Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[graefin]

2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I can't remember which poster it was, but didn't somebody here (or maybe on TWoP) meet the Duggars when they were touring on the stink bus and said Anna was rude and standoffish? I know I'm not making this up, I'm just fuzzy on the details. 

I think that was FakeJoshDuggar. I'd tag her here, but I have no idea how to do that!

[Sew Sumi]

4 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

I'm too lazy to do a full google search.  Any suggestions on where to find some of these stories?  I'm curious.

Recovering Grace is Gothard-centric. There are TONS of stories there.

[Sew Sumi]

14 minutes ago, graefin said:

I think that was FakeJoshDuggar. I'd tag her here, but I have no idea how to do that!

Yes, it was @FakeJoshDuggar. 

[Lady Edith]

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

I believe it does work somewhat along those lines.  I've forgotten the name of the company, but there is a Duggar Family Entertainment or equivalent corporation or there was for awhile.

This is what I'm thinking...if the "corporation" still exists, the kidults and howlers (and even JB and Michelle) could be "employees" of the corporation, who are then "contracted" to TLC as "actors" for the shows.  That way the "corporation" would be the named payee on salaries and not the individual family members.  And therefore,  none of them would receive a paycheck per se.  The "corporation" would receive the money.  Think of it like someone working for a temp agency.  Their salary is paid via fees that the agency charges their client for the employee's work.   The employee does not technically work for the client, they work for the agency.

At any rate, in exchange for their appearances on the shows, the family could be contracted to the "corporation" to receive room and board, clothing, and incidentals as compensation.  So that way they have no attachable income or assets and, therefore, there's nothing to be gained in a lawsuit.  No assets, no income.  Jim Bob (and the "corporation") most likely couldn't be sued for any of Josh's adult insurrections with the stripper or the poor guy who became Josh's online avatar (that I know of...again, not an attorney), as they are simply Anna's employer.  

All speculation, of course.  And pretty smart if it can be done legally, IMHO.  Again, I'm not an attorney.  I've just watched a LOT of legal drama shows on tv, lol!!!!

Edited March 24, 2017 by Lady Edith

[ginger90]

Duggar LLC

https://www.arkansas-register.com/811054978-duggar-properties-llc

[Natalie68]

23 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

This is what I'm thinking...if the "corporation" still exists, the kidults and howlers (and even JB and Michelle) could be "employees" of the corporation, who are then "contracted" to TLC as "actors" for the shows.  That way the "corporation" would be the named payee on salaries and not the individual family members.  And therefore,  none of them would receive a paycheck per se.  The "corporation" would receive the money.  Think of it like someone working for a temp agency.  Their salary is paid via fees that the agency charges their client for the employee's work.   The employee does not technically work for the client, they work for the agency.

At any rate, in exchange for their appearances on the shows, the family could be contracted to the "corporation" to receive room and board, clothing, and incidentals as compensation.  So that way they have no attachable income or assets and, therefore, there's nothing to be gained in a lawsuit.  No assets, no income.  Jim Bob (and the "corporation") most likely couldn't be sued for any of Josh's adult insurrections with the stripper or the poor guy who became Josh's online avatar (that I know of...again, not an attorney), as they are simply Anna's employer.  

All speculation, of course.  And pretty smart if it can be done legally, IMHO.  Again, I'm not an attorney.  I've just watched a LOT of legal drama shows on tv, lol!!!!

My sister and I say this a lot!  And then laugh at ourselves.  HA!  

I think this is most likely the scenario.  Wonder what the going rate is for the kidults pay?  Jim Boob is such a control freak I can see them maybe getting min wage.  I hope that is just made up bs by me.    

[GeeGolly]

I think we saw some pics of Jessa and Ben at TLC headquarters right before Counting On became a show. I think up until the new show all money went straight to JB with the exception of Josh & Anna who were listed as 'special guests' or something like that, at the end of the credits on the later shows of 19 & Counting. I'm guessing the married couples are getting their own paychecks. I'm curious if the adult SAH kids do.

As for Anna I think it's a lot easier for her to stay. Indoctrination/faith, finances, fame and family are reasons I can see her staying. When family reaches out to other family and offer help, like Anna's brother did, it's often temporary. I doubt he was offering to permanently support Anna and the kids. A single mother of four with no work history would need some time to be self-sustaining. Anna is not unique in trying to repair or remain in an unhealthy marriage. Like many of you, I'd be gone in a heartbeat, but I can wrap my head around her decision to stay.

