The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[Zella]

28 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

I would be the worst fundie wife.  Let me tell you about the pool boy who tempted ME today, Jeremy. 

"He has better pocket squares than you, darling."

Jeremy would curl up in the fetal position and never recover.

On a more serious note, though, that is a seriously shitty thing to do to your wife. 😞  

[Sew Sumi]

2 minutes ago, Zella said:

"He has better pocket squares than you, darling."

Jeremy would curl up in the fetal position and never recover.

On a more serious note, though, that is a seriously shitty thing to do to your wife. 😞  

Well, for not having IG on his phone, he sure is quite the active fellow. When does Poor Jinger get to use her own phone with all the time JereME spends browsing pocket squares and shoes?

[Portia]

5 hours ago, Christina87 said:

Doesn't help that Jeremy confides in her whenever he is "tempted."

Are you saying he confesses directly to her of his eye wanders? Has he stated this overtly?

[kokapetl]

On 7/23/2019 at 6:15 AM, Saylii said:

Well first, those are women’s glasses 😂

They look at least unisex to me. Women’s frames these days are heading back into Sally Jessy Raphael size territory. Or serial killer wire frames. 

I usually hate Jeremy’s style choices (the tight preppy clothes, the tight suits) but the glasses are okay. 

[kokapetl]

On 7/24/2019 at 12:05 PM, Lunera said:

Jinger looks great. Wonder who styled her.

Next stop: backless?

[kokapetl]

On 7/25/2019 at 6:10 AM, Angeltoes said:

I would love to know what Jessa really thinks about Jinger's new life.  Is she jealous?  Stunned that Jing wasn't as dependent on her as she thought and really pissed that Jing ran like the wind and left her "bestie" in the dust?  Kicking herself for not snatching Jeremy up first?

On 7/25/2019 at 7:10 AM, GeeGolly said:

I'm guessing Jessa is very jealous, but she would fail miserably if put in Jinger's position. Jessa is a typical bully; secure and confident in very limited situations. Even in Laredo Jessa would have been like a fish out of water.

Jessa is right where she needs to be in order to feel superior, and in her mind, confident.

I think all the daughters got dealt different hands. Jessa’s was the first known J-slave courtship, and JimBob controlled the TLC money and the access to TLC at the time, so she played by his rules. A hottish guy was extremely persistent, this guy thought she was God, and daddy would ultimately pay her living expenses. He still will. These days she probably gets more money and it’s direct from TLC/Figure8. Jana is in a corner of the TTH drawing frogs. Jill married a very strange nerd. Joy’s husband has her living in construction sites. Jessa might be jealous of Jinger, but I don’t think she’s particularly suited to that lifestyle. She radiates insecurity at times.

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, Portia said:

Are you saying he confesses directly to her of his eye wanders? Has he stated this overtly?

Reportedly, he said it in the Roloff podcast. I listened to the beginning of the podcast but didn't make it to the end (not even close, actually), so I can't swear to that. 

(But give some guy in this sector an hour to ramble on about the things he does to prioritize his marriage and its purity in his busy modern life , and it would probably be no surprise if he said something like this....In the part I heard, it was definitely the Jeremy show.)

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[OpieTaylor]

3 hours ago, Portia said:

Are you saying he confesses directly to her of his eye wanders? Has he stated this overtly?

He did say it in the Roloff podcast; I listened to the whole episode. IMO he wasn't only talking about being tempted by other women, but also by "the world" - fame, selfishness, etc. In those cases, I think he's succumbing!

[Churchhoney]

30 minutes ago, OpieTaylor said:

He did say it in the Roloff podcast; I listened to the whole episode. IMO he wasn't only talking about being tempted by other women, but also by "the world" - fame, selfishness, etc. In those cases, I think he's succumbing!

Yeesh. Maybe someone should suggest he go back to the satanic Catholic church then. They have a confessional for that so your wife doesn't have to hear all the details. And they give you a penance, too.  I'll bet Jingle isn't allowed to recommend one of those. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Portia]

2 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

He did say it in the Roloff podcast; I listened to the whole episode. IMO he wasn't only talking about being tempted by other women, but also by "the world" - fame, selfishness, etc. In those cases, I think he's succumbing!

