thing about teenage girls who watch the program and their reactions...MTV claims teen pregnancy rates have gone down (and statistically they have, although whether or not that has anything to do with the show remains to be seen). My mother is a homebound teacher for pregnant teens. She has been doing it for nearly 15 years and so far she hasn't met one who idealized the TEEN MOM lifestyle. In fact, most have told her that the show "scared them", although apparently not enough to help them make wiser choices. 

 

And Amber can afford that house with the pool for the same reason that Maci recently bought a new house and had a big wedding (aside from the stuff that was comped)- MTV gave all the girls a nice little bonus at the same time. 

[LilaFowler]

I agree that reality tv seems to do more damage than good when it comes to young people.  It's easier for them to collect MTV paychecks than to get a normal job like the rest of us.  What do they do when they aren't filming?  At least one of them should have a college degree or something by now, but I think Farrah is the only one who went to some kind of college or training program and actually completed it. 

On that note, I give Taylor credit for at least having an actual full-time job.  He also coaches Bentley's baseball team and you could see the pride in his face during this episode when he said "state champions."  I love that he takes an active interest in Bentley.  It genuinely warms my heart.

Same goes for Kristina.  She is Leah's primary caregiver.  I hope nothing happens to Gary -- he needs to start taking better care of himself ASAP.  If he has a heart attack and dies, Leah will most likely end up with Amber.  Being with Kristina and Gary is Leah's only real shot in life.   Amber's shopping spree shows how clueless she is.  She bitches about not getting Leah enough but when she has her, they spend three hours driving to a boutique to get comped for clothes that Leah can't even wear to school.  No wonder that kid doesn't want to go over there.

Farrah was her typical psycho self.  Simon does not give a single fuck about her.  He tunes her out when she goes off on him.  He's there for the cameras, the meals, the free trips, etc. 

Catelynn.  It would be very exhausting to be around someone like that all the time.  How do you help someone who seems determined to sabotage herself?  From reading this thread it seems that we all agree that she wasn't 100% on board with the psychiatrist in the first place and didn't care enough to be at the appointment on time.  It's not Tyler's responsibility to wake her up and get her there and get her healthy and make her happy.  Other people can only do so much for you.  You have to help yourself and want to get better.  Cate seems like she's been all talk even since her 16&P days.  She and Tyler used to have actual goals (going to college, getting good jobs, etc) and proceeded to pop out another kid and spend their days in their house getting high.  Maybe she's depressed and needs inpatient treatment, or maybe she's just fucking lazy and makes excuses so she can couch all day with her pot and ignore her kid.  Nova is the kid in the worst shape on this show.  I've never really seen a child that age who doesn't smile or laugh and just wanders around with a blank expression on her face.  That is just so, so sad.

Going back to Amber, of course Matt is going to tag along to everything.  If he lets her out of his sight, she might find another guy and he'd lose his free ride.  He wants to keep her fat and hating life so she'll be easier to control.  He is so fucking creepy that I have the urge to shower after watching this show. 

[DoctorWhovian]

Catelynn asking Nova to say Carly was creepy. If I couldn't hear Catelynn's voice, I'd think she was a 40 year old lifelong smoker.

Farrah is heinous. Simon laughs to himself as a way to keep you from hating him so he can keep making money/fame off being on the show. Everything Farrah says is the opposite of reality. Sophia in the deleted scene was horrible and she's going to be worse than Farrah. When did Froco open? How long till it shuts down? I loved Farrah tells the kid they're going to have fun... most people get yogurt and leave, maybe eat it in store. Then that "firing" scene was hilarious. Farrah and her word salad will never fail to amuse me.

Maci stuff was boring. But good on Ryan for apparently having Bentley on his own, with whatever is going on with him.

Amber is ridiculous with those outfits for school. And that stuff was definitely not worth $900, if it even actually cost that. I loved Leah's comment about having "those conversations" with Kristina.

