S06.E12: Hearing Problems

[Satchels of gold]

Imagine my daughter's shock when mamma Nc dropped the bomb that statistically( and because I wasn't born yesterday )that she already had gay friends? Yea life really is that mundane...sorry.

Edited to try to fix whatever made this post 3 times in response to teeny on the previous page :)

Edited February 18, 2016 by nc socialworker

[Giselle]

I feel there is a difference between being compassionate towards Kim all of the time and absolving her of all responsibility for her actions, and letting go of an admittedly disturbing chain of events from nearly two years ago that would not have happened if Kim had sober--especially knowing the effects of addiction in such an intimate way, and in light of Lisa R's own assertion that prior to the limo ride she had known Kim to be "nothing but sweet." Lisa is catching heat because she is kicking someone who fell on their own sword rather epically and in public. Kathryn is right. Kim didn't want to look like a fucking lunatic in the limo. She didn't want to be humiliated stealing $600 worth of crap from the dollar bin at Target. She didn't want memes created of her literally jumping over a median to distance herself from the truth of her addiction. And she didn't want to be kicked out of a fancy restaurant and assault a police officer while hiding in a bathroom stall. Whether or not one believes addiction is a disease (it is), Kim is clearly acting counter to her own needs because something is deeply wrong with her at her core...and that something is more complicated than she's just a self-entitled bitch. Lisa doesn't have to like Kim, or forgive Kim, or believe that Kim is a good person deep down. But persisting in the continued shaming of Kim in front of her sister when Kim is presumably trying to get better (regardless of whether Lisa R feels she is taking her treatment seriously) is causing her to look ungracious. 

 

I'm really glad she was called out for it, and I like Kathryn for sticking her neck out.

 

I agree with you. Lisa did poke her nose publically into Kim's business quite a bit after the "ride from Hell" and she is sounding like a broken record.

 

There is an episode coming up with Lisa and Kim and we don't know what went down. We don't know yet if Kim has ever truly taken responsibility and apologized to Lisa without a "but" being involved. But I have to wonder if privately Kyle really ever sat down with Lisa R. and acknowledged what Kim did to Lisa and validated her feelings without saying "but you did this".  Lisa may be going on and on about it because Kyle has never validated what her sister did specifically to Lisa (I'm not minimizing what Lisa did to Kim or Kyle). If that has never happened I can see why Lisa feels that she has not been heard by the family and can't move forward. If it has happened then Lisa is doing it to shit stir. 

 

One thing I try to live by is "Let go or be dragged" although there have been a few times that when something is eating at me and if I haven't had the opportunity to vent, well, I grumble and I grumble until I've let it out, done something about it, or gotten just an acknowledgement/validation of  "I understand you feel that way" even if they feel differently. Then I can let it go and move on, never to bring it up again.

 

Has Lisa had that with Kyle? I wonder if Kyle will ever really have that type of closure with Kim.

Edited February 18, 2016 by Giselle

[Yours Truly]

I feel there is a difference between being compassionate towards Kim all of the time and absolving her of all responsibility for her actions, and letting go of an admittedly disturbing chain of events from nearly two years ago that would not have happened if Kim had sober--especially knowing the effects of addiction in such an intimate way, and in light of Lisa R's own assertion that prior to the limo ride she had known Kim to be "nothing but sweet." Lisa is catching heat because she is kicking someone who fell on their own sword rather epically and in public. Kathryn is right. Kim didn't want to look like a fucking lunatic in the limo. She didn't want to be humiliated stealing $600 worth of crap from the dollar bin at Target. She didn't want memes created of her literally jumping over a median to distance herself from the truth of her addiction. And she didn't want to be kicked out of a fancy restaurant and assault a police officer while hiding in a bathroom stall. Whether or not one believes addiction is a disease (it is), Kim is clearly acting counter to her own needs because something is deeply wrong with her at her core...and that something is more complicated than she's just a self-entitled bitch. Lisa doesn't have to like Kim, or forgive Kim, or believe that Kim is a good person deep down. But persisting in the continued shaming of Kim in front of her sister when Kim is presumably trying to get better (regardless of whether Lisa R feels she is taking her treatment seriously) is causing her to look ungracious. 