OMG, that is terrible! I can't imagine that I'd be able to keep outright adultery from my husband, but I think he'd just be just plain hurt if I made him privy to every carnal thought I have about another man from time to time. I know it would make me crazy if he told me that sort of thing. It'd be terrible for my self-esteem.

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Yeesh. Maybe someone should suggest he go back to the satanic Catholic church then. They have a confessional for that so your wife doesn't have to hear all the details. And they give you a penance, too.  I'll bet Jingle isn't allowed to recommend one of those. 

I'm not Catholic, so I believe I can go straight to Jesus when I need to confess a lustful thought.

Edited to add . . . the more I think about this, the angrier I get. I'm pretty sure Jer's theology matches mine on this point: that we can approach the throne of God directly with our day-to-day faith struggles. I can understand the need for an accountability partner or prayer partner when you're struggling with something with something huge (certainly in cases of addiction), but to make a big show of confessing to your spouse every time your eye strays? It seems like yet another manifestation of that peculiar, conspicuous puritanism that runs through their sect. It's the same motive that drives their women to choose an  immodest shirt + an undershirt over a modest shirt.  "Look at meee and how holy I am!"

Edited July 26, 2019 by Portia

[doodlebug]

9 hours ago, Spencer Hastings said:

I would be the worst fundie wife.  Let me tell you about the pool boy who tempted ME today, Jeremy. 

The thing is, I don't think fundie wives would confess if they found another man attractive.  In this crowd, they're raised on the Prince Charming myth and also raised to believe that sex is a duty for a wife, not something she would find pleasurable.  I think any fundie woman who told her husband she found another guy sexy would be sent to the prayer closet for good and shamed for daring to think such carnal thoughts.

[Christina87]

1 hour ago, Portia said:

OMG, that is terrible! I can't imagine that I'd be able to keep outright adultery from my husband, but I think he'd just be just plain hurt if I made him privy to every carnal thought I have about another man from time to time. I know it would make me crazy if he told me that sort of thing. It'd be terrible for my self-esteem.

I'm not Catholic, so I believe I can go straight to Jesus when I need to confess a lustful thought.

Edited to add . . . the more I think about this, the angrier I get. I'm pretty sure Jer's theology matches mine on this point: that we can approach the throne of God directly with our day-to-day faith struggles. I can understand the need for an accountability partner or prayer partner when you're struggling with something with something huge (certainly in cases of addiction), but to make a big show of confessing to your spouse every time your eye strays? It seems like yet another manifestation of that peculiar, conspicuous puritanism that runs through their sect. It's the same motive that drives their women to choose an  immodest shirt + an undershirt over a modest shirt.  "Look at meee and how holy I am!"

Well said!!! If he feels he needs an accountability partner, it needs to be someone other than his wife, preferably of the same sex (to prevent him having to "confess" thoughts about the accountability partner being hot). There are some things that are just inappropriate for a spouse to be, like a therapist. Accountability partner makes the list!

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, Portia said:

Edited to add . . . the more I think about this, the angrier I get. I'm pretty sure Jer's theology matches mine on this point: that we can approach the throne of God directly with our day-to-day faith struggles. I can understand the need for an accountability partner or prayer partner when you're struggling with something with something huge (certainly in cases of addiction), but to make a big show of confessing to your spouse every time your eye strays? It seems like yet another manifestation of that peculiar, conspicuous puritanism that runs through their sect. It's the same motive that drives their women to choose an  immodest shirt + an undershirt over a modest shirt.  "Look at meee and how holy I am!"

Exactly.

That's what I was trying to say with my "go be Catholic" comment.

It's ironic that, with his (apparent) theology, he works through a go-between.

The fact that he does -- and, even more, the fact that the go-between is his wife -- tells me that it's definitely not about penance (which his despised Catholic church would ask for). Nor is it about the direct-to-God conversation that Protestant theology prescribes.

