Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Sew Sumi]

10 hours ago, Malvina said:

Hannie?

Yup. She's hit puberty. 

[Vaysh]

@FakeJoshDuggar

What was Jana like? I have this image in my head of her as someone slightly less fanatical and judgmental than the rest of them. This is entirely and probably erroneously based on her admitting in that Creationist Museum episode that evolution might actually make just a little bit of sense though it's obviously wrong because the Bible says so. And, you know, her not talking much.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Vaysh

[Lemur]

And now, this ...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/09/anna-duggar-showing-signs-of-spousal-abuse-in-new-photo/

[LocalGovt]

1 minute ago, Lemur said:

And now, this ...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/09/anna-duggar-showing-signs-of-spousal-abuse-in-new-photo/

Some comments say that it's just the way the lighting was.  Who knows with this family.

[Lemur]

1 minute ago, LocalGovt said:

Some comments say that it's just the way the lighting was.  Who knows with this family.

I'd hate to speculate and besides, I have tabloids to do it for me.   And quite frankly, I'd given myself a shiner in more ways than I can count (walking into door frames both drunk and sober, hand slipping off a tool and punching myself in the face, walking into a car door, hit by various flying objects both intentionally aimed and me and not).  Maybe it is the lighting.  Maybe Josh really is a goddamned monster.  Also, the term "Tammy Wynette Playbook" is now in my vernacular.

[LocalGovt]

Just now, Lemur said:

I'd hate to speculate and besides, I have tabloids to do it for me.   And quite frankly, I'd given myself a shiner in more ways than I can count (walking into door frames both drunk and sober, hand slipping off a tool and punching myself in the face, walking into a car door, hit by various flying objects both intentionally aimed and me and not).  Maybe it is the lighting.  Maybe Josh really is a goddamned monster.  Also, the term "Tammy Wynette Playbook" is now in my vernacular.

I just gave myself my first ever black eye two weeks ago when I knocked my head into the doorframe of my car door! :)

[louannems]

That photo looks so bad to me; they all look like they have back eyes!

[Aja]

That's borderline irresponsible speculation, at least to me. There is plenty of disturbing crap about the Duggars to focus on without inventing new stuff. If that is bruising on her face, she could have sustained that a million different ways. When I was seven, my mom was trying to put some ointment on my foot because I stepped on a bee, and she hit a ticklish spot. I accidentally kicked her in the face HARD and she had TWO black eyes because of it. 34 years later and she still shoots me a dirty look whenever she recalls that memory. 

[GeeGolly]

Her lip could be a cold sore, and I think Anna actually bites her lip while thinking as well. The rest looks like shadows.

And like the rest of you - shit happens. I opened a car door into my own face/eye. I swung a duffel bag over my shoulder and knocked out one of my kids teeth (It was loose and hanging by a thread, but still). This last winter my hubby slipped on an icy curb and was bruised from scalp to shoulder.

[magpye29]

The main reason why it looks suspicious, though, is because the lip sore is on the opposite side of where the "bruise" is. 

[Henri205]

I both think and hope it's bad lighting.  And worse grammar: "Sister in Laws".........obviously the writer was home-schooled. 

[Vaysh]

Anna looks disturbingly like Michelle in that picture, I think it's the rictus grin and the dead eyes. As for bruises, she does look a bit banged up, but since it's an official photo posted on the Duggar FB page... they're stupid but I doubt they are THAT stupid.

[Absolom]

That's my view, they'd have to be dumber than dumb to post photographic evidence of spousal abuse on their own Facebook page.  Of course, this is the Duggars and Jill has posted her son teething on an electric fan, but still they'd have to recognize spousal abuse is going to set people off. 

[JoanArc]

I vote lighting. Of course, if someone were slapping Anna around it doesn't have to be Josh. There's always Jim Bob, her own father, Michelle, or self harm. 

 

I doit even Anna is dumb enough to go out with a shiner.

[Sew Sumi]

56 minutes ago, Vaysh said:

Anna looks disturbingly like Michelle in that picture, I think it's the rictus grin and the dead eyes. As for bruises, she does look a bit banged up, but since it's an official photo posted on the Duggar FB page... they're stupid but I doubt they are THAT stupid.

Debatable. Remember Catgate? But not in this case.

It does look like a bruise. But I imagine that maybe she got an accidental sock in the eye from one of the boys or even Mere. It happens. Smuggar is many things, but I don't think he'd get away with hitting his wife, even with the most unfortunate of Fathers overseeing this operation. I am pretty confident that Boob would not tolerate that behavior, because he'd never do it. His world is black and white, but in this case, if Smuggar was smacking Anna around, she would never be out in public to arouse suspicions; as we learned with Joshgate, they handle this shit internally and hide it under a bushel. 

