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2 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, spread that amount of information and skills out over a 12-year period and you probably have as much education as MacArthur and company really want most kids to have....

Want most girls to have. FIFY.

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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27 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Want most girls to have. FIFY.

I think it probably goes for most boys, too, actually. For one thing, MacArthur's well known for despising and casting away even any of the men in his seminary who have the audacity to question any of the stances he takes. He demands acolytes, not people who think. 

And I expect that the whole Covid thing and cultural changes like gay marriage and so on have them quite spooked about the danger that a whole generation -- male and female -- is ultimately turning against their most cherished beliefs -- which don't allow for any  wiggle room. 

If a young guy goes to a non-conservative-Christian school he's likely to become acquainted with gay people and find out that he doesn't think they're immediately hellbound, for example.....And ditto for Jews, Muslims, atheists, Catholics, etc.....And they don't want that kind of tolerance in the heads of boys any more than they want it in the heads of girls. 

So while, yeah, misogyny remains rampant with them, I'm pretty sure this is more than just an attempt to control girls.

It's an attempt to control a generation that they're terrified will slip away from them and destroy their power (not to mention their big incomes).

When you look at opinion polls on social and cultural issues, the young as a group are tolerating and even embracing a lot of things that are absolute anathema to the MacArthur guys. And so their power structure depends on their keeping as many of the young generation as possible away from that shift, whichever sex they are, I believe.

And since they've convinced themselves that their power structure is actually aligned completely with God himself, I'm sure they feel utterly justified and holy as all heck as they do whatever they can to defend it. 

Look at the Duggars, even. They don't educate boys any more than they educate girls. Boys have a bit more freedom and agency in some ways. But not when it comes to being encouraged to know things. or Learn things. That way apostasy lies. 

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Salacious Kitty

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Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores? 

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Just now, Salacious Kitty said:

Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores? 

Anymore, the SAT and ACT are going the way of the dinosaur and many colleges are phasing them out or making them optional.  Currently, Liberty requires scores from either test or the CLT which seems to be a liberal arts 'alternative' type exam.

When Johnny Mac claims to teach critical thinking, he means he teaches his students to be critical of anyone who thinks.

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Churchhoney

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15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores? 

JM makes a big thing out of how his seminary and university teach "criticial thinking" too. But while they do stress a certain kind of logic and other intellectual disciplines and subject matter, it's ultimately all about "criticize things from my standpoint." ....

There's certainly an intellectual component to what the seminary teachers ...

But when they teach Hebrew and Greek, for example, so the preachers-in-training can say that they're revealing wht the original-source Bible says, they somehow say that the principles of their particular sect are "the truth" and that truth is your lens, so when you supposedly closely read and analyze the Hebrew text of some Old Testament passage, your brand of "critical analysis" will turn up the "truth" that in fact it means just exactly what Johnny Mac told you it meant. .... 

So you definitely use your mind in some ways, but if you're following their teaching, your interpretations and thoughts always come out supporting the belief system that obtains there. .... What you call critical thinking uses a certain kind of analysis and kind of logic, but all it ends criticizing is incorrect is stuff you were taught to disbelieve,,,,

There are definitely Master's Seminar grads who now reject various parts of the overall belief system -- but JM absolutely condemns the kind of critical thinking (which was probably the REAL kind)  that got them to that point.....

IIt's not different from lots and lots of other schools of thought, reglisiou and non, I guess.

Where the intellect is iinvovled in some ways but where the group and its leaders so strongly embrace some underlying belief they also embrace the idea that that underlying belief will ultimately to be what's  vindicated by analysis. And if your intellect leads you to question that then you're not thinking critically or thinking well.....

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40 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

.If they learn to do much more than that with their brains, they may start thinking thoughts that haven't been directly handed to them by TPTB. Preventing that is the main reason they're starting their "school," I expect. 

John MacDonald is a different breed than Gothard.  He's into a more "intellectualized" version of Christianity and has a college along with the seminary associated with the church.  He needs the more educated students to keep filling the college and seminary seats.  

