S08.E20: Say It Ain't So

[KungFuBunny]

40 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Was it real sushi and CS or, like the ceviche, vegetarian?

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Speaking from behind a penis?

IF I was going to my favorite hangout and swap spit with a woman in a hotel bar, I sure as fuck wouldn't chance a case of blue balls. At Tom's age? It might kill him?

I'd have 'made out' for 10 and taken the slag up to the room and done her until she walked out the next morning, bowlegged. (I am not that coarse, but for the sake of all the people who think Tom is a pig, I have to present it as such?)

IF Tom's intent was to knock a piece off the little lady, Why didn't Meth Frankel, Private Dick (emphasis on the word DICK) dig up a room number, receipt for the room or some photos of O Tommy Boy walking his gal up to a room?

From what I understand there are three photos with a timestamp and Tommy's mug isn't visible, but the back of his head is and it belongs to Tom Terrific?

Nope, there are too many what-if's to complete the 'picture'.

What we are led to believe is that over the course of two hours Tom and the woman swapped spit and that was it?

I think that they coven is upset that they don't have 'more' incriminating evidence to throw in her face - like actual video of his nasty ass in action?

I don't think it was vegetarian ceviche since there was no waiter nearby for Bethenny to yell at to take it away.

According to Luanne from an interview 2 days ago. Tom and Luanne got into an argument. He left and went to the bar and bumped into an old girlfriend. He's a guy and all guys make mistakes. Tom is also devastated.

Bethenny in her Megan PI report said that Tom left the girl with the tab. So maybe his motive was tongue for booze?

[KungFuBunny]

42 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Here, some Bunny Luv,  REAL snacks, not that tofu shit.

Thank you for my murky 8 carrots...LUV LUV LUV

Everybody is welcome to join the festivities.

Myself - I want to see the wedding of Tom/Luanne and if it is Bravo sponsored then the guest list must include ALL of the cast members. What statement necklace will Luanne wear? I;m thinking maybe instead of the veil on top of her head...she wears it around her neck like a choker and it's 30 feet long

[bosawks]

10 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't think it was vegetarian ceviche since there was no waiter nearby for Bethenny to yell at to take it away.

According to Luanne from an interview 2 days ago. Tom and Luanne got into an argument. He left and went to the bar and bumped into an old girlfriend. He's a guy and all guys make mistakes. Tom is also devastated.

Bethenny in her Megan PI report said that Tom left the girl with the tab. So maybe his motive was tongue for booze?

Soooo, it's actually Tom who's the whore and all for some free drinks......

[ElDosEquis]

18 hours ago, ryebread said:

Whenever I think of Tom, and what he's done and who he is - all I can think is:  "WTF, Lu? Why?"  

Because I just can't imagine why.

Why is she okay with being treated like this.  I mean, even if it were George Clooney with a big, fat wallet and a pecker to match, still nope.  But it's not Clooney.  It's...Tom.

Fine. Give him another chance if you're that desperate tolerant.  But why the mad dash to the aisle?  Still say they aren't going to make it that far, though - I want to believe she's smarter than that.

Love is mysterious shit.

It makes people do and accept some funky ass bullshit from their SOs?

Watch a few episodes of "COPS" - especially the "Domestic Violence Top Ten" shows.

You have people with restraining orders inviting the morons back into the house, only to call the cops on him later on.

Love's a mystery (I don't understand).

[notnowimbusy]

Other than production wanting all the women together so they could look shocked, gossip, and be involved, why if B waited, after already telling everyone else, until the last minute - while everyone was packing to leave, did she chose that moment to tell LU?   Why not wait until they were back in NY?  She could have done a one on one.   But, no, by telling her when she did, B once again made it about her too. 

[KungFuBunny]

5 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Soooo, it's actually Tom who's the whore and all for some free drinks......

I don't care...I just wanna watch..pass the popcorn

Look I chew like Carole

[ElDosEquis]

17 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't think it was vegetarian ceviche since there was no waiter nearby for Bethenny to yell at to take it away.

According to Luanne from an interview 2 days ago. Tom and Luanne got into an argument. He left and went to the bar and bumped into an old girlfriend. He's a guy and all guys make mistakes. Tom is also devastated.

Bethenny in her Megan PI report said that Tom left the girl with the tab. So maybe his motive was tongue for booze?

Hokay, that did it........

For AGES I have heard about women 'Not needing a man' or the damn "fish needs a bicycle" argument.

(BTW, Fish can travel by bicycle, they just suck at pedaling)

So, what is the big deal about a woman being 'left' with a bill?