Edited September 22, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[BitterApple]

Is it possible she got whacked while trying to restrain one of the kids during a tantrum? My niece used to flail and kick as a toddler, and my sister often took a shot while trying to pick her up or move her. There could be a hundred different explanations for Anna's injury. I agree that the magazine insulting it's a result of DV is irresponsible.

Eta: oops, Sew, I didn't realize you just wrote the same thing ahead of me. I need to read previous posts better, lol.

Edited September 22, 2016 by BitterApple

[Defrauder]

Call me cynical but I'm betting that Josh is still less than the perfectly faithful husband and that most of the adults in the family know it and they've just decided to let Josh 'be Josh' and to pay off Anna with whatever means necessary be it child care help or a house or money, just my opinion and speculation.  Josh probably isn't expected to not cheat he's just expected to not get caught, just my opinion. If that is the case, Anna is just expected to accept it and look the other way and not make waves while she has the full support of the Duggar family.  Maybe I'm wrong but then again I could be right.

[BitterApple]

Defrauder, you're probably right. Leopards don't change their spots. If Josh isn't cheating currently, he probably will at some point. It's not like he originally had a one-time fling with a co-worker. He went so far as to set up a fake profile on Ashley Madison for the express purpose of having extramarital affairs. That's not a man who will ever be satisfied with the banalities of family life. 

[Aja]

5 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Defrauder, you're probably right. Leopards don't change their spots. If Josh isn't cheating currently, he probably will at some point. It's not like he originally had a one-time fling with a co-worker. He went so far as to set up a fake profile on Ashley Madison for the express purpose of having extramarital affairs. That's not a man who will ever be satisfied with the banalities of family life. 

I agree. Also, he never got proper treatment, either as a teen or as an adult. Manual labor, lectures from a child pornographer and chair-bondage-sermon therapy do not count. 

[Defrauder]

And of course men aren't expected to be able to control themselves unless someone is standing next to them shouting NIKE!  So it's Anna's fault-somehow, immodest women are to blame, and men are just the victims of Satan's attacks in Duggarland. 

[Scarlett45]

8 hours ago, Defrauder said:

Call me cynical but I'm betting that Josh is still less than the perfectly faithful husband and that most of the adults in the family know it and they've just decided to let Josh 'be Josh' and to pay off Anna with whatever means necessary be it child care help or a house or money, just my opinion and speculation.  Josh probably isn't expected to not cheat he's just expected to not get caught, just my opinion. If that is the case, Anna is just expected to accept it and look the other way and not make waves while she has the full support of the Duggar family.  Maybe I'm wrong but then again I could be right.

I think that Josh will try a few more years to sing and dance to JB's tune (also known as cheat and not get caught), but after 5 years or so I don't think he will be able to take it any more. He's going to want his freedom away from Anna and the kids and his responsibilities, which he will never have in the TTH. So long as he lives there JB will make him at least pretend to be a dutiful husband, the pretending is just going to get harder and harder. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

Edited September 23, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar
Posted wrong picture

[Arwen Evenstar]

On September 20, 2016 at 1:02 PM, sheshark said:

I don't see anyone holding tiny pwecious (almost 7) Miwacle.  Could she be left alone to lick the kitchen counters?

Pity, they ignore her now.  It's really sad how they just don't seem to care at all about this little girls development.

Edited September 23, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[Churchhoney]

7 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Pity, they ignore her now.  It's really sad how they just don't seem to care at all about this little girls development.

Par for the course, though. They've never cared about any of the kids' development. Shit schooling. And their behavior was supposed to be in lockstep for the older ones. After that, they've mainly ignored them completely except for forcing them to parrot certain beliefs. Those kids have never existed for anything other than their parents' aggrandizement. They're not people to JB and M. They're merely trophies.

[Arwen Evenstar]

57 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Par for the course, though. They've never cared about any of the kids' development. Shit schooling. And their behavior was supposed to be in lockstep for the older ones. After that, they've mainly ignored them completely except for forcing them to parrot certain beliefs. Those kids have never existed for anything other than their parents' aggrandizement. They're not people to JB and M. They're merely trophies.

THIS....so much this! This is a textbook case of what the end result of a union between a megalomaniac and a woman obsessed with "baby hunger" looks like.

