Donald John Trump: 2016 President-Elect

[Darian]

Say, got a minute? Or a few hours? Or all day? Check out the New York Times interactive guide to (so far) " The 281 People, Places and Things Donald Trump Has Insulted on Twitter: A Complete List"

It's only 281 because they limited it to Twitter and "since declaring his candidacy for president last June" Also, the insults are grouped under the person, place, or thing, so Hillary Clinton counts as one, for example. It's quite a list. I hope they keep updating, though his current supporters, and even some on the list (hi, Marco! hi, John McCain!) won't care.  

Edited October 24, 2016 by Darian

[needschocolate]

7 hours ago, Padma said:

Personally, I believe he's looking ahead and trying to save as much money as he can for himself when its all over. He can't legally put it into his personal bank account, but he CAN give it to charity.  If his "charitable foundation" is still under investigation, there's always Eric Trump's--and he spends hundreds of thousands of his donors' money at Daddy's golf courses and resorts, esp. Mar-a-lago.   Plus Trump is billing a lot more for Trump Tower use, building use and 757 use now that its being paid for with donors' money.  (And we taxpayers are billed a lot for his SS passengers because he insists on traveling in the 757 for $450k a trip, rather than than something more like Hillary's much smaller and cheaper campaign plane.

For those of you living in battleground states (mine is really blue so we get very very few ads) - is the Clinton campaign running ads pointing this stuff out?

1 hour ago, springtime said:

I believe the Trump camp is readying a "We ran out of time" explanation for election day.

This may be what the surrogates might be saying, but I am fairly certain we will be hearing a lot of excuses from Trump himself - if he admits to losing.  Rigged, ran out of time, no support from the GOP, Hillary had more ads, he had a bunion on his left foot, not enough hairspray, couldn't find a good tanning salon in Ohio, too distracted by beautiful women to get his message out (cause he still doesn't get it), too respectful of women that he didn't tell the full truth about Hillary, didn't really want it anyway, etc... 

[atomationage]

Keith Olbermann:  What'd Be Worse: A Trump Win, or a Foreign Invasion?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQhlZ_j3kxs

In that clip of Jorge Ramos, they showed more of his interchange with Drumpf than I've ever seen before.  That was really upsetting. 

I'm from Chicago, and I've never really cared for Deep Dish Pizza.

Edited October 24, 2016 by atomationage

[random chance]

Well I lost my bet on whether he'd bring up the Clinton-murdered-Scalia conspiracy theory. I'm pretty shocked though that he didn't.

I love deep dish pizza! Spinach, extra mushrooms!

[ChromaKelly]

18 hours ago, NewDigs said:

How did I miss that Salma Hayek has reported on her, bad, experience with TheDonald.

'Hayek's account, as told to the Spanish-language El Show del Mandril: Trump attempted to befriend her boyfriend as a ruse to get Hayek's phone number; on succeeding, he took to calling to ask her out; and it was when she informed him that even if she didn't have a boyfriend, she still would not go out with him, that Hayek felt the force of what she believed was Trump's retribution.

"He called, well he wouldn't say he called, but someone told the National Enquirer," which published a story saying that Trump wouldn't date Hayek because "I was too short".  

Later Trump called her, leaving a message: "'Can you believe this? Who would say such a thing? No, I don't want people to think that about you' – he thought that I would try to go out with him so people wouldn't think that's why he wouldn't go out with me."

It's also interesting to see the SydneyMorningHerald's take on Drumpf.

And now I'm not sure if this should be in the media thread. Is there a media thread? lol

I'm surprised DT/his people are not spinning this story to show how much he loves "the Hispanics".

[ChromaKelly]

8 hours ago, Padma said:

He has a lot of millions that he's just sitting on though. No ground game even in battleground states. Few ads (and the one I've seen is cheaply made.)   People thought he would hire staff and buy ad time, but he has done very little, mainly relying on the RNC's organization in the states.

Personally, I believe he's looking ahead and trying to save as much money as he can for himself when its all over. He can't legally put it into his personal bank account, but he CAN give it to charity.  If his "charitable foundation" is still under investigation, there's always Eric Trump's--and he spends hundreds of thousands of his donors' money at Daddy's golf courses and resorts, esp. Mar-a-lago.   Plus Trump is billing a lot more for Trump Tower use, building use and 757 use now that its being paid for with donors' money.  (And we taxpayers are billed a lot for his SS passengers because he insists on traveling in the 757 for $450k a trip, rather than than something more like Hillary's much smaller and cheaper campaign plane.

Anyway, I think he's planning to keep as much cash at this point for himself as he can. I wonder how many people he's stiffing among his staff? You know there are some--and due to the NDA they won't be able to talk about it.

I do wish this kind of stuff would get more traction. One of things his supporters point out is how he doesn't "need" to fundraise, or need taxpayer money because he's so rich, he's self-funding.
He has campaigned really stupidly. Why in the hell was he in Delaware a few days ago?

[KerleyQ]

8 hours ago, Padma said:

He has a lot of millions that he's just sitting on though. No ground game even in battleground states. Few ads (and the one I've seen is cheaply made.)   People thought he would hire staff and buy ad time, but he has done very little, mainly relying on the RNC's organization in the states.

