Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[JustRosie]

25 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

If he's allowed to go to "work" and church, are the Rebers responsible for accompanying him? Or are they only responsible for him when he's in their home?

I’ve been wondering about this. His handlers  sleep, shower, go to the bathroom etc. Who is supervising Josh at these times? Definitely doesn’t sound like they can have accountability for him 24/7. 

[Tuxcat]

12 minutes ago, cereality said:

Generally no. The house arrest is for him not them. They are allowed to come and go. He is not to leave the house but if he were to leave while they were out, that’s between him and his Probation Officer. They also are to make sure they’re not leaving him with things he’s not allowed — ie internet. If their only internet is phones, they could take those. For ppl with WiFi you can turn it off and make sure he doesn’t have the password. If they have something like dial in, I assume you disable that though IDK how. This is normally how it works. I haven’t seen a court order here (does anyone know if one was issued and available to see) so the order may say something different.

I have not see the official court order. Only what is on reddit so who knows if that is correct.  So he is free to leave the house for the purposes "work, education, church..." - unsupervised I assume? Is that still considered house arrest?

Reddit lists these:

 Cannot be returned to his guest house or TTH

- Court is not interested in second chances. Don't fuck up with the Reavers. (paragraphsed)

- Tomorrow Josh will be released to the Reavers with close GPS monitoring. Restricted to this residence except for working, education, church, medical services, meeting with lawyers, court ordered obligation, or other activities approved IN ADVANCE by the probation office.

- May not possess or view pornography or erotica of any kind

- Court does not think it has the technology to limit Josh's use. Josh cannot have computers, phones, smart TVs, gaming systems, etc. He may not ask for the passwords from the Reavers or her daughter.

- Josh can get a jitterbug phone to contact counsel as long as it's approved by a probation officer.

- Josh cannot leave the Western District of Arkansas.

- Josh can have unlimited contact with his children as long as their mother is present. Josh cannot have contact with any other minor children including siblings, family members, piano students, etc.

- Not a requirement but a recommendation: Plan activities based on who he might run into. Avoid birthday parties, etc.

- No substances, drugs or alcohol

- Cannot actually or constructively possess a firearm

- Must surrender passport and not obtain a new passport

- May not violate any state or local law

- Must provide a DNA sample

- Must appear in court as requested

- Tomorrow must sign an appearance bond

[Jeanne222]

I’m still confused about bail.  Is there any bail?  We talked about that a lot before Josh was released!  TIA

[Minivanessa]

I don't think the court requires the Rebers to literally be in Josh's company 24/7 or monitor his movements around their house. They aren't jailers. They are responsible for obeying the court's conditions of release insofar as they are obliged, i.e., no allowing Josh internet access, removing the firearms from the house, no minors in the house, etc. They are also responsible for reporting any violations by Josh that they learn about or see, immediately to the federal probation office. 

Also, I think I saw on reddit or somewhere, that Mrs. Reber described the guest room that Josh will have, as sort of a "mother in law" apartment, with its own door to the outside. It may be a bedroom-bathroom suite. 

I wouldn't be surprised if JB comes up with some "work" for Josh to do to get him out of the house at least on weekdays. He could accompany JB on his deal-making rounds or pick up a hammer and work on one of the Duggar rental houses if they still have those. (I believe JB has a portfolio of commercial properties he gets lease income from. Maybe JB no longer dabbles in fix/flip houses but rather gives those to his sons.)

I think Josh signed himself out on his own recognizance, also didn't see a bail amount stated. The conditions imposed by the court come with costs that Josh/JB will have to pay including the ankle monitor. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Jeeves

[cereality]

Yes normally he could go to work, Church, drs and lawyer meetings alone. It wouldn’t be the Rebers obligation to accompany him. Theory is his Probation Officer approved it so it’s ok for him to be there — ie PO believes there’s no computer he can use at church or his work or drs office. Now what if he stops at FedEx Office on the way and looks at something on those public computers? That’s between him and the Probation Officer.

