Season 1 Discussion

[bethster2000]

I almost married a guy who could be Russ' twin brother.

Run, Paola.  Run.

[sleepyjean]

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move where she wants to move for a "career" she doesn't have & probably won't.

I agree that when you're married, you don't get to make unilateral decisions that affect the both of you. Especially not something as huge as where you will live. However, my understanding is that Pao has been modeling since they got married. So she does have a modeling career. I have no idea how lucrative it is. They are in Oklahoma after all. But isn't it possible she's been doing modeling gigs for years, and has known that there was only so far she could go with it where they live now. But with Russ unemployed, this could be a chance to take her career to a higher level.

[Sup wit dat]

When Russ was looking at Pao's pics he said they weren't as bad as he thought...until he got to the ones where she was topless.  He may be a buzzkill a lot of the time but no man wants his wife posing topless.  Unless he's a pimp.  Or Kanye West.

I noticed when she was talking to her parents she lied and said Russ didn't want her modeling lingerie.  She didn't mention topless.  Bringing her parents into their argument was childish and wrong on so many levels.

IMO Pao is too old to do high-end modeling.  The only jobs she's gonna get are the soft-porn ones, even more so since her portfolio is full of sleazy pics.  That's not a modeling portfolio, that's a sleazy magazine portfolio.  There's a huge difference.  If I were her hubby I wouldn't like it.

[ChristmasJones]

I thought the photos of Pao in the daisy dukes looked really tacky.  Those shorts just were not flattering or sexy IMO. 

I found it interesting how they edited the THs of Devar saying that when he makes more money he will support his sister, and not just when its an emergency, spliced into the scene of him on the bed with Melanie and her telling him it would only be money as needed. He was silent while she said that and never responded.

I'd like to think Devar loves her and he is going to get a good job and they will be happy together.... but the cynical side of me just doesn't believe it. I think her resentment over the financial imbalance in their relationship is just going to get worse with time.  Given that she is not independently wealthy, it just doesn't seem like a smart move to invest so much money into a guy who doesn't have any way of making a good income. Who knows if he will actually be able to get a job after he goes to school. Then there are the student loans to pay off.  It kind of makes Melanie look a bit desperate IMO.  On top of that, she spent all that money while overlooking Devar's beliefs about how he should support his family back home.  It just seems like a recipe for disaster eventually. But maybe they will prove me wrong.

[DangerousMinds]

8 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

I thought the photos of Pao in the daisy dukes looked really tacky.  Those shorts just were not flattering or sexy IMO. 

I found it interesting how they edited the THs of Devar saying that when he makes more money he will support his sister, and not just when its an emergency, spliced into the scene of him on the bed with Melanie and her telling him it would only be money as needed. He was silent while she said that and never responded.

I'd like to think Devar loves her and he is going to get a good job and they will be happy together.... but the cynical side of me just doesn't believe it. I think her resentment over the financial imbalance in their relationship is just going to get worse with time.  Given that she is not independently wealthy, it just doesn't seem like a smart move to invest so much money into a guy who doesn't have any way of making a good income. Who knows if he will actually be able to get a job after he goes to school. Then there are the student loans to pay off.  It kind of makes Melanie look a bit desperate IMO.  On top of that, she spent all that money while overlooking Devar's beliefs about how he should support his family back home.  It just seems like a recipe for disaster eventually. But maybe they will prove me wrong.

Aren't all relationships at least somewhat financially imbalanced? It is very rare to find a marriage in which both people make the exact same amount of money.

[nlkm9]

10 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

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I'd like to think Devar loves her and he is going to get a good job and they will be happy together.... but the cynical side of me just doesn't believe it. I think her resentment over the financial imbalance in their relationship is just going to get worse with time.  Given that she is not independently wealthy, it just doesn't seem like a smart move to invest so much money into a guy who doesn't have any way of making a good income. Who knows if he will actually be able to get a job after he goes to school. Then there are the student loans to pay off.  It kind of makes Melanie look a bit desperate IMO.  On top of that, she spent all that money while overlooking Devar's beliefs about how he should support his family back home.  It just seems like a recipe for disaster eventually. But maybe they will prove me wrong.

