S08.E02: An Intimates Affair

[Umbelina]

Dang!  I lost my whole post.  First it doubled itself, then deleted itself.

 

Lucky I hit a copy paste, and saved most of it, but sorry the names aren't included in the quotes here.  Sorry if you already read it, but it's gone now

Bethenny's father was from Queens (John), Jules reminds her of her mother. Bethennys issues are so transparent. She needs a better therapist.

 

I don't think that's it.  Her father, from all accounts, was very well liked, and had a debonair air and friendliness that John absolutely does not have.  John's simply gross in every way, sweaty, rude, sloppy, even Dorinda is obviously embarrassed by him for the few moments a day she's sober.  Once she's drunk?  She either likes the 6 hour sex, the money, or to have someone to get blotto or stoned with (I think the cocaine thing could be true.)  She's embarrassed by his behavior too, as you can see in the restaurant scene before they get loaded.  Always SAYING how kind he is doesn't do a damn thing when we actually see how he is with her.

 

Agree that she probably needs a better therapist!  She's been pretty upfront about her feelings of her dad leaving when she was so young, and about her anorexic/bulimic mom who always needed a man around, in part, to pay the bills, and the rest.  She needs to get over more of this, it still shouldn't all feel so raw

    Wasn't Carole the one who always jokes around that she didn't even need a kitchen b/c she doesn't eat?  I kind of remember last season she was saying she was surviving on margaritas alone?  I feel like skinny is B & C's "thing" and they feel threatened by a younger, skinnier girl

 

Nah, she said she loved living in NY because restaurants and delivery was always available.  She said she didn't cook, not that she didn't eat.  We've seen her chow down in many scenes.

 

One funny thing I noticed - I happened across some old S5 episodes the other day, Aviva's swan song, and when that whole "asthma" storyline was going on, Carole said, repeatedly, "What she really has is Munchausen's!"  And she recited the definition on camera, talked about it openly, including to Aviva's face.  Yes, Aviva got mad.  Nope, other castmates - including Heather - didn't agree with Carole, even though most of them thought the asthma thing was weird.  But it was all direct and rational, as rational as an argument can be that ends with one cast member throwing her leg.  :)

    My point here, to build on what you said, and going to this week as well:  the NY women don't do fake drama.  They state what they think, right up front, no fears, they "own it", and then they disagree/fight about it. Case in point: the argument this week was clear, what they were fighting over made sense, we could easily pick a side, it was funny, and direct.  As opposed to RHBH where they're so terrified of their images and so controlling, the fights end up being about who said what offstage to control what happened ONSTAGE, and it literally makes no sense at all. Andy said in his book, I think, that this is a real problem with the RHOBH cast, because of their background in show biz, they are much more image conscious than any other series.  This season, I think that fear took over the show.

    Contrast that to RHONY, where they are much more fearless. I don't love that Bethenny owns the season and I HATED what she did to the show last season.  I used to love Bethenny, but I got over her when she got her spinoff; and by the time she had her talk show I didn't like her at all.  I am very unsure of this season, mostly because I wonder if t's all going to continue to be rigged on her behalf.  But compared to RHOBH, well, there is no comparison, at least so far.  Take note women:  this is how you do Housewives drama. Fear less, talk more.

 

Preach!

 

Bethenny and Ramona, annoying though they may be (and are!) really seem to keep something "real" happening most of the time.  Ramona either has no filter, or needs the job, or both, you never know what she'll blurt out.  Bethenny still has that gift of saying things the viewer might say, if they had her insider knowledge and didn't care about things like manners.  They are also both fast talkers, which somehow may cause the others to speak faster, without enough thought, and give away true feelings.

 

I absolutely adore the way they all fight their own battles for the most part, and don't need someone else to speak for them, or the childish mean girl crap that is so obviously forced and "acted" for the cameras on BH.

    Well, we're already two episodes in and Dorinda has already brought that one-upping thing up twice. She did at the restaurant, because Beth apparently DRESSED better than she did? As B said, "All I did was put on a white shirt". It seems to be something Dorinda brings up a lot, and is stemming from HER issues, not Bethenny's. So I can see why B might be getting sick of it.

 

Yup.  Dorinda is also becoming kind of interesting to me.  When she first came on last season, I somehow thought she would be a lot like her tag line, secure, kind of hip in that aging NY style, open minded, grieving but a really together woman.  Now, I think, we are seeing a woman with a few problems.  I think it is about the boozing, and that she (kind of like Kim R) can be nasty and mean when drunk, especially if she feels in any way vulnerable.  I also, from things said so far this year, think she THINKS she's life of the party, having FUN, when she's really simply sloppy drunk.

Then there is John.  Sweaty, grabby, seriously icky guy, I believe the whole bragging about going out, getting loaded with her, popping extra Viagra, and fucking her for 6 hours.  I mean seriously, if my boyfriend did that in a mixed group of people, it would be over.  Having to constantly slap his hands away, as Dorinda is always doing?  Just...no.  Nairing his back gives me reflux.

He kind of reminds me of Ken, that guy Kim Richards hooked up with.

 

    I thought Carol's comment about "5 good summers left" was another bad attempt to be funny.

