Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[RazzleberryPie]

6 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I don't mind the length of his hair. I think it suits him...but he should keep it clean....the scruffy  beard looks mangy...I think I prefer clean shaven Derick. 

Is he going for hipster Jesus with braces?

I think his preachy screeds and other weird behavior would make him look mentally ill no mater how clean or well groomed he looked.

Yeah hair length doesn't matter to me unless you're totally bald on top with a big ponytail. Derrick doesn't look clean or combed.

[ginger90]

Derick says he's healthy

https://mobile.twitter.com/derick4Him/status/824862240121577472?p=v

Edited January 27, 2017 by ginger90

[DangerousMinds]

11 hours ago, louannems said:

How old is Derick, anyway?  The eyes don't lie!

His longish hair is drawing the rebuke of KJ Bible thumpers.  One woman says Bible College is evil- just read the Bible-the King James Bible, of course!

What is Bible College? And do they know Jesus had long hair? I thought most of the Dullards time is "family time" since they don't work.

[Annb67]

10 hours ago, awaken said:

Me too. My first thought was, "horrifying!"

My first thought was "The f****?"

[Arwen Evenstar]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

know that no one on these boards mean any harm, but I am a steadfast advocate for folks with mental illness. To emphasize another thing @Arwen Evenstar said, no one can look mentally ill. Subtle and not so subtle changes in appearance, along with changes in thoughts, mood and behaviors might point to mental illness, but as I'm sure you all know, many well groomed attractive folks are walking around fighting and managing all kinds of mental illnesse

Mental illness is a cruel disease. It robs people of their joy, their dreams, and their whole quality of life.  There's nothing funny about it. I've suffered from spectrum depressive disorder for nearly 30 years. I'm high functioning enough not to need meds, except one time where I fell down the rabbit hole ...I'd say I have dysthymia. I look very normal, always clean and put together. 

Something is off about Derick, and I guess it would have been more accurate to say he is behaving as though he might be suffering from a mental health disorder. By "looks", I'm sure myself and other posters who said that, can see his now Scruffy and disheveled appearance in contrast to him looking less so previously. 

Thanks GeeGolly!

[BitterApple]

I don't buy Derick's claim that he's healthy. He's dropped thirty pounds since marrying Jill and it's not like he had any spare weight to begin with. I can understand losing weight immediately after surgery due to recovery and pain, but this shouldn't be the case nearly two years later. When they showed him running his limbs looked like sticks. I hope he's under the care of a REAL doctor and not some Fundie quack. 

[PradaKitty]

No one in their 20's should have deep crows feet like that .....

[Fostersmom]

His teeth look like they are shooting out of his face and the patchy beard does NO man any favors. 

Izzy's a doll baby in those glasses though!

[sheshark]

Cute. I do wish Derrick had worn the Groucho Marx glasses, though.

[lascuba]

16 hours ago, kalamac said:

I think that may actually be the most flattering picture we've seen of him lately. His face doesn't look wonky, and he doesn't look like he's in need of a good meal to fatten him up a bit.

I agree. I've said it before--it's not that he looks sick or sad or whatever, it's just that dude's baseline is unfortunate looking and then the the surgery and recovery made it worse. Look at his brother...they did not get even a semi-decent combination of genes. That picture is huge improvement.

Anyone else think he's keeping his hair long because he doesn't want Jill to cut it but doesn't want to tell her that?

[ariel]

28 minutes ago, lascuba said:

 

Anyone else think he's keeping his hair long because he doesn't want Jill to cut it but doesn't want to tell her that?

I don't know.  I would think there is a fundy family member (other than Jill) that would be happy to put a bowl over Derick's head & cut his hair for free.

[sometimesy]

12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm not fond of facial hair, but even less so when it appears mangy like @Arwen Evenstar said. With a little effort he could clean it up a little.

His caption though - I hope it was meant for snarkers, because otherwise it's a bit odd. Parents are kind of, sort of, supposed to enjoy spending time with their kids. And it's kind of a requirement.

I know that no one on these boards mean any harm, but I am a steadfast advocate for folks with mental illness. To emphasize another thing @Arwen Evenstar said, no one can look mentally ill. Subtle and not so subtle changes in appearance, along with changes in thoughts, mood and behaviors might point to mental illness, but as I'm sure you all know, many well groomed attractive folks are walking around fighting and managing all kinds of mental illnesses.