The homeschool/classroom combo has a lot of genesis in the COVID stay at home plan.  A lot of Los Angeles county parents were looking for school placements when their kids were suddenly at home all day.  Many of those did not move the kids back to public school and there has been a residual effect of more parents looking into private school.  It probably came up in management discussions of whether they should jump on the bandwagon or not.  

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Nysha

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22 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Yup. School is back soon. I'm back for meetings next Monday. 

If I weren't on family medical leave I would have gone back Monday, too. Normally I have July off, but my leave started on June 1. 

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21 hours ago, TigerLily20 said:

$5,000 per kid for the parents to do more of the work at home than the teachers...I am one who is still pro-homework but come on...

Head Start is free, but when my daughter was in it she went to class from 9-12 three days a week & I was given curriculum/homework for her to do the other two days. 

Also, this type of hybrid schooling will allow Jinger to catch up to her husband's friends' wives...eventually.

16 hours ago, awaken said:

Yes, guaranteed it would be tuition free in exchange for SM advertising. 

If they convince 2-3 like-minded xtians to put their kid in Johnny Mac's school, then they've paid for Felicity's tuition for the year. I think it's entirely possible for that to happen. 

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6 hours ago, Notabug said:

Anymore, the SAT and ACT are going the way of the dinosaur and many colleges are phasing them out or making them optional.  Currently, Liberty requires scores from either test or the CLT which seems to be a liberal arts 'alternative' type exam.

When Johnny Mac claims to teach critical thinking, he means he teaches his students to be critical of anyone who thinks.

I read CLT and thought, geez, this crowd likely can't find the clit with both hands and a flashlight. I'll see myself to the prayer closet...

I agree that JM wants his followers to be critical of anyone who thinks.

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satrunrose

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Jer will want the best of whatever he can grift to impress people. I'm also assuming that's some sort of school. Their hiding the kids thing has mostly killed any possible "Look what a great (homeschooling Christian) mom Jinger is!" angle. I also suspect homeschooling (carefully documented for social media, of course) would put too much attention on Jinge. I can't help noticing that most of what they put out about her boils down to "Jinger is pretty and fashionable". There are a few nods to accomplishments (working out and cooking), but a. they're rare and b. never show evidence that she's actually good at it. 

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3 hours ago, satrunrose said:

Jer will want the best of whatever he can grift to impress people. I'm also assuming that's some sort of school. Their hiding the kids thing has mostly killed any possible "Look what a great (homeschooling Christian) mom Jinger is!" angle. I also suspect homeschooling (carefully documented for social media, of course) would put too much attention on Jinge. I can't help noticing that most of what they put out about her boils down to "Jinger is pretty and fashionable". There are a few nods to accomplishments (working out and cooking), but a. they're rare and b. never show evidence that she's actually good at it. 

Yeah this is my take on it. And I'd say between being homeschooled by Jinger or going to Mac Daddy's private school, the latter would probably provide a better education. Not that I think it would provide a good one, but I really don't think Jinger is equipped to homeschool. To be fair to her, I would say the same about all her siblings. I think the Vuolo girls would benefit much more from a public school or a non-Mac-Daddy affiliated private school, but I think Jeremy's nose is too firmly implanted in MacArthur's ass to opt out, and he doesn't have the backbone to do that. 

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Salacious Kitty

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6 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yeah this is my take on it. And I'd say between being homeschooled by Jinger or going to Mac Daddy's private school, the latter would probably provide a better education. Not that I think it would provide a good one, but I really don't think Jinger is equipped to homeschool. To be fair to her, I would say the same about all her siblings. I think the Vuolo girls would benefit much more from a public school or a non-Mac-Daddy affiliated private school, but I think Jeremy's nose is too firmly implanted in MacArthur's ass to opt out, and he doesn't have the backbone to do that. 

Johnny Mac's school is supposed to be an augmentation to homeschooling, not take the place of it. They have the kids for 14 hours a week, and it's suggested that the parents homeschool another 16.