 

Wow.  I took that so differently.  It seemed very heartfelt to me, and smart.  Hey, I'm getting older, I know he will need someone younger before too long, and I have to be realistic about that.  He wants kids, and I want him to have that.  I'm going to slow down, and my looks will change, it's really not that long until I'm nearing 60.  This is a young guy, I need to enjoy it while we can, but ...

I loved that moment.  So real, and so smart for her to think about that, instead of the "I'll always be young!  Just get me to the right plastic surgeon, and no one will ever know!" attitude we see on other shows.

 

Ditto Luann being honest and saying she wants to be married.  I thought that was very real as well, I think losing Jacques was probably a blow, and she doesn't want to always be on the prowl, wants someone there as she grows old.  Her face was either between botox treatments, or her smoking is finally taking it's toll.

 

The day I cook 1 1/2 eggs and tell my man to save me the "leftovers" will be a good day to look up into the sky and see flying pigs, donkeys, and probably a colorful dragon or two.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Umbelina

[FaithsMum]

I have just watched the first two episodes back to back and it was ten minutes before the end of the second that I realised Kristen and Heather are no longer on the show.

I'm not sure if this says more about me or them, lol.

[FanOfTheFans]

50 year olds need bras no matter what size, especially a c cup. I didn't wear a bra in college because I was size 30 AA. luckily I filled out a bit with my weight with my late 20's and wouldn't go without a bra. I'm not a girl anymore.

Yes thank you Lemons. I so agree with this and I am a small chested woman too. Wearing a bra for me is a necessity.

I have never had luck with the technique of going down a band size and up a cup size. If one poked me in the boob while wearing this size, you would leave a dent in the bra cup. Victoria's Secret is always trying to get me to do this because they never have my correct size.

I am side eyeing Carole that she is a c cup. Not buying that at all.

[katms]

Jules IS Paula Patton. Half Asian/half Jewish, ok if you say so, but...she looks (facially) and sounds just like Paula Patton to me. Like, circa About Last Night Paula Patton.

[njbchlover]

Ramona showed us her very plain bedroom while talking on the phone with Beth and laughing at herself in the mirror. I don't think her new boobs look good on her. Why didn't I know she was writing a book? So she got the apartment AND the Hampton house, damn! Also, Ramona turn on your damn AC.

 

 

Ramona got the apartment and the Hamptons house, but she also got all the bills that go along with maintaining those two places - that was the first thing I thought of when she didn't have the A/C on in the apartment.

 

The second thing I thought of was that for someone who did nothing but complain about no air conditioning on some of the "group" trips (remember her ordering a window unit for Heather's Berkshires house and complaining that the house in Turks and Caicos was too hot?) - it surprised me that her apartment wasn't as cold as a meat locker!!   

[Umbelina]

Weird, I thought Mario kept the apartment.  I have no idea where I heard that.

[JakeyJokes]

Bethenny, Carole and Dorinda all have their blogs up and they're all rather dishy and funny. Dorinda claims that Bethenny made a rude comment about Hannah in the Hamptons. Carole re-iterates that she saw Ramona plenty over the summer. Bethenny calls out Jules for age-shaming. They're all written at a level above the other HW blogs, which is another reason why I love RHONY so.

[biakbiak]

Ramona got the apartment and the Hamptons house, but she also got all the bills that go along with maintaining those two places - that was the first thing I thought of when she didn't have the A/C on in the apartment.

Also, it sounded like she bought him out, not that it was a sweet divorce deal.

[Umbelina]

Bethenny, Carole and Dorinda all have their blogs up and they're all rather dishy and funny. Dorinda claims that Bethenny made a rude comment about Hannah in the Hamptons. Carole re-iterates that she saw Ramona plenty over the summer. Bethenny calls out Jules for age-shaming. They're all written at a level above the other HW blogs, which is another reason why I love RHONY so.

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/blogs

 

Really!

 

They are all dishing dirt and pretty frank!  Well worth a read.  (Jules' is lame, but she's new.)

[cherry slushie]

I'm betting the 99% of the work that the housekeeper and nanny do include having morning sex with Michael...

 

And I'm sure Jules is perfectly okay with it. One less chore. :P

[WireWrap]

Bethenny, Carole and Dorinda all have their blogs up and they're all rather dishy and funny. Dorinda claims that Bethenny made a rude comment about Hannah in the Hamptons. Carole re-iterates that she saw Ramona plenty over the summer. Bethenny calls out Jules for age-shaming. They're all written at a level above the other HW blogs, which is another reason why I love RHONY so.

I had to laugh at Dorinda's blog. She is getting back what she did to Heather last season. She now has Bethenny coming for her! LOL

[breezy424]

Those one shot fancy hipster coffee makers are garbage. And I once told Joe DiMaggio he could stick his Mr. Coffee machine up his ass. But that's another story. You can't beat a Faberware. An old school Faberware.

 

The only thing is you have to get one made twenty years ago in the United States. Currently they are made in China and the heating element dies after a year. So if your Grandma wants to sell hers let me know.

 

I have three sizes of percolators. Only the original one that I had for twenty years is still perking along strong. Made in the USA baby.