Just doing my part to ease the stigma. 

The caption is what caught my attention. FU internetz. Fail. We've already heard how Izzy is full of himself and needs a new child to take his thunder away. FU Izzy's education for us, put him in a brick and mortar, because if they follow the program Jill did, Izzy with learn Bank rup ceee instead of A B C.

[poopchute]

If he's healthy then why does he look like that?

[JoanArc]

Mental health doesn't count? Being unable to hold a job is one of the major signs of mental illness.

[RazzleberryPie]

Ok sorry if I offended anyone by saying Derrick looks mentally ill. I don't know all the proper terminology, so some education and clarification is appreciated.

What I mean is Derrick doesn't look healthy physically and looks like he is badly dealing with some mental health issues . Physically he looks sallow, thin, has dark circles, etc. Mentally he looks exhausted, disheveled, unkempt and just plain lost. Like he has trouble maintaining regular grooming, basic life skills, etc. 

Someone can help me here with clarifying if those are symptoms of depression or not dealing with grief or something else. I honestly do not know and don't want to call him 'crazy'.

I don't care a bit to call Jill crazy because I think she makes bad choices and spouts off brainwashed garbage, but I don't think she is mentally ill. Just really weird and vocal. She's a product of her upbringing. 

[ariel]

53 minutes ago, poopchute said:

If he's healthy then why does he look like that?

I don' t know, but his on going unkept "look" does send red flags to me. 

[GeeGolly]

37 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

Ok sorry if I offended anyone by saying Derrick looks mentally ill. I don't know all the proper terminology, so some education and clarification is appreciated.

What I mean is Derrick doesn't look healthy physically and looks like he is badly dealing with some mental health issues . Physically he looks sallow, thin, has dark circles, etc. Mentally he looks exhausted, disheveled, unkempt and just plain lost. Like he has trouble maintaining regular grooming, basic life skills, etc. 

Someone can help me here with clarifying if those are symptoms of depression or not dealing with grief or something else. I honestly do not know and don't want to call him 'crazy'.

I don't care a bit to call Jill crazy because I think she makes bad choices and spouts off brainwashed garbage, but I don't think she is mentally ill. Just really weird and vocal. She's a product of her upbringing. 

First I'd like to say you didn't offend me at all. I by no means thought your post was meant to be mean to folks with mental health issues.

If Derick's mood and thoughts have changed along with what you describe in your post they could be signs & symptoms of mental health issues. And from what we have seen Derick's appearance has changed although we don't know how he groomed before TLC started filming him. His social media posts are intense, but have they changed or has he always felt that way? He definitely has weight loss, but we don't know why. Other things we don't know about Derick, to name a few is, if he is experiencing excessive sadness, tearfulness, hopelessness. Is he experiencing mood instability, including anger and irritability. Has his sleep or diet increased/decreased? Is he isolating? And if he has these symptoms have they been present for an extended period of time?

Changes in grooming may be a sign and symptom of mental health issues but alone they could be symptoms of laziness, a change in style, a change in income, etc. And with some folks, as well as in some cultures, mental health issues has little to no impact on grooming.

With all that said, from the outside looking in, I too wonder if Derick has something going on; mental health issues, medical issues or both. I think we are all basing our assumptions on a feel of the whole picture, not just his appearance.

Again I was just advocating on behalf of an illness that carries a lot of stigma. Something I do all day, every day, in my career. And while I'm at it, most folks with mental health issues are able to maintain a job, even those with a chronic diagnosis.

Edited January 28, 2017 by GeeGolly

[Arwen Evenstar]

I think a mental health issue might be difficult to diagnose in this extreme Fundy demographic.  They have to pretend they're happy all the time. If they complain about anything, they get preached at and sent to the prayer closet and any other punishment that authority figure thinks fits the crime. Grieving is out, anger is unacceptable (unless one uses anger to shame someone else). Feeling sick? God is punishing you/didn't pray hard enough...guilt...shame...suppressed feelings/desires/natural curiosity...psychiatry, counseling are bad, the specialist who is most qualified "isn't one of us", so you can't see him/her. How would one in that situation even know where to start?

And they have some beliefs that most of us think are crazy, but perfectly sane and intelligent people are capable of similar beliefs or opinions. Just because someone's behavior is weird or their ideas are extreme isn't a single indicator.