I am SURE that the Mystery Woman would have been more than insulted to know that Tommy swapped spit with her, stiffed her with the bill and ended up with Lulu.

Hell hath no fury - I am sure if that women felt used or taken advantage of, she'd crank up the old wireless set and let the world know what an asshole Tom is.

All the furor and angst is coming from the Peanut Gallery, not the actual cast?

[KungFuBunny]

2 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Hokay, that did it........

For AGES I have heard about women 'Not needing a man' or the damn "fish needs a bicycle" argument.

(BTW, Fish can travel by bicycle, they just suck at pedaling)

So, what is the big deal about a woman being 'left' with a bill?

I am SURE that the Mystery Woman would have been more than insulted to know that Tommy swapped spit with her, stiffed her with the bill and ended up with Lulu.

Hell hath no fury - I am sure if that women felt used or taken advantage of, she'd crank up the old wireless set and let the world know what an asshole Tom is.

All the furor and angst is coming from the Peanut Gallery, not the actual cast?

Err....have no idea I just remember Bethenny saying on the episode he left her with the bill. So she never said they went to a room together..just they made out for 2 hours and he was drunk and left the girl with the tab..

I dunno if mystery old girlfriend of Tom's is mad. Maybe in exchange for paying the tab she expected his tongue elsewhere? Or maybe she was hoping to go  reverse cowboy on Tom the Village Bicycle? I'm waiting for her interview to come out.

[ElDosEquis]

9 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Err....have no idea I just remember Bethenny saying on the episode he left her with the bill. So she never said they went to a room together..just they made out for 2 hours and he was drunk and left the girl with the tab..

I dunno if mystery old girlfriend of Tom's is mad. Maybe in exchange for paying the tab she expected his tongue elsewhere? Or maybe she was hoping to go  reverse cowboy on Tom the Village Bicycle? I'm waiting for her interview to come out.

Reverse Bicycle on the Village Cowboy?

That would be a GREAT C&W song...

 

I was at my favorite watering hole

Sitting at the bar, catching the show

When a little Filly showed me her trot

And that got this old stud a mighty hot

 

We both were parched and what was missing?

A little booze? A little kissing?

But one thing that would give me joy

was a reverse bicycle on this old cowboy?

 

Go easy there, I ain't a ship

I'm old and brittle so are my hips!

If we don't make it, after the swill

I'll make sure you do get the bill!

 

LOL, It would be a Village People Song - the Indian on a bike, chasing the Cowboy all over the stage.

[ElDosEquis]

44 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Soooo, it's actually Tom who's the whore and all for some free drinks......

I have been bought with appetizers, but I didn't put out.

Now, if you ply me with sake and sushi, I may have a change of heart?

[bosawks]

8 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I have been bought with appetizers, but I didn't put out.

Now, if you ply me with sake and sushi, I may have a change of heart?

On the right day I can be bought for a stale piece of gum and a flat beer........

[ZaldamoWilder]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

IF Tom's intent was to knock a piece off the little lady, Why didn't Meth Frankel, Private Dick (emphasis on the word DICK) dig up a room number, receipt for the room or some photos of O Tommy Boy walking his gal up to a room?

From what I understand there are three photos with a timestamp and Tommy's mug isn't visible, but the back of his head is and it belongs to Tom Terrific?

Nope, there are too many what-if's to complete the 'picture'.

What we are led to believe is that over the course of two hours Tom and the woman swapped spit and that was it?

I think that they coven is upset that they don't have 'more' incriminating evidence to throw in her face - like actual video of his nasty ass in action?

True, the back of his head could belong to anybody, but he's also shown profile.   Lu texted him the picture and even given time to stall and craft an elaborate lie, he confessed.   Bars are public and crowdy so grabbing a pic surreptitiously isn't a problem.   Holding up the camera to take a steady stream of video is going to be noticeable.   Except to, like Peter Thomas.    So just to be clear, are we saying presenting, or whether or not to present, evidence of cheating is less forgivable than the cheating?

35 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Hokay, that did it........

For AGES I have heard about women 'Not needing a man' or the damn "fish needs a bicycle" argument.

(BTW, Fish can travel by bicycle, they just suck at pedaling)

So, what is the big deal about a woman being 'left' with a bill?

I am SURE that the Mystery Woman would have been more than insulted to know that Tommy swapped spit with her, stiffed her with the bill and ended up with Lulu.

Hell hath no fury - I am sure if that women felt used or taken advantage of, she'd crank up the old wireless set and let the world know what an asshole Tom is.

All the furor and angst is coming from the Peanut Gallery, not the actual cast?