 

Trust me. A percolator makes the best coffee ever.

 

Geez, I had a Farberware decades ago.  I probably gave it to Goodwill.  If I only knew you wanted it....  It did make excellent coffee. 

 

I still have the Bunn in the cabinet but....when your husband is up two hours before you during the week, the Dunkin Donut K cup tastes a lot better than the two hour old Dunkin in the Bunn.  I drink at most a half a cup of coffee anyway.  (Yep.  I'm a Dunkin person.  Hate Starbucks).

[hoodooznoodooz]

Carole and Ramona listing LuAnn pros and cons: Pro - LuAnn has a car in the city!

So that stabby, overhead thing that Enraged Dorinda always does with her finger; has anyone ever seen that before? I find it so odd.

Enjoyed Carole's initial takeaway from Ramona announcing that her friends were appalled, ". . . that he says that he takes Viagra?" "No! That he was doing her all night!"

[Umbelina]

Well, he didn't really say "doing" her, Ramona cleaned that up.  I'd be appalled too.  Now if she was THERE and laughing along with him, whatever guys do your thang, but behind her back?

[ScoobieDoobs]

I don't think that's it.  Her father, from all accounts, was very well liked, and had a debonair air and friendliness that John absolutely does not have.  John's simply gross in every way, sweaty, rude, sloppy, even Dorinda is obviously embarrassed by him for the few moments a day she's sober.  Once she's drunk?  She either likes the 6 hour sex, the money, or to have someone to get blotto or stoned with (I think the cocaine thing could be true.)  She's embarrassed by his behavior too, as you can see in the restaurant scene before they get loaded.  Always SAYING how kind he is doesn't do a damn thing when we actually see how he is with her.

 

Then there is John.  Sweaty, grabby, seriously icky guy, I believe the whole bragging about going out, getting loaded with her, popping extra Viagra, and fucking her for 6 hours.  I mean seriously, if my boyfriend did that in a mixed group of people, it would be over.  Having to constantly slap his hands away, as Dorinda is always doing?  Just...no.  Nairing his back gives me reflux.

He kind of reminds me of Ken, that guy Kim Richards hooked up with.

 

Sorry, I only I quoted your comments on John cuz that's what I am bothered by.  Actually, I'm not bothered necessarily by your comments on John, but by the manipulations going on by Bethenny (remember, she is producing this thing now -- with Satan Andy's hearty approval) to convince viewers to see him as merely a sleazy piece of shit & a lowlife.  Sorry again, but this is NOT TRUE!!!

 

Okay, Okay, he's not young & gorgeous & sleek.  Seriously, so the fuck what?  Um, who among us is that?  They (well, Bethenny) are catching stuff he's doing & it ain't coming off well.  BUT please keep in mind, Dorinda chooses to be with him of her own free will.  He may not be your choice for a partner, but she clearly wants to be with him.  He is looking like a grubby character, but I have to say, and it's important for me to say, cuz I know this as a fact, where probably most would NOT, this is very misleading!  John has a very good & clean rep as being an honest businessman -- and there are tons of people who like & respect him.  

 

Sheesh, the edit John is getting is just so freakin' misleading, it's really bugging the absolute piss outta me.  Before this season I might have put the blame on Satan Andy.  But no, now the blame for this nasty shit goes solely to evil wicked witch Bethenny.  OK, so why, Bethenny, why, are you so cruelly going after John to make him look as shitty as possible?  Why indeed?  We don't why.  But this sure looks like Bethenny's typical nasty/cruel shit we've seen before.  

 

Seriously, why would Bethenny be going after John?  The snobbishness about him being some slob from Queens is odd coming from Bethenny.  She's probably been looked down upon by the same snoots who look down upon those from Queens (or the other boroughs) because she has a very strong (and obvious) Long Island accent.  It's so weird for her to be cutting on him for the same thing people probably have looked down on her for.   Same thing with her comments on Jules & implying she has eating disorders.  You know, it's one thing for her to talk about her own insecurities & issues, but to insult others for possibly having these same insecurities/issues -- it's so fuckin' strange.  And yet, it's so Bethenny -- nasty/cruel/horrible.  Yup, that's who she is.  The question is (for me), can I take a season of watching Bethenny's nasty shit?  Idk, maybe. 

 

Getting back to John, Dorinda could do a lot worse.  As far as we know, he doesn't cheat on her (ahem, Mario & Josh the Dickhead).  Alright, we've seen him be grabby & flirty, but he does seem loyal to Dorinda & seems to treat her well & he's protective of her (which I think is nice).  Call me nuts, but I think his affectionate side is sweet.  Would I want that in public?  Well, no.  But there are worse attributes to have.  Sure he's crass, but so is she.  I think they seem well-matched.

 

As I said earlier, I've seen him in person & he's really not so bad to look at.  OK, he's not a boy-toy ready-made for Sonja.  Good grief, who the fuck would want that??  Maybe Satan Andy, but not me.  Idk, he looks (to me) like any of the husbands of just about every gal I know over 40.  He's average.  So is it such a horrible crime to be average-looking?  I guess in Moaner's & Bethenny's world -- it is.  Ugh, just ugh.