[Calm81]

12 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Maybe Kristina is the one to get up with her. I know how her comment sounded but what if "early" to her is 5am and they just tell her to go back to bed for a bit? I do that to my DH when she wakes up like that; I tell her it is too early and let her get in bed with me. I guess I just want to cut Gary some slack.

 

I get up at 6:30-7 a.m EVERY MORNING including Sundays, but my 4-year-old begs for me to get up at 5:30-6 to put cartoons on. I will cut Gary some slack until we have proof he's waking up at like 10-noon.

[DangerousMinds]

18 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Oh my gawd. I own nearly every Roseanne DVD and I didn't catch THAT reference!!!  I keep forgetting there are Roseanne fans on the teen mom thread. 

Someone upthread mentioned Jackie in the tub during the Roseanne episode where they get high...that's my fave episode. Jackie Harris "Is the tub shrinking?" ?

Mine too!

[DangerousMinds]

18 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Catelynn is an adult with no job. I can't stand Tyler but it's not his role as a husband to make sure his wife gets up for her appointments by bringing her coffee and walking her through the door. That's what you do for your child on their first day of school.

She is ill and needs help at this time.

17 hours ago, BravoAddict72 said:

 

I kind of feel like it is partly Tyler's responsibility. Sometimes if you really are depressed you want to get up and go to the appointment but you can not make yourself get up and go. It happened to be. I wanted to do things but all I did was sleep instead. I needed my husband to help me get out of the house and drive me so I could go. Instead of all the complaining Tyler and his mom do maybe they could help Cate instead of putting her down. It's bad enough to be in a dark place, you don't need people who are suppose to love you piling it on. I've been there and it's hard. 

I've also been there. I could not make it to work on time (and sometimes at all) no matter how many alarms I set. I wanted to ask my dad to call me in the mornings to be sure I got up, but felt too ashamed. I eventually lost that job. I was suffering from a deep depression and needed some help.

[DangerousMinds]

17 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

She most likely had to sign a nondisclosure agreement, and risks having Farrah sue her if she says anything about the job.  Of course people have been known to disclose dirt anonymously.

Farrah could sue, but she would end up losing $ because the former employee would never be able to pay her.

[ClassyCourtHeels]

19 hours ago, Calm81 said:

Catelynn is an adult with no job. I can't stand Tyler but it's not his role as a husband to make sure his wife gets up for her appointments by bringing her coffee and walking her through the door. That's what you do for your child on their first day of school.

Yeah. I kind of feel for Tyler at this point. He is certainly a douche about things but he is constantly dealing with a life suck that is Cate. She brings everyone down around her and he has been dealing with it for years, so it is probably getting extremely tiring. 

[JBC344]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

She is ill and needs help at this time.

I've also been there. I could not make it to work on time (and sometimes at all) no matter how many alarms I set. I wanted to ask my dad to call me in the mornings to be sure I got up, but felt too ashamed. I eventually lost that job. I was suffering from a deep depression and needed some help.

Maybe I'm wrong but I sort of got the impression that Tyler had already left that morning.  When she came home early he was definitely surprised to see her, I think if he was still in bed that morning he would of noticed her jumping up and in a hurry.  I imagined that she woke up frantic and was stomping through the house to get out the door.

They have been showing us over the last few episodes that Tyler has been supervising the remodeling of the new house so I assumed he was up and out pretty early and Nova stayed the night at April's house or Tyler dropped her off in the morning on his way out.

Anyway in a "normal" marriage, yes a husband and wife would be looking out for each other in an instance like this considering it was a big appointment.  I don't think it Tyler's fault but in hindsight if they had a good marriage I imagine Tyler would of made a courtesy call to Cait just to "making sure you're up for your appointment, ok, talk to you later". 

I think Tyler is so frustrated with the situation that it probably wouldn't of even occurred to him to either get up with Cait if he was home or if he was out to put in a call to Cait to make sure she was up and on the road on time.  It's not a matter of "responsibility" on his part but more a matter of support, and Tyler still feeling helpless that he can't help Cait while also feeling frustrated that she won't help herself. 