 

I'm really glad she was called out for it, and I like Kathryn for sticking her neck out.

Awesome post!!!!!! Especially the bolded!

I also like your point about the continued shaming. I don't understand how continuing to shame Kim at every and all opportunities is something justifiable. I mean what does it say about a person who just decides, yup, I'm gonna use my energy to randomly shame an addict today as if Kim isn't doing enough of that on her own. I really don't understand the perverse pleasure some have doing this.

Edited February 18, 2016 by Yours Truly

[kokapetl]

Imagine my daughter's shock when mamma Nc dropped the bomb that statistically( and because I wasn't born yesterday )that she already had gay friends? Yea life really is that mundane...sorry.

Edited to try to fix whatever made this post 3 times in response to teeny on the previous page :)

Odds are any gay 13/14 year old boy she meets isn't gonna be a professional makeup artist either.

[Satchels of gold]

Awesome post!!!!!! Especially the bolded!

I also like your point about the continued shaming. I don't understand how continuing to shame Kim at every and all opportunities is something justifiable. I mean what does it say about a person who just decides, yup, I'm gonna use my energy to randomly shame an addict today as if Kim isn't doing enough of that on her own. I really don't understand the perverse pleasure some have doing this.

When Kim was on the show I felt like FU Kim don't sit there and tell us you've been sober for 3 years, we are not fools. Much like we all feel about Yo. Now that she's off the show I don't feel she owes us anything. Leave her alone and let her do whatever she is doing in peace. I really wish she wasn't appearing at all this season because I feel like it has opened the door to discussions about her .

[TattleTeeny]

Odds are any gay 13/14 year old boy she meets isn't gonna be a professional makeup artist either.

 

The original poster never mentioned anything about an adolescent guy being a professional; she just alluded to the stereotype that gay males have a vested interest in makeup and "girly" pursuits. 

[Yours Truly]

I agree with you.

 

There is an episode coming up with Lisa and Kim and we don't know what went down. We don't know yet if Kim has ever truly taken responsibility and apologized to Lisa without a "but" being involved. But I have to wonder if privately Kyle really ever sat down with Lisa R. and acknowledged what Kim did to Lisa and validated her feelings without saying "but you did this".  Lisa may be going on and on about it because Kyle has never validated what her sister did specifically to Lisa. If that has never happened I can see why Lisa feels that she has not been heard by the family and can't move forward. If it has happened then Lisa is doing it to shit stir. 

 

There have been a few times that when something is eating at me and if I haven't had the opportunity to vent I grumble and I grumble until I've let it out, done something about it, or gotten just an acknowledgement validation of  "I understand you feel that way". Then I can let it go and move on, never to bring it up again.

 

Has Lisa had that with Kyle? I wonder if Kyle will ever really have that type of  closure with Kim.

But is it honestly all that necessary? I mean really? Even if Lisa didn't receive that validation was it really that life altering that you have to continuously have to have a go at such a truly disturbed person? It just seems so disproportionate to the huge demons going on in the Richards sisters strife. I mean, I'm not one to dismiss someone else's right to feel a certain way but come on already. Let it go. Her chasing after it is just seems so contrived to me.  I just CAN NOT believe that it had that much of an epic affect on Rinna's life that she desperately NEEDS closure. Add the fact that Rinna's mostly likely hyping it up for the show and it just makes it pretty impossible for me to justify how she's handled it and that it's even still a thing. Can't do it.

[Satchels of gold]

But is it honestly all that necessary? I mean really? Even if Lisa didn't receive that validation was it really that life altering that you have to continuously have to have a go at such a truly disturbed person? It just seems so disproportionate to the huge demons going on in the Richards sisters strife. I mean, I'm not one to dismiss someone else's right to feel a certain way but come on already. Let it go. Her chasing after it is just seems so contrived to me. I just CAN NOT believe that it had that much of an epic affect on Rinna's life that she desperately NEEDS closure. Add the fact that Rinna's mostly likely hyping it up for the show and it just makes it pretty impossible for me to justify how she's handled it and that it's even still a thing. Can't do it.