Edited April 16, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[Umbelina]

It's not about his looks, and my opinion of him has absolutely nothing to do with Bethenny.  I've watched the way he talks to Dorinda, and treats her on camera, his general behavior is just sleazy, where one would assume you'd be on your best behavior, especially during your second season.  If the dude looked like Johnny Depp, I'd probably do him, but he would never be "my boyfriend."

 

If anyone damaged him, it was Ramona, because I believe that she heard that, and it's beyond gross for a man to talk that way behind his girlfriend's back.  The other opinion that influences me is Dorinda's daughter who has spent more time with him and can't stand him.  Most of all, himself, and Dorinda's obviously futile attempts to control him and make him stop embarrassing her, that is until she gets drunk enough not to care, which I fear is often.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Umbelina

[bravofan27]

Some thoughts. Jules has obviously never made breakfast for her husband before. The have a coffee pot, they have coffee. Obviously the husband makes his own breakfast. My thoughts as of now, is that Jules wakes up and says good morning to her kids "so they are the first person they see in the morning" and then once she wakes them up, the nanny comes in and gets them ready for school or whatever. The little girl cried for her dad when he left the house, which seems to me she isn't used to being left with her mom in the morning. Not a big deal, many people have tried to show "a normal family" when they first start the show. Jules was way more successful at protraying the full time mommy image than Sonja was at the business woman image. They both failed, but Sonya ended up looking delusional, where with Jules it is just sort of "confusing" as per Bethanny via her blog. I am very jealous over how young and Jules her husband are, and how rich! Lucky ducks. Jules also reminds me of Marie Osmond. 

 

I don't really like John any less than others, but didn't Dorinda say first thing her first season that she loves John because she loves dry cleaning and she has all her clothes dry cleaned and John does this for her? I think John luckily met a dry cleaner groupie. She also insinuated, at least I got the idea, that John drycleanes extremely expensive clothes and he may let Dorinda wear/ borrow these items before the owner comes and gets them. They are both a little shady, but I am pretty sure this is what they do. Dorinda comes and visits him and goes through all the dry cleaning looking for stuff to borrow.

Edited April 16, 2016 by bravofan27

[ScoobieDoobs]

It's not about his looks, and my opinion of him has absolutely nothing to do with Bethenny.  I've watched the way he talks to Dorinda, and treats her on camera, his general behavior is just sleazy, where one would assume you'd be on your best behavior, especially during your second season.  If the dude looked like Johnny Depp, I'd probably do him, but he would never be "my boyfriend."

 

Well, we're very far apart on this issue.  I still think you're getting a very wrong impression of him from what you're seeing on the show, which is ABSOLUTELY being manufactured (and manipulated) by Bethenny.  She is responsible for EVERYTHING you are seeing on the show.  Bethenny wants you to think he's a sleazy piece of shit.  And John has certainly made it easy for her do just that.  Do I feel sorry for John?  No.  When you go on a reality show this is how it can go.  He's said these things we're seeing.  But I don't think for a second this is who he is.  Isn't it soooo convenient how Bethenny is the only one above getting crappy edit cuz she's controlling the show now -- and with Satan Andy's approval?

 

John is actually a decent guy.  And his business is awesome.  They fixed a beloved bag & coat I thought were ruined & beyond help, and they even paid for a shirt that came back slightly damaged.  As far as John's looks go, you said he was gross & sweaty & sloppy, so I assumed you are factoring in his looks in your judgement of him.  Not that I blame you, cuz It's easy to come up with this by what's being shown of him.  I'm just uncomfortable with being angry or cutting on someone for not being young & model gorgeous -- which I think Bethenny is totally doing.  Uck, she is horrible -- and yet I am still watching . . . 

Edited April 16, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[kitten59]

I have a very similar build to Jules...tall and super lanky, even bony. Even if I gain weight, my collarbones pop, my boobs remain tiny (as does my ass), and my arms are long and very skinny. I can't say for certain if she has an issue with food (I suspect that there MAY be something there because of her behavior). If she doesn't, then I can sympathize with having to deal with the constant speculation, looks of concern, and opinions from perfect strangers. It gets REALLY old. And yeah, coming from Beth and Carol, that was rich.

[Mrs peel]

omg, I never knew that a C cup changed sizes depending on the band size! How did I miss this all these years - send me back to a training bra!!

I'm right there with you back in training. I've been reading posts thinking "what the heck is a band size"?

Back to RH, I agree that one of the problems for Dorinda - and maybe why she lashes out so much (in addition to the alcohol) a is that she is herself uncomfortable with John. She defends him to others, but she isn't very nice to him. Heck, part of me wonders what he sees in her - others have said his business is very successful, Dorinda is not all that IMO.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Mrs peel

[coops]

The funny thing with Dorinda lashing out about John is that if she just said 'okay you might be right, I guess I'll think about it' it wouldn't be worthy of screentime. She plays into their hands by blowing up about it. Thats why what Beth and Ramona did was so bad, they are clearly trying to give their 'friend' the bad boyfriend storyline, a lot like when they tried to give Sonja the alcoholic storyline last season. This season Beth seems keen to lumber Dorinda with the alcahol storyline along with the bad boyfriend one.