She needn't bother. 

[ElDosEquis]

13 minutes ago, bosawks said:

On the right day I can be bought for a stale piece of gum and a flat beer........

Hell, I can afford a new piece of gum and a can o' PBR...no need to go looking for gum under the desk. ; )

[ElDosEquis]

21 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

    So just to be clear, are we saying presenting, or whether or not to present, evidence of cheating is less forgivable than the cheating?

 

I don't know. I am not Tom or Lu. They seem to be fairly bright people able to figure out things tween their own bad selves?

They say the cover up is worse than the sin - but when the sinning doesn't involve me, I don't think about it, I have my own sins and penance to worry about..

I don't see how Tommy's shenanigans has anything to do with that cabrona metiche - Doesn't she have a divorce, a new man, a bleeding culo, a swill empire and a small child to look after?

To sin is human, to forgive is way over my pay grade?

My problem is with someone calling me names one week and try to help me protect my heart next week?

I'd tend to be more open with someone who was my friend, NOT some pretend human being with my 'best interest' in mind?

Edited August 26, 2016 by ElDosEquis
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[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I don't know. I am not Tom or Lu. They seem to be fairly bright people able to figure out things tween their own bad selves?

They say the cover up is worse than the sin - but when the sinning doesn't involve me, I don't think about it, I have my own sins and penance to do.

From reading Carole's blog, Luann and Tom are never to be forgiven for not breaking up.  Someone thinks a little too highly of herself and some of her castmates' opinions.  This has risen to all sorts of level of ridiculousness.  This is something that happened six months ago, they moved past it time for the rest to do the same.   I am quite certain that not one of these ladies has not regretted a date where they misbehaved, had a little too much to drink and maybe made a wrong choice that night.  Maybe Luann regrets not forgiving someone in the past and felt like she lost a true love.    Certainly, Ramona has been there done that.  It doesn't matter if you give a second shot to a long time cheater like Mario, or a kissing bandit like Tom, the forgiveness comes from the forgivers feelings about the person. 

[QuinnM]

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How are your products doing?  From what I've seen of your product placement in Liquor stores, not so much. 

Products are doing fine.  They are all over Walmart.  Target can't keep the popcorn in stock.  I see more and more of her SG in both of the liquor stores in my neighborhood.  So I don't think she needs to worry at all.  i know that there are more products in the pipeline but that doesn't happen over night.  From the clip of the reunion Lu is going with that tired old chestnut that Bethenny and Shields are both still married, ergo she is dating a married man.  Yes, Luann that completely explains your fiance sucking face with a old friend in your regular watering hole. 

I would like to point out to Jules and Dorinda that the only difference between Carol with Bethenny and Carol without Bethenny is that Carol talks shit to the camera when she doesn't have Bethenny to talk shit with.  Her mood in the sandbar adventure was definitely negative.  There were eyerolls and grumpy face and then the hot dog debacle.

[ElDosEquis]

6 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

From reading Carole's blog, Luann and Tom are never to be forgiven for not breaking up.  Someone thinks a little too highly of herself and some of her castmates' opinions.  This has risen to all sorts of level of ridiculousness.  This is something that happened six months ago, they moved past it time for the rest to do the same.   I am quite certain that not one of these ladies has not regretted a date where they misbehaved, had a little too much to drink and maybe made a wrong choice that night.  Maybe Luann regrets not forgiving someone in the past and felt like she lost a true love.    Certainly, Ramona has been there done that.  It doesn't matter if you give a second shot to a long time cheater like Mario, or a kissing bandit like Tom, the forgiveness comes from the forgivers feelings about the person. 

This comes from a person with 3.5 good summers left?

I can kinda forgive them for the rehashing? It took that long for the epi to get edited?

Every relationship is different and had it's own fits and starts.

What is 'acceptable' to me, probably makes someone else effing nuts?

I have to chuckle at the 'misbehaving date' scenario and am glad I have had one or two.

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The other thing that gave me a HUGE belly laugh was the reveal that beffy was doing the dirty with a married man.

That reminded me of all the asshole (fill in your own blanks here) who rail and moan on a certain topic, then take it on the chin.

Example? The NEXT time you hear a politician or preacher screaming about pot, drinking, sex or ?????

Don't be surprised when they get caught up in a scandal -on whatever topic they chose to scream about. It seems that they do know what they are talking about, they pull the same shit in their lives?

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

Love is mysterious shit.

It makes people do and accept some funky ass bullshit from their SOs?

Watch a few episodes of "COPS" - especially the "Domestic Violence Top Ten" shows.