I love me some shit stirring Rinna but her husband was active in his addiction for years, I'm going to assume being married to an addict is much more traumatizing then what happened last year with a coworker. C'mon it's a lot easier to talk about a long dead sister then it is to talk about your husband. (I'm now going to duck because somewhere Lisa Rinna is screaming " don't you ever talk about my husband!") Its not fun to hear/ talk negative things about people you love.

Edited February 18, 2016 by nc socialworker

[Giselle]

But is it honestly all that necessary? I mean really? Even if Lisa didn't receive that validation was it really that life altering that you have to continuously have to have a go at such a truly disturbed person? It just seems so disproportionate to the huge demons going on in the Richards sisters strife. I mean, I'm not one to dismiss someone else's right to feel a certain way but come on already. Let it go. Her chasing after it is just seems so contrived to me.  I just CAN NOT believe that it had that much of an epic affect on Rinna's life that she desperately NEEDS closure. Add the fact that Rinna's mostly likely hyping it up for the show and it just makes it pretty impossible for me to justify how she's handled it and that it's even still a thing. Can't do it.

 

Oh I agree, especially with your last statement of hyping it for the show. If this was so important to Lisa R she could have chased this off camera, off season if she wanted to and she might have gotten a better reception from Kyle and Kim. She also would be seen in a better light.

[Trooper York]

I don't understand why everyone is picking on Erica. She just likes to serve up a lot of sausage at her barbecue.

[MatildaMoody]

But is it honestly all that necessary? I mean really? Even if Lisa didn't receive that validation was it really that life altering that you have to continuously have to have a go at such a truly disturbed person? It just seems so disproportionate to the huge demons going on in the Richards sisters strife. I mean, I'm not one to dismiss someone else's right to feel a certain way but come on already. Let it go. Her chasing after it is just seems so contrived to me.  I just CAN NOT believe that it had that much of an epic affect on Rinna's life that she desperately NEEDS closure. Add the fact that Rinna's mostly likely hyping it up for the show and it just makes it pretty impossible for me to justify how she's handled it and that it's even still a thing. Can't do it.

 

I totally get what you are saying here. But I think we are also being very dismissive of the fact that Lisa Rinna was trapped in that limo with Kim for 2hours, and she can only really discuss what the audience saw of that 2 hour interaction. I think that would stick with anyone for a very long time especially if they are obligated to only discuss the 4 minutes of that 2 hour ride that the audience was shown. It is easy for us to say get over it, so she went crazy in a limo. But, since we have no idea what the worst moment of that 2 hours was we can't really say if this is something that she should just get over because it's so insignificant that it doesn't require closure for her to move forward. 

 

I mean I get it that it doesn't make Rinna look good to keep discussing what happened - I honestly don't see her as "going after Kim" or "shaming Kim" I see her has rehashing something that happened last year because Kyle refuses to address it openly - which is Kyle's prerogative. I do think that if she needs to get closure for any or all of the things that went down between her and Kim, she should do it off camera, but I doubt that Kim would ever go for that either. 

 

I guess I just see both sides. 

[Satchels of gold]

I think when Lisa describes her trauma of the limo ride it's short hand for all the shitstorm of the whole last season including the outing of her crazy, I will fuck you up, texts.

[motorcitymom65]

Kyle is, of course, free to continue to be a fame whore on this show with the rest of the cast in spite of whatever is going on with her sister. But she cannot then take the subject of her sister, a former cast member who has had her own relationships and interactions with most of the other cast, off the the table. She used Kim as her storyline for the past several years and aired her family's dirty laundry for a paycheck in front of God, America and Lisa Rinna (whatever Kim's addiction has cost Kyle, it also made Kyle famous).  Now that Kyle that wants to build that relationship back up (after cashing a check based on tearing down for 5 years) the other cast members are bad people for discussing it? For discussing their own interactions with Kim? Nope.