If ever there was a time for a construction job in the hot Arkansas summer sun, this is it. Construction notoriously is very loose on background checks (esp for white English speakers) and doesn’t care what you did as long as you won’t murder their other workers and are willing to sweat it out to lay tile or pour driveway concrete. He’d have to be on a job site at 7 am (that makes this unlikely for the fam that sleeps until noon), would come home exhausted at 3 pm, Mrs R could feed him dinner at 6 pm and he’d crash by 8 out of exhaustion. No time to wonder about CP or whatever.

[NoThyme]

1 hour ago, mittsigirl said:

Sorry to offend you. It's deleted now, I will not post anything here again.

Why? you should post! 

[Tuxcat]

2 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I wouldn't be surprised of JB comes up with some "work" for Josh to do to get him out of the house at least on weekdays. He could accompany JB on his deal-making rounds or pick up a hammer and work on one of the Duggar rental houses if they still have those. (I believe JB has a portfolio of commercial properties he gets lease income from. Maybe JB no longer dabbles in fix/flip houses but rather gives those to his sons.)

 

 

2 minutes ago, cereality said:

If ever there was a time for a construction job in the hot Arkansas summer sun, this is it. Construction notoriously is very loose on background checks (esp for white English speakers) and doesn’t care what you did as long as you won’t murder their other workers and are willing to sweat it out to lay tile or pour driveway concrete. He’d have to be on a job site at 7 am

 

Ok - So in theory the probation officer has to approve the work  -  so it has to be an actual job versus just hanging out at rental properties with dad. I could absolutely see JB creating some sort of "work" so that Josh could get out each day though.  Will be interesting to see what the probation officer allows in terms of "work."

 

[Lady Whistleup]

30 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I missed this. What happened in Japan?

I can't remember but I remember JB complaining that no one spoke English and the howler monkeys were really loud in a restuarant.

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

Ok - So in theory the probation officer has to approve the work  -  so it has to be an actual job versus just hanging out at rental properties with dad. I could absolutely see JB creating some sort of "work" so that Josh could get out each day though.  Will be interesting to see what the probation officer allows in terms of "work."

 

In one of my previous positions I spoke with POs often. Most don't mess around. Many of them really care and are supportive, but they've heard everything and aren't easily fooled. The Duggars have definitely met their match.

[cereality]

26 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

 

 

Ok - So in theory the probation officer has to approve the work  -  so it has to be an actual job versus just hanging out at rental properties with dad. I could absolutely see JB creating some sort of "work" so that Josh could get out each day though.  Will be interesting to see what the probation officer allows in terms of "work."

 

I think the latitude on work tends to be wide because they want the defendant doing productive things not just plotting how to score more CP. I think working at dads rental properties is fine but JB will be required to be there or have another trusted person there who won’t provide him a cell phone etc. Last thing they need is JB letting him sit alone in a rental house all day only to find later oops the wifi was working in that house and oh oops Anna got him a phone. The brothers would be “reliable” ppl to have working with him as they wouldn’t provide him phone access bc they prob hate him and know he’ll throw them under the bus any chance he gets. Yet it’s likely they’re too pissed to agree to be his handlers 5 days/wk at work.

Edited May 7, 2021 by cereality

[JoanArc]

 It’s still safe to Snark, right? 

[JustRosie]

10 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I can't remember but I remember JB complaining that no one spoke English and the howler monkeys were really loud in a restuarant.

Thank you! 😀

[cereality]

8 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

In one of my previous positions I spoke with POs often. Most don't mess around. Many of them really care and are supportive, but they've heard everything and aren't easily fooled. The Duggars have definitely met their match.

Yes. I think POs generally want to see their defendants do well both before and after prison. But they’ve seen it all and aren’t going to be fooled by dumb Duggar excuses like oh I didn’t know there was wifi at that rental house when I picked up Jed’s phone, I just wanted to see the weather blah blah. Or oh no this isn’t my phone, Anna didn’t get me this, Jason carries 2 phones blah blah.