[ezzy4]

This might be way out there...but I always get the impression Dorinda is defending herself much more than John. She's just someone who seems like she belongs more on RHNJ than NY. She's brassy, loud, drunk and orange. But she married someone with a little more "class" (for lack of a better word). And lived a "higher class" life. I think she likes to continue to portray that imagine, but the truth is she's a lot more like John. I wonder if the frustration and embarrassment she shows around John isn't really about conflicted feelings she has about herself?

Also, she's a boozer. Boozers love to keep the company of other boozers. If the people around you drink as much as you do, then you don't have a problem (by comparison). You'll keep strange company and form strange alliances to keep yourself in denial.

[bravofan27]

I've thrown this out before, but maybe Jules has orthorexia? She seems to be extremely worried about food and eating the wrong thing, as we have seen her twice now inspect food, but she inspects the food in a different way than an anorexic who would just try to get away from the food. In any case, her weight, along with Carol and maybe Bethany would meet the 85% of expected body weight condition for anorexia diagnosis. Of course, there are other criteria as well. They are all three extremely underweight. I was once on a diet that seems like what Carol does. I never kept any food at all at home. None. But I would eat out, and I would have dinner at friends, ect. I'm not nearly as social as Carol, so I nearly starved. 

Edited April 16, 2016 by bravofan27

[bravofan27]

John is actually a decent guy.  And his business is awesome.  They fixed a beloved bag & coat I thought were ruined & beyond help, and they even paid for a shirt that came back slightly damaged.  As far as John's looks go, you said he was gross & sweaty & sloppy, so I assumed you are factoring in his looks in your judgement of him.  Not that I blame you, cuz It's easy to come up with this by what's being shown of him.  I'm just uncomfortable with being angry or cutting on someone for not being young & model gorgeous -- which I think Bethenny is totally doing.  Uck, she is horrible -- and yet I am still watching . . .

 

Do we have another dry cleaner groupie  in our midst??? haha. Just LOL. Seriously though, this is the same logic I think Dorinda uses. She loves her clothes and John makes her clothes look great (and has designer stuff to "borrow") so John is the best guy. 

 

Riiiiiiiight. 

 

Sorry Scoobs! 

[ElDosEquis]

I've thrown this out before, but maybe Jules has orthorexia? She seems to be extremely worried about food and eating the wrong thing, as we have seen her twice now inspect food, but she inspects the food in a different way than an anorexic who would just try to get away from the food. In any case, her weight, along with Carol and maybe Bethany would meet the 85% of expected body weight condition for anorexia diagnosis. Of course, there are other criteria as well. They are all three extremely underweight. I was once on a diet that seems like what Carol does. I never kept any food at all at home. None. But I would eat out, and I would have dinner at friends, ect. I'm not nearly as social as Carol, so I nearly starved. 

I worked with a woman who wasn't skinny, she was FUCKING skinny - She was about 6 foot and I venture to say about 125 pounds?

 

If I saw her in passing I would have said she was anorexic, but at work she was always eating. You turned around and she had some kind of fruit or crackers in hand - but she never gained any weight. even when she got pregnant she snapped back her previous shape..there are some women who are naturally skinny. But with a HW? we never know what is going on.

[Trooper York]

I guess I am the wrong guy to talk about John because I am a fat sweaty ethnic guy from the outer boroughs who married way out of my league. So I identify with him.

 

I just think the snotty condescending attitude that Bethenney and Ramona and Carole have toward him is patently ridiculous. It is a class thing. They think because they moved to the city and have digs in the Hamptons that they are above somebody like John. They would rather be with some skinny pasty faced douche who is going to cheat on them instead of somebody that looks and acts like John.

 

To be frank I think he can do a lot better than Dorinda. I don't see what he sees in her. She doesn't seem to have a redeeming quality. He should find a nice Armenian girl and settle down and have a couple of kids. Isn't there a stray Kardashian cousin around. I mean he can be on their show to satisfy his fame whoredom and not have to be hooked to the steaming mess that is Dorinda.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Trooper York

[Almost 3000]

[small voice] I think he can do better than Dorinda too. [/sv]

[njbchlover]

Brown water?  Hmmm, have you just given Bethenny an idea for yet another icky SkinnyGirl product that will end up marked down 98% on the shelves of TJ's or Marshall's?

 

Would "Brown Water" be the more watered down version of "BLK" water that was one of the Manzo brothers' failed businesses?  

[intensebeige]

Also, she's a boozer. Boozers love to keep the company of other boozers. If the people around you drink as much as you do, then you don't have a problem (by comparison). You'll keep strange company and form strange alliances to keep yourself in denial.

 

Yuuuuuuup.

[HunterHunted]

Would "Brown Water" be the more watered down version of "BLK" water that was one of the Manzo brothers' failed businesses?

No joke. BLK is on the shelves at two grocery stores and a huge liquor store by me in Austin Texas. Recently at one of the stores, I saw it move down a shelf so that it's in a better position to sell. Someone is buying it, I just don't know who.