When has Kyle ever said that people cannot talk about Kim? That people cannot have their own reactions to the things that Kim did to them? I don't think she ever has. What she has asked is for people to stop hammering away at her sister when she is around. She has made it more than clear that it makes her uncomfortable, that it makes her feel defensive, even while she knows what they are saying is true. I am mystified at why this would be shocking to anyone. Is there anyone who can say they don't have people in their lives that require certain topics to be avoided at all costs? Because the topics are too painful, or bring up too much emotion? As I have said a million times, it would be one thing if the people doing the hammering were not Kyle's friends. Since they are, it is very confusing as to why they wouldn't just do as she asks. They can talk about Kim all they want when Kyle is not around. Lisar in particular needs to stop acting like the deal with Kim was the most traumatic thing in her life. Bitch please. The Poker Night incident didn't even happen until the 10th episode last year, which was almost halfway into the season. Before that, they were good. Kim was a bitch, unhinged, and all kinds of wrong and I was entirely on Lisar's side in that thing. Now she needs to just let it go and stop pretending that any of this had any long-term impact on her life.

[sasha206]

If they were actual guest it would be fine with me. You know, like dressed in resort wear introducing their life parenters/ spouses to other guest. To me they were the entertainment...look at all the gays in their speedos....wow am I edgy ?

I'm really not trying to be a justice warrior here but it does really have an effect on how people view gays. My mother was very active in community theatre ( behind the scenes) and I grew up surrounded by gays and it just seemed so normal, and it was. Fast foward 30 years and my daughter got accepted to an art academy for hs and she is giddy with excitement because she can't wait to have a gay boy as best friend so he can help her with makeup and be sassy. Yikes! Something has gone horrible wrong here. Sorry for the rant.

 

I am so with you on that.  It will be nice when gays, lesbians are just treated as a people, not like the cute little accessory with the funny kinks.  

[charmed1]

I don't understand why everyone is picking on Erica. She just likes to serve up a lot of sausage at her barbecue.

It was raw and unappetizing.

[Giselle]

Well it has stopped raining so I'm off to read a bit more of RonnieK then get busy for the day. Thanks again Zoeysmom!

 

http://www.trashtalktv.com/category/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-3/

[Yours Truly]

I totally get what you are saying here. But I think we are also being very dismissive of the fact that Lisa Rinna was trapped in that limo with Kim for 2hours, and she can only really discuss what the audience saw of that 2 hour interaction. I think that would stick with anyone for a very long time especially if they are obligated to only discuss the 4 minutes of that 2 hour ride that the audience was shown. It is easy for us to say get over it, so she went crazy in a limo. But, since we have no idea what the worst moment of that 2 hours was we can't really say if this is something that she should just get over because it's so insignificant that it doesn't require closure for her to move forward. 

 

I mean I get it that it doesn't make Rinna look good to keep discussing what happened - I honestly don't see her as "going after Kim" or "shaming Kim" I see her has rehashing something that happened last year because Kyle refuses to address it openly - which is Kyle's prerogative. I do think that if she needs to get closure for any or all of the things that went down between her and Kim, she should do it off camera, but I doubt that Kim would ever go for that either. 

 

I guess I just see both sides. 

Yeah, I can say get over it cause it's just ridiculous. I'm one to see all sides as well and even IF Rinna is legit in her "trauma" there's nothing left to chase. Like really? We've got an addict with practically one foot in the grave and Lisa's 2 hour "ride from hell <eyeroll>  takes precedence and justifies the levels she's reached in chasing after an addict for an apology and acknowledgement? Add that she's being pretty douchey in her attempts to get all this closure as well as trying to get it ON CAMERA... Nah, it ain't genuine man. It just ain't genuine so I feel completely justified with my whole "just drop it" position in this instance where normally I'm all about validating someone elses experience and feelings. Lisa Rinna though...? Nope. Her tatics and her ways give me slappy hand syndrome.  

[TattleTeeny]

I am so with you on that.  It will be nice when gays, lesbians are just treated as a people, not like the cute little accessory with the funny kinks.  

