Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[GEML]

It's also in the Bible that women are supposed to go out in little huts away from people when they have their periods. Now watching then do that would be quite a show, and would likely shock most Americans. Except they don't do that. Because it's pointless and silly. Nor do we make animal sacrifices.

As a Christian who takes the Bible seriously, it's fine to be respectful of Old Testament rules and regulations, but it's more important to remember that the New Testament reminds us that those are not the important aspects of any Christian's life or belief system.

[KittyS]

I pay off my credit card in full every single month, just like my electricity bill or my water bill, so to me that is not a debt. I would never say it's bad to be debt free, but I think a big family like the Duggars is missing out on the financial benefits of having a credit card. For the most part, I really don't care if people use credit or debit cards, but the Duggars are so incredibly smug about their smart financial choices and how that makes them better than many others. In their case, I feel compelled to point out that tuning down FREE money isn't that smart. Also, paying cash for a house isn't going to be realistic for all of their kids, so I wonder how they're going to build credit in order to qualify for a mortgage.

GEML, what is the rationale behind 60 days for females and 40 for males? Most medical providers recommend abstaining from sex for six weeks anyway, so it's not a bad idea, but I wonder about the difference?

Edited October 20, 2014 by KittyS

[irisheyes]

It's also in the Bible that women are supposed to go out in little huts away from people when they have their periods. Now watching then do that would be quite a show, and would likely shock most Americans. Except they don't do that. Because it's pointless and silly. Nor do we make animal sacrifices.

As a Christian who takes the Bible seriously, it's fine to be respectful of Old Testament rules and regulations, but it's more important to remember that the New Testament reminds us that those are not the important aspects of any Christian's life or belief system.

I could totally support the "little hut away from people during the week of my period." I feel miserable during it, and it's a pain to deal with along with the rest of life. It would be great to be able to take a week off once a month! We need the Duggars to start promoting that! I want my Red Tent! :-)

[KittyS]

Do you (or anyone else) know the name of the mission organization that Derick was associated with?

Yes, I believe if given the opportunity these two would jump at the chance of a spinoff, unfortunately.

I remember someone named the organization here in the 19 Kids forums (not helpful at all, I know) and being the nosy stalker I am, I went to the website to see what they were all about. Sorry I can't remember the name.

NausetGirl, I don't think any of the Duggars will be having massive families either. Could anyone imagine having 200-400 cousins?! I at least know all of my cousins personally!

[msblossom]

I remember someone named the organization here in the 19 Kids forums (not helpful at all, I know) and being the nosy stalker I am, I went to the website to see what they were all about. Sorry I can't remember the name.

Thank you, KittyS. Actually, your post gave me the idea to google it and I found it! Derick was with the IMB, which is the abbreviation for the Southern Baptist International Mission Board. I'm impressed. It's no easy feat to get on with them as theirs is a very rigorous vetting process. And unlike other areas of the SBC, the IMB tends to be less legalistic, grace-filled, and very cutting edge -- which is interesting considering this doesn't fit with the Duggard's brand of Christianity. So I've gotta wonder why on earth Derick would reach out to JB as a prayer partner?

[NausetGirl]

It's in the old testament. Michelle says that after the birth of a girl, she and JB abstain from sex for 80 days for a girl and for a boy 40 days.

 It's not all sexytime at the Duggars. They abstain when Michelle has her period, and also after childbirth: 80 days before sex if it's a girl, 40 days after a boy. (The timeline for abstinence after childbirth is loosely based on Old Testament traditions, but is more about what works for their marriage than about observing religious law, the Duggars say.) A bit of abstinence, they've found, does make the heart grow fonder. 

http://m.today.com/parents/duggars-7-tips-keeping-your-marriage-sexy-even-after-lot-2D12106530

 

Good grief!  These people just get whackier with each new day! 

[NausetGirl]

They're boring. Every time something happens like a pregnant or gender revel they go to the today show. People were probably complaining. The Duggars aren't exactly ratings worthy

 

Agree.  I think if the Duggars had gone on TV at baby 10 or so, they might be off the air by now.  People would know that "tomorrow on Today - a big announcement from the Duggar family..." would just be another baby.  And that would be 10 announcements after whoever Baby 10 was.

[GEML]

There are all kinds of reasons given why the longer and shorter. From girls taking more strength from the woman (it is true that girls survive better than boys) to girls being more sinful and this needing more time to repent. Then there is also a theory that Leviticus wasn't rules for the general population so much as for the sons of Levi, or the priestly class.

In other words, people have been using these words to either punish, justify or make themselves feel superior to other people for thousands of years while a number

[Micks Picks]

I'm rather glad I don't know much about the bible.  I gave the Old Testament a good try once but it sure was alternately boring or shocking.  Cultural anthropology is full of stories of current tribes of people who have special huts for menstruating women or those who have given birth, as well as teenage circumcision ceremonies for boys.   They seem to follow the tribal ways.