I see this so differently---I dont think melanie has any issue with the financial imbalance as long as her hard earned money is going to their family--In many ways the financial imbalance has been very good for melanie, she has called all the shots, she has spent all that money to secure herself a husband ( and thats what it is, on dr phil she all but admitted that she spent close to 40K visiting him and sending him money after she had him quit his job) and I think the resentment about the sister is real, but puffed up for drama. If he gets a really good job and starts earning his own money, and he has a green card, he could decide he is done with Bev and all the nonsense and go his own way. My personal opinion--Devar hit the jackpot with Melanie, they seem very compatible, she is unapologetic in her pursuit of the relationship and I do hope they last a long time. I almost picture the producers egging Bev on behind the scenes.... 

11 hours ago, Sup wit dat said:

When Russ was looking at Pao's pics he said they weren't as bad as he thought...until he got to the ones where she was topless.  He may be a buzzkill a lot of the time but no man wants his wife posing topless.  Unless he's a pimp.  Or Kanye West.

I noticed when she was talking to her parents she lied and said Russ didn't want her modeling lingerie.  She didn't mention topless.  Bringing her parents into their argument was childish and wrong on so many levels.

IMO Pao is too old to do high-end modeling.  The only jobs she's gonna get are the soft-porn ones, even more so since her portfolio is full of sleazy pics.  That's not a modeling portfolio, that's a sleazy magazine portfolio.  There's a huge difference.  If I were her hubby I wouldn't like it.

people can knock on Russ all they want, but I dont know too many husbands who would be happy about those photos, and she wasnt truthful with her parents. Now, if she was a victoria secrets model, that is a career...but still, they are married and he has a right to be dismayed.

[Nancybeth]

What happened to Paola's shoe company she was running with her brother?  She seems a little...flighty about her passions. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

I thought Paola had a point when she said she had given up her home country to come live with him.

I don't think she's going to be a great model, but she could be a working model for catalogs and stuff.  I still don't totally get why she has to be in Miami and not Seattle to do that, but ok.

Hubs also pointed out that Russ' work takes him into the field for 6 months at a time. So why is she not allowed the same latitude?  Because he is uncomfortable with the thought of his friends thwacking off to Pao's pictures? Dude, news alert, that's happening anyway. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

I thought Paola had a point when she said she had given up her home country to come live with him.

I don't think she's going to be a great model, but she could be a working model for catalogs and stuff.  I still don't totally get why she has to be in Miami and not Seattle to do that, but ok.

Hubs also pointed out that Russ' work takes him into the field for 6 months at a time. So why is she not allowed the same latitude?  Because he is uncomfortable with the thought of his friends thwacking off to Pao's pictures? Dude, news alert, that's happening anyway. 

Latin America is very different from the US. People there are generally warmer and less rictus about a lot of things most Americans are too uptight about.  The food, culture, and language are all different. However, they have their own things that they get upset about. Machismo is very strong there, so Paola certainly didn't like Russ behaving like that. 

[bethster2000]

Russ is the human equivalent of post-nasal drip.  Did you see the flash of petulant brat temper when Pao was on the phone with her parents?  As I said before, I almost married a man who behaved just like that.  And all I will say about it now is Thank God I Got Out.

He's nada.  Beige paint.  Pablum.  Paola can do so much better.

[Arwen Evenstar]

The human equivalent of post nasal drip!!! 

[sleepyjean]

I don't get the Russ-bashing. He was acting like a reasonable adult. He hasn't tried to forbid or prevent her from doing anything she wants. He hasn't asked her to move to Seattle. He didn't even have a job offer in Seattle, just an interview. He just wants them to make decisions as a team. And he was hurt when he expressed reservations about sexy photos and she went and did it anyway, and not only didn't tell him at the time, didn't tell him right afterward, and didn't even tell him at home, just pointed him to the website and left him to discover it on his own. Just like he knew what he was getting when he married a sexy Latina, she knew what she was getting when she married him, in terms of his values and his world view.

His reaction when she was on the phone, LYING to her parents wasn't brattiness. That was legit anger. She was mocking him, making fun of him. She knew it hurt him and she did it anyway, and laughed in his face. In my opinion, that's now how you treat someone you love. A lot of people do that mean crap and try to pass it off as teasing, but it isn't teasing when  you know you're hurting the other person and you continue to do it just for giggles.