[tumamita]

OMG Gary & Kristina piss me yet again. Talk about a mind-fuck for poor Leah - what's with all the questions and asking Leah the same things over and over again about wanting to spend time at her moms, etc. When she's with Amber, she seems like she quite content. I also want to add that I LOVE how Gary always made a big stink about Amber sleeping in and in this episode Leah lets the cat out of the bag with her comment about Gary not waking up early. I said this on the last episode thread and I'll say it again - they truly need to get a life.

btw - where the fCUK is Kristina's kids... :-|

[toodywoody]

14 hours ago, toodywoody said:

Can Michael not talk? He is always being shouted at every time he opens his mouth because those two dipshits think they know what he is going to say. 

Also after reading fetching's post I think all the girls would be exactly where they are today with or without money. What I mean is that Cate and Tyler would be married and miserable with a baby and doing drugs, Farrah would be an asshole trying to do all these things and be a asshole to everyone but without plastic surgery. Amber would be laying around bitching and moaning and having a dude take care of shit for her and not know her daughter, and Maci would be married with 3 kids and doing ok. Take the money out and they would be right where they are but without nice houses and cars. Same goes for Teen Mom 2 bunch

ok I don't know why my phone is making me quote myself when I didn't say that 15 hours ago. I just wrote it. 

[Katt]

26 minutes ago, tumamita said:

OMG Gary & Kristina piss me yet again. Talk about a mind-fuck for poor Leah - what's with all the questions and asking Leah the same things over and over again about wanting to spend time at her moms, etc. When she's with Amber, she seems like she quite content. I also want to add that I LOVE how Gary always made a big stink about Amber sleeping in and in this episode Leah lets the cat out of the bag with her comment about Gary not waking up early. I said this on the last episode thread and I'll say it again - they truly need to get a life.

btw - where the fCUK is Kristina's kids... :-|

Kristina has a daughter with her ex-husband and from what we can gather, he won't consent to the little girl being on the show. 

[Jax7917]

there is no way farrah's family actually likes her . There are NO likable qualities about her. But what annoys me the most is farrah's parents complimenting her every second in order to appease her. I get that they want the money and life that comes along with talking to farrah, however how can these people sit there while she is bitching at them for basically breathing, ESPECIALLY when they are helping her all the time . It really is a sick family dynamic. Her mom is constantly kissing her ass and 100 % deserves how farrah treats her because if that was my daughter ( god forbid), she wouldn't see the light of tomorrow. Her dad is slightly better than the mom, but that is not saying much.

 

I'm not saying catelynn doesn't have depression, however I do feel that she is exaggerating it with the panic attacks, etc. ( just my opinion). I also think that had their lives not been filmed, cate and tyler would have broken up at some point a long time ago. But tyler isn't going anywhere for a while ,as he is more attached to his paycheck and staying on the show and being the unique one, being the only dad who is still with the baby mama than he is to catelynn. 

Amber toots her own horn too much , always bragging about how far she's come in her life and being in prison. No one cares that $900 was spent on clothes for school, because that isn't "cool". That's just ridiculous and throwing away money which will inevitably run out one day

[pakalolo]

13 hours ago, chuckity said:

On the show Amber says they went to the one in Fishers.

But there is a Pipers in Fishers and Valparaiso. 

Yeah, I heard her say Fishers too, its much closer to Amber's home. I lived south of there for a few years in high school, I remember going to a restaurant that looked like a barn that served fried bologna sandwiches and sold bawdy greeting cards at the register.

Also, I actually saw another person on television with a "gator" pocket t-shirt last week...Ugh.

[starfire]

Is it just me or are Catelynn and Kathleen starting to look a lot alike?

[Caracoa1]

Is it me or does Catelynn's depression seem to be selective?  She wasn't depressed to go to Comic Con...she wasn't depressed to go house hunting, she wasn't depressed to have a blowout wedding and honeymoon in Hawaii, she wasn't depressed to travel for MTV promotional tours and photo shoots, she's not depressed for her yearly visitation to Carly or to go car shopping...what's up with that!