[floridamom]

KittyS: The after birth abstinence between male and female child delivered goes back to the Old Testament days when males were considered "more clean and females "less clean". The birthing mother needed that time, according to old Jewish Law, to cleanse her body after delivery and re-ready herself for her husband to "return" to her as a clean wife/woman. It's all about male superiority and females being weaker, more sinful and less desired by the culture as sons were worth something to the family and daughters were not. The Orthodox Jewish people, still today, abide by this abstinence. It is however, NOT a Christian/New Testament practice, belief or law, as Jesus came to break the old covenant... so I don't get why the Duggars pick and choose from the O.T, as that isn't Christian law. Bill Gothard is a weird guy and so are they.

[starfire]

I personally think it's weird that a "big announcement" could be a gender/sex reveal. Does anyone here really care if it's a boy or girl? Does anyone really care about what the sex of ANY baby is going to be, aside from maybe close friends and family? Even with close friends and family, I would be happy for them either way, so these huge productions the Duggars make --both on the show and in the media -- over revealing the sex of their baby to the masses puzzle me. 

[bigskygirl]

Their kool-aid drinking fans who must know if they are having a boy or a girl. Come on know, our day will not be complete without knowing this vital piece of information. My belly button has been puckering and non puckering for days, and I had a hard time sleeping last night because I do not know if Jill and Derick will have a son or a daughter. *sarcasm is a free service I offer*

[DangerousMinds]

I miss the days when it was a surprise. Still is for some people, thank goodness.

[Turquoise]

http://www.people.com/article/jill-duggar-dillard-expecting-son

 

Well, it's a boy. And Jill's kids came to the ultrasound. That's precious.

 

I miss the days when it was a surprise. Still is for some people, thank goodness.

You know, my son was a surprise, but I was glad to be able to know about my grandson ahead of time (we're about 4 weeks ahead of Baby Dill). Mainly because very few stores offer gender-neutral anything anymore. I've been trying to help the new parents with baby items. They don't have a national registry. ;)

[floridamom]

I hope all of the Duggar grandchildren are healthy ones. Having said that, So, she's having a boy first. How is that going to work with Michelle's buddy system that Jill will implement in her household. She doesn't know any different. I hope they all have slews of healthy sons up front and see what they will do.

[mythoughtis]

So what will the announcement be tonight since they announced this in a magazine?

[luvbadtv]

I hope all of the Duggar grandchildren are healthy ones. Having said that, So, she's having a boy first. How is that going to work with Michelle's buddy system that Jill will implement in her household. She doesn't know any different. I hope they all have slews of healthy sons up front and see what they will do.

Maybe she will only have sons!

[Bella]

Maybe if she has only boys, Jim Boob will send poor Jana over to raise them. That is something I do not wish for. Now, if Jana were to escape - oops, I mean marry - I would be thrilled to see only boys in the Dill household.

[Ljohnson1987]

Of course they sold the news to People Magazine before TLC could make the announcement. Hoping that Mr. Dill Pickle is healthy.

[toodles]

I'll say it again.  I think Will Dilly would be a swell name.

[Ljohnson1987]

Cue J'Chelle gushing about how precious this new season of life is. Blech!

[Darknight]

Ugh. What attention whores

[Ljohnson1987]

I wonder what the Duggars think about circumcising baby boys.

[bigskygirl]

I can go on with my day because I now know she is having a boy. I bet Jim Bob will giving hits about naming the kid after him. I have a name I would like to call JB, but I am afraid someone would want to wash my mouth out with soap if I said it.

[Almost 3000]

Maybe she will only have sons!

Maybe that's what her sibling buddies are for. Aren't they getting old enough to help out? So the younger ones won't get off the hook for parent responsibilities. Great system...

[Ljohnson1987]

I can imagine Boob lobbying to name Dill Pickle after him. He always does.

[Fuzzysox]

Of course they sold the news to People Magazine before TLC could make the announcement. Hoping that Mr. Dill Pickle is healthy.

More money so they can buy the house that they live in.

[msblossom]

So the big announcement is J and D are having a boy?? That's it? What a letdown. Not that having a boy is a letdown, I thought the announcement was going to be more significant than the sex of the baby. This big dramatic lead up nonsense to announce the babys gender is just silly. I could understand it if they were announcing twins. #boring

Maybe they'll keep us in suspense for 'lil Dill's in utero activity too -- riveting!!

[msblossom]

Yeah, you know JB is hoping/expecting that J and D will name this baby after him since he furnished them with a house an bought them all that furniture. Still, calling the baby 'lil Boob sounds awkward.