[Gigi43]

Yeah, I think this is going to have to be Work and not "work." With paystubs, provable hours and a boss who isn't named Duggar. Also, would his employment be limited because of the type of crime? Would he be allowed to work at Target during the day where there are children in and out all day long? I guess that will be sorted out. He has very few skills since I doubt he did anything at FRC (yeah I've seen the reddit post that said no.) Chain stores, at least where I am are hiring but with so many small businesses going out of business, those jobs are filling up. I know AK had been open more than the North East where I am, but, still, there are a lot of people all over out of work and looking. Who are you going to hire, a newly out of work guy because of COVID or Josh?  

[cereality]

2 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

Yeah, I think this is going to have to be Work and not "work." With paystubs, provable hours and a boss who isn't named Duggar. Also, would his employment be limited because of the type of crime? Would he be allowed to work at Target during the day where there are children in and out all day long? I guess that will be sorted out. He has very few skills since I doubt he did anything at FRC (yeah I've seen the reddit post that said no.) Chain stores, at least where I am are hiring but with so many small businesses going out of business, those jobs are filling up. I know AK had been open more than the North East where I am, but, still, there are a lot of people all over out of work and looking. Who are you going to hire, a newly out of work guy because of COVID or Josh?  

I mean I don’t see him getting a job at Target or Sbux or even a family owned restaurant bc all do background checks. They see CP case pending — they move on and hire one of the 10,000 other ppl out of work without such issues. Any work will have to come thru JB or some “sweet friends” from church like the Rebers who don’t care/don’t believe what he’s done, they are loyal to his godly family. But yeah if one of those jobs happens to be say at a candy store or school, the PO nixes that option as there are kids around - it runs afoul of the court order which doesn’t allow him near minors. Daddy or one of the sweet friends need to come up with a construction or car related job. What about Joe’s FIL - isn’t he a pastor that does some kind of car/auto body work? I mean he may believe in helping a sinner repent while making sure he has zero access to his babies or his grandkids (Joe’s kids).

[Tabbygirl521]

6 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

This article has more information on the Rebers. Looks like their son is friends with Jed, Jer, and Austin through those lame Freedomists. 

I want to know if/why Mrs Reber can be alone with Josh. I thought it was forbidden for an unrelated/unmarried man and woman to be alone together. Is hubby going to present at all times? I thought he had a job.

geesh. She can’t be alone with Joe Blow from down the street but she can be alone with this subhuman POS?

[MargeGunderson]

Wherever Josh “works” he won’t be able to have access to a computer or internet access. That certainly limits his options. Maybe he could dig another pond, since that punishment didn’t take the first time.

[realityfan26]

The best thing for Mrs Rebar would be to assign Josh some major tasks around the house. I’d have him mowing, weeding, digging new garden beds. And for sure he should cook his own damn food - after paying for it himself!

[GeeGolly]

POs in my area, depending on the crime, don't tend to trust family members a whole lot, much beyond a place to live. They'd likely approve a dishwasher in an uncle's restaurant, detailing cars in a cousin's shop, or sweeping up in a good friend's nail salon, but working for mommy or daddy is usually a no-go. And they don't like jobs 'without walls', like construction work, lawn services or running cars to and from auctions and repair shops, especially if they're on an ankle bracelet. 

POs don't want to set them up to fail and they also don't want to make their own work harder.

[Jeanne222]

51 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I don't think the court requires the Rebers to literally be in Josh's company 24/7 or monitor his movements around their house. They aren't jailers. They are responsible for obeying the court's conditions of release insofar as they are obliged, i.e., no allowing Josh internet access, removing the firearms from the house, no minors in the house, etc. They are also responsible for reporting any violations by Josh that they learn about or see, immediately to the federal probation office. 

Also, I think I saw on reddit or somewhere, that Mrs. Reber described the guest room that Josh will have, as sort of a "mother in law" apartment, with its own door to the outside. It may be a bedroom-bathroom suite. 

I wouldn't be surprised if JB comes up with some "work" for Josh to do to get him out of the house at least on weekdays. He could accompany JB on his deal-making rounds or pick up a hammer and work on one of the Duggar rental houses if they still have those. (I believe JB has a portfolio of commercial properties he gets lease income from. Maybe JB no longer dabbles in fix/flip houses but rather gives those to his sons.)