It would be nice, particularly in fictional media. But it would also be nice to acknowledge that gay men are autonomous adults who are free to decide for themselves on whatever personality and behavior they'd like to display, on TV or off.

[kokapetl]

I think what we've seen of the limo ride was the most interesting and eventful parts. The worst behavior makes the best footage in the mind of the producers.

[Feline Queen]

Why would you assume that because you thought she made a mistake because you didn't know about Calacatta marble that she wouldn't know what stone was laid in her house. I don't like Kathryn but her joke about the Wailing Wall was clearly a joke and a comment not only the stone being from Isreal but how they laid it. Seems to me she knows what is happening in her home.

Because when her husband clearly thought she was making up the name (although points for knowing Calcutta is an actual place) she didn't explain anything. If that had been me, and my husband tried to embarrass me like that, I would've educated him about Calacatta marble - and probably even said that Cararra is the more commonly known marble.

 

I get that Kathyrn was merely joking about the stone and a lot of people do use material salvaged from old buildings.

[TattleTeeny]

I am not sure what was happening in that limo but I kind of agree with the use of the word "scary" for it. There was nowhere to go to escape that erratic behavior of Kim's!

[zoeysmom]

I think when Lisa describes her trauma of the limo ride it's short hand for all the shitstorm of the whole last season including the outing of her crazy, I will fuck you up, texts.

The ride in the limo, the kicking in the limo, the Poker Game, the script reading where Kim was given the opportunity to apologize and offered some help, the private plane ride, which Kim brought on herself by giving Lisa the cold shoulder, the dinner table and I think the hardest thing was the Harry Hamlin stuff.  Kim phrased it in such a way it was left wide open to interpretation. Harry was just re-energizing his career and Kim truly did make it sound as if Harry had some dirty secret.  I didn't help that Brandi jumped in the middle of things bringing up Kim's issues to Lisar.  I get they were under contract but the one on one-which was more of -need to save Kim's job talk, was just a poor idea.

 

I wish Lisar would eliminate the word addict from her vocabulary.  Just say Kim is an alcoholic.  Or she is a poly drug user? She is so dramatic about it.  Addict.  She is an addict.  Kathryn saying don't label people then calling her dad an addict.  Can't write this kind of dialogue.   I have no idea what HH abstained from for three years -as he was photographed drinking in the opening dinner scene-at Lisar's dinner party.   If Kim wants to expand the list of substances she abuses-let her.  We all know she is an accomplished drunk.  Lisar called her sister an addict-she was 21 years old and died from a combination of alcohol and seconal-was it intentional or accidental?  Since Lisa was five at the time she probably doesn't have a truly real picture of what was going on.  Dead. Alcohol. Seconal. = Addict.  Not always Lisar.  It is also annoying as hell how she keeps repeating the buzzword.

 

Lisar was pretty tacky on Twitter after the Reunions until Kim got arrested then she backed down.  Kim earned it-she is pretty much a horrible human being who just happens to abuse alcohol and prescription drugs.   I thought Kyle did the right thing by excusing herself.  She does not have the right to demand people not talk about Kim.  You put it out there publicly it is fair game. 

 

Lisar and Kim need to have a talk.  And please, please let's not let Kim commandeer the whole thing with, "I was sick, Monty was dying, I had been sober for three years,"  Can't abide by it.

[TattleTeeny]

the kicking in the limo

 

Wait! There was kicking? Oh my goodness!

[zoeysmom]

Wait! There was kicking? Oh my goodness!

It was a very rough ride. :)  I think Kim acted up at the Hamlins' house before she ever got in the limo. 

[yourmomiseasy]

Here is the interview:  http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/esmagazine/bella-hadid-i-still-feel-awkward-taking-a-selfie-sometimes-it-feels-a-little-weird-a3123476.html

 

Put on your hips boots the BS is pretty deep.  First off she claims she has to sleep 12 hours a day and she is still exhausted.

 

Maybe I have LD and didn't know it.  I just thought I was lazy.  Yo truly is the face of LD and bringing info to the people.  