And with both of those off the table, it seems to me it's mostly about ostentatiously talking about himself and the "purity" he supposedly aims at (while potentially making his wife feel like crap and feel threatened, as others have mentioned).

Plus, he doesn't just get to talk about this stuff to her.

He can also brag about the whole arrangement in public, arguing that it's a wonderful special method he uses for focusing on "purity" in his marriage. (whatever the heck that means -- but it's what he says....) 

As you say, just like the "don't buy a modest dress; buy an immodest one and sew napkins to it" thing. Calling as much attention as you can to yourself and your superior faith and morality.

Although I guess that shouldn't surprise anybody, given how much he likes plastering himself over all possible media. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[OpieTaylor]

I just went back to the Roloff's podcast (you should be able to find it here: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/behind-the-scenes-jeremy-audrey-roloff-ZF8iIe-thV6/ and then enter Vuolo in the search bar)

Here are some pretty much exact quotes on the subject of communication in their marriage, which is where JerME talks about confessing temptation:

Jinger: ..."Just keeping up: How are you doing? What are you struggling with? We just constantly ask each other those hard questions, just keeping up and pointing toward the ultimate goal, which is to walk in holiness and purity and in unity with one another in marriage – making sure there’s nothing between us and the Lord, nothing between us and each other."

Jeremy: "And that’s a huge point Jinger brings up… the issue of purity and communication. I very early on, from the moment we were married, I wanted Jinger to be in with me, on the battlefield for purity, and so it’s a difficult conversation at times to have, but to be able to say, hey, I’m getting hit with some temptation, I’m just struggling this morning with this or that. Can you pray for me? And it’s amazing to bring her in on that.

Jeremy continues a moment later ..."We naturally think, if I share with her that I’m struggling with this thought or that thought, that it’s going to hurt her. Well, actually the opposite is true, it actually builds her trust. Because she begins to think, oh if he’s struggling, he’s going to let me know, and I can fight with him."

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, OpieTaylor said:

I just went back to the Roloff's podcast (you should be able to find it here: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/behind-the-scenes-jeremy-audrey-roloff-ZF8iIe-thV6/ and then enter Vuolo in the search bar)

Here are some pretty much exact quotes on the subject of communication in their marriage, which is where JerME talks about confessing temptation:

Jinger: ..."Just keeping up: How are you doing? What are you struggling with? We just constantly ask each other those hard questions, just keeping up and pointing toward the ultimate goal, which is to walk in holiness and purity and in unity with one another in marriage – making sure there’s nothing between us and the Lord, nothing between us and each other."

Jeremy: "And that’s a huge point Jinger brings up… the issue of purity and communication. I very early on, from the moment we were married, I wanted Jinger to be in with me, on the battlefield for purity, and so it’s a difficult conversation at times to have, but to be able to say, hey, I’m getting hit with some temptation, I’m just struggling this morning with this or that. Can you pray for me? And it’s amazing to bring her in on that.

Jeremy continues a moment later ..."We naturally think, if I share with her that I’m struggling with this thought or that thought, that it’s going to hurt her. Well, actually the opposite is true, it actually builds her trust. Because she begins to think, oh if he’s struggling, he’s going to let me know, and I can fight with him."

Am very curious if Jeremy would be quite so gung-ho about it if Jinger was the one telling him, "Hey, I'm struggling with unrighteous desires about someone who isn't you. Wanna pray for me, pal?" Something tells me he wouldn't be enthusiastically gushing, "So happy she trusts me and we can fight it together!"

[OpieTaylor]

Here are JerME's quotes about not having social media on his phone:

"I have not had access to the internet on a cell phone for years, probably 5 or 6 years. The temptation of the Internet in your hand is unlike any generation that we’ve lived in before. And so as a man who’s seeking to never place before my eyes anything that is worthless (Psalm 101, verse 3), I want to have purity in my thoughts and my eyes and I personally don’t want to have the temptation in my palm, 24/7.