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Zella

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2 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Johnny Mac's school is supposed to be an augmentation to homeschooling, not take the place of it. They have the kids for 14 hours a week, and it's suggested that the parents homeschool another 16.

I did not realize that. In that case, those poor kids. 

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50 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Johnny Mac's school is supposed to be an augmentation to homeschooling, not take the place of it. They have the kids for 14 hours a week, and it's suggested that the parents homeschool another 16.

Wow! I missed that the hybrid program was for K-8. I thought it was for preschool-K. Well, it seems Jinger might get a better primary & secondary education than any of her siblings, even if it starts 20-some years after she turned 5.

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9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I say go for it if they can get their kids a free education. Not that different from the Dillard boys getting free swimming lessons.

No arguments there! Despite my general eye rolling towards a life of grifting, I'm relieved when it ends up providing the kids (I'm including the Rod kids here) skills, knowledge or a chance at a better future. I guess my two issues are 1) this JMac hybrid style program that's being discussed just cements my belief that Jer and Jing have affiliated themselves with a Gothard-esque group in a shinier package. I'm concerned that Felicity and Evie may end up with a similar-ahem- quality education as their plant theologian cousins (assuming this is the way J+J go, which is just speculation at this point). 2) I don't like the vibe I get from Jeremy that all of the people in his life (most importantly his wife and children) are mostly accessories to prove his radness rather than humans with needs. Educational choices should come down to setting up the girls to make their way in the world as independent adults. If he can do that for a reduced price, fine, but I worry that it's going to be more about getting likes on the 'gram (and likes from his bosses). 

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3 hours ago, satrunrose said:

No arguments there! Despite my general eye rolling towards a life of grifting, I'm relieved when it ends up providing the kids (I'm including the Rod kids here) skills, knowledge or a chance at a better future. I guess my two issues are 1) this JMac hybrid style program that's being discussed just cements my belief that Jer and Jing have affiliated themselves with a Gothard-esque group in a shinier package. I'm concerned that Felicity and Evie may end up with a similar-ahem- quality education as their plant theologian cousins (assuming this is the way J+J go, which is just speculation at this point). 2) I don't like the vibe I get from Jeremy that all of the people in his life (most importantly his wife and children) are mostly accessories to prove his radness rather than humans with needs. Educational choices should come down to setting up the girls to make their way in the world as independent adults. If he can do that for a reduced price, fine, but I worry that it's going to be more about getting likes on the 'gram (and likes from his bosses). 

This is all based on speculation anyway.

I don't get the vibe that Jeremy makes decisions based on IG or public opinion, that IMO describes Derick. I do get the vibe that J&J like nice things and likely think they're way cooler than they are though.

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Salacious Kitty

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Just checked the YouTube video. It only has 13k views in 2 days. So, it looks like this is yet another failed venture. 

eta By comparison, Joy has 7.6k in 3 hours on a Sunday. 😂

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5 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Just checked the YouTube video. It only has 13k views in 2 days. So, it looks like this is yet another failed venture. 

eta By comparison, Joy has 7.6k in 3 hours on a Sunday. 😂

I enjoyed Joy's video and watched the entire thing.  She's has a good spirit and is unpretenious.  Jessa and Jinger could take lessons from her, but I'm sure they won't.

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Cinnabon

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12 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I enjoyed Joy's video and watched the entire thing.  She's has a good spirit and is unpretenious.  Jessa and Jinger could take lessons from her, but I'm sure they won't.

Joy is a good fundie bot in this season of life. 