Really hope that Smuggley Do Right stops the baby train where it is. 4 kids is more than he can afford right now, as his long term employment prospects and earning potential don't look good.  Smuggar is so repugnant that he's enough to shut down most women's ovaries.

Jilly and Jessa are obviously realizing that pumping out baby after baby won't work all that well for them. Jill thinks Israel is a handful, and though Jessa seems a better mom than Jill, she's hopefully smart enough to realize this formula of having 19 kids is not reality.  Moving away to Laredo with Jinger and Jeremy will hopefully teach them that limiting the size of one's family to what one can afford and reasonably take care of means using the good sense that God already gave most of the rest of us. 

[frenchtoast]

Let's bring this back to Josh and Anna please. 

[CofCinci]

9 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Michelle looks so much like Anna in this picture.  No wonder the guy ended up on Ashley Madison.

[Tabbygirl521]

If Josh wants to continue cheating, I wonder who it would/could be with, and how it could be kept secret. He is under his family's noses now instead of off in DC. And they all have his number so I am sure they would notice any unexplained absences from home. He probably has 27 accountability partners at this point. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

As repugnant as Smuggar is, he seems to like his kids.  Up until Joshgate, Anna was a very involved and devoted mother, but after everything that's happened to the family, she does look stunned and checked out.

Anna was on track to outbreed Michelle at one point, but I hope Josh makes her realize this is not sustainable if they want any semblance of a decent life.

At least if Tabitha has been schooling the Littles, the Smuggarlings will still be learning and get to have school with their cousins. Home schooling may not be as successful when mama bear has PPD, marital issues, or other mental health problems. The dismal life of most uber Fundy women almost guarantees a sub par education.

[Defrauder]

I hear what you're saying Arwen Evenstar but we have to remember that Josh also seemed to like Anna and his sisters as well.  Plus he preached loudly about family values so I don't buy anything that he may seem to be at the moment.    

[Arwen Evenstar]

26 minutes ago, Defrauder said:

I hear what you're saying Arwen Evenstar but we have to remember that Josh also seemed to like Anna and his sisters as well.  Plus he preached loudly about family values so I don't buy anything that he may seem to be at the moment.    

Not defending Josh, just saying that he seems to care about his kids more than JB cares about his. Not sure if we can take anything Smuggs says or does at face value, but I think he wants a different upbringing for his kids than what he had.

i loathe his hypocrisy as well as his ideas about LGBTQ people, both are deplorable to me.

[Natalie68]

On 9/21/2016 at 2:50 PM, GeeGolly said:

Her lip could be a cold sore, and I think Anna actually bites her lip while thinking as well. The rest looks like shadows.

And like the rest of you - shit happens. I opened a car door into my own face/eye. I swung a duffel bag over my shoulder and knocked out one of my kids teeth (It was loose and hanging by a thread, but still). This last winter my hubby slipped on an icy curb and was bruised from scalp to shoulder.

Cause you know, its a struggle.  

I have broken my own nose and given myself at least 2 black eyes.  TOTAL klutz.  If I had a dime for every time I sprained my ankle I could live like a Duggar (no job!).

[Arwen Evenstar]

I sincerely hope that Josh hasn't hurt Anna, but to imply that he has is a really bad thing to accuse anyone of. Like everyone else, I'm going to assume she bumped into something or got kicked by one of the kiddos. KJB may be a slimy eel, but I know if he thought Josh hurt Anna, he'd serve his ass up to the police. He's not going to risk another cover up.

 I'm always bumping into corners and furniture. I had to buy child safety corners for a cherished bookcase my beloved late father made for me.since it 's in a narrow hallway of our house and its corners (which I wish he'd rounded) kept assaulting my upper arms and leaving ugly bruises. I did not wish to see Mr Evenstar impugned for being suspected of hurting me. He'd never hurt a flea.

[Scarlett45]

13 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

If Josh wants to continue cheating, I wonder who it would/could be with, and how it could be kept secret. He is under his family's noses now instead of off in DC. And they all have his number so I am sure they would notice any unexplained absences from home. He probably has 27 accountability partners at this point. 

Where there's a will there's a way. I mean they can't lock him in the boys dorm, although that'd be funny. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

14 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

If Josh wants to continue cheating, I wonder who it would/could be with, and how it could be kept secret. He is under his family's noses now instead of off in DC. And they all have his number so I am sure they would notice any unexplained absences from home. He probably has 27 accountability partners at this point. 

