Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

[RazzleberryPie]

That's what it sounds like. I can't snark on her fresh off a traumatic birth.

I could. I know I'd be super quick to point out the second she did start that baby voice mess, but I don't think that's what was happening.

[Sew Sumi]

So, we should attribute this as a failure of Duggar Studios Productions? :D

[Sew Sumi]

Saw over on FJ (sorry, I was unable to copy the pic for some weird reason) that Benessa were spotted in the St. Louis airport yesterday. Spoogy wasn't being carried by either of them. Perhaps he was out of camera range with Jana, but this was a fan pic, so I don't see why Jana/baby wouldn't have been included, too. 

 

So, where were they headed, presumably without their three month old infant? 

[BitterApple]

Wow, they're already ditching the kid? I guess Spooge didn't give Jessa the publicity and freebies she wanted, so he's Jana's problem now.

[sometimesy]

'Jessa you were in charge of packing and you forgot the prop.'

[Defrauder]

Dolly Parton in pants and full cleavage- next up Jim Bob dancing and rapping about Motherhood with a woman singer and dancer. What's next the Duggars vs. the Kardashians in a tug of war contest?

[Mollie]

Dolly Parton in pants and full cleavage- next up Jim Bob dancing and rapping about Motherhood with a woman singer and dancer. What's next the Duggars vs. the Kardashians in a tug of war contest?

It just proves that the hypocrisy we see in Josh was inherited from his parents.

[Obsidian]

Are Ben and Jessa allowed to have sex again yet?  It's 40 days after the birth of a boy and 80 days after the birth of a girl right?  Have they crossed the finish line yet or is Ben still masturbating to swimsuit bikini ads in the bathroom?

Why twice as long after a girl?

 

And come on, Boob, I know your wife is watching, but if you want to dance, do it properly. It really won't induce any swooning.

[Defrauder]

Why twice as long after a girl?

 

And come on, Boob, I know your wife is watching, but if you want to dance, do it properly. It really won't induce any swooning.

I don't know something about purity.  There's a video somewhere where Michelle explains it so it's no wonder I forgot the reason.  I'll try to f ind the answer.

[Defrauder]

Found it!  It's an Old Testament rule apparently.  From the Duggar Family Blog:

 

Jim bob and Michelle have chosen to follow Old Testament principles of abstinence, not because they feel the have to, but because they have found that abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. They abstain for a week each month, as well as for 80 days after the birth of a girl and 40 days after a boy is born. "When you've missed it for seven days, you look forward to it even more," said Michelle.

 

http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2014/02/duggars-on-intimacy-in-marriage.html

[Soup333]

Almost lost my breakfast after that one. Seriously disgusted at the thought of them "missing" each other. God only knows what those poor kids were subjected to listening to while growing up.

[Defrauder]

Almost lost my breakfast after that one. Seriously disgusted at the thought of them "missing" each other. God only knows what those poor kids were subjected to listening to while growing up.

Those kids heard it all.  I think they lost their breakfast more than a few times too.  But hey hey hey the fertility chart gave them some safe haven - oh thank goodness mom and dad aren't doing it this week.

[Oldernowiser]

I'm sorry, but they protest entirely too much. It's like high school...those who are talking about sex most are having it the least.

As for the poor kids listening to it..."it doesn't take long," so they can probably just pray extra loud for three minutes.

[kokapetl]

The 40/80 days looks biblical. Shouldn't they also be burning lambs to a crisp and sacrificing pigeons?

Doubt there's any need for JimChelle to abstain for seven days a month these days.

Edited February 20, 2016 by Kokapetl

[Oldernowiser]

Oh, hell, we're in the wrong thread!

[Defrauder]

Oh, hell, we're in the wrong thread!

Not if Ben had to follow the 40 day rule.   I guess he's back in the game by now. 

[Barb23]

Is 6 weeks (approx 42 days) still the amount of time OB's recommend to wait to have sex after a birth? In the case of a difficult birth with a lot of repair work I'm thinking it may be longer.