I think Josh signed himself out on his own recognizance, also didn't see a bail amount stated. The conditions imposed by the court come with costs that Josh/JB will have to pay including the ankle monitor. 

Jeeves sorry your post is here...I hit the wrong button!

 

Lol Josh Dugger working?  The same Josh that waltzed out of jail under the wing of a million dollar defense attorney into a waiting chauffeur driven limousine...that Josh Dugger?

Idol hands will surely be this devil's workshop!

[JustRosie]

7 minutes ago, realityfan26 said:

The best thing for Mrs Rebar would be to assign Josh some major tasks around the house. I’d have him mowing, weeding, digging new garden beds. And for sure he should cook his own damn food - after paying for it himself!

She should have him dig a pond. And shave his head. 

[xtwheeler]

On 5/3/2021 at 11:37 AM, 3 is enough said:

I thought that was a possibility too.  I could still see him doing it if he is convicted and has nothing but time to think about how this could be happening to him, Josh Duggar.  I doubt he would ever take responsibility for his actions, so blaming his parents would be the obvious solution. Josh only cares about Josh.  But I don’t know if he could get access to a ghostwriter in prison or if any publisher would touch him.

 

On 5/3/2021 at 11:46 AM, Zella said:

I imagine a publisher wouldn't touch him now. Six-ish years ago when the first revelations were made, if he had played his cards right, it might have worked, but I think the short time between the reveal that he had molested his sisters and the reveal Ashley Madison scandal would have evaporated any claims he had to being reformed. He had a pretty small window, I think, in which it would have conceivably been possible. 

Arkansas has a "Son of Sam" law that prohibits criminals from benefitting from their crimes, including income from selling their life stories, a tell-all about the crimes, etc. So if Josh were able to string a few sentences together, he will never be able to make a dime on it.

On 5/3/2021 at 1:10 PM, hathorlive said:

In my experience, CP is CP.  It's illegal in both state and federal law.  However, what usuallyc gets a case taken federally is either scale and scope ( a LOT of images) or something that is interstate in nature.  

I'm sorry if this has all been covered, but if not:

Often what brings CP under federal jurisdiction is the use of a computer in procuring or sharing it. Just like conducting nefarious business on the phone, committing a crime using a computer is by nature across state lines. This includes texting, social media, essentially anything to do with the computer.

On 5/3/2021 at 2:05 PM, Tikichick said:

IDK about feds specifically, but my local experience here is that prosecutors will not make deals on anything regarding sexually abusing children.   It's so beyond the pale of civilized society that it's unquestionably recognized as being impossible to make deals if you want to survive politically.   I have no idea if the political aspect is equally acute in the federal arena or not.

I imagine that Josh being the tiniest fish in the tiniest pond makes his only value the ability to implicate others. I doubt he knows anything of substance, and once he was busted on the dark net, anyone in that network will have been arrested or at least identified already. Long story short, he has nothing of value the feds want, and prosecuting him to the max is quite beneficial as an example.

The only thing he could dish on is his parents' shady financial stuff, but if he wants any access to that upon leaving prison, he'd keep his mouth shut. However, Josh is not known for making overly-thought-out decisions

[Tuxcat]

For those that want the full recap. This article goes from the release today with lots of pics through the "rehab" stint in Little Rock 2015 (with details), followed by a refresher on his first "rehab" where he had to shave his head and stay mute.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9551305/Josh-Duggar-freed-bail-child-porn-charges-heads-home-family-friend.html

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, xtwheeler said:

 

Arkansas has a "Son of Sam" law that prohibits criminals from benefitting from their crimes, including income from selling their life stories, a tell-all about the crimes, etc. So if Josh were able to string a few sentences together, he will never be able to make a dime on it.

I'm sorry if this has all been covered, but if not:

Often what brings CP under federal jurisdiction is the use of a computer in procuring or sharing it. Just like conducting nefarious business on the phone, committing a crime using a computer is by nature across state lines. This includes texting, social media, essentially anything to do with the computer.

I imagine that Josh being the tiniest fish in the tiniest pond makes his only value the ability to implicate others. I doubt he knows anything of substance, and once he was busted on the dark net, anyone in that network will have been arrested or at least identified already. Long story short, he has nothing of value the feds want, and prosecuting him to the max is quite beneficial as an example.