You have people with restraining orders inviting the morons back into the house, only to call the cops on him later on.

Love's a mystery (I don't understand).

For real. People act like it's a brand new mystery.

[Knuckles]

Just one mo' thing. I went to read Carole's blog, which is a badly written attempt at snark (she needs film noire as a ghostwriter) and the sushi thing at Bethy's is the video...and old Bethy says, hey, quelle surprise, Lu isn't texting or calling me?

As Carole mumbles along while shoving food in her face, Bethy says," I wonder if suddenly I've become the devil to her".

Nothing sudden about it, bitch.

[breezy424]

8 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

And I think it was at the reunion when someone blurted out that "he was wearing a ring" but ya know what.... it sounded like a last minute thrown in "fact" just to give the accusation a little more punch but I don't believe anyone saw first hand whether or not he had a ring on. Hell I doubt anyone even got that little detail secondhand either, ya know from the house manager. I think it was an assumption that couldn't be challenged so it was thrown in the mix to make it seem worse. That's how these chick roll.

It was Kristen who said in Turks that the house manager told her the guy was wearing a ring.  And IIRC Lu's (or maybe So) response was that shit happens and Lu didn't deny it.  But it goes back to Beth and some of the others assuming because he had a ring on that Lu is guilty and is responsible.  She didn't make a vow to his 'wife'.  The guy with the ring on did and none of them knew (except maybe Lu) what the status was of that relationship. 

It just shows Beth's hypocrisy.  She can judge without facts but how dare anyone judge her relationship with a married man without 'facts'.

Edited August 26, 2016 by breezy424

[ButterQueen]

I am just starting to watch last week's episode.  It makes me ill watching Beth, Sonja, and Ramona just waiting to dump on LuAnn.  I'm not sure I can finish the episode, much less watch this week's episode.  I wish Beth, Sonja and Ramona would just get off my television.  I may skip the reunion.

I'm mourning my fave housewife show!  : ((

Oh, and I love how this is somehow all about Sonja.

Edited August 26, 2016 by ButterQueen

[Bebecat]

 I lost a lotta love for Somja over the whole bereaved act

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, ButterQueen said:

I am just starting to watch last week's episode.  It makes me ill watching Beth, Sonja, and Ramona just waiting to dump on LuAnn.  I'm not sure I can finish the episode, much less watch this week's episode.  I wish Beth, Sonja and Ramona would just get off my television.  I may skip the reunion.

I'm mourning my fave housewife show!  : ((

Oh, and I love how this is somehow all about Sonja.

I about nearly died when Sonja said that this kiss was just going to be one more thing for Lu to deal with and that Lu still hadn't dealt with Tom dating her! And than ending the TH that she was happy as long as Lu was happy. They must do all these THS where lightening can't strike.

Edited August 27, 2016 by biakbiak

[ladle]

Is it just me or did Ramona's eyes become more and more feline as the episode progressed?

[notnowimbusy]

Ramona needs to ditch those awful extensions.  She thinks she looks amazing, but she just looks oddly desperate to be young.  The arched back poses also need to go.  Yes, we all know you had your boobs done, but you look stupid when posing.   The best she ever looked was at her vow renewal - shorter hair, appropriate dresses.  Now she seems to be too far into hair extensions and crocheted dresses.

[jumper sage]

19 minutes ago, notnowimbusy said:

Ramona needs to ditch those awful extensions.  She thinks she looks amazing, but she just looks oddly desperate to be young.  The arched back poses also need to go.  Yes, we all know you had your boobs done, but you look stupid when posing.   The best she ever looked was at her vow renewal - shorter hair, appropriate dresses.  Now she seems to be too far into hair extensions and crocheted dresses.

Ramona is a cartoon character and nothing more.

What got my goat during this episode is when Lu said that Tom has 2 kids and a dog.  Her kids have a dad.  They are a little too old for a stepfather.  My dad married when we were all adults and we refer to her as our father's wife.  She is a lovely person with her own grown kids.  I hate when people try to rewrite history and push things.

[biakbiak]

1 hour ago, jumper sage said:

Ramona is a cartoon character and nothing more.

What got my goat during this episode is when Lu said that Tom has 2 kids and a dog.  Her kids have a dad.  They are a little too old for a stepfather.  My dad married when we were all adults and we refer to her as our father's wife.  She is a lovely person with her own grown kids.  I hate when people try to rewrite history and push things.

Who knows how the kids want to refer to Tom but I know several people whos parents got remarried when they were in college and a few call the mom and dad, some people call them their step parent, and others call them their parents spouse and that was a decision that the families made for themselves but all of them consider them part of the same family which is exactly what Lu said.