[Defrauder]

Ok, that seals it. These two are nuts. Why does their whole life revolve around sex? Talking about it. Charting it. Arbitrarily scheduling it according to some weird 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' mind game. Demonstrating it, hey hey hey, in public, in front of their kids, at a mini golf course. Premarital prevention of it. Public promotion of being unfailingly 'joyfully available'. Good grief, people, get another hobby. Read a book. Do volunteer work. And most of all, please STFU about it.

Because females are more 'unclean'. Again I say: these people and their ilk are nuts.

You said a mouthful right there perfectly hitting the nail on the head.

[Vaysh]

Arbitrarily scheduling it according to some weird 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' mind game.

 

She means the week she's on her period but is too squeamish to say it out loud.

[Soup333]

40 days is less than the doctor recommended 6 weeks (although not everybody sticks to that). If she "caught" within that time period, Spurgeon could conceivably have a little sibling that is 10 months younger than he is. If little Spurgie had been a girl, the closest they could be is about a year.

 

Randomly wondering if the spacing of the Duggar kids reflect this biblical based waiting game. 

[Defrauder]

The 'joyfully available' part cracks me up, as opposed to what dreading it and having to be tied down?

[kokapetl]

40 days is less than the doctor recommended 6 weeks (although not everybody sticks to that). If she "caught" within that time period, Spurgeon could conceivably have a little sibling that is 10 months younger than he is. If little Spurgie had been a girl, the closest they could be is about a year.

Randomly wondering if the spacing of the Duggar kids reflect this biblical based waiting game.

I think the gap between Jinger and Joseph was the shortest: 13 months. I think Jessa and Jinger was 13 and 1/2 months. The Jordyn and Josie gap doesn't really count.

[NewDigs]

Bolding mine

And what about ENCOURAGING (a Fundie favorite word) husbands to be JOYFULLY UNAVAILABLE when wifey is just too damned tired or, perhaps, just not feelin' it that night? Can't we set the bar a bit higher for the men folk?

Oh for god's sake, Mullet, grow the hell up. We all know what menstruation is.

Heretic!

[RazzleberryPie]

Joyfully available, yeah right. Most physicians say 6 weeks, maybe more if there was slower recovery and damage. 6 weeks is about 40 days. 80 days = a bible excuse to not have to hey hey hey for another six weeks. I don't blame her. No matter what Michelle says she almost cringes eveytime he touches her.

[Platypus]

Found it!  It's an Old Testament rule apparently.  From the Duggar Family Blog:

 

Jim bob and Michelle have chosen to follow Old Testament principles of abstinence, not because they feel the have to, but because they have found that abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. They abstain for a week each month, as well as for 80 days after the birth of a girl and 40 days after a boy is born. "When you've missed it for seven days, you look forward to it even more," said Michelle.

 

http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2014/02/duggars-on-intimacy-in-marriage.html

Good lord, they tell the entire world about their sex lives?!  And on their modest 'family' blog at that.  talk about cognitive dissonance.  I wonder if they use their pre-frontal cortex at all.

[NewDigs]

Good lord, they tell the entire world about their sex lives?! And on their modest 'family' blog at that. talk about cognitive dissonance. I wonder if they use their pre-frontal cortex at all.

I believe the tv viewer can actually follow menstrual/fertility cycles with a look at the Duggar wall calendars.

HeyHeyHey!

eta the fertility thing.

Edited February 20, 2016 by NewDigs

[Marigold]

Jessa and jill are way more modest about sex etc than their stupid parents. Jim Bob and Michelle are like two horny teens in the back of a Chevy on a Saturday night.

Jessa and Jill have answered questions about "intimacy" on a talking head segment when asked how was it going from not touching to sex. They were both vague and then dropped it. Ben is 20 and knows not to simulate sex on camera. Yep, that Jim Bob is doll.

Josh and Anna have even been more sexed up than Jill and Jessa. Didn't Anna say something like "practice makes pertect and that makes babies" Seems Joshy was having his own practice sessions without his wife.

Edited February 20, 2016 by Marigold

[Platypus]

Jessa's instagram of Spurgeon Elliiot; so cute, he is cooing and it make me sad for the day he understands what they are saying. All those brain neurons never firing off.