The only thing he could dish on is his parents' shady financial stuff, but if he wants any access to that upon leaving prison, he'd keep his mouth shut. However, Josh is not known for making overly-thought-out decisions

I was talking specifically about a tell-all about his childhood in 2015. At that point, he had been charged with no crime. I'm not sure how a Son of Sam law would prevent him from writing that.  

[GeeGolly]

8 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Jeeves sorry your post is here...I hit the wrong button!

 

Lol Josh Dugger working?  The same Josh that waltzed out of jail under the wing of a million dollar defense attorney into a waiting chauffeur driven limousine...that Josh Dugger?

Idol hands will surely be this devil's workshop!

I'm not sure that was a chauffeured limo. It might have been his lawyer's SUV.

[Churchhoney]

12 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Potential trigger: not graphic/specific but focused on the general topic which is very difficult

  Reveal spoiler

Apparently some of what he viewed is banned even in the pedophile circles. I think for Josh, he is all about domination, cruelty, violence of the vulnerable. It's less about him being sexually "attracted and oriented" towards children. Just my opinion anyway.

 

Agree. Just something about his general attitudes and demeanor, plus the depiction of the molestations, has always suggested that to me, too, for some reason, 

[3girlsforus]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm not sure that was a chauffeured limo. It might have been his lawyer's SUV.

That’s what I think too. A big SUV with dark windows is exactly what a defense attorney who picks up clients from jail would want especially if any of them attract media attention. 

[Future Cat Lady]

2 hours ago, Clawdel said:

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the gullible couple who will be minding The Sex Pest. 

There is also a blurb about Covenant Eyes: 

 

I thought they were a much older couple. 

[JustRosie]

7 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

That’s what I think too. A big SUV with dark windows is exactly what a defense attorney who picks up clients from jail would want especially if any of them attract media attention. 

I think he loved the attention. Felt like a superstar. His smug attitude and demeanour throughout this has been appalling. 

[Oldernowiser]

1 hour ago, cereality said:

If ever there was a time for a construction job in the hot Arkansas summer sun, this is it. Construction notoriously is very loose on background checks (esp for white English speakers) and doesn’t care what you did as long as you won’t murder their other workers and are willing to sweat it out to lay tile or pour driveway concrete. He’d have to be on a job site at 7 am (that makes this unlikely for the fam that sleeps until noon), would come home exhausted at 3 pm, Mrs R could feed him dinner at 6 pm and he’d crash by 8 out of exhaustion. No time to wonder about CP or whatever.

I vote for this! Or let’s put him on an asphalt or a roof tarring crew made up of Latinx guys who are half his size, insanely tough, and could kick his ass in thirty seconds flat. Enjoy your rich White privilege while you can, marshmallow guy.

[Gigi43]

2 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I think he loved the attention. Felt like a superstar. His smug attitude and demeanour throughout this has been appalling. 

 

Oh Mr. I'm Too Recognizable to Flee was definitely smiling under that mask at the cameras being there. 

[JoanArc]

8 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I vote for this! Or let’s put him on an asphalt or a roof tarring crew made up of Latinx guys who are half his size, insanely tough, and could kick his ass in thirty seconds flat. Enjoy your rich White privilege while you can, marshmallow guy.

Plexus salesman

[ginger90]

The vehicle was a Chevy Suburban.

[xtwheeler]

26 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was talking specifically about a tell-all about his childhood in 2015. At that point, he had been charged with no crime. I'm not sure how a Son of Sam law would prevent him from writing that.  

Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Most Son of Sam laws have been revised not to prohibit the writing, but affecting the money earned. The Arkansas Son of Sam law does not prohibit him from writing, but from profiting.  Any profits must be turned over to the board to compensate crime victims. I don't know if AR's also prohibits friends, family, etc., from writing about them, but some do.

[Zella]

Just now, xtwheeler said:

Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Most Son of Sam laws have been revised not to prohibit the writing, but affecting the money earned. The Arkansas Son of Sam law does not prohibit him from writing, but from profiting.  Any profits must be turned over to the board to compensate crime victims. I don't know if AR's also prohibits friends, family, etc., from writing about them, but some do.