[Lady Edith]

13 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

My sister and I say this a lot!  And then laugh at ourselves.  HA!  

I think this is most likely the scenario.  Wonder what the going rate is for the kidults pay?  Jim Boob is such a control freak I can see them maybe getting min wage.  I hope that is just made up bs by me.    

That's the thing...the kidults wouldn't get any pay.  Their upkeep would be paid for by the "corporation" in exchange for their work.  A pretty sweet deal, IMHO.  Picture it...no bills to pay and no worries about buying groceries.  No expenses for clothing or housing, either.  All paid for by the boss!  And those drippy sundaes and dates at Tacos 4 Us (or whatever it's called)?  Expense accounts set up with the businesses.  The businesses could run a tab which could then be billed to the "corporation" each month.  That would explain why we see them going to the same restaurants and coffee houses time and again.  And if they need money for things that are not covered via expense accounts?  Charge it against a small expense account via debit card that is set up in the "corporation's" name.  

I feel like I just went down the rabbit hole with all this speculation lol!!!!!!

[Natalie68]

3 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

That's the thing...the kidults wouldn't get any pay.  Their upkeep would be paid for by the "corporation" in exchange for their work.  A pretty sweet deal, IMHO.  Picture it...no bills to pay and no worries about buying groceries.  No expenses for clothing or housing, either.  All paid for by the boss!  And those drippy sundaes and dates at Tacos 4 Us (or whatever it's called)?  Expense accounts set up with the businesses.  The businesses could run a tab which could then be billed to the "corporation" each month.  That would explain why we see them going to the same restaurants and coffee houses time and again.  And if they need money for things that are not covered via expense accounts?  Charge it against a small expense account via debit card that is set up in the "corporation's" name.  

I feel like I just went down the rabbit hole with all this speculation lol!!!!!!

I would not be surprised if the kidults didn't see any actual cash.  That is awful though if true.  Provides zero freedom and you are up for review from the person in charge of the purse strings so you best spend that cash on approved items.  That's one way to keep your kids from buying any form of birth control.  It would also help stop another Ashley Madison scenario.  

[Lady Edith]

7 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I would not be surprised if the kidults didn't see any actual cash.  That is awful though if true.  Provides zero freedom and you are up for review from the person in charge of the purse strings so you best spend that cash on approved items.  That's one way to keep your kids from buying any form of birth control.  It would also help stop another Ashley Madison scenario.  

Exactly what I was thinking.  

This scenario would totally insulate them from any sort of lawsuit too, as they technically would have no assets for the courts to attach.  Everything is owned by the "corporation".  Cars, houses, furniture, computers, everything.  The kidults own nothing but the clothes on their backs and the food in the fridge. 

Think about it...the second scandal broke and Anna and Josh nearly immediately sold off their house (the very house they may still be occupying).  They were the only married couple who actually owned the home they lived in at the time.  Now, none of them own their dwelling.  

Edited March 24, 2017 by Lady Edith
Had another thought

[Natalie68]

5 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

Exactly what I was thinking.  

This scenario would totally insulate them from any sort of lawsuit too, as they technically would have no assets for the courts to attach.  Everything is owned by the "corporation".  Cars, houses, furniture, computers, everything.  The kidults own nothing but the clothes on their backs and the food in the fridge. 

Think about it...the second scandal broke and Anna and Josh nearly immediately sold off their house (the very house they may still be occupying).  They were the only married couple who actually owned the home they lived in at the time.  Now, none of them own their dwelling.  

I guess they are getting what they settle for.  NO ONE can stop them from leaving if they tried (the over 18s).  But there is a personal cost to giving up ones autonomy.  I feel sorry for exactly zero in that family.  Well I feel for Jenni and Jordyn.  They always have a look on their face that they are on to their parents and their bullshit.

[lascuba]

I think that at the very least the married kids have their own contracts and paychecks from TLC. Jim Bob is a control freak but I think marriage is the one line he respects...to a point. He'd think nothing of guilt trips and manipulation to ensure those contracts are favorable to him and the rest of the family, but he'd at least want the veneer of his married kids being semi-financially independent. He can justify giving them houses and whatever else, but not pulling any income at all? Even if it's just TLC which at base came from him, I doubt he'd be ok with that. 