[VioletMarx]

When has Kyle ever said that people cannot talk about Kim? That people cannot have their own reactions to the things that Kim did to them? I don't think she ever has. What she has asked is for people to stop hammering away at her sister when she is around. She has made it more than clear that it makes her uncomfortable, that it makes her feel defensive, even while she knows what they are saying is true. I am mystified at why this would be shocking to anyone. Is there anyone who can say they don't have people in their lives that require certain topics to be avoided at all costs? Because the topics are too painful, or bring up too much emotion? As I have said a million times, it would be one thing if the people doing the hammering were not Kyle's friends. Since they are, it is very confusing as to why they wouldn't just do as she asks.

 

Because they are on a TV show and they are not her real friends. They are co workers who pretend to be friends. And Kyle's bread and butter on this show has always been her sister's illness. What the hell else are they supposed to talk to her about now? Her dogs? That'll be an interesting episode.

Edited February 18, 2016 by VioletMarx

[rho]

Phil Hartman's voiceover: If you like beer and you're gay, try Gay Beer.

Shut up Erika Jayne. "We call that reading." No "we" don't.

Well it wouldn't be a party without Yolanda's sweater and paint brush ponytail.

Ken was grossing me out when he was picking his teeth in the restaurant. Yuck!

Mr. Girardi likening Lisa too an Alligator Woman made me think of Cameo's album of the same name. And the model on the front was the recently departed, beautiful Denise Matthews a.k.a. Vanity.

 

I'm so glad you brought that up! Who is the "we" in this scenario. Is Erika Girardi/Jayne a drag queen now? Also, has no one pointed out that Erika's bbq mumu is more hideous than anything Kyle has ever worn on this show before?

[zoeysmom]

When has Kyle ever said that people cannot talk about Kim? That people cannot have their own reactions to the things that Kim did to them? I don't think she ever has. What she has asked is for people to stop hammering away at her sister when she is around. She has made it more than clear that it makes her uncomfortable, that it makes her feel defensive, even while she knows what they are saying is true. I am mystified at why this would be shocking to anyone. Is there anyone who can say they don't have people in their lives that require certain topics to be avoided at all costs? Because the topics are too painful, or bring up too much emotion? As I have said a million times, it would be one thing if the people doing the hammering were not Kyle's friends. Since they are, it is very confusing as to why they wouldn't just do as she asks. They can talk about Kim all they want when Kyle is not around. Lisar in particular needs to stop acting like the deal with Kim was the most traumatic thing in her life. Bitch please. The Poker Night incident didn't even happen until the 10th episode last year, which was almost halfway into the season. Before that, they were good. Kim was a bitch, unhinged, and all kinds of wrong and I was entirely on Lisar's side in that thing. Now she needs to just let it go and stop pretending that any of this had any long-term impact on her life.

All anyone has to watch is Kim going off on Kyle in Amsterdam for being late.  Talk about dropping a turd in the punchbowl.  After years of LVP and Kyle having to wait on Kim, there is Kim starting a sister fight right off the bat.  '

 

I still believe Lisar is not going to let go of the Harry accusations.  Although she and harry handled it with a sense of humor, I think it really hurt and caused a lot of old unsubstantiated rumors to resurface.  This time when their daughters are old enough to digest them.

 

Mostly I think Lisar exaggerates way too much.  Her reaction to seeing Katherine-and not having changed a bit.  Well she has and she is a nice looking woman.  Same with all the crap about Yolanda showing up for an audition-what was Yolanda ever in?  So I have to take Lisar interpretations with a grain of salt.   

[Feline Queen]

I'm so glad you brought that up! Who is the "we" in this scenario. Is Erika Girardi/Jayne a drag queen now? Also, has no one pointed out that Erika's bbq mumu is more hideous than anything Kyle has ever worn on this show before?

But it's Roberto cavalli. *wink wink*

 

I have a couple of label conscious friends who love some truly ugly pieces of clothing simply because of the designer's name on the tag. As Countess Luann told Alex McCord, “Even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes.”