Silly Jilly's issues would be entangled in her lifelong indoctrination.  She's a product of an isolated upbringing, extreme beliefs, and a lot of fear. I remember a much happier girl with less dead eyes, even when she was all about rules. Now, with more freedom than she was ever allowed, she just looks so joyless, tired, and downtrodden. She's not adventurous, intellectually curious, or has any pep at all in her step. There's always this look on her face that she suddenly remembers that she's not supposed to be enjoying herself, so she gets all serious again. 

As much as the Dillydumdums have me smacking my head, I really want them to be happy and find themselves a real purpose besides drifting and grifting. Derick may LOATHE being an accountant.  Even though he seems to be a very boring person, accounting may even be too boring for him.  He seems happiest when traveling, so maybe he could set up a travel agency that caters to missioncationers. Why not, there's travel services that cater to photographers, vegetarians, yogis, LGBTQ community, blues music lovers, scuba divers, ecotourism.  There's all these Fundy conferences and gatherings to travel to. Are you reading this, Derick? At least you can keep your books or be savvy enough to know when your bookkeeper made a mistake...

i know several engineers in the restaurant business or who went on to do other things. There's no shame in realizing your degree isn't really what you want to do, but most of us don't go about grifting...we find a job doing something we actually like.

[riverblue22]

12 hours ago, Annb67 said:

My first thought was "The f****?"

The way Derick looks could scare a child, but I guess Izzie is used to him~

[Lisa418722]

On 1/27/2017 at 2:10 PM, Fostersmom said:

His teeth look like they are shooting out of his face and the patchy beard does NO man any favors. 

Izzy's a doll baby in those glasses though!

I don't mind a scruffy beard, but I hate a patchy beard on a man.  If you can't get it to fill in completely, it may be God's way of saying you need to shave.  Also, I don't mind longer hair on a man, but I do want it to be washed and brushed (OK, his does look cleaner than Jill's usually does).  

I don't want to snark on Derick too much because I do think there are other issues going on that they are sharing with the world (and they have that right), but come on Derick, you went from a decent looking, straight laced guy to someone who looks like since he has a wife and a kid, he doesn't have to care about how he looks any longer especially since he does't have a job in the "real world."  

Izzy is cute in those glasses. 

Edited January 28, 2017 by Lisa418722

[ariel]

4 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

 

I don't want to snark on Derick too much because I do think there are other issues going on that they are sharing with the world (and they have that right),

 

I think if you put yourself on reality TV & take the paychecks then you lose a lot of what would be your privacy.  Derick can't have it both ways.  If you want privacy, give up the money & get out off of reality TV.  Maybe work a 9-5 job like the rest of us.

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, Lisa418722 said:

I don't mind a scruffy beard, but I hate a patchy beard on a man.  If you can't get it to fill in completely, it may be God's way of saying you need to shave.  Also, I don't mind longer hair on a man, but I do want it to be washed and brushed (OK, his does look cleaner than Jill's usually does).  

I don't want to snark on Derick too much because I do think there are other issues going on that they are sharing with the world (and they have that right), but come on Derick, you went from a decent looking, straight laced guy to someone who looks like since he has a wife and a kid, he doesn't have to care about how he looks any longer especially since he does't have a job in the "real world."  

Izzy is cute in those glasses. 

I would venture a guess that this "look" is probably (aside from the braces) pretty much the same way he looked in Nepal (though he probably cleaned it up prior to contacting Jim Bob. But I do think that those were his happiest years, and maybe it's a look that he finds a measure of comfort with.

[Arwen Evenstar]

16 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I would venture a guess that this "look" is probably (aside from the braces) pretty much the same way he looked in Nepal (though he probably cleaned it up prior to contacting Jim Bob. But I do think that those were his happiest years, and maybe it's a look that he finds a measure of comfort with.

When I first saw Derick, he seemed to favor someone who shopped at REI or Whole Earth Provision Company. Plenty of respectable, intelligent, nice men out there who feel most comfortable with t-shirt, long shorts, teva style sandals, and backpack/messenger bag. Common look for many men under 35 nowadays...even with a beard and man bun, these men usually look clean and well groomed and don't smell bad.  It's a common look nowadays.  As long as Derick looked like he'd had a proper wash and kept his facial hair neat and his braces clean, I really could have cared less.  It's very unDuggar, so I totally delight in Jim Boob's Constipated Frog Face  of Disapproval.