Personally, I believe he's looking ahead and trying to save as much money as he can for himself when its all over. He can't legally put it into his personal bank account, but he CAN give it to charity.  If his "charitable foundation" is still under investigation, there's always Eric Trump's--and he spends hundreds of thousands of his donors' money at Daddy's golf courses and resorts, esp. Mar-a-lago.   Plus Trump is billing a lot more for Trump Tower use, building use and 757 use now that its being paid for with donors' money.  (And we taxpayers are billed a lot for his SS passengers because he insists on traveling in the 757 for $450k a trip, rather than than something more like Hillary's much smaller and cheaper campaign plane.

Anyway, I think he's planning to keep as much cash at this point for himself as he can. I wonder how many people he's stiffing among his staff? You know there are some--and due to the NDA they won't be able to talk about it.

I absolutely think he's just counting on being able to keep the money for himself somehow.  If nothing else, he'll either hold one last campaign event, which will basically be a party to thank his team or something, and he'll hold it at Trump Tower and wildly overcharge the campaign for use of the space.  (Maybe he'll have it in that janky ass public garden.)  At some point early on (or maybe this was even the reason he ran), he figured out that he could find ways to personally profit off his campaign.  The "I'm self-funding" turned out to be a way to earn money in that he didn't "self-fund" so much as he loaned that money to the campaign.  Once he "realized" that he needed to take donations to compete with the other candidates, then the campaign could pay him back for that loan, plus interest, of course.  

I wonder - if he fails to pay them, does that give his staff wiggle room in the NDA?  If signing the NDA was a part of their employment agreement, and he fails to live up to his part of the employment agreement, does that mean they aren't necessarily beholden to that NDA?   Because I also believe he'll stiff at least some of the campaign staff.  When he doesn't win, they'll take the blame.  We've already seen him try to sell the "they probably didn't do a good job" line to justify his repeated stiffing of various contractors.  So why wouldn't he pull that with his campaign staff on a losing campaign?  It, of course, couldn't possibly be his fault he lost, so they must have not done the job right.  

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 didn't really want it anyway, etc... 

This seems closest to what he'll pull.  We've already heard his son say that the Presidency would be a "step down" for him.  So I'd bet that it's the angle they've decided to go with for the loss - that he didn't seriously want it anyway.  He was sacrificing of himself to make the run, for the good of the country, but he never really wanted the job when he has his wildly successful company, the best company, it's so successful, it's unbelievable.  So successful.  But he would have done it for the people, because he's such a huge patriot, nobody loves this country more than he does.  And people were telling him how bad the country was doing, and how they desperately needed someone to fight the corrupt Clinton machine, and he was the only one who could do it and save the country from them.  Because he's wildly popular and people just like him...endorsements.  He got so many endorsements.  The best endorsements.  ICE - they've never endorsed anybody.  Never.  And, it's just tremendous, they endorsed him, because they knew he could save this country.  But he has these businesses, and he's so successful, you have no idea how successful.  And being President was a sacrifice he was willing to make, but it was never his dream.  

Edited October 24, 2016 by KerleyQ

[MulletorHater]

8 hours ago, Padma said:

He has a lot of millions that he's just sitting on though. No ground game even in battleground states. Few ads (and the one I've seen is cheaply made.)   People thought he would hire staff and buy ad time, but he has done very little, mainly relying on the RNC's organization in the states.

Personally, I believe he's looking ahead and trying to save as much money as he can for himself when its all over. He can't legally put it into his personal bank account, but he CAN give it to charity.  If his "charitable foundation" is still under investigation, there's always Eric Trump's--and he spends hundreds of thousands of his donors' money at Daddy's golf courses and resorts, esp. Mar-a-lago.   Plus Trump is billing a lot more for Trump Tower use, building use and 757 use now that its being paid for with donors' money.  (And we taxpayers are billed a lot for his SS passengers because he insists on traveling in the 757 for $450k a trip, rather than than something more like Hillary's much smaller and cheaper campaign plane.

Anyway, I think he's planning to keep as much cash at this point for himself as he can. I wonder how many people he's stiffing among his staff? You know there are some--and due to the NDA they won't be able to talk about it.

Padma, your post reminds me of Drumpf's boasts that he would be "self-financing" his own campaign.  And, the lemmings ate it up because, according to them, it meant he wouldn't be beholden to anyone.  Of course, that changed when he actually won the nomination.

Rachel Maddow did an excellent job this summer of  highlighting how the Drumpf campaign is nothing but a money making scam to enrich him and his family.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-campaign-a-cover-for-moneymaking-scheme-710188099545

It reminded me how upset donors were in 2008 when they learned that their hard-earned money was being used to keep Sarah Palin in glad rags, high-end makeup and great handbags.  Even her little ones had designer bags.  Meanwhile, Drumpf has some of his supporters so far gone that his grifting and thieving ways barely register as blips on their radar scales.

[HumblePi]

[peacheslatour]

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It reminded me how upset donors were in 2008 when they learned that their hard-earned money was being used to keep Sarah Palin in glad rags, high-end makeup and great handbags.

Were they really? I thought Saint Sarah could do no wrong.

[MulletorHater]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Were they really? I thought Saint Sarah could do no wrong.

