Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Darknight]

On 6/8/2017 at 1:47 PM, Lunera said:

Josh wearing his scarlet letter.

Damn he looks old. 

[rue721]

On 6/6/2017 at 3:59 PM, Mollie said:

The state trooper was a personal friend of Jim Bob Duggar and was the official who inspected his car lot business, even though he stated in the police interogation that he simply went to the nearest police station to report Josh.  Jim Bob also says that he has a witness: a (homechurch) elder who went with Jim Bob and Josh to see Joseph Hutchens.  Jim Bob stated that this meeting took place shortly after July 17, 2003.

Of course, something just smells about all of this.  Joseph Hutchens was imprisoned on child pornography charges in 2007.  Hutchens was imprisoned for five years, then freed, but went back to prison in 2010 for similar offenses; he is now serving a 56-year sentence.  

So how is it that Jim Bob found the only law officer who was photographing naked children, buying and selling child porn, and sexually chatting with minor children on the Internet?  I've often wondered if Josh had a camera in his hand when he was in his sisters' panties. 

To me, this is one of the fishiest parts of the whole story. You find out that your son has been molesting your daughters, so for "help," you take him directly the child molester and pornographer that you happen to have on speed dial? What kind of "help" are you hoping to get for him from THAT man?

The Duggars seem to have had a close and "mutually beneficial" relationship with this predatory scumbag -- and an even closer one with Gothard, who is yet another similarly predatory scumbag. Then their oldest son turns out to have a lot of disgusting and disturbing sexual problems, from childhood on. Judging by that MK interview alone, their older daughters have clearly normalized sexual abuse (as well as other kinds of abuse, I'm sure). Many of their children seem *so unhappy.* All those pictures of sad Jenny, for example. Perpetually stressed out Johanna, who for long periods of time had her face covered in sores. This is all SO SUSPICIOUS to me. I feel like the scope of what is going on could be quite large. I wonder if the Duggars were and are systematically exposing their children to worse predators than Josh. Well no, I know that they have, just based on them exposing their children to the predators that we know about (Gothard, for example). But I'm suspicious that there is a whole lot more to learn.

Josh is a shithead, but he's also small potatoes. He also seems fucking off his rocker. (I think some of this behavior could be called "decompensation"?). I suspect that he's only a symptom of a larger problem. I think the darkness coming from him is just the tip of the iceberg. And IMO that could be why the family has been so eager to protect him. I don't think that there's so much love lost between him and the rest of the family or the rest of the cult. But I think that they're afraid that if he really goes down, he'll take a lot of other people with him.

But I hope that he really goes down for JUST that reason. I want to see who he takes with him when he goes. My hope is that now that he's joined the lawsuit, JB's fears will all be realized, and a whole lot more will come out about the cult as a whole and about associated individuals in particular.

On 6/7/2017 at 0:37 AM, MaryAnneSpier said:

On a forum that has been shut down, we discussed that it likely was all tied to his broken engagement with a Holtz girl and his dad losing the election due to "sin in the camp". Now that we all know what happened, and that the parents went to their church elders for guidance, this makes sense. 

"Church elders" and "guidance." *vomit* I wonder about what kinds of guidance they gave. I don't trust any of these people. The Duggars are the most visible but that doesn't mean they're the worst. I feel like maybe they were just feeding the beast. Supplying child after child for...what? Damage the kid and then marry him or her off ASAP, over and over and over.

On 6/7/2017 at 4:36 PM, Churchhoney said:

I can only imagine that he's only in this for the money -- and that Jim Bob must be okay with this, thinking that an additional plaintiff will bring in more cash? really? really? really? and yet it's Jim Bob....

I think that Josh may have some leverage with JB because he probably knows where a lot of the bodies are buried, and he's crazy and desperate enough to spill. He has NOTHING to lose. His image will never be rehabbed. Maybe letting him join this lawsuit is JB's attempt at appeasing him enough to keep quiet. Joining is clearly a terrible idea, so I think it's coming from Josh's batshit crazy mind, not JB's shrewd one.

And as for why Josh may want to join...I think it might not be about money, either. Or maybe not just about money. If he gives information because he's forced to on the stand or in a deposition, then he will "have" to break the cult's code of silence. It would give him the possible opportunity to tell the story without being held culpable (by the cult and/or his parents) for snitching. I also think he likely does feel a compulsion to break that code of silence, both because he seems prone to confessing and exposing himself, and because telling "his side of the story" might (he probably hopes) take some of the weight of blame off of himself and put it on others who were involved.