Edited November 5, 2016 by sleepyjean

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

I don't get the Russ-bashing. He was acting like a reasonable adult. He hasn't tried to forbid or prevent her from doing anything she wants. He hasn't asked her to move to Seattle. He didn't even have a job offer in Seattle, just an interview. He just wants them to make decisions as a team. And he was hurt when he expressed reservations about sexy photos and she went and did it anyway, and not only didn't tell him at the time, didn't tell him right afterward, and didn't even tell him at home, just pointed him to the website and left him to discover it on his own. Just like he knew what he was getting when he married a sexy Latina, she knew what she was getting when she married him, in terms of his values and his world view.

I don't dislike Russ, but he seems too white bread, too vanilla, and too conservative for me. Basically, like 75% of the oil and gas engineers I've worked with.  There's someone for everyone, and in terms of looks in oil and gas, he's a strong 6.5 to 7. 

He married a fiery Latina, who is loud, emotional, and likes to wear revealing clothing.  He knew that from the get go.  He's not going to change who she is, and she won't change him, either.

[NoSpam]

22 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

A lot of people do that mean crap and try to pass it off as teasing, but it isn't teasing when  you know you're hurting the other person and you continue to do it just for giggles.

Yep, that's sadism.

[Drogo]

My wife was doing some tasteful lingerie modeling when we met.  Bloomingdales. Never bothered me. 

That said, I wouldn't have been comfortable with her taking shots like Paola's.

[KateHearts]

On 11/4/2016 at 4:35 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

I thought Paola had a point when she said she had given up her home country to come live with him.

This seems to come up with every couple at some point.  Yes, she had.  But they both knew it and went into it wide-eyed.  I don't like when they pull it up for the sake of getting their way.

 

On 11/4/2016 at 4:35 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

Hubs also pointed out that Russ' work takes him into the field for 6 months at a time.

Well, his work DID until she called and cried about being lonely while he was out on a job and he packed up and came home early.  Surprise... he then lost his job.

When the K1 visa doesn't allow the "incoming" fiance to work, then the host fiance (American) has to support them.  Which is going to be hard. But again- they would expect this, right? 

[DangerousMinds]

IN real life, I doubt all the foreign spouses come here penniless, and they can usually get their US  work permits fairly quickly.

[gonecrackers]

4 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

His reaction when she was on the phone, LYING to her parents wasn't brattiness. That was legit anger. She was mocking him, making fun of him. She knew it hurt him and she did it anyway, and laughed in his face. In my opinion, that's now how you treat someone you love. A lot of people do that mean crap and try to pass it off as teasing, but it isn't teasing when  you know you're hurting the other person and you continue to do it just for giggles.

I was hurt for him while that was going on, & angry too. And the tantrum she had slamming doors, running from the conversations he was trying to have, chanting, "I'm done, I'm done", because he wasn't immediately agreeing with her; & she'll just go 'pop out babies' to make them all happy? All this because her husband was expressing concerns. It was all absurdly childish & nasty. And she's in love with this man? I can't imagine if she doesn't like someone.

She chose to marry. She's not supposed to be living only for herself anymore. She's 30 acting like 17. She should've been over this years ago.

As I mentioned this would probably be very different if the tables were turned- if he did that to her she'd probably do a 'Bobbit' on him. He might even be called abusive for it, & I would have to agree.

[charmed1]

On November 2, 2016 at 10:29 AM, gunderda said:

That is totally his sister.  She looks EXACTLY like him.  She's Devar with a wig and boobs.

Exactly like him. She looks more like him than his other sisters. They look like twins. They're both probably very close in age, and with their mother far away in another country, Devar probably took on a parental role with his sister and hasn't let up.

I haven't forgotten Hogatha..err...Beverly's assertion that Jamaican men were out to scheme white women. Not American. Not Western. Just White. She's not a straight shooter, she's a bitch. She's a real life Mayella Ewell in ogre form. Devar telling her she needed to worry about her own life seemed to hit a nerve. I wonder if her own marriage is surviving.

Pao is gorgeous, but those photos didn't really do her any favors. Those photos look like the kind that resurface to blackmail somebody. 