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, tumamita said:

OMG Gary & Kristina piss me yet again. Talk about a mind-fuck for poor Leah - what's with all the questions and asking Leah the same things over and over again about wanting to spend time at her moms, etc. When she's with Amber, she seems like she quite content. I also want to add that I LOVE how Gary always made a big stink about Amber sleeping in and in this episode Leah lets the cat out of the bag with her comment about Gary not waking up early. I said this on the last episode thread and I'll say it again - they truly need to get a life.

btw - where the fCUK is Kristina's kids... :-|

Kristina is not allowed to show her daughter per court order.

As for Gary, I do not think he is sleeping in otherwise Leah would be getting to scool late. If anything, I think Gary sleeps in on the weekends. Being a parent we do that because the week is a tiring one. Amber would not know anything about that. Leah is probably griping about dad sleeping in on Saturdays and Sundays. He has a right to sleep in since he is the full-time parent who makes sure he gets his child to school. 

14 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

Is it me or does Catelynn's depression seem to be selective?  She wasn't depressed to go to Comic Con...she wasn't depressed to go house hunting, she wasn't depressed to have a blowout wedding and honeymoon in Hawaii, she wasn't depressed to travel for MTV promotional tours and photo shoots, she's not depressed for her yearly visitation to Carly or to go car shopping...what's up with that!

*raises hand* I agree.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Taylor is starting to grow on me. I still think he's fairly unattractive with that awful, unkempt beard on his feminine-featured face, but he's growing on me. I hope he and Maci work out & are able to stay together long-term, for their two bio kids but also for Bentley.   However, when I saw that he had Bentley's name tattooed on his arm all I could think of was Javi getting that big Isaac tattoo..............  It's a nice gesture but it makes me even more hopeful they'll work out. (Granted, Bentley's name is much smaller than Javi's tat of Isaac's face....)

I have a feeling that Simon tells his family that he's actually an "actor" and that this is a role he's playing.  And if he doesn't tell them that, I'm sure that's what they tell their friends out of embarrassment - that MTV hired Simon to play Farrah's boyfriend "Simon."  There's no way any family would be okay with having their kid actually dating Farrah and being around her awful family, let alone be proud of it. 

Edited October 21, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[gunderda]

I am seriously worried about Ryan!  Does anyone know what kind of drugs make someone get bug eyes?? Previously he just looked like he could barely keep his eyes open and mellowed out all the time.  Now he just looks strung out.  And it's really sad. And he's getting puffy.  

23 hours ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

Yes, I really want to know who these people are in NY and CA that are interested in yet another frozen yogurt place -- as if there aren't already a million of them.

We had a bunch and I believe nearly all of them except maybe 1-2 have closed. 

I always assumed Farrah had bought into a franchise but her Fro-yo place is her own concept? 

[Pepper Mostly]

On 10/18/2016 at 4:04 AM, AhFillAck said:

Debra was exclaiming that it had been Farrah's "dream" for TEN years to open FroHo? Or HoCo? (I just HAD to put a Ho in there) Does she consider this as opening her own actual restaurant? Eh-heh-heh-heh-heh.

 

When Debra exclaimed triumphantly "you've proved that a woman can do it all!" I damn near spit out my beverage. Really? These people live on some planet inhabited only by them. They are blissfully unaware of any other world.

 

22 hours ago, teapot said:

 

and wtf was up w/Michael's GF telling Farrah she was her favorite person?  Were the people at that table the only ones she's ever met in her entire life?

Hahaha, Michael just let her out of the basement last week. He said she could go for a walk in the sunlight if she'd compliment his deranged daughter.

22 hours ago, gotta watch said:

Wow. Ryan looked like a 50 year old deranged man.
Does Cate ever shower? Also, I don't think I've ever seen poor Nova smile or chuckle. Isn't she 18 mos-2 years old? Kids that age are always giggling about something. My kids did, and see all the videos on youtube and facebook of kids cracking up at their Dad opening mail for further proof :)

Ryan looks really bad. His graying hair and pot belly were well displayed. He looks 40. So does Cate. Poor Nova is pretty much feral, being raised by the dog pack and her grandma. The one who abused and neglected her mother.