I'm sure that would be about right. Pretty much everyone but Izzy and Spurge have been told to rat him out. 1 Flip Phone of Shame Plus 27 Accountability Partners and Counting. The fact that this whole family is okay with this 24/7 level of intrusion and thinks it's normal is depressing as all get-out.

[JoanArc]

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I sincerely hope that Josh hasn't hurt Anna, but to imply that he has is a really bad thing to accuse anyone of.

It's not like these people would hit a baby with a wooden spoon, or anything.

[lookeyloo]

8 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Where there's a will there's a way. I mean they can't lock him in the boys dorm, although that'd be funny. 

And Anthony Weiner managed to carry on a 15 month texting conversation with a minor. Granted he had a smart phone but they can be had for cheap at Walmart or a convenience store. Maybe Joshley saved pennies and, because he is so "sly" managed to get one. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

And Anthony Weiner managed to carry on a 15 month texting conversation with a minor. Granted he had a smart phone but they can be had for cheap at Walmart or a convenience store. Maybe Joshley saved pennies and, because he is so "sly" managed to get one. 

I wouldn't doubt it at all.  Smuggley Do Right is much too good at playing the long con.  If JB thought building houses and going to RU, which was basically another labor camp with no real counseling, was going to "cure" Josh, then he's seriously delusional. 

Joshley has had a long term history of porn addiction and consumption. It's well documented that people continue to struggle with this issue, even with real therapy.  Since he has to do it on the sly, he might not need as much, but he's likely still getting his fix.  I doubt his sheltered bride is going to be down with or even would be skilled at doing the things Joshley wants, since I don't think any of it would be Dr. Wheat approved godly bedroom behavior. 

[Rabbittron]

I just saw a picture of Josh taking a family selfie and he had an iPhone

[lookeyloo]

31 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

I just saw a picture of Josh taking a family selfie and he had an iPhone

Could be his or he used it for the photo. 

[sometimesy]

I hope those M&M's haven't been thrown in with the Dugg kids for their education. Would Anna default to that because it's easy?

[Arwen Evenstar]

4 hours ago, sometimesy said:

I hope those M&M's haven't been thrown in with the Dugg kids for their education. Would Anna default to that because it's easy?

It appears the M&Ms are with Tabitha for SOTDRT.

[BitterApple]

I wonder what Anna does all day. It seems like she's checked out and just dumping the kids at the TTH for random strangers and stray Sister-Moms to raise. There's no way Tabitha is giving them a quality education. The Littles can barely write their names. When they lived in DC, it looked like Anna and Josh were going to take their children's schooling a little more seriously. It's amazing how quickly they reverted to type once they moved back into the Compound of Ignorance.

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I wonder what Anna does all day. It seems like she's checked out and just dumping the kids at the TTH for random strangers and stray Sister-Moms to raise. There's no way Tabitha is giving them a quality education. The Littles can barely write their names. When they lived in DC, it looked like Anna and Josh were going to take their children's schooling a little more seriously. It's amazing how quickly they reverted to type once they moved back into the Compound of Ignorance.

When one returns to the Stinkertoy House in disgrace, one likely cannot as for any special favors...such as a decent education for the kiddos.

[NewDigs]

19 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

When one returns to the Stinkertoy House in disgrace, one likely cannot as for any special favors...such as a decent education for the kiddos.

But the materials must be available. For whatever that's worth. (see: Creation Museum, Noah's Ark) 

Though what comes to my mind is, "Abandon all hope...".

[maraleia]

FYI there's no such thing as a porn addiction. Josh turned to porn when he wasn't getting the correct kind of messages about sex from his parents.

[AnnieBeez]

3 hours ago, maraleia said:

FYI there's no such thing as a porn addiction. Josh turned to porn when he wasn't getting the correct kind of messages about sex from his parents.

Oh, please. Josh turned to porn because he could and he liked it. 

[satrunrose]

12 hours ago, NewDigs said:

Though what comes to my mind is, "Abandon all hope...".

Yet another book the Duggarlings will never read.

[NewDigs]

6 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

Yet another book the Duggarlings will never read.

But they'll always have the Old Testament.

Not a lotta hope there either. lol

[Arwen Evenstar]

3 hours ago, NewDigs said:

But they'll always have the Old Testament.

Not a lotta hope there either. lol

I don't even really think they understand the Bible in any sort of context, other than parroting  what they've been told to believe or a literal interpretation. 

I think SmugAnna would have given their kids a better education if they  would have been able to have left he Stinkertoy House for good. I'm sure every day, Josh knows he's forever stuck there. Is he plotting his escape?