Also, I do think that Josh is disgusting and untrustworthy in the extreme, but I don't think he's a sociopath. Who knows how he feels about raising his own children in this cult, too. It's not probable by any stretch, but it is possible that, if there's anything to "blow the lid off" of, he feels some duty to blow the lid off of things for their sake. Especially now that yet another one is coming down the pike, and Mack is reaching a certain age.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, and I am not by any stretch a Josh apologist. I just think that the rot in this group of people goes a whole lot deeper than him, and I hope that they don't manage to avoid further investigation by sacrificing him as a scapegoat. He does deserve to be sacrificed, but if he's part of a whole web of fuckedupness -- and I think he is, because he didn't do this alone -- then I want the WHOLE web exposed and destroyed.

[Mollie]

According to a family insider, Josh is having money problems.  His old car lot business was failing before he went to DC, according to what Josh and Anna both said on an old 19 Kids episode, and that was before the scandals were made public.

Now, he probably finds that not too many people are eager to buy a used car from a confessed liar and a cheater.  Go figure.  

If they are going to continue popping out babies,  he might just have to go look for a real job.  

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-anna-duggar-pregnancy-baby-plan/

[Sew Sumi]

Didn't Smuggar resign (under duress; he would have been fired) after Joshgate I? I am pretty sure they were back in AR when Joshley Madison broke.

[toodles]

I guess the AM trial is underway.  Pickles has a radar article about it.  Josh is crying that the trial is not in Arkansas.  It's in Cali.  I guess Boob doesn't have any California judges in his pocket.

[Triple P]

1 hour ago, toodles said:

I guess the AM trial is underway.  Pickles has a radar article about it.  Josh is crying that the trial is not in Arkansas.  It's in Cali.  I guess Boob doesn't have any California judges in his pocket.

According to the article, the DJ's attornies filed a pretrial motion on June 7 in response to Josh's attornies' motion to have the case dismissed because the lawsuit was filed in California not Arkansas.

[JoanArc]

Maybe Josh should've looked where the guy lived before he stole his picture? It's not like Josh can pretend he's not guilty, we know he did this. He's just delaying the inevitable, do doing what he learned at Daddy's knee, escaping consequences.

On 6/10/2017 at 3:22 PM, Mollie said:

If they are going to continue popping out babies,  he might just have to go look for a real job.  

He's printing a Certified Professional Victim certificate as we speak.

[toodles]

4 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Maybe Josh should've looked where the guy lived before he stole his picture? It's not like Josh can pretend he's not guilty, we know he did this. He's just delaying the inevitable, do doing what he learned at Daddy's knee, escaping consequences.

He's printing a Certified Professional Victim certificate as we speak.

That certificate will be in big bold letters.  

Poor Josh!    Not only is he in a lawsuit for stealing someone's picture for a cheater's website, but the suit was filed in heathen California!  Not even God's country!!  It's just so unfair!!

THEN, he HAD TO add himself to his sisters' lawsuit because he was a victim too!!!  Can you even imagine?  People are just so mean!!  The fact that he molested his sisters in the first place is not important.  The important thing is Joshua and all his trials and tribulations.  Why, all his problems put Job to shame.

I'll give you all a moment to find a tissue so you can wipe the tear from your eye at this sad, sad story.

[Sew Sumi]

44 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Maybe Josh should've looked where the guy lived before he stole his picture? It's not like Josh can pretend he's not guilty, we know he did this. He's just delaying the inevitable, do doing what he learned at Daddy's knee, escaping consequences.

He's printing a Certified Professional Victim certificate as we speak.

I suppose Smuggar didn't have to be at this hearing. If he did, he flew commercial. The big plane flew to Fort Wayne, IN this morning. No activity on the Cessna.

[Triple P]

A Radar article from May 25 states that Josh is due to testify on June 22. I suppose that may be delayed depending on the judgement on the pretrial motions.

Of course Josh isn't guilty of harming the DJ's reputation and livelihood! The DJ is at fault for posting his picture on the internet for anyone to see. It is his fault that he stirred up desires in Josh (bc Josh wishes he looked like the DJ) which allowed Satan to force Josh into stealing the picture for his online profile. ?

[Sew Sumi]

It's always someone else's fault, including the devil, with them, isn't it?

And my bad. I thought the hearing was today for some reason.

[Mollie]

Josh also used that guy's picture on a Facebook page he made.  He was friends with local dancers in strip clubs in NW Arkansas.  He set up that page before he moved to D.C.  I don't think Josh was ever faithful to Anna.  I hope it all comes out in this trial, everything he did on those dating sites.  Anna may not realize it now, but someday she's going to have to explain to her kids why she stayed married to this scumbag.  Those poor kids are just a few years away from learning what the world thinks of their father.   