Of the all of the housewives products that I've seen with my own two eyes, BLK and LVP Sangria are the few that I've seen grow and sustain that growth. The Skinny Girl stuff was everywhere for awhile and then disappeared when people realized it tastes like shit.

[oakville]

Yikes, the conversation about John - too much!

I just watched the show now. I was stunned that Ramona mentioned the John being drunk & bragging about using Viagra  with Dorinda at an event with non housewives present. That's so rude.

 

Why does Bethanny have to have her skinny girl products in every scene that she appears?

[oakville]

All hail Queen Dorinda!!!

She read the two judgmental, single bitches - Bethenny and Ramona - DOWN. So much so they were shook by the end of this episode! I loved every minute of it. Bethenny never been so much for a loss for words since Omarosa read her on her talk show.

Give'em hell Dorinda, you ain't the one!

John isn't my favourite house Husband, but he shouldn't have been shamed like that by Ramona. I haven't seen Dorinda trash Jason's behaviour at a Housewive event. .

[bravofan27]

Does Bethany realize that if she were more likable her products would sell even better? It's like she's turning a profit, so that satisfies her in terms of "doing everything right." No Bethany! Your business would be BOOMING if you were nicer and more friendly. Frankly, a lot of people buy the skinnygirl stuff, because they are looking for chips and that screams "Healthy!" it's just a fad, a brand, and trend, it will go away. She's selling to the lowest common denominator. 

 

My cousin, back in 2013, bought the skinnygirl margarita stuff. It was SO GROSS. Tart as hell, no sugar. No wonder it makes you skinny--- you don't eat/drink it! OMG, my skinnygirl experience was so terrible. We were all sitting around with puckered faces going, "this shit is gross!" Maybe the food is better, but really, it's just women who want chips that see "SkinnyGirl" chips and the same thing as "Lays." They go with Skinnygirl because it makes them feel better. It's totally emotional. She's in Walmart and Sams Club. Big ass people are like, "Oh, there is a skinnygirl, I'll eat all of this and get skinny!" I remember working at a Yogurt Shop, and one of the options for an "add-in" was Slim-Fast, because at the time, the owner was on Slim-Fast. You would be shocked how many people thought if they ADDED slimfast to their yogurt shake it would have LESS calories. People are so dumb. There is absolutely no substance to Skinnygirl. It's such a horrible brand I can't stand it! Also, Bethany, though I love her competitive streak, don't get me wrong, to start selling cheap as hell shapewear in addition to everything???? Manic episodes, DAMN. 

 

I seriously think Bethany is a joke and riding on borrowed time. She does not really have anything. The skinnygirl stuff will be gone in 5 years. No one will license it. No one likes her. She's old now. AUHGS.

Edited April 17, 2016 by bravofan27

[Beden]

 

Why does Bethanny have to have her skinny girl products in every scene that she appears?

Because it's a clause in her contract? That's my guess.

[ElDosEquis]

I guess I am the wrong guy to talk about John because I am a fat sweaty ethnic guy from the outer boroughs who married way out of my league. So I identify with him.

 

I just think the snotty condescending attitude that Bethenney and Ramona and Carole have toward him is patently ridiculous. It is a class thing. They think because they moved to the city and have digs in the Hamptons that they are above somebody like John. They would rather be with some skinny pasty faced douche who is going to cheat on them instead of somebody that looks and acts like John.

 

To be frank I think he can do a lot better than Dorinda. I don't see what he sees in her. She doesn't seem to have a redeeming quality. He should find a nice Armenian girl and settle down and have a couple of kids. Isn't there a stray Kardashian cousin around. I mean he can be on their show to satisfy his fame whoredom and not have to be hooked to the steaming mess that is Dorinda.

 

As another man who married up, I agree with your comments.

 

I don't know where I heard it, but someone told me there is a 'lid for every pot'.

 

Some of the most awkward looking match-ups are the ones that fit the best. But, then there are the pairings that just accelerate a person's downfall.

 

When I hear the House Hens clucking about someone else?

I think about this little tidbit I picked up long ago?

 

When you have enough time to comment on what other people are doing with their lives, there is nothing happening in yours?

[oakville]

It's weird, I kind of like them all.  I'm so done with the fake BH stuff, that these guys, being upfront, and speaking their minds, and mixing it up so soon are just like having a wonderful dessert after a really bad meal. 

Agreed. I am tired of the fake cancer & fake lime disease storylines on OC & BH. I hope we don't get a fake eating disorder storyline on NY. Jules is trying to hard to be a hopeless housewife. I have friends that are Kosher & they don't make a scene when they see shrimp.

[HumblePi]

Jules IS Paula Patton. Half Asian/half Jewish, ok if you say so, but...she looks (facially) and sounds just like Paula Patton to me. Like, circa About Last Night Paula Patton.

Very close! Excellent observation.