Assuming the whole corporation thing is illegal (I don't even watch legal dramas so I really have no idea, I just hope it's illegal because that would be super sketchy), the unmarried kidults would have to have their own contracts, right? I could see them all putting that money in the Duggar family pot. Or, on the off-chance that JB has some limits on his hypocrisy, he could have set up trusts for each of them where they put in their money and it can't be touched until they're married. 

[FakeJoshDuggar]

7 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

You aren't making it up since I remember it too.  But like you I cannot remember details.

That was me.

[Sew Sumi]

Anna at the Ark Encounter with most of the rest of the gang. 

 

[YupItsMe]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

 

 

Yep, she definitely can't hide it anymore.

[Sew Sumi]

Not nearly as big as Jill, though. She's not that far ahead of Anna, gestation-wise, but looks like she could pop at any second. 

Edited March 25, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[ginger90]

Still no public congratulations from the Duggar crew. Sad, to me.

Edited March 25, 2017 by ginger90

[lookeyloo]

11 hours ago, lascuba said:

I think that at the very least the married kids have their own contracts and paychecks from TLC. Jim Bob is a control freak but I think marriage is the one line he respects...to a point. He'd think nothing of guilt trips and manipulation to ensure those contracts are favorable to him and the rest of the family, but he'd at least want the veneer of his married kids being semi-financially independent. He can justify giving them houses and whatever else, but not pulling any income at all? Even if it's just TLC which at base came from him, I doubt he'd be ok with that. 

Assuming the whole corporation thing is illegal (I don't even watch legal dramas so I really have no idea, I just hope it's illegal because that would be super sketchy), the unmarried kidults would have to have their own contracts, right? I could see them all putting that money in the Duggar family pot. Or, on the off-chance that JB has some limits on his hypocrisy, he could have set up trusts for each of them where they put in their money and it can't be touched until they're married. 

I'm thinking he "sold" them on the "great idea" that Daddy manage everything for them.  No fuss for them, easy $$, protecting assets.  They are only quasi-adults, those older kids, none of them seem competent in much, especially money management, except maybe Babe, and I wonder if it is illegal for them to "voluntarily" sign the paperwork giving Daddy that power and authority.  And they could get a raise every time they have a kid.

[Fuzzysox]

20 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I can't remember which poster it was, but didn't somebody here (or maybe on TWoP) meet the Duggars when they were touring on the stink bus and said Anna was rude and standoffish? I know I'm not making this up, I'm just fuzzy on the details. 

It was here  since I remember her posting the pictures of the encounter.

[ThinkerBell]

Because of Josh, Anna has repeatedly had to lower her marriage standards. She'll put up with anything at this point in her marriage and just hope that things don't get worse. If/when they do, she'll again lower her expectations, but she'll never leave. That poor, innocent baby - no matter what M name they come up with, people will always secretly know him as Curad Ouchless Duggar. My heart breaks for that kid, and his older siblings too.

[Churchhoney]

23 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

I'm too lazy to do a full google search.  Any suggestions on where to find some of these stories?  I'm curious.

Recovering Grace is an ex-Gothard place                               http://www.recoveringgrace.org/ 

[doodlebug]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

I'm thinking he "sold" them on the "great idea" that Daddy manage everything for them.  No fuss for them, easy $$, protecting assets.  They are only quasi-adults, those older kids, none of them seem competent in much, especially money management, except maybe Babe, and I wonder if it is illegal for them to "voluntarily" sign the paperwork giving Daddy that power and authority.  And they could get a raise every time they have a kid.

There was no selling involved, he's the head of the family, they do as he says, no matter what.  Gothard is very big on 'Honor thy father, not so much thy mother'.  They've been raised to believe that a family business run by the head of the family ((ie, their father) is what Jesus wants. 

Legally, I think JimBob would be like their manager or agent.  He would handle contracts, hold all the money and pay their bills.  However, if they end up losing in court, a judge is going to look at those contracts and decide what amount of the proceeds was due to Josh, no matter how his 'money manager' doles it out.  It does, however, add another layer of complexity and difficulty to the process and, if JB got good legal/financial advice, it would make it easier to hide assets and cost the plaintiff a whole lot more in lawyers' fees trying to unravel it.  They probably count on that to discourage lawsuits.