"And so for my Instagram, for my twitter, it’s on Jinger’s phone. So if I want to post a picture, I air-drop it to Jinger, then she might hand me her phone, or I go on there, but I don’t have that stuff on my phone; I don’t want it on my phone. It’s such a breath of fresh air."

JerME talks about his temptations and struggles, but there's no acknowledgement or discussion of Jinger's temptations/struggles (eye-roll).

[Zella]

1 minute ago, OpieTaylor said:

Here are JerME's quotes about not having social media on his phone:

"I have not had access to the internet on a cell phone for years, probably 5 or 6 years. The temptation of the Internet in your hand is unlike any generation that we’ve lived in before. And so as a man who’s seeking to never place before my eyes anything that is worthless (Psalm 101, verse 3), I want to have purity in my thoughts and my eyes and I personally don’t want to have the temptation in my palm, 24/7.

"And so for my Instagram, for my twitter, it’s on Jinger’s phone. So if I want to post a picture, I air-drop it to Jinger, then she might hand me her phone, or I go on there, but I don’t have that stuff on my phone; I don’t want it on my phone. It’s such a breath of fresh air."

JerME talks about his temptations and struggles, but there's no acknowledgement or discussion of Jinger's temptations/struggles (eye-roll).

It also means she has no privacy on her phone while I'm sure he does on his. 

I'm starting to get the impression Jeremy is the king of negging. "I love how you let me treat you like a doormat, babe!" 

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

The thing is, I don't think fundie wives would confess if they found another man attractive.  In this crowd, they're raised on the Prince Charming myth and also raised to believe that sex is a duty for a wife, not something she would find pleasurable.  I think any fundie woman who told her husband she found another guy sexy would be sent to the prayer closet for good and shamed for daring to think such carnal thoughts.

I do think they seem to actually be raised to think that marital sex is/should be enjoyable, but since women are apparently not visual creatures, they would never get turned on by seeing an attractive guy (semi-clad or otherwise). And given that they are never allowed to touch someone of the opposite sex until courting, there would obviously (ha!) be no way for them to ever get hot and bothered over any man until getting to know "the one" God has picked out for them.

I do wonder how that actually works in practice, though. In many ways my personal experience with guys followed a similar timeline to Jill's and Jessa's only because I was too shy to interact rather than there being any religious reason not to. But I don't recall any periods past the age of 12 or so when I was not desperately head-over-heels, pining at a distance over someone or another. And TV crushes probably dated back to when I was 6 or so... Even if I had been raised in as restrictive environment as the Duggars, I suspect I would have managed to fixate on one of the camera crew or something. As I recall, I wasn't always particularly picky as to who inhabited my daydreams.

[OpieTaylor]

I think it's probably BS that JerME doesn't have the internet on his phone - he said no social media.

But did he remove Safari or whatever the app is called to get onto websites? If not, he could go all over the internet and see/search for all kinds of things.

[TeeMo]

2 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

Here are JerME's quotes about not having social media on his phone:

"I have not had access to the internet on a cell phone for years, probably 5 or 6 years. The temptation of the Internet in your hand is unlike any generation that we’ve lived in before. And so as a man who’s seeking to never place before my eyes anything that is worthless (Psalm 101, verse 3), I want to have purity in my thoughts and my eyes and I personally don’t want to have the temptation in my palm, 24/7.

"And so for my Instagram, for my twitter, it’s on Jinger’s phone. So if I want to post a picture, I air-drop it to Jinger, then she might hand me her phone, or I go on there, but I don’t have that stuff on my phone; I don’t want it on my phone. It’s such a breath of fresh air."

JerME talks about his temptations and struggles, but there's no acknowledgement or discussion of Jinger's temptations/struggles (eye-roll).

