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Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

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Wait, she needed a friend to tell her taking kids outside to play is something she could do to tire the kids out? Seriously?

wait.what
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If my parents supported the person who sexually molested me as a child AND also profited from a show that portrayed them as God fearing, loving, better than everyone else parents AND then shunned ME? 

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If I didn’t know any better, and I bothered to think about it, I’d look at that picture and see, from left to right: - Polyamorous group of 4 - Straight couple - Lesbian couple with tod

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CalicoKitty

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12 hours ago, YupItsMe said:

I live in a very small town in AR (less than 2500) and we have our own “townopoly” sold at the local WalMart. I don’t know if it’s just for towns in AR or everywhere.

I think they are made everywhere but I don't know if it is a sponsored production.  My home town in CA has one.  I think they can be made for any town, but I'm not sure if they are sponsored by local businesses or the town itself.

 

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auntieminem

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Jill and Derick were interviewed on Unplanned podcast.  I don't know of this couple.  It is kind of long. I don't think there was anything new. Though toward the end they were asked last time they were with both Michelle and JB and Jill said a birthday party at Joy's some time and before that after Freddy was born. So makes me think that JB and Michelle may not have been home for the Christmas party at the big house. Toward the end they talk about the siblings and trying to have good relationships with them.  Or maybe this podcast was recorded before Christmas. Here is it is on youtube  

 

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floridamom

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WACB reported on this video and I watched her report on it. It seems that Derick has made some pretty strong statements indicating that JB would be very lucky if he wasn't audited by the IRS for his bookkeeping and tax returns regarding the childrens' incomes for the TV show. Derick states some pretty serious things. This is worth a listen. I will listen to it in it's entirety also. Thank you, auntieminem for the link.

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Natalie68

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19 hours ago, floridamom said:

WACB reported on this video and I watched her report on it. It seems that Derick has made some pretty strong statements indicating that JB would be very lucky if he wasn't audited by the IRS for his bookkeeping and tax returns regarding the childrens' incomes for the TV show. Derick states some pretty serious things. This is worth a listen. I will listen to it in it's entirety also. Thank you, auntieminem for the link.

I watched it even though listening to her try to speak bugs me.  With the details out about how he dealt with taxes the IRS better be paying attn.  Maybe Josh and JB can share a bunk.

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BetyBee

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19 hours ago, floridamom said:

WACB reported on this video and I watched her report on it. It seems that Derick has made some pretty strong statements indicating that JB would be very lucky if he wasn't audited by the IRS for his bookkeeping and tax returns regarding the childrens' incomes for the TV show. Derick states some pretty serious things. This is worth a listen. I will listen to it in it's entirety also. Thank you, auntieminem for the link.

I kind of thought the way Derick worded it, that perhaps JB has been audited once already. Perhaps I misheard, but I thought he said audited again? I think JB has some tricky and less than honest ways!

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floridamom

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I agree that Jill's "like", "yeah" and "whatever" was difficult to listen to. She talked over Derick way too many times and just interrupted him as if she was guarded in what he said. It seemed to me that she was deflecting what Derick wanted to say about Jim Bob. I think he wanted to stick it to him with the finances of the company and say way more than Jill "allowed" him to. Jill needs to improve on her speaking skills. (Just my opinion after listening to her.)

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GeeGolly

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If Derick knows of some financial crimes JB committed, why doesn't he report them? Or does he just want to continue playing the if I hate JB, folks will like me game?

Its not like Derick's comments are promoting what is in the book. I wonder how he'd feel if a pair of LGBTQ+ advocates were making the online blog circuit slamming him?

(not defending JB)

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SnapHappy

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Jim Bob & Michelle have been in this game for over 20 years. And with the retinue of lawyers and accountants he's had to employ over the years, I imagine he & his team know and make use of every financial and tax dodge, every shortcut, every loophole and every maneuver allowed by law. 

Dillwad as usual is running his mouth and bullshit just comes tumbling out.  He continues to be a sour-grapes tool.

Jim Bob is excrement, but I doubt he steps over the line legally. 

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lascuba

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2 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

Jim Bob & Michelle have been in this game for over 20 years. And with the retinue of lawyers and accountants he's had to employ over the years, I imagine he & his team know and make use of every financial and tax dodge, every shortcut, every loophole and every maneuver allowed by law. 

Dillwad as usual is running his mouth and bullshit just comes tumbling out.  He continues to be a sour-grapes tool.

Jim Bob is excrement, but I doubt he steps over the line legally. 

I tend to agree. There are so many legal loopholes surrounding taxes that he doesn't need to break the law to do well. At most, he might cross the line in a way that so many do that he's unlikely to suffer any repercussions, unless someone throws a dart and decides JB will be the one to make an example.