 

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Recovering Grace is an ex-Gothard place                               htt

Sure is.  It has a lot of information about ATI Wisdom Booklets and the education the Duggar kids got at the SOTDRT.  Scary stuff there.  Amongst other gems, if a woman is raped and she doesn't cry out for help during the assault, she is just a guilty as her rapist.  The Wisdom Booklets start 'em young learning that women are nothing but chattel and anything bad that happens to them is their fault because men cannot be blamed for their crimes.  Explains a lot about how Josh' sisters responded to his assaults as well as how Anna has dealt with her slimedog of a hubby.

Edited March 25, 2017 by doodlebug

[Churchhoney]

21 hours ago, lascuba said:

16 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I guess they are getting what they settle for.  NO ONE can stop them from leaving if they tried (the over 18s).  But there is a personal cost to giving up ones autonomy.  I feel sorry for exactly zero in that family.  Well I feel for Jenni and Jordyn.  They always have a look on their face that they are on to their parents and their bullshit.

 

Their own brains, which have literally been wired by life with JB and M and Gothard, can stop them from leaving. And they can do it by not even allowing the thought to form. Because that's how the brains of many oppressed children develop --it's the brain's way of staying out of trouble as a kid, learning to navigate the world that it's actually born into.

For survival purposes, the brain eventually doesn't even allow ideas outside of the rules to become conscious. You can be made by into a virtual robot by that means.

And isolation in a large group of people going through the exact same regimen, plus a nearly unfathomable but constant system of consistently inconsistent punishments and rewards of various kinds (many of the rewards made possible because of the tv show) keep the molding and indoctrination continuing. Remember that the executive functions of your brain aren't actually mature until your early 20s, so it was possible to shape these brains, big time, for over two decades, and shape all aspects of them, including the executive functions, and we can see clearly that the Duggars did. 

Been there. Done that. Seen that. Had that done to me.

Some people have the capacity to walk away fairly early, some have the capacity to walk away in later decades when some other influences have managed to seep in, some appear never to have the capacity to walk away at all. Because what's keeping you there? The way your own brain operates. The fact that, after an experience like this, your own being simply follows, quite unconsciously, the pattern that has been set up and it does so as a learned behavior to keep you surviving. 

And if you've never had something like this done to you, you will never ever understand and, most likely, never even believe that it can be done. I've spent a lifetime trying to explain it, and I have yet to see anybody really believe it or be able to get their mind around it if something similar hasn't happened to them. 

So everybody can just go ahead and say that the Duggar kids are all perfectly capable of changing their ways and leaving. But as a person who's been in that situation, I'll attest forever that, no, many of them most likely are not. 

[Albanyguy]

15 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And isolation in a large group of people going through the exact same regimen, plus a nearly unfathomable but constant system of consistently inconsistent punishments and rewards of various kinds (many of the rewards made possible because of the tv show) keep the molding and indoctrination continuing.

Add in the fact that, in such an environment, you can't trust anyone. Even the siblings who are ostensibly your closest friends will turn on you in a split second and rat you out for the smallest infraction. Even if you haven't done anything wrong at all, you may still be victimized by a sibling who will make up lies about you to curry favor or stave off their own punishment. You are alone and powerless because the people in charge see and hear everything.

[queenanne]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Their own brains, which have literally been wired by life with JB and M and Gothard, can stop them from leaving. And they can do it by not even allowing the thought to form. Because that's how the brains of many oppressed children develop --it's the brain's way of staying out of trouble as a kid, learning to navigate the world that it's actually born into.

For survival purposes, the brain eventually doesn't even allow ideas outside of the rules to become conscious. You can be made by into a virtual robot by that means.

And isolation in a large group of people going through the exact same regimen, plus a nearly unfathomable but constant system of consistently inconsistent punishments and rewards of various kinds (many of the rewards made possible because of the tv show) keep the molding and indoctrination continuing. Remember that the executive functions of your brain aren't actually mature until your early 20s, so it was possible to shape these brains, big time, for over two decades, and shape all aspects of them, including the executive functions, and we can see clearly that the Duggars did. 

Been there. Done that. Seen that. Had that done to me.

Some people have the capacity to walk away fairly early, some have the capacity to walk away in later decades when some other influences have managed to seep in, some appear never to have the capacity to walk away at all. Because what's keeping you there? The way your own brain operates. The fact that, after an experience like this, your own being simply follows, quite unconsciously, the pattern that has been set up and it does so as a learned behavior to keep you surviving. 

And if you've never had something like this done to you, you will never ever understand and, most likely, never even believe that it can be done. I've spent a lifetime trying to explain it, and I have yet to see anybody really believe it or be able to get their mind around it if something similar hasn't happened to them. 