I know, right?  But, consider "the optics."  At a time when the country was going through a major recession, we had a presidential candidate who couldn't remember how many houses he and his wife actually had (it was a whopping 8!) and whose wife showed up at the GOP convention wearing a $300,000 outfit.  Then the party faithful learned that the Republican Committee spent $150,000 on clothes, makeup and accessories for its VP candidate.  And, again, the backdrop for all of this was people losing their jobs and having homes going into foreclosure; folks losing their retirement savings overnight; and the country being told by the sitting president that he was not sure if we would even have an economy if something drastic wasn't done.  Plus, we had two ongoing wars that were financed off the books and weren't paid for.

And, in other news, Drumpf has received his first major newspaper endorsement from The Las Vegas Review-Journal.  Apparently, the paper is owned by billionaire casino owner, Sheldon Adelson.  It should also be noted that Adelson reportedly poured up to $25 million into Drumpf's campaign.

Read here for the editorial board's reasoning:  http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-donald-trump-president.

Hopefully, there won't be a backlash against the editorial board for daring to stick their necks out...

[NewDigs]

13 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

And, in other news, Drumpf has received his first major newspaper endorsement from The Las Vegas Review-Journal.  Apparently, the paper is owned by billionaire casino owner, Sheldon Adelson.  It should also be noted that Adelson reportedly poured up to $25 million into Drumpf's campaign.

Adelson. Ugh. Florida might at least have medical marijuana now if old Sheldon didn't keep meddling other states' business. His ads bordered on fearmongering. And misrepresented the ballot initiative.

I had heard about the endorsement and now it makes sense.

ETA just read as much of the endorsement as I could stomach. Mindnumbing.

I notice there is not a "Comments" section.

Edited October 24, 2016 by NewDigs

[ChromaKelly]

Reading about the Trump Tower and his other properties, combined with the image he's always projected reminds me of the "Opulence, I has it" commercial.
 

[starri]

2 hours ago, ChromaKelly said:

Why in the hell was he in Delaware a few days ago?

I was confused about that too, but he was actually in the town of Delaware, OH.

[Padma]

2 hours ago, ChromaKelly said:

I do wish this kind of stuff would get more traction. One of things his supporters point out is how he doesn't "need" to fundraise, or need taxpayer money because he's so rich, he's self-funding.
He has campaigned really stupidly. Why in the hell was he in Delaware a few days ago?

It's maddening.  Because he got so much support for "self funding" during the primary when he actually paid 2/3s of it and the rest were donors, including some big ones (not to mention the $2 billion of free, largely uncritical media). Before the general election even began, Corey Lewandowski let it slip that they were gong to be largely using donor money now, including big donors (Adelson's $25 million is just one example.) Yet....it hardly gets out there. The same with the ridiculously large "reimbursements" he makes to himself.

This morning I saw Andrea Mitchell going on and on about wikileaks and how Clinton has such a "transparency issue". Okay, fine. But as usual no one talked about Trump's complete lack of transparency in every way--his investments at home and abroad, his partners and lenders, his 500+ companies and what they do, his overseas entanglements that could compromise his presidency.  The deductions that he takes.  How he doesn't give millions and millions to charity--probably as Waspost found, hasn't given anything since 2008.  How he refuses to set up a blind trust as president and will be completely compromised by his own financial interests--the only thing he has cared about for 50 years.

Not to mention, how connected is he with Russian intelligence and Julian Assange with their attacks on Trump's opponent in order to destroy a democratic election.

He is the richest candidate to run for president, with the most (incredibly) complicated financial entanglements and interests and supporters abroad--including, apparently, Assange and Putin--and is also the least transparent of anyone.  The media (yes, that crooked media that persecutes him so badly) doesn't even seem to notice.  They can talk on and on about Clinton's "transparency problem" and not even think about Trump's. 

I am so grateful those women came forward because if not for them, I think--incredibly--he might be poised to win.

[MulletorHater]

Unfortunately, even in this instance, sex sells.  I have long agonized about the average voter's inability to pay attention for longer than 5 minutes.  Not to mention the lack of critical thinking skills.  Heaven forbid if the mainstream media should spend more than 5 minutes on Drumpf's attempt to do business with Cuba while there was an embargo in place, as well as his other shady entanglements that will clearly be a conflict of interest should he (please, Lord--no!) bluster his way to the White House.  Nope!  It's more important to do some false equivalence nonsense about the Clinton Foundation and the Trump "Foundation."*  For instance, has there been any more discussion about Drumpf's attempt to bribe the Florida AG, who had to decide if she would even look into fraud claims in her state about Trump "University?"

But, oh, throw in some beautiful women, some graphic descriptions from the jackass' own mouth about sexually assaulting women, and an adult film actress or two, and the media--and the voters--are riveted.  For days...for hours...

*In quotes because it's been clearly shown that neither of these entities are legitimate charities or schools.

[peacheslatour]

55 minutes ago, ChromaKelly said:

Reading about the Trump Tower and his other properties, combined with the image he's always projected reminds me of the "Opulence, I has it" commercial.
 

I will never not love that tiny giraffe!

[khyber]

I'm sure it frosts Assange that all the stuff he saved for the October surprise has been lost in the noise of the trump's sex scandals. Most people won't slog through the stolen emails and parse out the info. Even if its spoon fed to them it won't have the impact of the billy bush tape and all of the women coming forward. 

[PatsyandEddie]

I read that Billy Bush was shooting his mouth off down in Brazil when he went down to interview that dumbass Ryan Lochte. He was overheard bragging in a pool of journalists that he had a tape featuring DT that was explosive. The right person overheard and started digging. Too bad, so sad. 