There are no words to describe Danielle and Mohammed. It seems like every episode, we're introduced to one of his new "friends." I'd really like to know what Danielle's goal is. Does she really think this fool will come back to her if she texts him enough?

[Hamburger Earmuffs]

On 11/3/2016 at 9:15 PM, Sup wit dat said:

When Russ was looking at Pao's pics he said they weren't as bad as he thought...until he got to the ones where she was topless.  He may be a buzzkill a lot of the time but no man wants his wife posing topless.  Unless he's a pimp.  Or Kanye West.

I noticed when she was talking to her parents she lied and said Russ didn't want her modeling lingerie.  She didn't mention topless.  Bringing her parents into their argument was childish and wrong on so many levels.

IMO Pao is too old to do high-end modeling.  The only jobs she's gonna get are the soft-porn ones, even more so since her portfolio is full of sleazy pics.  That's not a modeling portfolio, that's a sleazy magazine portfolio.  There's a huge difference.  If I were her hubby I wouldn't like it.

Not all men are jealous and insecure about their wives/girlfriends having sexy photos done of them. I didnt have a problem when my Finnish wife did that. Probably because I dont have a stick up my ass Puritan worldview and am secure in my relationship.

[KateHearts]

Just started watching and I seriously want to punch Loren in the face.  She gets whinier and whinier with each episode (watch their season in the beginning- she had a lot more personality) and the vocal fry ("ohmygod this isn't happeninnnnggggg") is like nails on a chalkboard.  I wonder if she was adopted... she looks nothing like her parents or sister and they cater so much to her. (Maybe it's her "deepest darkest secret," the Tourette's?)  She said something early on when they were waiting on the K1 like "If anyone deserves to be together, it's us!"  Honey, no one deserves special treatment in this life. We all work hard and we all have to suffer some pain.  You just aren't such a special snowflake.

Poor, poor Danielle.  She just doesn't see how the world works. "I'm hopin' that this will turn out to be a fun vacation for me and Mohammed."  Girl, if those texts and calls are going through and you aren't getting a response, the reason is pretty obvious!

[Quof]

I think Loren looks exactly like her mother.

[KateHearts]

As for Paola, she embodies everything I dislike about the way women can manipulate men (or perhaps anyone can manipulate another person)- she mocks him, she tells half-truths to her family to get them to side with her, she belittles him, she refuses to discuss things in an adult manner then storms off announcing "I'm done with this conversation."  

11 hours ago, Hamburger Earmuffs said:

Probably because I dont have a stick up my ass Puritan worldview and am secure in my relationship.

Um, ok then.

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[ExplainItAgain]

Shaun Robinson is AWFUL. Like seriously, she's the worst interviewer ever.

[Virtually Me]

Just now, ExplainItAgain said:

Shaun Robinson is AWFUL. Like seriously, she's the worst interviewer ever.

Her style is consistent with the poor quality of Season 4.

[Major Bigtime]

Danielle and her file folders, reading a speech on the sidewalk. Oh, the humanity....

[BradandJanet]

I've invested 2.5 hours this evening on the 90-day couples, but I must turn off the tell-all show now. There's only so much of the Mo-Danielle drama that I can take. It's morphed out of entertainment into a potential crime scene. One of them will have a gig on the  ID channel soon enough. 

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[spankydoll]

2 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

I've invested 2.5 hours this evening on the 90-day couples, but I must turn off the tell-all show now. There's only so much of the Mo-Danielle drama that I can take. It's morphed out of entertainment into a potential crime scene. One of them will have a gig on the  ID channel soon enough. 

The conversation about Pao and her mess is worth hanging in there for.

[Virtually Me]

I'm finding the reaction of the other cast members to DaniMo interesting.  The imports better be careful.  What's happening to them could visit upon them, too.

[Samurai X]

Its kind of annoying some of the cast being on their high horses. Especially when they don't have the whole picture. Not saying Mo isn't scum, but I don't think Dani is totally innocent.

[kacesq]

I too turned off the tell all. I know Danielle and Mo were the star attraction but i really don't want to see the other couples start in on them as well.  Especially Mel. She grates on me something fierce and I think Devar is just a more polished and better acting Mo.