20 hours ago, poopchute said:

I'm going to need that employee that Farrah severenced to come here or somewhere on the Internet and let us know what it was like to work for Farrah.  Based on that convo alone I don't know how anyone lasts more than a half hour.

Right? I worked for someone almost as crazy as Farrah once. Things were fine for a week, then went south so fast I started sending resumes by week three, and was out by week six. She was the craziest person I ever worked for. Anyone who can work for Farrah has my undying respect, because working for a downright crazy person was so hard and stressful I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown.

17 hours ago, snarts said:

The kids are the only reason to watch.  Leah is such a composed, happy child, especially considering the situation she's been in.  That's a testament to Gary & Kristina.  I liked how Gary talked to her in the car home from school.  He didn't get upset when she said that she enjoyed confiding in Christina.  He then suggested some activities that they could do together.  Her response floored me, the little girl just wants someone to wake up early with her.  How sad is it that these parents can't get even get up with their kids?  

I thought that was an adorable scene! Leah was so cute "I usually like to talk about that stuff with Kristina....". She didn't want to hurt her dad's feelings but stated her position kindly. She is a delightful little girl.

14 hours ago, SPLAIN said:

This^^^^. I am right there with you. If Catelynn wants to live the rest of her life like the way it is right now, go right ahead. What disgusts me is Nova was brought into this situation. The same situation Carly would have been dealing with had she remained in their care. Thankfully, she was placed with B&T. Nova can't remove herself from that situation. Her only reprieve is when she is dumped at someone's home, but even I am not sure that it is much of a change from Casa Baltierra.

 

 If they had not placed Carly, they'd be living in a trailer somewhere, working at crap minimum wage jobs, not swanning around on MTV. Poor Nova. She's the second string baby who will never, ever be as good as the idealized angel Carly.

12 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

 

I think the major "situation" causing her depression is that she placed her child for adoption to keep Tyler who clearly hates her and to whom she tied because of MTV. It doesn't excuse the manipulation, etc. But at this point I think Catelynn is doing whatever she can to annoy Tyler in to leaving her and does take joy in annoying him because it's kind of the only "revenge" (not the right word, but I'm struggling to think of another one that fits better) for him pressuring her into placing Carly for adoption.

Deb is insane. So is Farrah. Simon is trolling them. He just shows up for free trips, to get his mug on camera, get some free meals, get a check, and get some porn star sex. I see you, Simon! I'm not even hating. I admire what you're doing there because I could not put up with Farrah and her family for an extended period of time no matter how much MTV was paying me or how many trips to Hawaii I got.  

I agree that Cate is manipulative and somewhere she enjoys getting a rise out of Tyler. Just like an 8 year old misbehaves for attention.

Debra is so crazy she's not even on the crazy chart. That weird smile she has whenever she's making one of her pronouncements--its so bizarre! She seems to think she's some kind of queen. Waving at the devoted peasantry. Simon had me in stitches this week, for real. There is a man, eating steak, with no fucks left to give. I still laugh when I think of the Hawaii trip. One day with with the crazy fam, then off on his own adventures. So long, suckers!

12 hours ago, fetching said:

Often therapists will view things such as tardiness to appointments as the patient playing games with them and an indication that they aren't really ready to do the hard work required to get better. Some therapists are very strict when it comes to this. I can imagine dealing with people who have addiction issues as well as mental illness - people who may be self medicating and in denial about the severity of their problems - are pretty draining to work with. I think it's good that they sent her away, you could see the shame of her self sabotage burning away in her face afterwards. She knows what's up. 

My kid's pediatric practice did this too. Five minutes late and you had to rebook. No exceptions. My husband is one of those people who thinks he can leave home at 7:15 and be at his destination at 7:00. He learned fast that this was not going to play! I am sickeningly punctual and understand this fully. If they aren't strict they get taken advantage of.