[TheFinalRose]

When they were at the jewelry store and Dorinda said Ramona had never betrayed her in 20 years you could just see the wheels spinning in Bethenney's mind. I don't know if Bethenney told Ramona off camera that this comment by Dorinda gave her the idea, or whether she kept to herself and just baited Ramona enough for Ramona to "enrage" (tm Rinna) Dorinda. Either way Bethenney probably had decided that, this season, it was Dorinda's turn to feel the heat and they were going to go after her. Dorinda certainly delivers when she is spitting mad (and I have the feeling that she is really spraying when she is yelling).  

 

I actually think Carole looks really good this season. Her face seems to have settled into wherever the plastic surgeon was making it go.  I don't care about Jules' body weight, however she is absolutely a fail as a mother. They probably behave for the nannies and then act like holy terrors around her.  And I hate her apartment. I thought that Kristen's apartment last year made me claustrophobic; this apartment is worse. It seems as if it all interior with no access to windows and hence no sunlight.  I really wish Andy would give equal weight to a housewive's home when making a decision whether or not they get hired.  

 

Ramona's apartment looks better without the drapes but she needs something on those windows. Window treatments are expensive--good thing she also got some cash from Mario along with her properties (she makes it sound like Monopoly).

[HumblePi]

Bethenny, Carole and Dorinda all have their blogs up and they're all rather dishy and funny. Dorinda claims that Bethenny made a rude comment about Hannah in the Hamptons. Carole re-iterates that she saw Ramona plenty over the summer. Bethenny calls out Jules for age-shaming. They're all written at a level above the other HW blogs, which is another reason why I love RHONY so.

Being super-snarky here, I think that Hannah and a pair of eyebrow tweezers should be introduced to each other or maybe a lighter shade of brown instead of the stark black. It just doesn't go with her hair color. When I see her in any scene all I notice is eyebrows. I think that all the women are reaching the age where they can't disguise the fact that they're older. Panic sets in when approaching 60 because "omg! I remember my grandma being 60 and thought she was ancient!"  Let's face it, for all the women involved in the Real Housewives franchises, aging and looking your age is an enemy even more feared than Brandi Glanville.

Edited April 17, 2016 by HumblePi

[jaync]

He should find a nice Armenian girl and settle down and have a couple of kids.

Why Armenian? And, I assume he isn't interested in having his own children, since he chooses to spend his Viagra on someone who seems to be at least perimenopausal.

Dorinda and John obviously want to be together, so I don't get why either should/needs to be with someone else.

 

It's like she's turning a profit, so that satisfies her in terms of "doing everything right."

I wonder how much of a profit she's really making, given that she's back on this show to get a check and plug her shit at every turn. She whined about how she needs to spend every extra free moment with her child, yet given how she's all over this show, she obviously chose to spend a good amount of that time on filming.

[HumblePi]

Well, we're very far apart on this issue.  I still think you're getting a very wrong impression of him from what you're seeing on the show, which is ABSOLUTELY being manufactured (and manipulated) by Bethenny.  She is responsible for EVERYTHING you are seeing on the show.  Bethenny wants you to think he's a sleazy piece of shit.  And John has certainly made it easy for her do just that.  Do I feel sorry for John?  No.  When you go on a reality show this is how it can go.  He's said these things we're seeing.  But I don't think for a second this is who he is.  Isn't it soooo convenient how Bethenny is the only one above getting crappy edit cuz she's controlling the show now -- and with Satan Andy's approval?

 

John is actually a decent guy.  And his business is awesome.  They fixed a beloved bag & coat I thought were ruined & beyond help, and they even paid for a shirt that came back slightly damaged.  As far as John's looks go, you said he was gross & sweaty & sloppy, so I assumed you are factoring in his looks in your judgement of him.  Not that I blame you, cuz It's easy to come up with this by what's being shown of him.  I'm just uncomfortable with being angry or cutting on someone for not being young & model gorgeous -- which I think Bethenny is totally doing.  Uck, she is horrible -- and yet I am still watching . . . 

Putting aside his looks (again) and it's difficult to do because although John isn't exactly Brad Pitt, he's  not exactly Quasimodo either. The thing that makes me think 'yuck' is the fact that he seems to feel that he's a big playboy with the ladies and that he has the right to molest them physically in a public venue. I think he actually believes that the women like this behavior. But, he's treading on thin ice there and one day he'll maul the wrong woman and he'll find himself slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit.

[Umbelina]

John isn't my favourite house Husband, but he shouldn't have been shamed like that by Ramona. I haven't seen Dorinda trash Jason's behaviour at a Housewive event. .

I personally couldn't stand Jason, thought he was a passive agressive twit from the beginning, but has Dorinda even met him?  Has he slobbered all over her, been loud, made innuendos, insulted someone's job, couldn't hold his booze?  I never saw any of that in Jason.  That said, I could pretty much bet that drunk Dorina will happily go after anyone given the chance.  She's reminding me as much of Kim Richards and John is reminding me of Ken, Kim's boyfriend for a season.

 

Putting aside his looks (again) and it's difficult to do because although John isn't exactly Brad Pitt, he's  not exactly Quasimodo either. The thing that makes me think 'yuck' is the fact that he seems to feel that he's a big playboy with the ladies and that he has the right to molest them physically in a public venue. I think he actually believes that the women like this behavior. But, he's treading on thin ice there and one day he'll maul the wrong woman and he'll find himself slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit.