[Padma]

1 hour ago, MulletorHater said:

Unfortunately, even in this instance, sex sells.  I have long agonized about the average voter's inability to pay attention for longer than 5 minutes.  Not to mention the lack of critical thinking skills.  Heaven forbid if the mainstream media should spend more than 5 minutes on Drumpf's attempt to do business with Cuba while there was an embargo in place, as well as his other shady entanglements that will clearly be a conflict of interest should he (please, Lord--no!) bluster his way to the White House.  Nope!  It's more important to do some false equivalence nonsense about the Clinton Foundation and the Trump "Foundation."*  For instance, has there been any more discussion about Drumpf's attempt to bribe the Florida AG, who had to decide if she would even look into fraud claims in her state about Trump "University?"

But, oh, throw in some beautiful women, some graphic descriptions from the jackass' own mouth about sexually assaulting women, and an adult film actress or two, and the media--and the voters--are riveted.  For days...for hours...

*In quotes because it's been clearly shown that neither of these entities are legitimate charities or schools.

Seriously, those are two campaign-destroying controversies right there. I think the Bondi scandal was, mildly, in the news for a day or two, not even bringing out all the lies (like declaring it was donated to someone else on his tax form).  And Cuba--where he was trying to do business with the enemy (diplomatically speaking) and which shows Trump's #1 priority is always himself, not his country--was, literally, in the news for about 5 minutes.

Even when stories are handed to them by some great print reporters, the cable news people aren't all that interested. And, frankly, I don't think the Clinton campaign has done very well in keeping on him either and branding him as a man whose ONLY interest is in enriching himself.  This "working class hero" has never done anything ever for average Americans. He didn't even give the $10,000 to the 9/11 fund as he claims he did. (And, no, David Fahrenthold can't do ALL the work in this election!) 

I have to give Trump credit for one thing:  he negatively brands his opponent and is relentless about sticking to it.  He has taught everyone his message:  That they're all up against a "rigged system, rigged election, Crooked Hillary, and he's a change agent and is 'the only one who can fix it'".  Love him or hate him, who can't repeat his 'message' in their sleep?  

Hillary's been GREAT in standing up to him and thankfully seems to be winning in a way that NONE of his 16 opponents ever did.  But I can't say that she's done much about branding him as a self-interested crook, pulling it all together to show him as a man with NO concern for average Americans whatsoever.  He's got people mesmerized now, but still, it's sad that a coherent message really wasn't put out--and hammered into public consciousness like Trump does, over and over and over--on Twitter and at rallies and with surrogates and in interviews.  Perhaps because he's not very smart and really doesn't have any ideas about the world we live in, he's very very good at the fine points of negative campaigning. I wish Democrats would learn something from him in that respect. 

[Padma]

8 minutes ago, khyber said:

I'm sure it frosts Assange that all the stuff he saved for the October surprise has been lost in the noise of the trump's sex scandals. Most people won't slog through the stolen emails and parse out the info. Even if its spoon fed to them it won't have the impact of the billy bush tape and all of the women coming forward. 

Hopefully his threat to Joel Benneson is just that, a threat. Because Benneson probably has worse things than Podesta.

That said, if this were happening to TRUMP, you'd hear his surrogates attacking anyone using information obtained like this as a tool of Russian propagandists and, basically, in league with Putin in trying to overthrow our election. I don't understand why Democrats are so stuck in defense. They need to get that message out more, relentlessly, that Putin and Assange are trying to throw the election for Trump--"Oh, and why? Does he have business with them? Has he promised anything to them in exchange? Will he say flat out that neither he nor anyone in his campaign has anything to do--any contact or agreements--with either of them or their representatives?"  They need a preemptive strike before its too late.

[Silver Raven]

Russia Today, Vladimir Putin's English language propaganda arm, put out a story about the latest WikiLeaks leak of Clinton's campaign staff emails HALF an HOUR before WikiLeaks put it out.

[MulletorHater]

17 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

The Trump Tower is a dump

 

Fake steel contact paper sheets over the plain white refrigerators in the Trump Grill restaurant, walls and ceilings falling apart, etc.

And, it appears that tenants in three of Drumpf's rental properties in NYC want nothing to do with his brand.  They are so embarrassed that they want to rename the buildings.

What's In a Name?

[MulletorHater]

17 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

The Trump Tower is a dump

 

Fake steel contact paper sheets over the plain white refrigerators in the Trump Grill restaurant, walls and ceilings falling apart, etc.

And, it appears that tenants in three of Drumpf's rental properties in NYC want nothing to do with his brand.  They are so embarrassed that they want to rename the buildings.

What's In a Name?

[Kitty Redstone]

16 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

And, it appears that tenants in three of Drumpf's rental properties in NYC want nothing to do with his brand.  They are so embarrassed that they want to rename the buildings.

What's In a Name?

Hopefully more people will begin to run from this horrible family.  I never understood the attraction people had to such a unattractive, gaudy and self-serving man anyway.  But then I don't understand why people are fascinated with and want to emulate the Kardashians, either. 

[NewDigs]

11 minutes ago, BoogieBurns said:

Yeah, I think we were getting along too well, so some of the more stressful topics made their way on our Stronger Together thread. Move those allegations over to the I Alone Can Fix It thread, y'all. 