This is just stupid. If the social media stuff is “worthless” then just don’t use it at all. And why is it okay for Jinger to have her phone full of possible temptation? Is the implication there that she could not possibly be tempted by any other man? Don’t try to have a holier thou attitude about your relationship with social media while you still use it to make sure we get to see your Brooks Brothers suits and your super important minister friends and mentors. Delete your own IG account if you find the whole thing so worthless and full of temptation. What a self important ass. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by TeeMo

[Churchhoney]

2 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

JerME talks about his temptations and struggles, but there's no acknowledgement or discussion of Jinger's temptations/struggles (eye-roll).

IOW, he's a complete person, with all the complexities and facets that entails. And she's a partial person, unburdened by many things that bedevil complicated beings like men. And her purpose is to help him cope by letting him offload a few tasks. 

Got it, Pastor JerME. 

You'll be so good at pastoral counseling of the women in your congregation, too. Especially if they're all robots. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Twopper]

I just read thru the last 3 pages, but I still don't understand what Jeremy is offering for $40 and what is his connections to the Roloffs.  I don't like the Roloffs, for what it's worth which isn't $40.

[MonicaM]

So Jeremy is just another poor, helpless guy who has to stay accountable so he doesn't stray?  He must be on the edge of "temptation" every minute of every day if he can't even trust himself with access to the internet on his phone.   😒🤷‍♀️

[Churchhoney]

16 minutes ago, Twopper said:

I just read thru the last 3 pages, but I still don't understand what Jeremy is offering for $40 and what is his connections to the Roloffs.  I don't like the Roloffs, for what it's worth which isn't $40.

On an app called Cameo, "celebrities" (of all ilks) offer to record and send you (or someone you choose) a message according to specs you provide, for a set price. People ask for a birthday message or advice or jokes or whatever. And the "celeb" can say yes or no to any request. Jinge started doing it a few weeks ago. Her fee is $75 per message, and they seem to be maybe 30 seconds long or so. 

A couple months ago Jer and Jingle were guests on a podcast produced by Jeremy and Audrey Roloff. It's called "Behind the Scenes." Don't know behind the scenes of what. They -- mostly Jer --  talked to the Roloffs for an hour or so about their techniques for having a super-Christian marriage and being parents while living their busy lives in this corrupt modern world, basically. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Natalie68]

16 hours ago, Christina87 said:

This is exactly how I see it! Doesn't help that Jeremy confides in her whenever he is "tempted."

When I read the thing about him turning over his social media to Jingle because of temptation, was he looking at porn or was it stop him from tweeting Dickhead that he is indeed a dickhead?  

[Natalie68]

5 hours ago, Portia said:

OMG, that is terrible! I can't imagine that I'd be able to keep outright adultery from my husband, but I think he'd just be just plain hurt if I made him privy to every carnal thought I have about another man from time to time. I know it would make me crazy if he told me that sort of thing. It'd be terrible for my self-esteem.

I'm not Catholic, so I believe I can go straight to Jesus when I need to confess a lustful thought.

Edited to add . . . the more I think about this, the angrier I get. I'm pretty sure Jer's theology matches mine on this point: that we can approach the throne of God directly with our day-to-day faith struggles. I can understand the need for an accountability partner or prayer partner when you're struggling with something with something huge (certainly in cases of addiction), but to make a big show of confessing to your spouse every time your eye strays? It seems like yet another manifestation of that peculiar, conspicuous puritanism that runs through their sect. It's the same motive that drives their women to choose an  immodest shirt + an undershirt over a modest shirt.  "Look at meee and how holy I am!"

I have been married so long I would be all you go dude!  I have told him about my crushes.  But in truth, we are still in love after almost 30 years so I can't fault him a little eye candy :).  

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

JerME talks about his temptations and struggles, but there's no acknowledgement or discussion of Jinger's temptations/struggles (eye-roll).

Wouldn't you just love for Jinger to flip the script? "Oh hey, baaaaabe. I saw Chris Hemsworth in the parking lot at Whole Foods and I'm really struggling with impure thoughts. I need you to pray for me. 'Kay, thanks...". Somehow I don't think JereMe's ego would take it too well.