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20 hours ago, Stevie Nicks said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cg4pz1Wl70w/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

To recap: They get fueled up for a day of shopping and sewing with free food at the highest rated yelp restaurant in the country, which Jinger called next level. Aspiring designer, Chi.QC, enjoyed his food while Jinger, Jeremy and some guy they didn't bother to introduce the audience to engaged in a hard to follow conversation involving yelp reviews and Michelin stars that apparently was amusing in some way. Then they headed over to grab some t-shirts for the craft project. On the way out of the t-shirt store, Jinger and Jeremy spent several minutes discussing these invisible children the audience has no connection to. Then over to Chi's place where Jinger spaced out as he explained his mood board. Various parts of t-shirts are sewn together, Jinger pretends to love it and then proceeds to walk away in a shirt that has giant hands on the back and a big bear on the side. They linked Chi's info and he only has about 1000 subscribers and low view counts. J&J did a good deed by trying to help out this nice young man with questionable talent. Keyword with them, as always: Trying.

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You know what is "next level," Jinger??? Clothing that changes color when it changes temperature. It was popular in the late 80s and early 90s, so probably just before you were born. Hypercolor shirts!

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4 hours ago, canaanite2 said:

To recap: They get fueled up for a day of shopping and sewing with free food at the highest rated yelp restaurant in the country, which Jinger called next level. Aspiring designer, Chi.QC, enjoyed his food while Jinger, Jeremy and some guy they didn't bother to introduce the audience to engaged in a hard to follow conversation involving yelp reviews and Michelin stars that apparently was amusing in some way. Then they headed over to grab some t-shirts for the craft project. On the way out of the t-shirt store, Jinger and Jeremy spent several minutes discussing these invisible children the audience has no connection to. Then over to Chi's place where Jinger spaced out as he explained his mood board. Various parts of t-shirts are sewn together, Jinger pretends to love it and then proceeds to walk away in a shirt that has giant hands on the back and a big bear on the side. They linked Chi's info and he only has about 1000 subscribers and low view counts. J&J did a good deed by trying to help out this nice young man with questionable talent. Keyword with them, as always: Trying.

Thank you for the recap. 

I think I’m going to call them next level and rad homie. Example 

next level and rad homie went to buy rad pens at the mall.

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As you've probably guessed from my name, I skate a lot. Specifically, hockey. Last week, a new guy joined one of the leagues I'm in, and the name on the back of his jersey was "BOOKS". I automatically thought "Jeremy? Plays hockey?" Never mind that I'm about 3000 miles away from California - when I saw "BOOKS", that was the first thing that popped into my head!

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45 minutes ago, skatelady said:

As you've probably guessed from my name, I skate a lot. Specifically, hockey. Last week, a new guy joined one of the leagues I'm in, and the name on the back of his jersey was "BOOKS". I automatically thought "Jeremy? Plays hockey?" Never mind that I'm about 3000 miles away from California - when I saw "BOOKS", that was the first thing that popped into my head!

Did he call you homie? If not, you're probably safe. 😂

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19 hours ago, canaanite2 said:

To recap: They get fueled up for a day of shopping and sewing with free food at the highest rated yelp restaurant in the country, which Jinger called next level. Aspiring designer, Chi.QC, enjoyed his food while Jinger, Jeremy and some guy they didn't bother to introduce the audience to engaged in a hard to follow conversation involving yelp reviews and Michelin stars that apparently was amusing in some way. 

Thank you for the recap, will not give them any clicks.  Can you please mention the Yelp highest-rated restaurant to satisfy my curiosity?  I googled the phrase and came up with 10 in LA.

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Absolom

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I love Porto's.  They did the wedding cakes for two of my offspring.  They've also done some birthday cakes for the grandchildren.  I had some items last month as they were doing a fundraiser with the grandkids' school.  Everything we've had there has been delicious. 

But really Porto's is the highest rated restaurant in the country on Yelp?  Is that what they were saying?  It's good, but not *that* good.  Take me to Din Tai Fung or several other places first. 

I "googled" and didn't find a reference to Porto's having the highest yelp rating in the country so who knows what Jeremy was seeing.  

They really need to move so we aren't going the same places.  

ETA:  I had to go back to 2016.  Porto's apparently topped the Yelp 100 best restaurants that year.  

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9 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

I am just so interested in watching Jeremy play soccer and Jinger shopping for consumer goods--NOT!!!

At this point, it says more about those who choose to watch this tripe than it does the Vuolos.

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