Edited October 21, 2014 by msblossom

[lottiedottie]

So the big announcement is J and D are having a boy?? That's it? What a letdown. Not that having a boy is a letdown, I thought the announcement was going to be more significant than the sex of the baby. This big dramatic lead up nonsense to announce the babys gender is just silly. I could understand it if they were announcing twins. #boring

Maybe they'll keep us in suspense for 'lil Dill's in utero activity too -- riveting!!

So they made the announcement? I thought it was going to be during the show (like a special thing during a commercial break). How anticlimactic.  

[allonsyalice]

I'm thinking they are gonna name the lil boy after Derick's late dad, which would be sweet. (and like there are already 3 kids with the name James, so)

(also I signed up literally just so i can comment here, haha)

[msblossom]

So they made the announcement? I thought it was going to be during the show (like a special thing during a commercial break). How anticlimactic.

Yes, apparently they sold the story to People magazine right before it was to be announced on TV. I'll bet the TLC show executives are none too happy.

[PityFree]

I'll bet the TLC show executives are none too happy.

Between that, the family being boring/doing nothing, and having to blur out those pro-life t-shirts, I wonder how long TLC will put up with the Duggars?

 

ETA: You'd think the contract between the Duggars and TLC would have something about "spoilers."

Edited October 21, 2014 by PityFree

[Bella]

Between that, the family being boring/doing nothing, and having to blur out those pro-life t-shirts, I wonder how long TLC will put up with the Duggars?

 

ETA: You'd think the contract between the Duggars and TLC would have something about "spoilers."

 

Exactly. This gig is not going to last forever regardless of its relative popularity now.

 

I could see TLC thinking that the People spreads would bring in more viewers, however.

[joanofarch4]

I use a credit card (initially just to build my credit rating; now for convenience and the reward points), but pay it off in full every month; that's the same as living debt-free.  I also paid off my first house in a matter of months and paid cash for subsequent ones, which I rented out.  Cash for used cars, etc.  It isn't as impossible or even as difficult as most modern Americans have been led to believe (we've only recently been brainwashed/conditioned to expect everything new now instead of saving up for purchases and living within our means).

 

I totally admire this family's frugality and, even without the TLC money, investment real estate is a great way to build personal wealth.

 

Michelle's baby voice drives me KwAzY, however, and Jill has always gotten on my last nerve!

[GEML]

I pointed this out in another thread, but likely the PEOPLE money goes directly to Jill and Derek while the TLC money goes to the Duggar trust, unless Derek (as Jill's new headship) and JB have worked out a separate arrangement. If I were Derek, you bet I would announce it in PEOPLE first. After all, he may not have a contract with TLC, especially if talks for a spin-off fell through.

[Ripley68]

Why were Jill's older kids - I mean Buddies at the Ultrasound?  come on, it's your first, it should have just been Jill and Derrick ( and the 3-4 camera crew of course).  Derricks statement about having a boy first smacks of sexism to me.  I was still liking him till he said that.  I guess I still like him, but he's gone down a lot.

[WTFFF]

JimBob already made a "joking" comment about naming it JimBob.

 

It wasn't funny the first time.  It wouldn't be funny even if he were joking, which I really don't think he is.

 

I'd be curious to see how an all-boy fundie family would play out.  Fewer kids because boys can't possibly do the domestic work?

[truthtalk2014]

It's in the old testament. Michelle says that after the birth of a girl, she and JB abstain from sex for 80 days for a girl and for a boy 40 days.

 

Too bad MEchelle doesn't follow all of the old testament.  If so, I'm sure we could have stoned her by now for defrauding people on that wakeboard or wearing the swimsuit, etc.  Yes, I say good for her that she picks and chooses what she wants to obey.  

[Higgins]

I use a credit card (initially just to build my credit rating; now for convenience and the reward points), but pay it off in full every month; that's the same as living debt-free.  I also paid off my first house in a matter of months and paid cash for subsequent ones, which I rented out.  Cash for used cars, etc.  It isn't as impossible or even as difficult as most modern Americans have been led to believe (we've only recently been brainwashed/conditioned to expect everything new now instead of saving up for purchases and living within our means).

 

I totally admire this family's frugality and, even without the TLC money, investment real estate is a great way to build personal wealth.

 

Michelle's baby voice drives me KwAzY, however, and Jill has always gotten on my last nerve!

I agree but, some people are better off without CC. M y point is that it is perfectly acceptable and nothing to frown upon to not use credit cards. It doesn't mean they are stupid. They may be stupid but not using credit does not prove they are.

[ramble]

I think they should use a rhyming theme. Willard Dillard or Millard Dillard. Think of all the fun new ways they could spell things or invent whole new names. Maybe they should make it rhyme with Duggar though since they always have that name stuck to them like glue. Just think: Slugger, Bugger (or Bug for short, that'd be a girl.) No Hugger though, that's not allowed.