[Marigold]

Josh is a scumbag. Literally.

Any remote chance he had of trying to rehabilitate his image is gone. 

[Triple P]

42 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

It's always someone else's fault, including the devil, with them, isn't it?

And my bad. I thought the hearing was today for some reason.

I thought you were referring to the motions actually and providing the reported trial date to assist with your sleuthing. ?

[Marigold]

Josh should STFU and work on his Redemption Tour with Anna.  Not jump into a lawsuit with the sisters he molested.  Duh. 

It's Delusional Duggar Syndrome, once again.  

[WhineandCheez]

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Poor Josh!    Not only is he in a lawsuit for stealing someone's picture for a cheater's website, but the suit was filed in heathen California!  Not even God's country!!  It's just so unfair!!

...and what if the Judge is a Ho-Mo-sect-u-al!!  I heard that almost everyone in California is!

Edited June 12, 2017 by WhineandCheez

[toodles]

20 hours ago, WhineandCheez said:

...and what if the Judge is a Ho-Mo-sect-u-al!!  I heard that almost everyone in California is!

Or worse, a WOMEN.

 

Edited June 13, 2017 by toodles
Fixing my boo boo

[floridamom]

Or, a woman homosexual.

[toodles]

Just now, floridamom said:

Or, a woman homosexual.

The horror.

[MargeGunderson]

6 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Maybe Josh should've looked where the guy lived before he stole his picture? It's not like Josh can pretend he's not guilty, we know he did this. He's just delaying the inevitable, do doing what he learned at Daddy's knee, escaping consequences.

He's printing a Certified Professional Victim certificate as we speak.

Hey, he's a victim of Satan! How would you like it if someone built a fortress in your heart? Ouch!

[Mollie]

I can't believe that Josh didn't settle this out of court.  He obviously used that guy's picture and there's no denying that.  He's only being sued for $25,000.  If it goes to court, Josh will probably have to pay that plus about $10,000 in the guy's attorney fees, plus pay his own attorney fees.  Not to mention the fact that he will have his dating life exposed for all to see if this goes to trial. 

He settled with Danica the porn star out of court and apparently the 5th molestation victim.  I wonder what went wrong with this case?

[TaxNerd]

8 hours ago, Triple P said:

According to the article, the DJ's attornies filed a pretrial motion on June 7 in response to Josh's attornies' motion to have the case dismissed because the lawsuit was filed in California not Arkansas.

And yet Josh just joined a lawsuit to sue In Touch, filed in Arkansas....

[Annb67]

My understanding, I could be wrong, was that the DJ was like "Nope, not settling."

[AUgirl]

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To me, this is one of the fishiest parts of the whole story. You find out that your son has been molesting your daughters, so for "help," you take him directly the child molester and pornographer that you happen to have on speed dial? What kind of "help" are you hoping to get for him from THAT man

Which does not excuse his behavior but makes you wonder if Josh was a victim of abuse as well. 

[Marigold]

10 minutes ago, Annb67 said:

My understanding, I could be wrong, was that the DJ was like "Nope, not settling."

Could the DJ make money off of this from interviews or TV appearances etc.? 

Or maybe he is just making a statement and it's not about money for him. 

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, MargeGunderson said:

Hey, he's a victim of Satan! How would you like it if someone built a fortress in your heart? Ouch!

Naw, that's just plack in his arteries from the chicketti.

[toodles]

17 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

18 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

Naw, that's just plack in his arteries from the chicketti.

It's an easy mistake to make.

[floridamom]

JB's story doesn't add up to me....he stated that he took Josh to the 'first police station he could find"???? The Duggars have been living in Tontitown for 5 generations...he doesn't know where an appropriate law enforcement station is located in his hometown of 2,000 people? He took Josh to a State Troopers office..not the sheriffs department or the Tontitown Police Department. State Troopers deal with traffic incidents mainly, don't they? Why wouldn't JB have taken Josh to the sheriff's department of the local Department of Family Services? That would have been correct. He took him to a 'friend state trooper'...looks like he still wanted for this to remain a private matter if you ask me.

[JoanArc]

 Jim Bob claimed they weren't friends, just at that state trooper was the person on duty at the time. He claimed he didn't know each other at all. 

 

Uh huh...

[questionfear]

13 hours ago, Marigold said:

Could the DJ make money off of this from interviews or TV appearances etc.? 

Or maybe he is just making a statement and it's not about money for him. 