And I'm bringin' you too!

I think the most horrifying, so far, Trump behavior was reported by Ivana.

The less graphic part:

'Ivana Trump’s assertion of “rape” came in a deposition—part of the early ’90s divorce case between the Trumps, and revealed in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump.

The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants. ...'

[random chance]

33 minutes ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Hopefully more people will begin to run from this horrible family.  I never understood the attraction people had to such a unattractive, gaudy and self-serving man anyway.

I knew almost nothing about Trump before this election. (Ah the good old days.)

[NewDigs]

8 minutes ago, random chance said:

I knew almost nothing about Trump before this election. (Ah the good old days.)

How...? (that should be an incredulous font)

Wow. I know you have a teevee...

I envy your kinder gentler time w/o.

[Rapunzel]

43 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

And I'm bringin' you too!

I think the most horrifying, so far, Trump behavior was reported by Ivana.

The less graphic part:

'Ivana Trump’s assertion of “rape” came in a deposition—part of the early ’90s divorce case between the Trumps, and revealed in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump.

The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.

What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants. ...'

This is just so disturbing on so many levels. I have no doubt that The Orange Douchebag has been inappropriately physical with women - beyond just trying to shove his tongue down their throats, grabbing their breasts, or even "grabbing them by the pussy." My fear is that, as there have already been at least 10 or 11 (maybe more at this point) to come forward and say that Trump assaulted them or propositioned them in some way that there are so many more. I think it is likely that he has crossed the line and possibly could have even raped women (just basing this on his behavior, the story in the quote about about Ivana, his personality, his attitude towards women, his sense of entitlement, etc.). The man is incapable of hearing the word "No." Any other women out there that may have been severely assaulted or even possibly raped by this monster (and I don't care if they were/are porn stars, call girls, strippers, housewives, waitresses, accountants, teachers, CEOs or any such thing - it is irrelevant - a woman always has the right to say "No"), may have chosen to settle with him and sign an NDA/CDA, perhaps mainly so they could try to go on with their lives and probably didn't want to deal with media circus and the slut shaming that would be sure to follow.

How has our Country gotten to a point where a man like this can be a step away from the Presidency?

In addition to his clear issues with women, the man is a pathological liar, a sociopath, an egomaniac, a misogynist, and the list goes on and on. I am hard pressed to find any one good quality about him. The fact that his sons are being raised to be exactly like him is also appalling. Even when Trump loses this election, we have to worry that he may either try to run again for President or for some other political office, but more importantly, that one of his psycho sons may also try to get into politics. From what I've seen, they are just as bad, especially Junior, who always seems to be on Coke just like Daddy. Whenever I've seen him on TV, he talks a million words a minute, buys into every conspiracy theory, etc.

Kellyanne should be ashamed of herself at this point. I hope she can't ever find another job, especially in politics, ever again. She has helped create this monstrosity. I think she made some attempts to reel him in, however she knew from the beginning that he was going to do whatever he wanted, regardless of her advice (her being a woman probably doesn't help), but she chose to take this on and she sits there and tries to justify and even support his behavior. If she had any self respect, she would have quit long ago. Guess she can't say no to the money - though with Trump's history, who knows that she'll even get paid everything she is due? I'm sure she got at least a partial upfront payment, but who knows that she'll see anymore than that, especially if the man loses? He may have even put a performance clause in her contract whereby he doesn't have to pay her a cent if he loses either by a certain margin or altogether. If so, she's an even bigger idiot for agreeing to sign something like that.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Rapunzel

[random chance]

8 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

How...? (that should be an incredulous font)

Wow. I know you have a teevee...

I envy your kinder gentler time w/o.

I'm really good (maybe too good) at filtering out things that don't interest me, and he never interested me.

[Kitty Redstone]

24 minutes ago, Rapunzel said:

From what I've seen, they are just as bad, especially Junior, who always seems to be on Coke just like Daddy. Whenever I've seen him on TV, he talks a million words a minute, buys into every conspiracy theory, etc.

Is he the darker-haired one with the lightbulb shaped head?  If so, it was really difficult to watch him spin for his daddy after the last debate.  His eyes were so shiny and intense.  But then the other one is creepy, too, with the slicked back hair and undead looking skin.  Gah!  After this is over, I hope they all slink back to their ugly hotels and are never seen on a national stage again.

[Darian]

In Hillary Clinton's thread there were things said about Trump's sexual assault allegations and imo they fit better here. 

One issue raised was that all Trump's 11 accusers have only recently come forward. And it's pretty well-known that women often don't (I didn't, none of the times, for various reasons) so it shouldn't count against them, imo, if they did. But Trump's been accused of the same behavior he bragged about and beyond. Both the genital grabbing and abusing his power as pageant owner to enter a women-only dressing area to "inspect" the naked women. As has been linked to already,  there are multiple claims, from women who were in his adult and teen pageants.  

The Atlantic has an article about Trump's various scandals and one heading reads:  Sexual-Assault Allegations Where and when: Various, 1970s-2005

The Title is self-explanatory: A Timeline of Donald Trump's Inappropriate History With Women

Some did just come forward, and some made earlier accusations. Some have friends and family members corroborating their accusations. But, again, women often don't come forward, for many reasons. If we learn nothing else from this election cycle it should be that. We're sure learning why it's terribly difficult to do so. 