On a serious note, I feel bad for Jinger. I've been with Mr. BitterApple forever, so it wouldn't phase me, but I'd be pretty devastated if I were a newlywed and my husband was coming to me on the regular complaining about temptation. I guess Jinger's naive enough to see this as a good thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy gets caught with his pants down at some point in the future.

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

Wouldn't you just love for Jinger to flip the script? "Oh hey, baaaaabe. I saw Chris Hemsworth in the parking lot at Whole Foods and I'm really struggling with impure thoughts. I need you to pray for me. 'Kay, thanks...". Somehow I don't think JereMe's ego would take it too well.

On a serious note, I feel bad for Jinger. I've been with Mr. BitterApple forever, so it wouldn't phase me, but I'd be pretty devastated if I were a newlywed and my husband was coming to me on the regular complaining about temptation. I guess Jinger's naive enough to see this as a good thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy gets caught with his pants down at some point in the future.

Yep.  That is the difference.  Me neither.

[lookeyloo]

42 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I have been married so long I would be all you go dude!  I have told him about my crushes.  But in truth, we are still in love after almost 30 years so I can't fault him a little eye candy :).  

Agree!  We think it is normal to look and admire - we both do it.  Sometimes we share, sometimes we don't, depending on circumstances.  But, I am sure of him and he is of me, and we are going on 37 years, so whatever we are doing, it is working. I expect if I told that to JerMe he would tsk tsk for us.

[GeeGolly]

Not defending Jeremy, but was there more context to the quotes? Temptation doesn't only mean sex, lust or cheating. A lot of things could be tempting. It could be hurtful for Jinger to hear Jeremy say his thinks about giving up God, or sometimes wishes to watch a game alone and get drunk, fantasizes about having a threesome, misses his bachelor days with his buddies, etc.

If he's confessing he is tempted to have sex or a relationship with someone else, then he's a complete asshole. But that may not be the case.

[Lunera]

I want to know what's tempting JerMe. In the podcast he also said he had lots of temptations as a young, single pastor and he felt marriage would fix that.

[Oldernowiser]

7 minutes ago, Lunera said:

I want to know what's tempting JerMe. In the podcast he also said he had lots of temptations as a young, single pastor and he felt marriage would fix that.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say he wasn’t talking about a second jelly doughnut or a late-night run to McD’s.

[Spencer Hastings]

9 minutes ago, Lunera said:

I want to know what's tempting JerMe. In the podcast he also said he had lots of temptations as a young, single pastor and he felt marriage would fix that.

He wants to have lots of sex all the time but he doesn’t want to go to Hell, so he had to find a wife. 

[Lunera]

Liked by RFP on Instagram 🙄😏

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Not defending Jeremy, but was there more context to the quotes? Temptation doesn't only mean sex, lust or cheating. A lot of things could be tempting. It could be hurtful for Jinger to hear Jeremy say his thinks about giving up God, or sometimes wishes to watch a game alone and get drunk, fantasizes about having a threesome, misses his bachelor days with his buddies, etc.

If he's confessing he is tempted to have sex or a relationship with someone else, then he's a complete asshole. But that may not be the case.

I think we may be partly extrapolating from what @Lunera just wrote.

I didn't hear these quotes that @OpieTaylor gave us.But I did hear the early statement that Lunera just pointed to. It was one of the first things Jer said on the podcast, so since I only heard about 10 to 15 minutes of the thing, it stuck in my mind.

He said that, prior to deciding to get married, he was facing a ton of temptation, specifically temptations that would be especially available for a young single pastor. And that his decision to get married definitely related to the fact that marriage would help quell those temptations. 

He didn't explicitly state that those temptations were chances to have sex with people to whom he was not yet married  -- but it seemed pretty obvious that they were, if they were temptations that came to him because he was a single preacher (women in the congregation getting crushes on him and throwing themselves at him maybe?...or, for all I know, gazing with lust in his heart at the spread legs of male-congregant eye candy....) and if marriage was going to fix them. 

Having heard that, and heard how heavily he stressed that as a prominent feature of his earlier life that he had to get married to fend off, when I read the later quotes, I just naturally hear temptations related to sex with partners who aren't his wife as a big part of it (although, as Opie Taylor mentioned, not necessarily  the only part .)