I still have hope for her.  I grew up in a similarly religious, dysfunctional family.  I started out mothering the same way, but it took only a couple of months to chuck all that out the window.  The 'mother bear' instinct was so strong, it made me question my parents' child-rearing practices.  Over the next ten years that snowballed and I ended up doing a complete 180 on the entire belief system with which I'd been raised.  so you never know...

 

eta I forgot to finish the point I'd been trying to make.

Edited February 20, 2016 by Platypus

[JoanArc]

 

Josh and Anna have even been more sexed up than Jill and Jessa. Didn't Anna say something like "practice makes pertect and that makes babies" Seems Joshy was having his own practice sessions without his wife.

Josh pointed out all the beds they had sex on during their honeymoon. On national tv. Double yuck.

[Pinke]

Found it!  It's an Old Testament rule apparently.  From the Duggar Family Blog:

 

Jim bob and Michelle have chosen to follow Old Testament principles of abstinence, not because they feel the have to, but because they have found that abstinence makes the heart grow fonder. They abstain for a week each month, as well as for 80 days after the birth of a girl and 40 days after a boy is born. "When you've missed it for seven days, you look forward to it even more," said Michelle.

 

http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/2014/02/duggars-on-intimacy-in-marriage.html

 

I wish I hadn't read that, especially the last sentence :X

 

Someone please pass the brain bleach!

 

Edited February 20, 2016 by PinkyCupcake

[Churchhoney]

 

Ok, that seals it. These two are nuts. Why does their whole life revolve around sex?

 

 

Sometimes I wonder whether all the to-do doesn't mean that they got married young so that they could legitimately have sex. But then found out that they didn't really enjoy it that much. So ever since they've been "trying" in probably stupid ways to rev up that enjoyment but have never really managed to. .. So all they've got is the endless "trying" and a whole lot of bragging about it and obsessing over it as compensation for giving up their young-adult years for something that turned out not to be that much fun for them after all.

 

As you say, there just seems to be something way off about people their age carrying on about sex so often and so much to the exclusion of everything else. It seems as if it could be a protest-too-much situation.

 

I hope that, whatever this is, it's not a tradition they pass on to the kids. But I guess they have already, with Josh. And while Jill and Derick and Jessa and Ben dont' do this now, I'm not confident that Jessa and Ben, especially, woudln't turn out to be a similarly protesting couple somewhere down the line if they end up feeling disappointed with their romantic life.

Edited February 20, 2016 by Churchhoney

[GeeGolly]

Sometimes I wonder whether all the to-do doesn't mean that they got married young so that they could legitimately have sex. But then found out that they didn't really enjoy it that much. So ever since they've been "trying" in probably stupid ways to rev up that enjoyment but have never really managed to. .. So all they've got is the endless "trying" and a whole lot of bragging about it and obsessing over it as compensation for giving up their young-adult years for something that turned out not to be that much fun for them after all.

 

As you say, there just seems to be something way off about people their age carrying on about sex so often and so much to the exclusion of everything else. It seems as if it could be a protest-too-much situation.

 

I hope that, whatever this is, it's not a tradition they pass on to the kids. But I guess they have already, with Josh. And while Jill and Derick and Jessa and Ben dont' do this now, I'm not confident that Jessa and Ben, especially, woudln't turn out to be a similarly protesting couple somewhere down the line if they end up feeling disappointed with their romantic life.

I'm not sure JB ever thought he would get a girl and actually have sex. Now he has to prove it to all his old classmates that he has done it ... more than 19 times.

[Westiepeach]

Josh and Anna have even been more sexed up than Jill and Jessa. Didn't Anna say something like "practice makes pertect and that makes babies" Seems Joshy was having his own practice sessions without his wife.

I am ashamed that I even remember this, but I think Anna said, "Practice makes progress and progress makes babies." Or something.

[Sew Sumi]

She means the week she's on her period but is too squeamish to say it out loud.

Is that even a concern for her anymore? The average age of menopause is 51, which means periods stop at 50. She's 49. 

 

Back to Benessa, I wonder if they're following these same rules? I imagine with the rough time she had delivering Spoogy, they had to abstain for more than 6 weeks. 