I could be totally wrong but I think this is about making a statement. The DJ hasn't been all over tabloids, he just went straight to a lawyer and sued, and has been laser focused since then. That to me is the response of someone who really wants Josh to face some kind of real justice, even it pales in comparison to all the other crap he pulled. 

[Absolom]

19 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Jim Bob claimed they weren't friends, just at that state trooper was the person on duty at the time. He claimed he didn't know each other at all. 

This would be the same state trooper who was in charge of inspecting the used car lots in that area?

[JoanArc]

8 minutes ago, Absolom said:

This would be the same state trooper who was in charge of inspecting the used car lots in that area?

Mhm. It's in the Kelly interview. 

[Aja]

I love how, in addition to all their other lovely qualities, the Duggars assume their demographic is really, really fucking stupid.

[Annb67]

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

 Jim Bob claimed they weren't friends, just at that state trooper was the person on duty at the time. He claimed he didn't know each other at all. 

 

Uh huh...

Yeah right. And the Duggars work....

[Sew Sumi]

6 hours ago, questionfear said:

I could be totally wrong but I think this is about making a statement. The DJ hasn't been all over tabloids, he just went straight to a lawyer and sued, and has been laser focused since then. That to me is the response of someone who really wants Josh to face some kind of real justice, even it pales in comparison to all the other crap he pulled. 

I hope the guy also knows about the FB page Smuggar used with his image to "friend" strippers.

[Mollie]

23 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I hope the guy also knows about the FB page Smuggar used with his image to "friend" strippers.

My mistake.  The picture Josh used for that Facebook account was a picture of Jonathan Blankfein, the son of Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein. Blankfein is a Harvard graduate and has never lived in Arkansas 

He set up that Facebook page four years before he married Anna.  He was 16 years old!  The last entry was dated 2014, when he worked at FRC. He removed the page as soon as the Ashley Madison scandal started.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-cheating-scandal-friends-arkansas-strippers-facebook/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206290/The-strippers-lingerie-models-Josh-Duggar-friends-secret-Facebook-account.html

[Sew Sumi]

Thanks for the correction. I was sure I'd read it was the DJ.

[Mollie]

2 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Thanks for the correction. I was sure I'd read it was the DJ.

I posted that it was.  That's why it was my mistake.  Sorry for the confusion.

[Sew Sumi]

Gotcha! I'm on my phone, and it's a pain to open hotlinks. :)

[JoanArc]

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He set up that Facebook page four years before he married Anna.  He was 16 years old!

Oh Dear, I didn't know it was from age 16. Double life indeed!

[Mollie]

On 6/14/2017 at 1:38 AM, JoanArc said:

Oh Dear, I didn't know it was from age 16. Double life indeed!

All of Josh's interest in inappropriate sex came from Jim Bob.  From 1999 to 2002, when Josh was 11 to 14, Jim Bob was serving as a State Representative.  Jim Bob took Josh to all of the sessions.  Instead of sending Josh to school, Josh was listening to things inappropriate for his age.  Incest was discussed and strip bars were discussed.

In his four years as a state representative, Duggar sponsored or co-sponsored many bills that dealt with sexual assault and its appropriate punishment.  Duggar was a co-sponsor on a bill in January 2001 that aimed to add more categories to the definition of sex offenses in the state’s Sex and Child Offender Registration Act.  The additional categories were “permitting the abuse of a child,” and “pandering or possessing visual or print medium depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child.”

Duggar also was the lead sponsor on a 2001 bill that would have made 21 the legal age for nude dancing. The bill died just two months later in committee, but Duggar touted his effort on his 2002 Senate website.

This early exposure to adult issues had a profound effect on Josh and screwed up his thinking from an early age.  Josh should have never been allowed to hear those adult discussions.  He should have been in school.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Mollie

[AnnieBeez]

49 minutes ago, Mollie said:

All of Josh's interest in inappropriate sex came from Jim Bob.  From 1999 to 2002, when Josh was 11 to 14, Jim Bob was serving as a State Representative.  Jim Bob took Josh to all of the sessions.  Instead of sending Josh to school, Josh was listening to things inappropriate for his age.  Incest was disgusted and strip bars were discussed.

In his four years as a state representative, Duggar sponsored or co-sponsored many bills that dealt with sexual assault and its appropriate punishment.  Duggar was a co-sponsor on a bill in January 2001 that aimed to add more categories to the definition of sex offenses in the state’s Sex and Child Offender Registration Act.  The additional categories were “permitting the abuse of a child,” and “pandering or possessing visual or print medium depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child.”

Duggar also was the lead sponsor on a 2001 bill that would have made 21 the legal age for nude dancing. The bill died just two months later in committee, but Duggar touted his effort on his 2002 Senate website.