I have more links, of course, but those should do to put paid to the idea that Trump's only been accused of sexual misconduct since this campaign. 

[BoogieBurns]

42 minutes ago, Darian said:

it's pretty well-known that women often don't (I didn't, none of the times, for various reasons)

I didn't come forward. I'd say there are 6 clear examples of men treating me the way DJT allegedly treated the accusers, or worse. None of them were ever reported. I didn't want to be on trial for getting groped/raped (not to mention I was underage for 4 of the 6, and the guys would be registered sex offenders). However, if any of those guys ran for office, I guarantee I will vote for their opponent. If they say "I have never groped someone," I will come forward. All the people saying the accusers are "Hillary supporters," no duh. The other option violated them. Although, one of them is voting for him. She still came forward. How could that possibly be the Clinton campaign if homegirl still is voting for Trump?

[ari333]

6 minutes ago, BoogieBurns said:

I didn't come forward. I'd say there are 6 clear examples of men treating me the way DJT allegedly treated the accusers, or worse. None of them were ever reported. I didn't want to be on trial for getting groped/raped (not to mention I was underage for 4 of the 6, and the guys would be registered sex offenders). However, if any of those guys ran for office, I guarantee I will vote for their opponent. If they say "I have never groped someone," I will come forward. All the people saying the accusers are "Hillary supporters," no duh. The other option violated them. Although, one of them is voting for him. She still came forward. How could that possibly be the Clinton campaign if homegirl still is voting for Trump?

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

Hugs.

That doesn't help much, but it makes me feel better to say it.  

[BoogieBurns]

1 minute ago, ari333 said:

I'm so sorry that happened to you.

Hugs.

You know, I lived and I learned. This election cycle has been bringing it up for a lot of us, and it hasn't been pleasant. Hopefully it's motivated some voters. Also thanks, it does help. 

[Menrva]

12 minutes ago, BoogieBurns said:

I didn't come forward. I'd say there are 6 clear examples of men treating me the way DJT allegedly treated the accusers, or worse. None of them were ever reported. I didn't want to be on trial for getting groped/raped (not to mention I was underage for 4 of the 6, and the guys would be registered sex offenders). However, if any of those guys ran for office, I guarantee I will vote for their opponent. If they say "I have never groped someone," I will come forward. All the people saying the accusers are "Hillary supporters," no duh. The other option violated them. Although, one of them is voting for him. She still came forward. How could that possibly be the Clinton campaign if homegirl still is voting for Trump?

I'm so sorry you had to go through that - I've been there too. This election has shaken me. There are many days where I'm fine, and then bam, it hits me like a ton of bricks. I had to stop watching Game of Thrones because it gave me nightmares and flashbacks. And having that bloviating rotten tangerine all over the media, spouting lies and inciting hatred and fear just enrages me. How on earth did this happen? My husband is tired of me screaming at the TV. I have to go watch videos of cute baby bats to make me feel better. It's very therapeutic.

[Rapunzel]

53 minutes ago, Menrva said:

I'm so sorry you had to go through that - I've been there too. This election has shaken me. There are many days where I'm fine, and then bam, it hits me like a ton of bricks. I had to stop watching Game of Thrones because it gave me nightmares and flashbacks. And having that bloviating rotten tangerine all over the media, spouting lies and inciting hatred and fear just enrages me. How on earth did this happen? My husband is tired of me screaming at the TV. I have to go watch videos of cute baby bats to make me feel better. It's very therapeutic.

It saddens me how many of us have had experiences like this and that this election and the fact that Trump is clearly a sexual predator is bringing back some pretty awful memories for many of us. I remember being in college and hearing about date rape and how it was not acceptable no matter what. If you said "No" it meant "No." It was being talked about a lot at the time, yet, still if you were a woman and went out on a date with a guy and maybe decided to invite him in afterwards (without the intention of sleeping with him, or maybe even if the thought crossed your mind, but you hadn't decided), and things progressed but you ultimately decided you didn't want to be intimate with him and said "No," and he forced himself on you anyway, you were often still blamed, at least partially. I remember even people that I thought were friends asking me why I would have put myself in that situation to begin with. If Ivana's account is true (and I don't have any reason not to believe it, especially given Trump's behavior), clearly any type of sexual assault or abuse against women is acceptable and/or justifiable to him - after all, he's famous, remember? That gives him the right to grope you automatically.

It's this same mentality that Trump seems to have with everything in life. Whether he's blaming the women for the sexual assault accusations, trying to brush them off as "locker room talk," or whether he's blaming Hillary and the Media for the election being rigged or for immigrants stealing our jobs and bringing drugs and crime into our Country, etc., it's always someone else's fault in his eyes, and that is part of what makes him so incredibly dangerous. I mean, we can all hear the excuses now: "China disrespected me so they made me go to war with them," or "That woman had an abortion so she should be thrown in jail," or, one he's already used, "She's a porn star so it's not like she's not used to being grabbed."

The man is a pig through and through and why any woman, Kellyanne Conway, Ann Coulter, the "Women for Trump" people, etc., would support him is just completely beyond me. He is not "Going to Make America Great Again." He is going to turn American into the Great Dictatorship and start removing rights from women and minorities the first chance he gets. He's also going to destroy our diplomatic relations, ruin our economy, our education system, etc. I hate to think who his cabinet would be made up of.