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GeeGolly

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19 hours ago, floridamom said:

I agree that Jill's "like", "yeah" and "whatever" was difficult to listen to. She talked over Derick way too many times and just interrupted him as if she was guarded in what he said. It seemed to me that she was deflecting what Derick wanted to say about Jim Bob. I think he wanted to stick it to him with the finances of the company and say way more than Jill "allowed" him to. Jill needs to improve on her speaking skills. (Just my opinion after listening to her.)

This right here. That is not a supportive husband. Derick needs to quit while he's ahead and leave some small opening for Jill to have a path to a reasonable relationship with her parents. That is what Jill wants. She has said it repeatedly. Derick needs to hear her and behave accordingly.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

6 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I don't know.  JB is in a unique situation, having 19 children and insisting that he is in charge of the money.  Having "children" over 18 blindly sign contracts when they don't know what they are signing sounds fishy to me.  This seems like it is more than just "loopholes".  This will be interesting.

I'm certain JB was more than creative with all the TLC income. He may even have crossed the line into illegal territory. But the adult kids blindly signing contracts is asshole parenting, not illegal.

I'm certain most, if not all adult children, would sign a contract their parent put in front of them with little or no explanation to what it entails. The difference being is most parents have their kids' best interests at heart.

And if the Coogan Law is used as a guideline, the kids all received more than 15% of their income with the payouts.

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ozziemom

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There are many people out there who push the limits on what would be classified as a business expense but they still show a net profit. In JimBoob’s case, I could see him reporting all his cars as business vehicles. The IRS doesn’t have the manpower to audit every tax return filed. I was a tax preparer for over 30 years and some people tried to say all kinds of expenses were business related. And while we tried to explain the rules etc. and weed out errors, not every tax preparer does that. And clients would lie too. I can’t tell you how many clients told me their golf buddy wrote off this or that, so surely they could too! 🤦🏽‍♀️

All this to say, I would not be surprised if a forensic accountant took a look at the Duggar Empire and discovered some shady transactions but Dreck moaning about Boob is not going to trigger the IRS investigation.

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I don't want to disparage their experience, but a four-month fetus is no more a stillbirth than Jubilee was. Jill had a second-trimester miscarriage. 

I wish the Dillards healing and the sense to realize that Jill's body has been through enough already. They're playing Russian roulette with each pregnancy. Three kids is plenty. 

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Salacious Kitty

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13 hours ago, Heathen said:

I don't want to disparage their experience, but a four-month fetus is no more a stillbirth than Jubilee was. Jill had a second-trimester miscarriage. 

I wish the Dillards healing and the sense to realize that Jill's body has been through enough already. They're playing Russian roulette with each pregnancy. Three kids is plenty. 

You'd think someone trained as a midwife would know proper terminology. I chalk that up to her shitty education under Vanessa. 

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GeeGolly

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4 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

You'd think someone trained as a midwife would know proper terminology. I chalk that up to her shitty education under Vanessa. 

Well since childhood Jill has been big on getting attention and sympathy. And as much as my heart goes out to her, I tend to think she knows she's stretching the truth.

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43 minutes ago, Absolom said:

It’s hard to know usually exactly when the fetus died isn’t it? 20 weeks is legally a stillbirth. That’s  a bit over 4 1/2 months.

Technically, yes.  Before 20 weeks, the medical term is fetal demise (baby died in the womb) while after, it is a stillbirth.  However, I don't begrudge any woman going through the experience to decide for herself what terms are right for her.  Jill was far enough along that she may well have felt the baby move.  It was a fully formed fetus; anyone looking at it would know what it was and be able to tell it was a girl.  Then, Jill had to go through the process of being induced and delivering a child who was no longer alive.  No matter what you call it,  it sucks and my heart goes out to her.

As far as knowing the gestational age, just like ultrasound, the earlier, the more accurate.  All babies are roughly the same size before 20 weeks; their length and weight can be compared against the standards and the pathologist can come up with a fairly accurate estimate, within a week or so anyway.  The only caveat is that, if the baby has serious birth defects or some long term issue that ultimately resulted in the demise; it might not have been growing according to the charts before death and the gestational age underestimated.

Joy and Jill now have this experience in common, I hope they can support one another.  I have no illusions that Michelle will be much help despite her own pregnancy history.

BTW, there is a national charity, Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep (NILMDTS) whose members are professional photographers.  They voluntarily arrange a free photo shoot for any family that loses a child.  They take beautiful photos, give the parents lots of leeway as to what they want and then present the parents with a beautiful album of photos of themselves and their child, along with the digital card.  They're doing God's work, IMO and I have often wondered how they are able to do such a good job while sobbing their hearts out as it's rare that one makes it through a full shoot without shedding some tears.

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Salacious Kitty

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4 minutes ago, ranchgirl said:

I am sad for Jill.  To lose a baby that far along would be very difficult for me or if it happened to my daughter.   I do hope her siblings reached out and offered their support and comfort to her and Derick.  

I wonder how many of them even knew before they made it public?

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