Edited February 21, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[SometimesBites]

I couldn't bear to turn the sound on--just the video in blessed silence. What I noticed first and couldn't look away from was the defrauding gray-green bulging legs of the...whatever she is. Second, yes--Michelle grinding out her joyful countenance. Ick, ick, ick.

[Jynnan tonnix]

Is that even a concern for her anymore? The average age of menopause is 51, which means periods stop at 50. She's 49. 

 

 

Then again, if she is anything like me (and I know I'm not uncommon here), the years leading up to menopause often come with extremely heavy periods lasting longer and coming closer together. I actually had a hysterectomy at 52 due to being so anemic as a result of barely getting a break between periods. So much for "joyful availability"!

[Barb23]

Josh pointed out all the beds they had sex on during their honeymoon. On national tv. Double yuck.

Oh, I forgot all about Studley Marriage Josh showing us the beds.

For some strange reason I did like this episode. I think it has to do with them finally being alone without a chaperone. Josh mentioned them talking for hours getting to know one another. I do admit them wanting to spend the night at the Aquarium on their honeymoon stupid.

I've lost track of the Duggar timeline. Was the Benessa European Honeymoon ever shown on TV? I'm thinking it was supposed to be but then the show was canceled.

[Arwen Evenstar]

I wish I hadn't read that, especially the last sentence :X

Someone please pass the brain bleach!

The whole Old Testament thing they are referring to are the purity laws still practiced by Orthodox Jews...following ritual observances after menstruation and childbirth. Unless Michelle was just being coy...the 7 days she mentioned sounded very much like her period. The actual observance requires the wife be blood free for 7 days after her period ends and no sex during the bleeding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niddah

Once the wife has satisfied this requirement, she immerses herself in a mikveh, a ritual cleansing bath. In the Biblical times, the niddah had to sleep outside. I'm not sure Michelle camped outside...and I highly doubt Princess Jessa would.

Similar rituals apply to childbirth though the abstenance period is longer....due to hormonal changes and post partum bleeding and healing after birth it only makes sense.

This is in reference to the posts about the days of abstenance after the birth of a boy or girl

Edited February 21, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[allonsyalice]

I've lost track of the Duggar timeline. Was the Benessa European Honeymoon ever shown on TV? I'm thinking it was supposed to be but then the show was canceled.

 

It was shown! It was the last season shown, episode 15, European Honeymoon. We were subjected to watching them eat snails and kiss with pigeons on their heads 

[queenanne]

I don't actually buy into the patriarch and his brood mare being so hot for each other. As with their entire existence, it seems just more play acting according to Gothard's bizarro script. Like children they seem to live in a plastic, pretend world and constant and daily marital hot for each other is just part of the Jesus script.

 

I think that's because you're never supposed to act or have feelings like you could want anyone else enough to commit adultery, thus you have been blessed with an endless unquenchable, unwavering lust for your spouse.  Wouldn't want people with high sex drives thinking they couldn't be satisfied with one wo/man.

 

It was shown! It was the last season shown, episode 15, European Honeymoon. We were subjected to watching them eat snails and kiss with pigeons on their heads 

 

I didn't see it, but who could be blamed for forgetting it, with the no-doubt sparkling repartee like Ben asking Jessa if random pieces of paper are serving as her Bible bookmark?

[allonsyalice]

No doubt! Dullsville: Population Ben and Jessa. Unfortunately, however, the thing with the pigeons is seared into my memory. I'm pretty sure it's what I'll see when i'm on my deathbed.

[NikSac]

It was shown! It was the last season shown, episode 15, European Honeymoon. We were subjected to watching them eat snails and kiss with pigeons on their heads

And put a gigantic heavy lock Ben made on that "love lock" bridge - you know, the one with signs everywhere asking people to stop doing that because it's destroying the bridge? Yeah that one. I'm sure it's been cut off by now and melted down with all the others.

[Muffyn]

I didn't see it, but who could be blamed for forgetting it, with the no-doubt sparkling repartee like Ben asking Jessa if random pieces of paper are serving as her Bible bookmark?

Riveting! How could I miss this?

[kokapetl]

Ben was scared to walk on the glass floor part of the Eiffel Tower. And being the superstars they are, they got to visit before it was open for the day to the general public.