I get all that, but if you have never been charged with the crime to begin with, does that law still apply is my question. I assume that you could still be sued in civil court, but that's not quite the same thing. 

[irisheyes]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

 It’s still safe to Snark, right? 

Maybe if she worried less about the people “out there” and more about the people in her own house, she could have gotten Josh some help. Or at least not brought 7 innocent children into this mess. So busy looking at the speck in others’ eyes, she missed the huge plank in her own. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

2 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

Judging by the Rebers' house, this family can at least afford to feed Josh. If I were Maria, I wouldn't take responsibility for cooking his meals though. 

Somebody better find Josh some physical labor. He should be digging ditches or painting houses to work off the boredom. 

A better choice for Josh might be the Pearl family. They can put him on a blanket and hit him when he steps off. JB and Michelle seem to think this technique turns out good people. Or maybe not. 

I’d pay good money to smack him with a bamboo rod each time he wandered off a blanket. 

[xtwheeler]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

I get all that, but if you have never been charged with the crime to begin with, does that law still apply is my question. I assume that you could still be sued in civil court, but that's not quite the same thing. 

You mean if he'd never been arrested but wrote a book about liking pictures of CSA? Or about his childhood in general? I'm sorry, I know I'm missing what you're getting at, and I'm sorry!

We have a good example of how a civil suit might factor in, in the Goldman v. Simpson case. He was found legally responsible for Nicole & Ron's deaths, and has a HUGE cash judgment against him. ALL of his "income," including the proceeds from "If I Did It" (what a bastard) all go to satisfy that judgment. That's actually how he go caught up in the Nevada case -- he was trying to get cash on the sly so he didn't have to pay it towards the judgment. Hard to imagine an identifiable victim who could sue for such a judgment here.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, xtwheeler said:

You mean if he'd never been arrested but wrote a book about liking pictures of CSA? Or about his childhood in general? I'm sorry, I know I'm missing what you're getting at, and I'm sorry!

My comments on this have absolutely nothing to do with what he was just charged with. As I already said, the context of my comment was talking about in 2015.

At that point, he had not been charged with a crime. My original comment was saying if Josh had really wanted out, he could have done that in 2015. And people were saying how would he have funded it, and I said between scandals, he probably could have cashed in on a tell-all about his childhood. I didn't say any of the things that you seem to be assuming, and I don't see how a Son of Sam law to that would apply since he was never charged for the molestations, and even if he had, he could have still spun a tell-all that primarily just talked about how shitty his parents were.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Zella

[Darknight]

1 hour ago, Gigi43 said:

Yeah, I think this is going to have to be Work and not "work." With paystubs, provable hours and a boss who isn't named Duggar. Also, would his employment be limited because of the type of crime? Would he be allowed to work at Target during the day where there are children in and out all day long? I guess that will be sorted out. He has very few skills since I doubt he did anything at FRC (yeah I've seen the reddit post that said no.) Chain stores, at least where I am are hiring but with so many small businesses going out of business, those jobs are filling up. I know AK had been open more than the North East where I am, but, still, there are a lot of people all over out of work and looking. Who are you going to hire, a newly out of work guy because of COVID or Josh?  

Can you link the reddit post? Josh is a lazy person. He has no desire to do anything. I'll be embarrassed if I was Jimchelle. Your oldest son is a lazy deadbeat. Josh has always had things handed to him. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Darknight

[Darknight]

3 hours ago, Oldernowiser said:

I agree...just not having internet access until July will make him BSC. He doesn’t have a job, I doubt very much he has any hobby that isn’t illegal or a probation violation, and he’s in some stranger’s house 24/7. 
He’s going to have to sit on their sofa, eat junk food and watch basic cable until his trial.
Actually, he might be much happier.
 

Wasn't he doing this anyway? He never had a real job. Anna cooks, clean, raises the kids. She homeschool too. He does not do anything. Even male animals in the animal kingdom have jobs and help out. Josh does nothing. 