[Cherrio]

1 minute ago, Samurai X said:

Its kind of annoying some of the cast being on their high horses. Especially when they don't have the whole picture. Not saying Mo isn't scum, but I don't think Dani is totally innocent.

Totally agree.  The only exception is that he knew he could scam her originally and did, so he got what he deserved.  He scammed and he got the real Danielle in return.

   Wouldn't it be great if next week, the Immigration police arrested him on the set and drag him away.   Bye, Tunisia Felicia !

[Virtually Me]

1 minute ago, Cherrio said:

   Wouldn't it be great if next week, the Immigration police arrested him on the set and drag him away.   Bye, Tunisia Felicia !

Not really.  It would violate the law.

[Cherrio]

3 minutes ago, Virtually Me said:

Not really.  It would violate the law.

It's a joke and wishful thinking

[Virtually Me]

Just now, Cherrio said:

It's a joke and wishful thinking

I read it with my lawyer brain lol

[sleepyjean]

Super disingenuous of Paolo to act like she doesn't know  that dropping her husband's name after two years of marriage is a huge slap in the face to him. Its a rejection . all of a sudden every unilateral decision she wants to make is all about her "rights" as a woman. Yes she has the right to do whatever she wants, but it's clear she does not consider russ at all. She really does not care how her decisions affect him or how he feels. He's trying really hard to support her without being a complete doormat but it's clear she is running the show and that marriage isn't a partnership. Russ obviously  does not want a divorce, but after what we saw today, I think it's inevitable . 

Edited November 7, 2016 by sleepyjean

[For Cereals]

I don't disagree with Russ and his feelings, but I take issue when I hear "allow," or that Pao needs "approval."  That modeling contract wash really sketchy.  She shouldn't have to pay, and how long do they get to take 20% from other agencies she books with?  I'll bet she's not going to make much of anything when all is said and done.  Be outraged about that vs. a little side boob.

I was waiting to hear that they had evidence of Mo trying to scam others before Danielle.

[jumper sage]

I hate that they air all 3 episodes as 1 episode.  3 hours, really?

I had no idea that Danielle had the criminal record.  Mo is a scum but so is she. 

Last name - aside from changing it back and forth, keeping ones last name is no big deal.  You can file for an alias and use both names.  Example your own last name for work and the alias for your kid's school.

[Virtually Me]

3 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

I had no idea that Danielle had the criminal record.  Mo is a scum but so is she. 

There's a lot left out of the show that weigh the scenes against Mo.  Her record goes back more than a decade.  She makes very bad choices. 

[newyorkgirl]

I knew that Alexei's friends were going to attend the wedding. The reason they were so mean is because they love him and miss him.  I don't understand why they directed that anger toward poor Loren instead of towards Alexei. She didn't have anything to do with him not staying in touch with them.   Also, I don't understand why Loren doesn't live in Israel. She didn't have a good job.  She doesn't have a super close family or friend network that will be devastated without her.   She can easily attain Israeli citizenship and get a job.   There are English-speaking jobs that she can get while she is studying Hebrew.

As for Kyle moving to Thailand, he is right.  He has nothing in the US. I hope that he has a lot of savings.  I imagine that the cost of living is lower but he cannot expect Noon's parents to support them. I don't know what Noon's education/profession is. Hopefully she can easily find work.  It was funny how he talked about never being able to fit in in Thailand.  How does he think Noon feels in Minnesota? How does he think immigrants feel in the US?  LOL.  Now he knows what millions of people go through every day in his country.  In fact, even people who are born here are treated as foreigners if they don't "look American."  This goes to show people that every woman (or man) who comes to the US for a fiance is not just looking for a green card.  Also, America is not the savior of the wo 

Danielle is so crazy to have ignored all of the signs from Mohammed. The only thing she had over him was that annulment and she backed out of it because he told her that they would be friends.  LOL at "American police."  I am glad that she was not charged but what difference does it make if she were outside compared to inside?  In any case, she is hurting her case by acting crazy. The judge is going to believe that Mohammed was sincere but that he had to leave because of her behavior. They won't realize that he is the one that made her crazy.  Ok- crazier.  I think that her efforts are too little too late.  I don't see him getting deported.   Where does he get money for all of these trips and for an apartment and for a car???? Am I the only person who thinks this is odd?