[NewDigs]

And put a gigantic heavy lock Ben made on that "love lock" bridge - you know, the one with signs everywhere asking people to stop doing that because it's destroying the bridge? Yeah that one. I'm sure it's been cut off by now and melted down with all the others.

I think another issue was all of those tossed keys deteriorating and polluting the Seine.

I was thinking of looking for that episode until allonsyalice mentioned "pigeons" and "seared into memory". Is pigeon shit involved?

Edited February 21, 2016 by NewDigs

[Zahdii]

Well, there was the riveting scene where they contributed to the instability of a footbridge by hanging on a handmade love-lock.  Sweet idea in one respect, but a disaster when it came to the structural stability of the bridge and the pollution of the river below by all those romantic idiots throwing the keys into the water.

[NikSac]

I think another issue was all of those tossed keys deteriorating and polluting the Seine.

I was thinking of looking for that episode until allonsyalice mentioned "pigeons" and "seared into memory". Is pigeon shit involved?

Ah yes, that too. I think I saw somewhere that they finally had to block that pretty iron work with plexiglass to stop the madness. I'm not sure if that was this bridge or a different one because apparently the lock trend started spreading all over the place.

As for the pigeons I don't recall seeing any pigeon shit but I wasn't watching that closely. But I mean...they're pigeons, so even if you don't see it you can kinda imagine.

[Churchhoney]

Oh, I forgot all about Studley Marriage Josh showing us the beds.

For some strange reason I did like this episode. I think it has to do with them finally being alone without a chaperone. Josh mentioned them talking for hours getting to know one another. I do admit them wanting to spend the night at the Aquarium on their honeymoon stupid.

I've lost track of the Duggar timeline. Was the Benessa European Honeymoon ever shown on TV? I'm thinking it was supposed to be but then the show was canceled.

 

No, it was shown. It was one of the two episodes that I've ever actually tried to watch. Couldn't make it through half of either episode, though. In the honeymoon one, I swear they repeated one of the uber uber boring talking heads at least twice in the first 20 minutes. (That could just be a hallucination brought on by the worst tv-watching boredom I ever experienced, though.)

No doubt! Dullsville: Population Ben and Jessa. Unfortunately, however, the thing with the pigeons is seared into my memory. I'm pretty sure it's what I'll see when i'm on my deathbed.

 

Well, at least you won't see that big-headed photo of JB that keeps popping up on this site. I'm pretty sure that's what I'll see.

[GeeGolly]

No, it was shown. It was one of the two episodes that I've ever actually tried to watch. Couldn't make it through half of either episode, though. In the honeymoon one, I swear they repeated one of the uber uber boring talking heads at least twice in the first 20 minutes. (That could just be a hallucination brought on by the worst tv-watching boredom I ever experienced, though.)

 

Well, at least you won't see that big-headed photo of JB that keeps popping up on this site. I'm pretty sure that's what I'll see.

No hallucinations Churchie. They often break for commercial with one clip, and start after the commercials with the exact same clip.

[Marigold]

I think jessa is going to keep quiet about their sex life.

Jessa seems to be different than her parents.

She wanted her first kiss to be private. I think she didn't even tell Jim Bob and Michelle that they were going to kiss privately, right? Weren't they surprised, standing there like idiots and then they kissed?

She kept the sex of the baby private.

Her birth video wasn't really that explicit; she wasn't on the toilet.

We have seen her roll her eyes at Jim Bob once (that I know of) so she has some opinions of her own.

She did not look amused at her father dry humping her mother at the mini golf game.

i think jessa feels overexposed sometimes.

Someone posted above that she might really change her parenting style as she grows up a bit...I totally agree. I have some hope for Jessa and Ben. I think Jessa could've been intelligent if she was allowed to be educated. Being free from her foolish parents for a few hours or days might allow her to grow just enough to realize "hey, there is another way to do things and I'm going to do it the way I want"

Ben is young and cocky but he shows a small spark of life...nothing major but as we have noted before, he does try.

I have zero hope for Jill. Derick is a disappointment too. At this point, i think Jill is smarter than Derick.