Edited August 27, 2016 by biakbiak

[ladle]

You know, I thought it was very telling that when Bethenny went into her little spiel about how all the men attached to the housewives are so awful, the thing she said about John was that he was "a dry cleaner, dipped in cologne."  A dry cleaner.  Tons of negative--and accurate--things she could have said about John.  Talks too much, pushy, controversial, rude, doesn't get along with Dorinda's friends... but... "dry cleaner." 

I'm sure B. would spin it if she got any flack about it, but I thought that was one of the more blatantly classist moments on this show. 

[Bebecat]

Bethany def showed her snobbiness over John...

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, breezy424 said:

It was Kristen who said in Turks that the house manager told her the guy was wearing a ring.  And IIRC Lu's (or maybe So) response was that shit happens and Lu didn't deny it.  But it goes back to Beth and some of the others assuming because he had a ring on that Lu is guilty and is responsible.  She didn't make a vow to his 'wife'.  The guy with the ring on did and none of them knew (except maybe Lu) what the status was of that relationship. 

It just shows Beth's hypocrisy.  She can judge without facts but how dare anyone judge her relationship with a married man without 'facts'.

Lu said at the reunion that she knew he was married, and they discussed it during the make-out session. He was separated or unhappy, or something (I cannot remember which). Of course she came up with this after the fact, per usual for Lu. She mentioned none of this at the scene of the crime. 

[RedheadZombie]

Did I see Bethenny's chauffeur attending her party?  I'm sure Lu was horrified that the help was mingling with his betters. 

8 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I don't care...I just wanna watch..pass the popcorn

Look I chew like Carole

I've spent far too much time thinking on this subject.  I suspect that Carole's considerable jaw misalignment prevents her from eating in a more dainty manner.  It looks like an effort to completely close her mouth with her lips touching.  I also find it hard to believe that nasty super-snob Lee wouldn't have humiliated Carole into eating "properly"'if it was possible. 

[breezy424]

13 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Lu said at the reunion that she knew he was married, and they discussed it during the make-out session. He was separated or unhappy, or something (I cannot remember which). Of course she came up with this after the fact, per usual for Lu. She mentioned none of this at the scene of the crime. 

But why should she have to talk about this at the time or explain it to the other women?  Why does she 'owe' them that?  The argument was about bringing strange men back to the house and Heather and Carole coming into her room. 

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Lu said at the reunion that she knew he was married, and they discussed it during the make-out session. He was separated or unhappy, or something (I cannot remember which). Of course she came up with this after the fact, per usual for Lu. She mentioned none of this at the scene of the crime. 

Luann said they talked about their marriages and divorces. She didn't say much at all about him that morning because Sonja cut her off.

58 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

But why should she have to talk about this at the time or explain it to the other women?  Why does she 'owe' them that?  The argument was about bringing strange men back to the house and Heather and Carole coming into her room. 

The thing that bothered me the most was that this whole argument started because of Ramona letting the naked guy sleep in the room adjacent to Heather's/Carole's room without giving them a heads up first and then she, Ramona, tried to blame Luann for him being there. No one held Ramona's feet to the fire, no one! Once again she skated! LOL

[UsernameFatigue]

2 hours ago, jumper sage said:

Ramona is a cartoon character and nothing more.

What got my goat during this episode is when Lu said that Tom has 2 kids and a dog.  Her kids have a dad.  They are a little too old for a stepfather.  My dad married when we were all adults and we refer to her as our father's wife.  She is a lovely person with her own grown kids.  I hate when people try to rewrite history and push things.

I rolled my eyes at that as well. At the point that this was filmed, TomCat had been dating Lu for less than three months, and engaged for a couple of weeks. I doubt even the dog considered Tom to be a part of the family, let alone her adult children. Did make me wonder though if Lu considered the woman that the count dumped her for to be her children's new co-mummy? Must have, as I think the count was in a relationship longer with the mistress at that point than Lu has been with TomCat. But again, that is Lu trying create an insta family in a matter of weeks. 

[bravofan27]

I think Tom was set up. Bethanny paid someone to hit on him, get him drunk, and then take off. That's how she knew the exact times, and got someone else to take pictures. I'm on Tom's side on this. I can't believe Luanne ever believed a word out of Bethanny's mouth. THe only reason this could have happened is if Bethanny set it up. SHe needs a life

[AnnaMayWong]

I don't understand how THIS❗ has turned into 'What Should Lu Do' ?