This early exposure to adult issues had a profound effect on Josh and screwed up his thinking from an early age.  Josh should have never been allowed to hear those adult discussions.  He should have been in school.

In hindsight, I see Josh shadowing Jim Bob as a way to keep an eye on him and him out of the house.

[JoanArc]

I don't think hearing Jim Bob's legislative sessions is what screwed Josh up.

[awaken]

1 hour ago, Mollie said:

All of Josh's interest in inappropriate sex came from Jim Bob.  From 1999 to 2002, when Josh was 11 to 14, Jim Bob was serving as a State Representative.  Jim Bob took Josh to all of the sessions.  Instead of sending Josh to school, Josh was listening to things inappropriate for his age.  Incest was disgusted and strip bars were discussed.

In his four years as a state representative, Duggar sponsored or co-sponsored many bills that dealt with sexual assault and its appropriate punishment.  Duggar was a co-sponsor on a bill in January 2001 that aimed to add more categories to the definition of sex offenses in the state’s Sex and Child Offender Registration Act.  The additional categories were “permitting the abuse of a child,” and “pandering or possessing visual or print medium depicting sexually explicit conduct involving a child.”

Duggar also was the lead sponsor on a 2001 bill that would have made 21 the legal age for nude dancing. The bill died just two months later in committee, but Duggar touted his effort on his 2002 Senate website.

This early exposure to adult issues had a profound effect on Josh and screwed up his thinking from an early age.  Josh should have never been allowed to hear those adult discussions.  He should have been in school.

OMG these people are obsessed with sex!  What was the legal age for nude dancing before?  Younger than 21?

[Almost 3000]

17 minutes ago, MischaMouse said:

In hindsight, I see Josh shadowing Jim Bob as a way to keep an eye on him and him out of the house.

Michelle has talked about "tomato staking" and said it was keeping the offending child right next to you. Shadowing is mentoring but tomato staking is more like a punishment.  At least that's how I took it. There was speculation that Jana was tomato staked for awhile.

[bigskygirl]

17 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

I don't think hearing Jim Bob's legislative sessions is what screwed Josh up.

I think Josh would have turned out this way even if he had a happy, normal functioning childhood and parents. I know guys who had a decent childhood and parents and ended up molesting or sexually abusing women. Josh's childhood was not pleasant and JB and Michelle need to take part of the blame, but not all of it.

[Scarlett45]

18 minutes ago, awaken said:

OMG these people are obsessed with sex!  What was the legal age for nude dancing before?  Younger than 21?

18. 

 

3 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I think Josh would have turned out this way even if he had a happy, normal functioning childhood and parents. I know guys who had a decent childhood and parents and ended up molesting or sexually abusing women. Josh's childhood was not pleasant and JB and Michelle need to take part of the blame, but not all of it.

Yes I agree. The "women as chattel" and "social isolation from same aged peers" probably didn't help Josh, but there are many people that grow up in "normal" families that choose to sexually assault others. Josh gets no sympathy from me. 

 

I do think JB took Josh to meetings and things to keep an eye on him. 

[Westiepeach]

22 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

Michelle has talked about "tomato staking" and said it was keeping the offending child right next to you. Shadowing is mentoring but tomato staking is more like a punishment.  At least that's how I took it. There was speculation that Jana was tomato staked for awhile.

I have also heard that about Jana ...

[JoanArc]

14 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I do think JB took Josh to meetings and things to keep an eye on him. 

He was also a piss poor 1 trick leguslator with literally nothing else going for him other than family size.  Josh was a prop. Somehow I love the idea that Josh had seen more internet breasts than his idiot father. It had to burn Jim Bob up that Josh was more successfull with women in the real world than he had ever been. Even if there were bar hoppers or hookers.

 

Nude dancing is usually 18, along with being able to do porn, etc. Not sure what JimBob was gonna accomplish with that law.  It would've been nothing but serve his ego. 

Edited June 14, 2017 by JoanArc

[Scarlett45]

9 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

He was also a piss poor 1 trick leguslator with literally nothing else going for him other than family size.  Josh was a prop. Somehow I love the idea that Josh had seen more internet breasts than his idiot father. It had to burn Jim Bob up that Josh was more successfull with women in the real world than he had ever been. Even if there were bar hoppers or hookers.

 

Nude dancing is usually 18, along with being able to do porn, etc. Not sure what JimBob was gonna accomplish with that law.  It would've been nothing but serve his ego. 

Oh I don't disagree with you, I was stating that to mean that it wasn't the "shadowing" that made Josh the way he was.