So for me, that early statement of his was the context of the later quotes that we've just read. 

FWIW, though, I also think that, given their views, something like a fantasy about a threesome would be considered the same level of "purity" disaster that any other sexual thing would be.

Jer, remember, preached a giant sermon to the Duggarling boys (and some other unfortunate teenagers) about how masturbation is a very major sin that everyone must avoid at all costs.....

It wasn't some little thing -- Even if you were a single 16-year-old, who hadn't yet ever courted or dated anyone, masturbation would be not only a sin against God but a major sin against your future wife that would in some way harm her (even if you hadn't met her yet!), he told them.

While they may not behave in accordance with this last, it's definitely the set of "principles" they preach. So if his temptations are sexual in any way, I think Jingle might be supposed to be equally hurt by them, not just by a fantasy or desire to be unfaithful. After all, Jer has preached that she's been significantly and badly sinned against, if he ever masturbated before he met her! 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Oldernowiser said:

I’m going to go out on a limb and say he wasn’t talking about a second jelly doughnut or a late-night run to McD’s.

And he obviously doesn't think that an overblown fixation on the things of this world is a sin, like, for example, $85 pocket squares or unearned fame and adulation. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[libgirl2]

49 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Wouldn't you just love for Jinger to flip the script? "Oh hey, baaaaabe. I saw Chris Hemsworth in the parking lot at Whole Foods and I'm really struggling with impure thoughts. I need you to pray for me. 'Kay, thanks...". Somehow I don't think JereMe's ego would take it too well.

On a serious note, I feel bad for Jinger. I've been with Mr. BitterApple forever, so it wouldn't phase me, but I'd be pretty devastated if I were a newlywed and my husband was coming to me on the regular complaining about temptation. I guess Jinger's naive enough to see this as a good thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy gets caught with his pants down at some point in the future.

My husband knows my deep fondness for Chris Hemsworth..... amongst others. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by libgirl2

[GeeGolly]

13 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

... FWIW, though, I also think that, given their views, something like a fantasy about a threesome would be considered the same level of "purity" disaster that any other sexual thing would be...

I don't want to stereotype all men, but I'm fairly certain many, many men have fantasized about a threesome one, twice or eleventy billion times.

Not sure how that works for Fundy men. 

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't want to stereotype all men, but I'm fairly certain many, many men have fantasized about a threesome one, twice or eleventy billion times.

Not sure how that works for Fundy men. 

Men are men. They do but they repress them. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't want to stereotype all men, but I'm fairly certain many, many men have fantasized about a threesome one, twice or eleventy billion times.

Not sure how that works for Fundy men. 

Totally agree. Including for Fundies. .... There's a reason the U.S. states with the highest population of conservative evangelicals (or Mormons) have repeatedly topped the "per capita porn usage" stats. 

I'm also fairly certain that, given what Jer's said he believes about masturbation, not only Jingle but virtually every married woman on the planet has been cheated on by her husband -- years before they even met! .....And a good majority of the married men have been similarly cheated on, I would surmise. 

I think we have enough evidence to put Jer in the same category I put JB in -- obsessed with sex, scared of sex, scared of the power of sex and super-guilty about sex....and therefore prone to make tons of ridiculous rules about sex that are laughable but sure do give them the excuse they need to think -- and talk --  about it. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Natalie68]

26 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

My husband knows my deep fondness for Chris Hemsworth..... amongst others. 

I have told mine a time or two that I think David Beckham is hot as long as he keeps his mouth shut.  HA!  He has THE WORST voice.

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Natalie68 said:

I have told mine a time or two that I think David Beckham is hot as long as he keeps his mouth shut.  HA!  He has THE WORST voice.

And my free pass is Henry Winkler, not the Fonz.  I know, it sounds weird.  He is a nice man with a great enthusiasm which I appreciate.  He is happily married as am I, so no tsk tsk, JerMe.