 

Bethenney™ has been minimizing, demeaning, and dementedly insulting cast members, their significant others, her azz-likkers, and her bum-dwellers left' n right ALL SEASON LONG❗ Other than her everlasting death throes, The Show has centered on BETHENNEY'S  incessant maliciousness and dismissiveness especially toward LuAnn --who has done what to Bethenney™ to warrant this vindictivenes and near-stalker behaviour.  And, no, I am not jealous of Bethenney's partner's business acumen.

 

Whatever. I'm 'fed up'. Fuck 'em all.

Edited August 28, 2016 by BookElitist

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, bravofan27 said:

I think Tom was set up. Bethanny paid someone to hit on him, get him drunk, and then take off. That's how she knew the exact times, and got someone else to take pictures. I'm on Tom's side on this. I can't believe Luanne ever believed a word out of Bethanny's mouth. THe only reason this could have happened is if Bethanny set it up. SHe needs a life

That's a big ol nopes from me. Even if Bethenny had a bounty in Tom, there are a bunch of complicating issues that make this theory not particularly credible or feasible. I don't believe that Bethenny hates LuAnn enough to spend money on bringing LuAnn down. Additionally, it's not like Tom and the mystery woman were at a private party where she could keep plying him with drinks without someone noticing. They were at the Regency. I don't believe that New York has a statute assigning a duty of care to party hosts or innkeepers, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a decent amount of case law finding that bars have a duty to make sure that they aren't letting people get black out drunk and possibly injuring themselves or others. Many bars and restaurants train their staff to pay attention to  how much their patrons are drinking and if they were driving because they don't want to get sued. So if the honeypot in this scenario is trying to get Tom drunk, the regency has a ton of reasons to stop it.

I know that the Regency staff can't observe everything. But if said woman was surepticiously plying Tom with drinks, the Regency has every incentive to kick her out because her drowning Tom in booze makes her come across as a pro who is attempting to roll Tom for all of his money. And that's the last thing that the Regency wants to be known for. 

Do I believe that Bethenny held on to the info for spiteful reasons? Yes. I don't believe that Bethenny set up the drunken kissing escapade.

Finally, Tom is a grown assed man who is nearly half a century old. If someone is buying Tom a ton of drinks, he should have the wherewithal to refuse them. So even if Bethanny, the James Bond mastermind  villain, set this up, Tom could have walked away. He could have refused the drinks. He didn't and that's why this shit is all on him. Honestly, let's not forget that Tom is a grown up with agency and who has the ability to make his own decisions. So even if one believes that Bethenny set up some sort of trap (which I don't believe that she did), Tom willingly walked into that trap. He could have kissed the woman once, realized his mistake, and gone home.

[film noire]

1 hour ago, HunterHunted said:

That's a big ol nopes from me. Even if Bethenny had a bounty in Tom, there are a bunch of complicating issues that make this theory not particularly credible or feasible. I don't believe that Bethenny hates LuAnn enough to spend money on bringing LuAnn down. Additionally, it's not like Tom and the mystery woman were at a private party where she could keep plying him with drinks without someone noticing. (snip for space)

I don't think Tom was set up, but I do think Bethenny absolutely hates Luann enough to drop a few grand humiliating the Countess of FuckDollWhoreSluttia (while getting audience/media attention Bethenny mistakenly thought would show her in a caring, flattering light). Also, anyone Bethenny would have hired would not get Tom so drunk he would draw attention from staff or customers (if he's that drunk, he can't kiss) so a bartender wouldn't notice anything (especially if a pro was involved. She's going to make sure nobody can tell the press Tom was so inebriated, the bartender had to step in. That would undermine the idea that Tom was cheating on Luann in full command of his faculties.) And even though I don't think she did it, Bethenny is such a low, vulgar snake,  if I found out she had set Tom up,  I wouldn't be at all surprised. Shocked maybe, but not surprised. 

Edited August 27, 2016 by film noire

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On the rewatch I noticed Bethenny only confessed to Carole, Ramona, Sonja and Lu knowing...when responding to Lu saying it must have been hard for B to keep this news to herself. B lied, because she left out her friend Sarah. Also Andy knew.  And production. That's a LOT of people. 

Ramona while on the bed with the coven said she just spoke to a friend in NYC and "he has been doing 'it' all over town". To me that says Ramona spoke with a friend immediately ! 

Also telling ? Very telling. When Bethenny has her outburst of needing to drink alcohol and asking for the (Skinnygirl) bottle on the desk, Ramona who I believe thought she was off camera actually laughs and grins in Bethennys direction.  Bethenny is off cam. Was she mirroring Bethenny ? Odd expression by Ramona toward Bethennys crying and freaking out ....?....