I keep asking myself why this man isn't in jail. As I've mentioned in a few posts, it is a shame they can't tie him to the Putin/Russia/WikiLeaks stuff and at least get him on election fraud. Also, why can't they do something about the abuse of his charity? Do they not have enough proof yet? Can President Obama appoint a "Special Prosecutor" or something or is it too late in the game? I know some are looking into certain things at the state level, but  can't it be reviewed at the Federal Level as well? It just seems like there is something we should be able to do as he is the one who belongs in jail, not Hillary.

I never hear anything about Trump's mother - anybody know anything about her or his relationship with her? Just wondering if this contributes at all to his behavior towards women in particular.

This man just cannot win the election. That's all there is to it. Please get out there and vote and help keep this "bad hombre" out of office.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Rapunzel

[KerleyQ]

1 hour ago, Rapunzel said:

This is just so disturbing on so many levels. I have no doubt that The Orange Douchebag has been inappropriately physical with women - beyond just trying to shove his tongue down their throats, grabbing their breasts, or even "grabbing them by the pussy." My fear is that, as there have already been at least 10 or 11 (maybe more at this point) to come forward and say that Trump assaulted them or propositioned them in some way that there are so many more. I think it is likely that he has crossed the line and possibly could have even raped women (just basing this on his behavior, the story in the quote about about Ivana, his personality, his attitude towards women, his sense of entitlement, etc.). The man is incapable of hearing the word "No." Any other women out there that may have been severely assaulted or even possibly raped by this monster (and I don't care if they were/are porn stars, call girls, strippers, housewives, waitresses, accountants, teachers, CEOs or any such thing - it is irrelevant - a woman always has the right to say "No"), may have chosen to settle with him and sign an NDA/CDA, perhaps mainly so they could try to go on with their lives and probably didn't want to deal with media circus and the slut shaming that would be sure to follow.

I've never doubted the allegations against him.  And it's so infuriating that his side keeps trying to act like he's never been accused of this before.  He has been. There have been multiple allegations in the past.  He's got a civil trial for raping a 13 year old starting in December.  His own wife accused him of it (and semi-walked it back, no doubt for cash, but her "walking it back" still involved her calling it a violent violating episode).  And his response (as well as his followers' response, I'm sure) in the case of the porn star is so gross.  I knew that was what was going to happen, without a doubt.  It was going to be a general attitude of "well, come on, she's a porn star."  If anyone wonders why she didn't come forward sooner, all they need to do is listen to the response to her coming forward now.  It must be monumentally difficult to report sexual assault or sexual harassment when you work in a sex-based industry.  

1 hour ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Is he the darker-haired one with the lightbulb shaped head?  If so, it was really difficult to watch him spin for his daddy after the last debate.  His eyes were so shiny and intense.  But then the other one is creepy, too, with the slicked back hair and undead looking skin.  Gah!  After this is over, I hope they all slink back to their ugly hotels and are never seen on a national stage again.

A few weeks ago, I saw a meme that had a picture of the two of them next to a picture of Beavis & Butthead, and it was dead on, especially Eric (the blonde one).  It's all I can see now when they're on TV.  

1 hour ago, Darian said:

Some did just come forward, and some made earlier accusations. Some have friends and family members corroborating their accusations. But, again, women often don't come forward, for many reasons. If we learn nothing else from this election cycle it should be that. We're sure learning why it's terribly difficult to do so. 

Exactly.  Women often don't come forward when their assailant is just some average guy.  But they're often even more reluctant to come forward when they're attacked by someone famous, rich, or powerful.  They system is rough enough when you've been sexually assaulted, but when the person you're accusing has those extra advantages, it's got to be a nightmare.  It's like being repeatedly victimized over and over by the system and the general public.  

39 minutes ago, BoogieBurns said:

I didn't come forward. I'd say there are 6 clear examples of men treating me the way DJT allegedly treated the accusers, or worse. None of them were ever reported. I didn't want to be on trial for getting groped/raped (not to mention I was underage for 4 of the 6, and the guys would be registered sex offenders). However, if any of those guys ran for office, I guarantee I will vote for their opponent. If they say "I have never groped someone," I will come forward. All the people saying the accusers are "Hillary supporters," no duh. The other option violated them. Although, one of them is voting for him. She still came forward. How could that possibly be the Clinton campaign if homegirl still is voting for Trump?

When I was a teenager, I worked at a local store.  The owner sexually harassed all of us.  There were smacks on the ass all the time.  I still remember one time I was waiting on a customer, and the owner came up beside me while he was passing out paychecks, and he stuck my paycheck (and his hand) in my front pocket.  Stuff like that was routine for him.  None of us ever reported it.  But I was just saying to my husband the other day that, if the Trump campaign was going on with that guy as the candidate, I would have to speak up and corroborate his pattern of behavior.  And, it goes without saying that he would not have my vote.  And talking about him makes me hope that we get a woman who worked for him to come forward.  Because not only would I have been able to, as a former employee of the pervert I worked for, speak to his harassing behavior, but, I also knew some less than ethical (and some illegal) activities he was engaging in with regard to the business.  You just know there's some former (or current) female employee out there who can not only corroborate his repulsive behavior towards women, but can also spill the beans about some of his corporate shenanigans.  