What I don't think does Derick any favors is when he looks so dirty and scruffy.  When I see him looking like that, I wonder how Jilly gives him room in her bed.

[Fuzzysox]

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I would venture a guess that this "look" is probably (aside from the braces) pretty much the same way he looked in Nepal (though he probably cleaned it up prior to contacting Jim Bob. But I do think that those were his happiest years, and maybe it's a look that he finds a measure of comfort with.

I believe Derick said that he hadn't washed his hair in two years while in Napal. Anyone else recall that?

[Jynnan tonnix]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzysox said:

I believe Derick said that he hadn't washed his hair in two years while in Napal. Anyone else recall that?

I wasn't following the show then, and still don't, really, aside from this forum.  I do hear it said that if you stop washing your hair, eventually the oils work themselves out and your hair will find a balance. Who knows...for some that might work and for others it might be a catastrophe For all we know it worked for him then, but doesn't now because he takes more regular showers and his body chemistry doesn't know which way to adjust anymore....I do believe that it's probably entirely possible to adjust to very infrequent bathing over time without becoming a complete pariah, but it's mostly impossible for anyone to survive the breaking-in period (for lack of a better term) without alienating pretty much everyone in the vicinity.

[toodles]

26 minutes ago, Fuzzysox said:

I believe Derick said that he hadn't washed his hair in two years while in Napal. Anyone else recall that?

That's just gross.  I'm holding my nose with one hand and typing with the other.  Nepal must be a fragrant place.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Unless he's part of the "no poo" movement where people use a dry shampoo...

Otherwise, he'd have lice and fleas if he didn't at least run water and baking soda thru it....

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Unless he's part of the "no poo" movement where people use a dry shampoo...

Otherwise, he'd have lice and fleas if he didn't at least run water and baking soda thru it....

People can get fleas?

[ginger90]

Lice are actually attracted to clean shiny hair.

[lascuba]

8 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Unless he's part of the "no poo" movement where people use a dry shampoo...

 

No poo means using conditioner or things like baking soda and vinegar to wash hair and scalp, not dry shampoo (which has been associated with hair loss if used as a regular replacement for cleansing,  because it doesn't actually clean the scalp, just makes the hair look less oily).

I don't recall Derick saying anything about not washing his hair for two years, and I can't imagine that that would be true. An oily scalp might regulate a bit with less frequent washing, but it still needs regular washing and two years without on someone with an obviously oily scalp like Derick would have been a disaster on multiple levels. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

That's right....one of my friends who does no poo will also use the dry in between the baking soda or vinegar wash.

Derick not washing his hair for 2 years sounds like an urban myth.  Since services are cheap in Nepal, he may have paid to have his hair washed and to get the neck and scalp massage..might be more correct that he didn't wash his own hair because he paid to have it done. If it cost the equivalent of a quarter over there for all of that, I'd pay someone too for all that massage.

[sheshark]

Just remembered when Derick first got has jaw surgery and braces.  People here speculated it might be JimBoob's influence since he is all about the 'countenance'. (?).  Most agreed he looked ok prior to surgery but yikes, not anymore.  Derick the Rebel?

[AnnieBeez]

I live in Portland and know people who do not wash their hair. It does stabilize and just looks shiny and doesn't smell--no fleas, no lice, no mold or mildew growing. I personally couldn't do it, but it is done. It still gets rinsed under the shower. 

As for the Dillards, I don't know. I think people who don't like them glom onto any reason not to. I watched and looked for piano-gate. What I saw was joking around, nothing frightening. 

[Minivanessa]

Derick's stuck with kind of a built-in grunge look in photographs, especially when he's got the long hair and beard going. It's I think a function of his facial structure plus being so skinny and often looking tired. I'm sure they posted pics of him, especially when in DA, where he looked actually dirty. But I also think that he's one of those people whose hair can be clean but if it looks stringy, people will think "dirty!"

Hope that made sense. I was writing this when @MischaMouse's post appeared. I agree: looks like if you're healthy and keep it rinsed, you can stop shampooing your hair and it will stabilize. Here's a clip from an episode of The Doctors featuring a woman who hadn't used anything to clean her hair except water and occasional baking soda, for five years. They used a scope on her scalp which showed it was just fine.

I haven't kept score, but I think I've more often thought Jill needed a good shampoo and face wash than Derick, when looking at their pictures. 