She was either responding to:

a grin/glee from off camera Bethenny,

thought getting in the product placement was clever and laughed at Bethenny manipulatively hawking booze in a moment sure to be shown while fake crying 

or knew they had a hot reality tv moment and Lu was going down.....

god bless Ro for no impulse control. 

Edited August 27, 2016 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[RedHawk]

Deleted my comment after reading a few really thoughtful previous posts. 

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[JenE4]

20 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I can't decide if it's the brevity or the bluntness of this assessment that is more hilarious. 

Quote

Those limitations have yielded...Tom.

It's the ellipses. Those limitations have yielded--wait for it [build up of anticipation]--Tom [sad trombone of disappointment]. Classic! Lol!

I don't buy for a second that Betheny set up Tom to cheat. How is that possible that she even got him to leave his bed with Lu there, go to the Regency, and then spend anywhere from 1 hour to 1 hour and 47 minutes (estimation) making out with an ex? He also had to, you know, actually make out with her, so how could that be entrapment?

i know Lu's story changed a few times, but by piecing together her various explanations, it sounds like:

1) Lu and Tom were at the Regency. They ran into this woman there.

2) They go back to Tom's place and have a fight. (About this woman? Don't know.)

3) Lu and Tom go to sleep.

4) Tom gets out of bed. I presume at this point he texts this woman to see whether she's still there because why else...

5) Tom gets himself all gussied up again and heads back out to the Regency.

6) Tom falls into this woman's clutches between whatever time stamps, 1-2 hours of kissing.

7) Tom leaves this woman--with the check--and sneaks back home and into bed with Lu.

it's shady. The fact that Lu said they were there earlier and they SAW this woman there, I think Tom specifically snuck out to get some clutching with her.

Edited August 27, 2016 by JenE4
And another thing...

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

I think Tom was set up. Bethanny paid someone to hit on him, get him drunk, and then take off. That's how she knew the exact times, and got someone else to take pictures. I'm on Tom's side on this. I can't believe Luanne ever believed a word out of Bethanny's mouth. THe only reason this could have happened is if Bethanny set it up. SHe needs a life

Now I have officially heard it all. 

[motorcitymom65]

8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Luann said they talked about their marriages and divorces. She didn't say much at all about him that morning because Sonja cut her off.

 

Nobody cut Lu off. She had the floor. They were all waiting to hear what she had to say. That would have been the time to mention that he was getting divorced or whatever.  As is typical with Lu, she makes up a story later to make herself look better. This is what she always does. After the pirate deal, after the season ends and she needs to make up a reason to be mad at Carole, after she gets caught with a married guy, after her boyfriend cheats and she needs to make him not look like a dick, because him looking like a dick makes her look desperate. She will never change. 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/videos/thats-not-so-cool-either

Edited August 27, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[KungFuBunny]

3 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

god bless Ro for no impulse control. 

A Ramona tweet from 8/26/16

Ramona Singer Verified account ‏@ramonasinger

#DWTS contact me I would love to be in the competition. #great #dancer

OMG - bunny would be delirious. The only time I watched DWTS was to see Nene clomp around like a moose. Might need to put popcorn (choking hazard) aside

Edited August 27, 2016 by KungFuBunny

[zoeysmom]

6 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

A Ramona tweet from 8/26/16

Ramona Singer Verified account ‏@ramonasinger

#DWTS contact me I would love to be in the competition. #great #dancer

OMG - bunny would be delirious. The only time I watched DWTS was to see Nene clomp around like a moose. Might need to put popcorn (choking hazard)

Ramona should definitely do and show the world just how unpopular she is.  I wonder if they picked up Teresa Giudice, can't stand being away from my girls. 

Edited August 27, 2016 by zoeysmom

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Nobody cut Lu off. She had the floor. They were all waiting to hear what she had to say. That would have been the time to mention that he was getting divorced or whatever.  As is typical with Lu, she makes up a story later to make herself look better. This is what she always does. After the pirate deal, after the season ends and she needs to make up a reason to be mad at Carole, after she gets caught with a married guy, after her boyfriend cheats and she needs to make him not look like a dick, because him looking like a dick makes her look desperate. She will never change. 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-7/videos/thats-not-so-cool-either