[NausetGirl]

I hope all of the Duggar grandchildren are healthy ones. Having said that, So, she's having a boy first. How is that going to work with Michelle's buddy system that Jill will implement in her household. She doesn't know any different. I hope they all have slews of healthy sons up front and see what they will do.

 

Could not agree MORE!  I hope Jill has 4-6 boys in quick succession.  She'll have no one to help with them - unless her own sisters get roped into something - and I bet that in itself will bring the birthin' years to an abrupt halt.  Maybe it will finally dawn on her what she and her sisters had to cope with as Sister-Moms.  Bound to be an eye-opening experience for the chief Koolaid-Drinker.

[Jellybeans]

Maybe the surprise is Derrick got a promotion and they are moving...far away! :-)

[NausetGirl]

I agree but, some people are better off without CC. M y point is that it is perfectly acceptable and nothing to frown upon to not use credit cards. It doesn't mean they are stupid. They may be stupid but not using credit does not prove they are.

 

People who do not use credit are NOT necessarily stupid.  But to deliberately avoid building a credit history is not the smartest financial planning, IMO. At some point, even people who are very careful with their money may need credit for something, an emergency etc.  And to be 25 - or older - in this country without some type of credit history in this day and age is not a good thing.  A friend of mine who had been able to pay each semester's college bill by check and had never obtained a credit card during college, or even requested phone service during school, was unable to get a car loan when we graduated in the late 70s.  She was told it was because she had no credit history, and she was only 22 years old at the time! Just a few years ago I was told by my bank that they were going to cancel my Visa card. I have a credit score in the high 700s and had just leased a car, something I've been told requires a higher than normal credit score, so I was understandably stunned. Up til then I used it only when buying big ticket items, primarily furniture, and had always paid by check when the bill came the following month. When I inquired about the cancellation I was told, "It's because you never use it, ma'am..."  I spoke with a bank manager, using the argument "Well, if you take it away, how can I use it?  And ultimately, like all banks, it was more interested in making money so I retained the card, being careful to use it now for a few regular bills each month, paying it off in full the following month.  And my credit score has subsequently increased because of this. So my point is this - it's financially wiser to build a credit score you'll never need to use, than to pay cash or otherwise be debt-free for years, and then find you need credit for something important years later.

Edited October 21, 2014 by NausetGirl

[Higgins]

If you save, you can pay cash for everything, even a house. It is practiced by many.

[GEML]

Here is something many people don't know - if you are applying for an executive level position, a legal or accounting position, or even some lower positions that involve the ability to handle large amounts of money, the employer will run a credit check on you. And while there is nothing wrong (even much to admire) about a cash only lifestyle, it will be seen as a red flag once you reach a certain employment level that may or may not be fair, but it is one way to weed out people.

[NausetGirl]

If you save, you can pay cash for everything, even a house. It is practiced by many.

 

Very true - no denying that.  But why make things harder than they need to be?  My father grew up in the Depression and was DEAD-SET AGAINST credit all his life. But he also wanted his 6 children to live in a house of their own in the suburbs, with a yard and neighbor kids to play with. Instead of in a city apartment, which is all he would have been able to afford on a cash basis, with his income. So he did use credit when it came to houses and cars. He had two mortgages in his lifetime and maybe 4 car loans. That's all. Mom could never talk him into using credit for travel, vacations, fun things or anything else for that matter. And he had a perfect credit score when he died. Mom found a huge box full of all the credit offers he'd received over the years in the mail from banks, Amex etc. There were literally 1000s of them.  He had kept them because he was so proud of his score and financial record.  For someone who never had a lot of money, it was exceptional.  One can always have credit without using it.  To me, it's like insurance. You may never need it - you even HOPE you'll never need it.  But you still have it and are prepared - just in case.

Edited October 21, 2014 by NausetGirl

[NausetGirl]

Here is something many people don't know - if you are applying for an executive level position, a legal or accounting position, or even some lower positions that involve the ability to handle large amounts of money, the employer will run a credit check on you. And while there is nothing wrong (even much to admire) about a cash only lifestyle, it will be seen as a red flag once you reach a certain employment level that may or may not be fair, but it is one way to weed out people.

 

Excellent point, GEML.  I had completely forgotten about that.  Thanks.

[Higgins]

They are looking for negative credit history

[NausetGirl]

They are looking for negative credit history

 

This may indeed be true.  But - and this will be my final post on this topic because we really are OFF-topic here - when there are candidates with a POSITIVE HISTORY competing against candidates with NO HISTORY at all, who will likely appear in a more-positive light to the person doing the hiring etc?