[Natalie68]

Just now, lookeyloo said:

And my free pass is Henry Winkler, not the Fonz.  I know, it sounds weird.  He is a nice man with a great enthusiasm which I appreciate.  He is happily married as am I, so no tsk tsk, JerMe.

It doesn't sound weird!  He IS a very nice man from everything I have heard.  My cousin saw him at a speaking engagement and paid for the meet and greet.  Had nothing but nice things to say about him.

[lookeyloo]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

It doesn't sound weird!  He IS a very nice man from everything I have heard.  My cousin saw him at a speaking engagement and paid for the meet and greet.  Had nothing but nice things to say about him.

Be still my heart!!!!!

[GeeGolly]

My free passes are Denzel Washington and Ed Harris.

I'm still waiting ...

My Husband's are Uma Thurman, Charlize Theron and Halle Berry.

He's still waiting too...

[Marigold]

My thoughts on Jeremy and asking Jinger to pray for his purity

1. Disgusting to expose your new & young wife to that. Must give Jinger anxiety.

2. This should be kept private

Poor Jinger, on her knees, asking God to keep her husband away from the hot babe. 

JereMe is a lemon too. Go sit with Derick.  

[Zella]

9 minutes ago, Marigold said:

My thoughts on Jeremy and asking Jinger to pray for his purity

1. Disgusting to expose your new & young wife to that. Must give Jinger anxiety.

2. This should be kept private

Poor Jinger, on her knees, asking God to keep her husband away from the hot babe. 

JereMe is a lemon too. Go sit with Derick.  

Yeah I think if Jinger had had a normal upbringing and more experience with men and she and Jeremy mutually teased each other about celebrity crushes or people they knew who were attractive, that would not be that weird.

But as you say, doing that one-sided to your newlywed wife, and especially someone from such a sheltered background who has been taught that even crushes are "giving away pieces of your heart," and making her somehow responsible for the fact that you feel tempted, it is a seriously shitty and selfish thing to do. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Zella

[OpieTaylor]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Not defending Jeremy, but was there more context to the quotes? Temptation doesn't only mean sex, lust or cheating. A lot of things could be tempting. It could be hurtful for Jinger to hear Jeremy say his thinks about giving up God, or sometimes wishes to watch a game alone and get drunk, fantasizes about having a threesome, misses his bachelor days with his buddies, etc.

If he's confessing he is tempted to have sex or a relationship with someone else, then he's a complete asshole. But that may not be the case.

The whole hour-plus podcast was about "writing your love story" (the Roloff's catch-phrase for some book they've published). The discussion was about marriage, incorporating God into it, keeping God at the center, keeping distractions - including children and jobs - from becoming more important than your marriage (again, with God at the center), etc. And this particular part of the discussion was on communicating and making sure that a couple makes time to share their hearts about anything that's burdening them (you know, all the Duggar et al. speak).

I agree, GeeGolly, that JerME is talking about all kinds of temptations, not just sex with another woman. He's talking about whatever they deem impure.  

[Spencer Hastings]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

And my free pass is Henry Winkler, not the Fonz.  I know, it sounds weird.  He is a nice man with a great enthusiasm which I appreciate.  He is happily married as am I, so no tsk tsk, JerMe.

My friend had a meet and greet with him.  When they went to take a picture she was lamenting about how red her face must be and he made sure to tell her that she was absolutely beautiful inside and out.  She’s  young enough to be his granddaughter but she said it was the most innocent and precious moment of her life. 

[doodlebug]

4 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

My friend had a meet and greet with him.  When they went to take a picture she was lamenting about how red her face must be and he made sure to tell her that she was absolutely beautiful inside and out.  She’s  young enough to be his granddaughter but she said it was the most innocent and precious moment of her life. 

I know someone who worked on a production with him.  Said Henry was thoughtful, polite, considerate of everyone; could not have been kinder.  Always pleasant, in a good mood, ready to work, no ego.  Said he was one of the best people he'd ever worked with and his attitude made everyone work that much harder to do their best for the show.