[MamaMax]

I got nothing against a dude with long hair and/or facial hair, but I hate an unkempt beard. Trim that up, man. Shape it, make it look intentional. 

I have always assumed that his skinniness since marriage (and he was always skinny, he's just even skinnier now) was due to their Danger America sitch. You know, not a lot of money, maybe some intestinal issues with the local water, lots of physical exercise, plus Muffy can't cook = skinny dude. Maybe eveb some viral/mosquito borne illnesses in the mix. 

[ariel]

9 hours ago, MischaMouse said:

 

As for the Dillards, I don't know. I think people who don't like them glom onto any reason not to. I watched and looked for piano-gate. What I saw was joking around, nothing frightening. 

Did you see Derick's Cat-gate?

[Ljohnson1987]

Jill and Derick are having another boy.

 

http://people.com/babies/jill-duggar-dillard-announces-gender-second-baby-derick-dillard/

[Nysha]

On 1/27/2017 at 11:28 AM, lascuba said:

Anyone else think he's keeping his hair long because he doesn't want Jill to cut it but doesn't want to tell her that?

I think it's his personal FU to his overbearing father-in-law. He's the first person I've  seen that looks better in a manbun than with his hair down.

Since they're having a boy, I predict this one will be named Jericho or Nazareth, depending on how "holy" they want to be.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Nysha

[JoanArc]

Good. They don't need a girl.

[Rabbittron]

3 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Jill and Derick are having another boy.

 

http://people.com/babies/jill-duggar-dillard-announces-gender-second-baby-derick-dillard/

Who cares.

[StaceyNotStacie]

13 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I think it's his personal FU to his overbearing father-in-law. He's the first person I've  seen that looks better in a manbun than with his hair down.

Since they're having a boy, I predict this one will be named Jericho or Nazareth, depending on how "holy" they want to be.

If they're going with an "I" theme, I predict Isaac or Isaiah. 

[BitterApple]

19 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Who cares.

That about sums it up.

[HooHooHoo]

What a strange outfit for the photo. I guess not strange, but just not special. Looks like she grabbed some random things out of Israel's too small pile. So many cute baby boy options nowadays. Is she even excited about this baby?  

[Barb23]

5 minutes ago, HooHooHoo said:

What a strange outfit for the photo. I guess not strange, but just not special. Looks like she grabbed some random things out of Israel's too small pile. So many cute baby boy options nowadays. Is she even excited about this baby?  

I agree.  Couldn't she have found a pair of blue baby booties/shoes?  Wonder how exciting the scavenger hunt was.  I'm sure they needed Jana's help in pulling it off.

[Sew Sumi]

Well, our first Sweeps announcement. I expect Joy's engagement to be announced around Valentine's Day. 

As for Derick, did he have this in mind in Danger America?

[farmgal4]

13 minutes ago, HooHooHoo said:

What a strange outfit for the photo. I guess not strange, but just not special. Looks like she grabbed some random things out of Israel's too small pile. So many cute baby boy options nowadays. Is she even excited about this baby?  

WTF is going on with that God-awful outfit?!  Couldn't they at least have gone to the consignment store to get a cute boy's outfit for a newborn, or used one that Izzy wore or borrowed one from Jessa?  These two idiots just really don't give a rat's ass about anything.  I feel so sorry for their children.

[birkenstock]

9 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Well, our first Sweeps announcement. I expect Joy's engagement to be announced around Valentine's Day. 

As for Derick, did he have this in mind in Danger America?

Thank you for my first real laugh of the day, Sew Sumi! 

 

ETA: Oh wow, they really don't care.  After reading about the outfit, I didn't expect much but jeez.  A handmade sign or blue hat would have been better than that outfit. Izzy was a big baby, maybe they're expecting the next one will fit into toddler sizes at birth.

Edited January 30, 2017 by birkenstock

[Arwen Evenstar]

I wonder if Dilly 2.0 will be another Giant White Baby....

[Barb23]

Can't believe People (magazine) called the outfit adorable. It doesn't even match.  Izzy is probably wondering why  his mother is holding up one of his old outfits. 

[Sew Sumi]

Just think, if Jessa is spitting out a boy this week, will there be time for them to share his clothes since he'll be the same size at 5 months as Muffy's newborn?

Edited January 30, 2017 by Sew Sumi