Paola's contract sucks. LOL.  I hope that this show is a lesson to all of the men who are looking for non-American women because American women are too independent/educated/opinionated.   Why does she have to live with her friend?  I thought that she and her husband would go together!  <sigh>

I am so excited for the reunion!!!

[Virtually Me]

Nevermind.  Posted on a spoiler thread.

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[Bunnygirl]

4 hours ago, Cherrio said:

Totally agree.  The only exception is that he knew he could scam her originally and did, so he got what he deserved.  He scammed and he got the real Danielle in return.

   Wouldn't it be great if next week, the Immigration police arrested him on the set and drag him away.   Bye, Tunisia Felicia !

Bye Tunisia Felicia!  Lol!!!!

[trimthatfat]

Paola's ego has gotten quite big. She seems convinced that she's going to be the next Gisele. She's 30, she looks just like a lot of other aspiring models in Miami, and she obviously has no concept of how a real  modeling agency works if she's willing to pay fees to work with them. And honestly, the pictures Paola took did not look professional at all. It looked like the work of an amateur photographer and a very amateur model. I also find it annoying that she is so upset that Russ isn't comfortable with nude/topless photos. She said she'd never done anything like that before and I get the impression that they never discussed boundaries prior to that point. IDK, I used to think Paola was adorable, but her attitude isn't cute. Even choosing to change her last name so abruptly makes me think she's already planning on making an exit. I hope it's worth it to her because I can't imagine she'll go far as a model.

I have a feeling Noon's plan was to return to Thailand after getting a green card all along. She knew Kyle would do anything to make her happy. Kyle looks miserable to me most of the time...I really hope he finds happiness.

[winsomeone]

But Dani had to buy food and stuff with the stolen credit card, so that gives her a pass. I don't like Mo, but no one listened to his side of the story. His English makes it hard for him to get across what he means at times. Sounds like she is incontinent of urine when she has sex, but they didn't want to hear that. If so, Mo is right, she does need to see a doctor before having sex with a man.

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[Major Bigtime]

No one, not even Danielle, gets a pass for using a stolen credit card. That's a criminal act. If she needed food, she can go to a food pantry or apply for food stamps. Or stop spending thousands to bring Mo to the U.S., and keep her money where it's needed.

[BradandJanet]

I gave up at10:33. I didn't like Mo confronted by the rest of the cast asking if he's gay. What do they expect him to say anyway? Loren needs to shut up.

"Power reversal" "I'm allowing her to leave"-Russ and "I want to be a model in Miami" "It's who I aaaamm" -Paola are equally annoying. That agency will vacuum out Russ and Paola's savings, and she'll be lucky to get an offer to show dildos in a sex-toy catalog. Still, she'll be happier in Miami than in Nowhere, OK. Russ should go where he can find a job. That's probably not Miami.

Noon seems very homesick, and she says her family will take Kyle in as one of their own, adopt him maybe. I don't know if Noon will ever live in the U.S. 

[Granny58]

On 11/1/2016 at 8:04 AM, millennium said:

Danielle and Mohammed:  Danielle is like the Terminator.   She learns Mohammed's address and is immediately out the door to hunt him down.   It's a novel twist on the old saying: If Mohammed won't come to the mountain, the mountain must go to Mohammed.

LOL.  Brilliant post. 

[escapetoreality]

Question -- does the joint admission on TV of having consummated the marriage defeat the annulment? I realize we are not in the Middle Ages but am not sure what the standard is for an annulment if not a failure to consummate.  Mo seems pretty shrewd so maybe he made it a point to answer that question directly rather than deflect it. 

[Granny58]

On 11/5/2016 at 1:28 AM, bethster2000 said:

Did you see the flash of petulant brat temper when Pao was on the phone with her parents?  

I don't think that was unreasonable.  That was very disrespectful to him.  If my husband had done that to me I would be furious too.  I can take a reasonable discussion...I cannot take mockery.  

[nlkm9]

can anyone remember how long ago devars mom  left for the US and why? All I remember is when he visited her it was revealed he had been trying to come to the US for several years and stopped trying when he met Melanie.

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