31 minutes ago, BoogieBurns said:

You know, I lived and I learned. This election cycle has been bringing it up for a lot of us, and it hasn't been pleasant. Hopefully it's motivated some voters. Also thanks, it does help. 

I think it has motivated women voters.  I saw a story earlier tonight about how in some key swing states, early voting among women is way up.  I would imagine that his attitude towards and treatment of women is the reason for that.  

[car54]

Annnnnd the Trump nightly news is now a thing on Facebook.

Trump’s Campaign Is Launching a Nightly News Show on Facebook

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Tonight, the Trump campaign is kicking off a show that will air on the candidate’s Facebook page every night at 6:30 pm ET via Facebook Live from the campaign war room at Trump Tower. The show will be hosted by Boris Epshteyn, a senior adviser to the campaign, Tomi Lahren, a conservative commentator for Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze, and Cliff Sims, another Trump adviser. In tonight’s inaugural episode they will interview Trump campaign manager KellyAnne Conway and adviser Jason Miller.

[Pixel]

Trevor Noah referred to Tomi Lahren as the most wide awake unwoke person ever. It fits. She's certainly passionate about all the stuff she gets wrong.  

[partofme]

On 10/23/2016 at 0:00 AM, millennium said:

 Dubya's election was a national rebuke against Clinton.   Shrub was elected only because many Democrats became so disgusted with Clinton that they voted against Gore in protest. 

I disagree with this, I believe that had Bill Clinton been able to run again in 2000 that he would have won by such a large margin that Bush stealing Florida wouldn't have mattered.   I believe a large part of the reason that Gore didn't win enough swing states despite winning the popular vote that Bush being able to steal Florida(that Gore actually won) mattered is because Gore didn't allow Clinton to campaign for him.  Gore lacked Clinton's charisma.   I believe it was a losing mistake, that had Clinton campaigned for Gore we wouldn't have had to deal with Bush.

Edited October 25, 2016 by partofme

[KerleyQ]

31 minutes ago, car54 said:

Annnnnd the Trump nightly news is now a thing on Facebook.

Trump’s Campaign Is Launching a Nightly News Show on Facebook

Seriously, how do I get off of this ride?  

[atomationage]

Tomi Lahren, really?  I guess she's blonde enough.  I can't listen to more than one sentence of hers at a time.  In fact, one sentence is way too much.   Drumpf's people/family/whoever are clearly grabbing the alt/right by the  privates, and the alt right likes it. 

Edited October 25, 2016 by atomationage

[random chance]

I wonder how many more slogans he's going to trot out before this is over. Make America Great Again! By joining our Movement! Which will Drain the Swamp! And then tomorrow belongs to meeeee!

Every time I see him mention his Movement I think of a bowel movement. Probably not the imagery he was shooting for.

[KerleyQ]

10 minutes ago, random chance said:

Every time I see him mention his Movement I think of a bowel movement. Probably not the imagery he was shooting for.

Ditto.  It's an appropriate image, though.  

[PatsyandEddie]

Sounds like must miss TV!  Blech

[maraleia]

5 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Russia Today, Vladimir Putin's English language propaganda arm, put out a story about the latest WikiLeaks leak of Clinton's campaign staff emails HALF an HOUR before WikiLeaks put it out.

Of course they did. Have I said how much I hate Julian Assange lately?

[Kitty Redstone]

1 hour ago, car54 said:

Annnnnd the Trump nightly news is now a thing on Facebook.

Trump’s Campaign Is Launching a Nightly News Show on Facebook

Ugh.  Yet another reason for me to stay away from Facebook.

[MulletorHater]

3 hours ago, Kitty Redstone said:

Is he the darker-haired one with the lightbulb shaped head?  If so, it was really difficult to watch him spin for his daddy after the last debate.  His eyes were so shiny and intense.  But then the other one is creepy, too, with the slicked back hair and undead looking skin.  Gah!  After this is over, I hope they all slink back to their ugly hotels and are never seen on a national stage again.

From your keyboard to the good Lord's ears!

When Uday was interviewed after the debate last week, I was horrified by his coyness as to whether he will enter politics.  I wanted to reach through the television and slap the gushing journalist for that question and putting it in the atmosphere.  The bloated tangerine patriarch is bad enough.  I can't begin to imagine these clowns running for public office.

I vaguely remember being impressed by Drumpf's kids 100 years ago.   Now, I see them as another generation of cravenness, tackiness, overly inflated sense of entitlement and woeful ignorance.  It would be different if these people had a genuine passion for public service. The fact that the Drumpf nuggets hadn't even registered to vote in New York's primary this year speaks volumes for their civic mindedness.

[Advance35]

Are You Serious

Good Lord, I'm beginning to think the Republican's should just call themselves "The Injustice League".   So this equates to Donald framing the DNC for framing him?!?!?!   I don't talk politics anywhere other than here, I just read politico on occasion but holy crap I hope word of this gets around.   I hope O'Keefe and every other insect involved goes too jail, there has to be a special place in hell  for these SOB's.

Please tell me it's November 9th and I don't have to scream in horror.   That Orange is going on trial for one of his many acts of treason or whatever and I can try and put his entire run for the oval office behind me like any other traumatic event.

And FYI Donald, neither Rubio or Cruz strike me as the forgiving type, I'd say he's just made two mortal enemies that will find a way to get even someday.  My money's especially on Teddy.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Advance35