Yeah, and I pretty much overlooked most of that first season, we've seen how Bravo can manipulate people to look their worst (Simon) but this is his second season.  At this point, that's just who he is.  What is the appeal? Free drying cleaning and someone who loves to get drunk/high with?  Last season on the trip I think, we saw Dorinda get drunk (or hungover, can't remember) and mean, and I really hoped that was just her having a bad day or night.  Now, it's really looking like a problem (for her, not for us!) 

 

Mix it up and dance for us wives!  This group, so far, is delivering.

[NewDigs]

Why Armenian? And, I assume he isn't interested in having his own children, since he chooses to spend his Viagra on someone who seems to be at least perimenopausal.

Dorinda and John obviously want to be together, so I don't get why either should/needs to be with someone else.

 

I wonder how much of a profit she's really making, given that she's back on this show to get a check and plug her shit at every turn. She whined about how she needs to spend every extra free moment with her child, yet given how she's all over this show, she obviously chose to spend a good amount of that time on filming.

Took reply to the Betthhenny thread.

[ElDosEquis]

When they were at the jewelry store and Dorinda said Ramona had never betrayed her in 20 years you could just see the wheels spinning in Bethenney's mind.

BF has a very obvious 'tell' when she is absorbing something  for future use and judging a person/situation.

 

She squints and pulls her head back and does this thing with her mouth. like a wild animal sizing up their prey - as the wheels spin - she waits for her chance then pounces.

 

Watch for it. You can't miss it?

[hoodooznoodooz]

I was impressed by Jules's sensitivity and compassion -- she tries to comfort Dorinda after Ramona drops her marathon-sex bomb. But then in a few minutes, she looks at the camera, smiles, and might actually wink. Did anyone else see that?

[Trooper York]

John is Armenian. They are a clannish lot if you have ever met one. Here is an article about John and his family.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Trooper York

[WireWrap]

John is Armenian. They are a clannish lot if you have ever met one. Here is an article about John and his family.

Thanks, that was interesting. I take it that he never did marry/have kids and has settled on Dorinda. IMO, he went down, not up. LOL

[ghoulina]

I, honestly, don't think anyone outside of Ramona thinks Dorinda is too good for John (and I say Moaner, because she has basically said as much). I think the issue is DORINDA seems to think she's too good for John. She is pretty damn snotty herself. She told Carole and Ramona they shouldn't hang out with each other because of where they live. She acts like John annoys her 75% of the time. But then she tries to pain another picture to the girls. It's annoying.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I guess I am the wrong guy to talk about John because I am a fat sweaty ethnic guy from the outer boroughs who married way out of my league. So I identify with him.

 

I just think the snotty condescending attitude that Bethenney and Ramona and Carole have toward him is patently ridiculous. It is a class thing. They think because they moved to the city and have digs in the Hamptons that they are above somebody like John. They would rather be with some skinny pasty faced douche who is going to cheat on them instead of somebody that looks and acts like John.

 

To be frank I think he can do a lot better than Dorinda. I don't see what he sees in her. She doesn't seem to have a redeeming quality. He should find a nice Armenian girl and settle down and have a couple of kids. Isn't there a stray Kardashian cousin around. I mean he can be on their show to satisfy his fame whoredom and not have to be hooked to the steaming mess that is Dorinda.

 

Wow, you picked up on exactly what I was thinkin'.  John could get another woman -- way younger, better-looking, and certainly (believe it or not)  . . . er, less crass than Dorinda -- in about half a sec.  You know, it surprises me how many couples I see around here (Upper East Side) -- of fancy-looking broads with crass rich guys.  Hey, what about Jules & that greasy little meatball she's with -- just to name one.  And my parents to name another.  Yeah, my father & grandfather were crass outer borough guys with fancy-shmancy-looking wives.  

 

So I'm bristled by comments (from Moaner & Bethenny) writing him off in such an unkind/snooty way simply because he's crass & an outer boroughs guy & he's not young & model gorgeous.  This snobbery is especially nuts coming from BOTH of these 2, considering they themselves have likely been looked down upon for the same reasons.

 

And btw, not being young & model-gorgeous & being crass & from the outer boroughs should ONLY be the worst thing about John -- and millions of other guys, I might add, who Moaner & Bethenny are outrageously insulting with their shortsighted/ridiculous comments.  It's prejudice pure & simple and it's really very, very ugly.  But this is exactly who Bethenny & Moaner are.  So Moaner & Bethenny, I ask you-

 

Is John a rapist?  Is John a murderer?  Has he been convicted or accused of any crimes or has he been to jail?  Does he have children running around he doesn't support?  Does he bum money off of Dorinda?  Does he beat her?  Does he cheat on her?  Is he abusive to her?  No to all of these (as far as we know).  So Bethenny, you want us to vilify John simply because he's not young & not model-gorgeous & he's crass & not from Manhattan?  Well, to that, I say -- FUCK YOU, BETHENNY!

Edited April 17, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[HumblePi]

John is Armenian. They are a clannish lot if you have ever met one. Here is an article about John and his family.

So are the Kardashians.  Enough said?