As Luann is hemhawing, Sonja says "Shit happens" and Luann laughs, so yes, Sonja did interrupt and answer for Luann. Also, Alistair, the house manager informant, said the guy had on a wedding ring and that they were making out on the patio, he never said that the mystery guy and Luann had sex out there or that they went into the house/Luann's bedroom. Did Luann have sex with him, maybe, but we just don't know and unless he comes forward, I doubt we will ever know that or if he was married, separated or in the middle of a divorce. I guess, Bethenny needs to get her informants on this ASAP so she can have the "receipts" to keep bashing Luann on the head with. LOL

Edited August 27, 2016 by WireWrap

[yourmomiseasy]

5 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

That's a big ol nopes from me. Even if Bethenny had a bounty in Tom, there are a bunch of complicating issues that make this theory not particularly credible or feasible. I don't believe that Bethenny hates LuAnn enough to spend money on bringing LuAnn down. Additionally, it's not like Tom and the mystery woman were at a private party where she could keep plying him with drinks without someone noticing. They were at the Regency. I don't believe that New York has a statute assigning a duty of care to party hosts or innkeepers, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a decent amount of case law finding that bars have a duty to make sure that they aren't letting people get black out drunk and possibly injuring themselves or others. Many bars and restaurants train their staff to pay attention to  how much their patrons are drinking and if they were driving because they don't want to get sued. So if the honeypot in this scenario is trying to get Tom drunk, the regency has a ton of reasons to stop it.

 

I'm not saying I agree Tom was set up, but I disagree that the bartender would keep him from getting shitfaced.  California does have the laws you are talking about and I've seen more people blackout drunk from being served than I have seen being cut off.  I've seen people have to be physically picked up and carried out because they couldn't walk, but they were not cut off.  I'm not sure about the laws in NY, but I've actually gotten blackout drunk in a bar in Manhattan before.  That was the least productive business trip ever.

[WireWrap]

27 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

A Ramona tweet from 8/26/16

Ramona Singer Verified account ‏@ramonasinger

#DWTS contact me I would love to be in the competition. #great #dancer

OMG - bunny would be delirious. The only time I watched DWTS was to see Nene clomp around like a moose. Might need to put popcorn (choking hazard)

I take it that no one from DWTS ever watches the HW shows before they pick a HW to be on it! LOL LisaV, although I love her, isn't graceful, she is bowlegged, Nene, has 2 leaded left feet and Ramona makes Elaine B (Sienfeld) look like a pro dancer! LOL

[straightshooter]

1 hour ago, JenE4 said:

It's the ellipses. Those limitations have yielded--wait for it [build up of anticipation]--Tom [sad trombone of disappointment]. Classic! Lol!

I don't buy for a second that Betheny set up Tom to cheat. How is that possible that she even got him to leave his bed with Lu there, go to the Regency, and then spend anywhere from 1 hour to 1 hour and 47 minutes (estimation) making out with an ex? He also had to, you know, actually make out with her, so how could that be entrapment?

i know Lu's story changed a few times, but by piecing together her various explanations, it sounds like:

1) Lu and Tom were at the Regency. They ran into this woman there.

2) They go back to Tom's place and have a fight. (About this woman? Don't know.)

3) Lu and Tom go to sleep.

4) Tom gets out of bed. I presume at this point he texts this woman to see whether she's still there because why else...

5) Tom gets himself all gussied up again and heads back out to the Regency.

6) Tom falls into this woman's clutches between whatever time stamps, 1-2 hours of kissing.

7) Tom leaves this woman--with the check--and sneaks back home and into bed with Lu.

it's shady. The fact that Lu said they were there earlier and they SAW this woman there, I think Tom specifically snuck out to get some clutching with her.

Between 3 and 4 is where her story gets confusing to me - because at one point I think we heard her say something to the effect that he must've gone back out "after I left".  My biggest question is, where would she go?   This is why I think the fight story is a total fabrication, designed to give her Tommy Boy an excuse and make him look like less of a dick.  Not that it worked, of course...

[KungFuBunny]

19 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

Reverse Bicycle on the Village Cowboy?

That would be a GREAT C&W song...

 

I was at my favorite watering hole

Sitting at the bar, catching the show

When a little Filly showed me her trot

And that got this old stud a mighty hot

 

We both were parched and what was missing?

A little booze? A little kissing?

But one thing that would give me joy

was a reverse bicycle on this old cowboy?

 

Go easy there, I ain't a ship

I'm old and brittle so are my hips!

If we don't make it, after the swill

I'll make sure you do get the bill!

 

LOL, It would be a Village People Song - the Indian on a bike, chasing the Cowboy all over the stage.

I love your C&W lyrics and would like to request the tempo be more fast paced and upbeat. My second request would be that Dorinda and John mime the lyrics aerobics style at The Regency.

HEY YOU GUYS, where are you going??????