So everybody can just go ahead and say that the Duggar kids are all perfectly capable of changing their ways and leaving. But as a person who's been in that situation, I'll attest forever that, no, many of them most likely are not. 

I don't have any problem believing it (well, you probably could have guessed that).  I think anyone who hasn't had the feeling is fortunate and privileged.  I've seen reports of people online which reads like they've gotten the "abusive job" treatment, as have I many a time in the past, and a bad job, for example, can literally give you PTSD.  There are people who leave said jobs and need months to recover/not work/in fact do nothing, because the events, physical setup, w/e of the job that you objects to and sometimes basically all of them, beats you down like a giant's hand pressing atop the crown of your head for multiple days a week.  You can forget about a "side hustle".  Weekends don't refresh you.  Vacations barely function as a stress-relieving blip.  You can see the layout of your office in your mind's eye at the drop of a hat.  I could go on!  It won't be a lifetime's worth of indoctrination, but to say a human being absolutely can't be beaten down into an all-encompassing inescapable inertia... that's wishful thinking.

[EVS]

On 3/24/2017 at 9:15 AM, tabloidlover said:

I'm too lazy to do a full google search.  Any suggestions on where to find some of these stories?  I'm curious.

If you want to read one in-depth story, I highly recommend the book "I Fired God" by Jocelyn Zichterman

[Love2dance]

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

And if you've never had something like this done to you, you will never ever understand and, most likely, never even believe that it can be done. I've spent a lifetime trying to explain it, and I have yet to see anybody really believe it or be able to get their mind around it if something similar hasn't happened to them. 

So everybody can just go ahead and say that the Duggar kids are all perfectly capable of changing their ways and leaving. But as a person who's been in that situation, I'll attest forever that, no, many of them most likely are not. 

I believe you, CHURCHHONEY, and am very grateful that I was spared those experiences. So glad you were able to escape, and appreciate your sharing with us.

[tabloidlover]

20 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

As for Anna I think it's a lot easier for her to stay. Indoctrination/faith, finances, fame and family are reasons I can see her staying. When family reaches out to other family and offer help, like Anna's brother did, it's often temporary. I doubt he was offering to permanently support Anna and the kids. A single mother of four with no work history would need some time to be self-sustaining. Anna is not unique in trying to repair or remain in an unhealthy marriage. Like many of you, I'd be gone in a heartbeat, but I can wrap my head around her decision to stay.

It saddens me that she truly believes this is her best (only) option. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

5 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Still no public congratulations from the Duggar crew. Sad, to me.

It's really sad, IMO.  I guess some babies are better than other babies, even if they are Duggars.

Little Meri didn't ask to be born and neither did M5 boy. It saddens me that these poor littles will suffer greatly for the sins of their father.

[Mollie]

13 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

 It saddens me that these poor littles will suffer greatly for the sins of their father.

Can you imagine someone going through their whole life known as 'the son of Josh Duggar?'

[Arwen Evenstar]

3 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Can you imagine someone going through their whole life known as 'the son of Josh Duggar?'

Right now the count will soon be three little boys who must bear that shame.

[louannems]

45 minutes ago, EVS said:

If you want to read one in-depth story, I highly recommend the book "I Fired God" by Jocelyn Zichterman

Another in-depth story is "Girl At The End Of The World.

[Sew Sumi]

I have to plug my old history professor's wife, Julia Scheeres, whose memoir Jesus Land will move you to tears. Not quiverful, but hard-core fundie.

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

It's really sad, IMO.  I guess some babies are better than other babies, even if they are Duggars.

Little Meri didn't ask to be born and neither did M5 boy. It saddens me that these poor littles will suffer greatly for the sins of their father.

I agree that Josh's actions are most likely going to have a negative impact on all the Ms at one point or another. However I don't think the lack of public acknowledgment by the parents and siblings for M5 is because any of them will love this child less. I think it's a business decision and one Anna & Josh agree probably with.

[Sew Sumi]

The lack of public acknowldegement from family members who appear on the show reinforces my belief that M5's birth won't be filmed. I do wonder whether they will acknowledge her pregnancy at all and shoot any THs she does from the neck up. 

[GeeGolly]

33 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

The lack of public acknowldegement from family members who appear on the show reinforces my belief that M5's birth won't be filmed. I do wonder whether they will acknowledge her pregnancy at all and shoot any THs she does from the neck up. 