[xtwheeler]

24 minutes ago, Zella said:

My comments on this have absolutely nothing to do with what he was just charged with. As I already said, the context of my comment was talking about in 2015.

At that point, he had not been charged with a crime. My original comment was saying if Josh had really wanted out, he could have done that in 2015. And people were saying how would he have funded it, and I said between scandals, he probably could have cashed in on a tell-all about his childhood. I didn't say any of the things that you seem to be assuming, and I don't see how a Son of Sam law to that would apply since he was never charged for the molestations, and even if he had, he could have still spun a tell-all that primarily just talked about how shitty his parents were.

I'm sorry I responded in haste, and was trying to communicate that I knew I was missing pieces of what you were trying to say. I apologize again that I didn't understand your comment, nor the many nuances. My anaesthesia is still wearing off, and I'm absolutely not at my best right now. I apologize I didn't understand. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, xtwheeler said:

I'm sorry I responded in haste, and was trying to communicate that I knew I was missing pieces of what you were trying to say. I apologize again that I didn't understand your comment, nor the many nuances. My anaesthesia is still wearing off, and I'm absolutely not at my best right now. I apologize I didn't understand. 

No worries! :)

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, Darknight said:

Wasn't he doing this anyway? He never had a real job. Anna cooks, clean, raises the kids. She homeschool too. He does not do anything. Even male animals in the animal kingdom have jobs and help out. Josh does nothing. 

If Smuggar lays about expecting Maria to wait on him, I hope he has another thing coming. 

[hathorlive]

4 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Homeland Security is also involved in cyber security.  Since Josh downloaded illegal images from the internet, it fell under their jurisdiction to investigate.

Homeland has ALL the money.  I would kill for 1/3 of the toys they get.  As part of crime fighting, Homeland funds all sorts of taskforces that enable local and state law enforcement to develop better skill sets.  They provide training and equipment so they can conduct investigations at their local levels.  For example, my forensic computer cost about 10,000.  The software that runs my forensic programs costs about another 20 to 40K a year.  Most local police departments can't afford that.  When you join the taskforce, you often get training, equipment and software.  We were on a dark web training class a few years ago funded by Homeland.  

[Darknight]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

If Smuggar lays about expecting Maria to wait on him, I hope he has another thing coming. 

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

[Darknight]

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I know opinions vary on Anna, but I've lost all sympathy at this point. The fact that she went with Joshley to turn himself in is yet another example of her choosing her husband over her children. 

People will make excuses that she's brainwashed, another victim, trapped in the cult, etc., but to me she's no different than the countless "real world" women who allow boyfriends/husbands to get away with abuse because they can't imagine life without a man. I'm done with her. The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids.

These people are prolife but can't protect their own kids. So much for being prolife Anna. 

[mythoughtis]

7 hours ago, Namaste said:

I’m not sure it’s related to Josh’s trouble. Sounds like he just has a story to tell about something else?

Could be complete BS too. 

Maybe he’s talking about one of Anna’s brothers? 

[emmawoodhouse]

23 minutes ago, Darknight said:

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

[Darknight]

12 hours ago, Kellyee said:

While Josh is horrible, I doubt CPS will yank the kids from Anna unless they find evidence that Josh abused them. Foster care is no walk in the park. Kids are molested and killed in foster care on a regular basis. They really are safer with their family (except Josh).

 

 

 

CPS will most likely not remove the kids. They have little staff, a lot of kids they can't find homes for, and it is traumatic to remove a child away from their birth parents. Yes even bad parents. On top of this the kids would be split up. The oldest M kid is 11 going on 12. She's old in the foster care system and might end up in a group home away from her siblings. 

 

Yes, sadly foster care isn't perfect either. There are kids who die and are abused in foster care. Statistics show foster kids are 10x more likely to be abused. 

 

I'm a foster and adoptive parent. It takes a lot to remove a kid. In recent years laws were passed to keep kids with their families. So even if Anna didn't have the kids, CPS will look for extended family. I mean Jimchelle got Tyler. The M kids would be placed with Jimchelle or Anna's family. So they're stuck. I really hope Josh gets the maximum. I hope therapy real therapy is given to the kids.