I wonder too. Maybe toward the end of the season they'll do a brief TH with Anna where she'll do the "working hard on forgiveness, babies are a blessing' spiel.

Edited March 25, 2017 by GeeGolly

[Mollie]

When Michelle and Jim Bob referred to the Josh/Anna baby announcement on Facebook, they got over 2,300 comments − all are about Josh's sexcapades.

 

[Missy Vixen]

On 3/24/2017 at 11:04 AM, Lady Edith said:

I've been thinking about the lawsuit and all that.  Here's what I'm thinking:

I'm thinking that Anna doesn't receive a check directly from TLC for her appearances.  Same with Jessa, Jill and the others.  I think that, after the first lawsuit, Jim Bob established a system that could look like this:  All TLC money goes into a family trust from which Jim Bob (or a fundilicious accountant) pays the bills for each of the houses, as well as provide a food and clothing allowance for each of the kids not living at the TTH.  

 

The other benefit of an arrangement like this: Those who might be interested in bolting do not have the cash to do so and would have to take KJB to court to get it. I get the general impression that KJB is not such a nice guy when one gets on his bad side, and I'm guessing the kidults have seen enough examples of this previously that they won't test the limits. One has to imagine there's also signed paperwork between KJB's lawyer(s) and each of the kidults and their spouses that any attempt to challenge this arrangement in court will also bring unpleasant consequences.

Imagine the fun if something like that came out in a deposition or open court. 

5 minutes ago, Mollie said:

When Michelle and Jim Bob referred to the Josh/Anna baby announcement on Facebook, they got over 2,300 comments − all are about Josh's sexcapades.

 

 

"Sweet" must have been the word of the day in today's Wisdom Booklets lesson!

[Mollie]

5 minutes ago, Missy Vixen said:

"Sweet" must have been the word of the day in today's Wisdom Booklets lesson!

LOL  -  It's obvious that today's lesson was not about punctuation or grammar.  Michelle's post is a big, fat run-on sentence.

[sATL]

19 hours ago, YupItsMe said:

Yep, she definitely can't hide it anymore.

who are the other ladies in the Ark Encounter pix ? Anna has non-family friends now ?

Edited March 25, 2017 by sATL

[Mollie]

7 minutes ago, sATL said:

who are the other ladies in the Ark Encounter pix ? Anna has non-family friends now ?

I think the whole Bates family was there, too.  They live nearby.

[sATL]

FYI... regarding earnings.. found an article from 2012 - prior to Josh-gate (link)

"One guide to how much the Thompsons may earn comes from TLC’s other series built around unorthodox families. At the height of their fame (and before the parental split), the Gosselins of Jon & Kate + 8 were earning $22,500 per episode. (So said Jon Gosselin in a 2009 interview.) The Duggar family, of 19 Kids and Counting, earn between $25,000 and $40,000 per episode. (Note that the Gosselin family was half as big and lived in suburban Pennsylvania, while the ever-expanding Duggar brood lives in rural Arkansas.) "

The highest paid performers in reality TV are, of course, the Kardashians.

10 minutes ago, Mollie said:

I think the whole Bates family was there, too.  They live nearby.

I'm referring to the picture posted on a few pages back that showed Anna and her new belly. I don't  think those are the Bates girls

[Mollie]

2 minutes ago, sATL said:

I'm referring to the picture posted on a few pages back that showed Anna and her new belly. I don't  think those are the Bates girls

Probably just other tourists who wanted their pictures taken with the Duggars . . .

The other girls aren't dressed like they are part of the Duggar circle of like-minded, homeschooling friends.

[Lady Edith]

From the FB post comments:  "You've been visited by the Lord once more"  

I just can't...

Edited March 26, 2017 by Lady Edith
Wanted to clarify where I saw the comment

[Sew Sumi]

This is just gross.

 

[BitterApple]

Now there's a man who looks thrilled with his lot in life!

I cannot believe Anna is so stupid as to think a baby is going to fix their shitty marriage. It wouldn't surprise me if Josh walks out the door one day and never comes back. He's completely over it. 

[bigskygirl]

There is not an instrument out there that could possibly measure my horror and indifference in reference to the above picture.

[RazzleberryPie]

Having a lot of trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that Josh is only 29.

[Mollie]

47 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

This is just gross.

 

So, Anna and Josh are both pregnant?

[GeeGolly]

Meredith appears to be having the same reaction as everyone.