Edited February 18, 2016 by Feline Goddess

[sistermagpie]

But it's Roberto cavalli. *wink wink*

I have a couple of label conscious friends who love some truly ugly pieces of clothing simply because of the designer label. As Countess Luann told Alex McCord, “Even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes.”

 

 

Flashback to Absolutely Fabulous when Edina needs something to go with her outfit:

 

Saffi: Maybe I can get someone to throw up on something for you. (Looks in horror at thing Eddie puts on) Oh, I see somebody already has.

 

Edina: Yes - Jane Muir!

[tenativelyyours]

Because they are on a TV show and they are not her real friends. They are co workers who pretend to be friends. And Kyle's bread and butter on this show has always been her sister's illness. What the hell else are they supposed to talk to her about now? Her dogs? That'll be an interesting episode.

 

I'm pretty sure that they are all supposed to be talking about Lemon with Lyme and the Lymettes.  And of course Monkey Hotcakes.  March Housing.  Master-Donut  Hanky Panky.   Maximus Hufflepuff.  Mockensee Hootch.  Mouse Hatchery.  Whatever it is.

[MatildaMoody]

Because they are on a TV show and they are not her real friends. They are co workers who pretend to be friends. And Kyle's bread and butter on this show has always been her sister's illness. What the hell else are they supposed to talk to her about now? Her dogs? That'll be an interesting episode.

 

I disagree with this. That first season, Kyle was on her way to becoming one of the favorites of the franchise. Her fight with Camille almost guaranteed her that while Camille was being billed as a true Housewives Villain. That moment when Kyle outed her sister in the limo, has been the bane of her existence on this show, IMO, because once that happened, the show never let Kim's illness recede back into the background. We saw Kyle's life prior to that with little interaction with Kim. Remember Kim wasn't showing up to filming events. She wasn't wanting to interact with the other women at all for the most part. So, we saw Kyle interacting with her life and her friends. That was the initial premise. That all went to hell the second she outed Kim and now it doesn't matter what Kyle has going on in her own life, her story line will always be eclipsed by Kim's illness. And when I re-watch that first season, prior to the outing in the limo, I simply don't think Kyle EVER wanted Kim to be her major story line. I think BRAVO saw that it was a constant source of pain and needed the drama, so they kept poking at it. 

 

I have never been a fan of Kyle, but I have never thought that she was using Kim's illness to stay relevant. I think if anything she has wanted nothing more than for everyone to pretend that Kim is just fine and doesn't need to be discussed at all. 

[sistermagpie]

I have never been a fan of Kyle, but I have never thought that she was using Kim's illness to stay relevant. I think if anything she has wanted nothing more than for everyone to pretend that Kim is just fine and doesn't need to be discussed at all.

 

 

One of the things about this story is it really does seem like the family has really dysfunctional ways they've learned to deal with this for years. That's why I don't ever really buy when people claim that Kyle should have not wanted Kim on the show or set her up to fail or whatever--I think it's business as usual in that family to act as if Kim is fine and they just don't talk about her little slip ups. Of course Kyle has moments where she totally does want everyone to see what Kim's really about--I think there is sometimes genuine, deep hostility in how she deals with her and a satisfaction she gets out of being the one who isn't a mess. But I think the guilt and prime directive of "act like Kim's fine" or whatever is equally strong. I can totally believe that conversations about Kim fill her with anxiety about what the fallout is going to be and how a "good sister" would act.

 

But yeah, she also has just as much going on in her life as anybody else without Kim--the Kim stuff is a bonus for the show they can keep going back to, not the only thing Kyle brings to the table. She's even had the whole "suddenly a lot richer than we used to be" angle, along with the fight with Lisa. Kyle's personality alone makes her a valuable reality show person. Not to mention her lightning rod friends.

[TattleTeeny]

And of course Monkey Hotcakes.

 

Oh my goodness, ALMOST choked on my sushi rice with this one. MONKEY HOTCAKES!

 

Also still laughing at the kicking.

Edited February 18, 2016 by TattleTeeny

[VioletMarx]

 

But yeah, she also has just as much going on in her life as anybody else without Kim--the Kim stuff is a bonus for the show they can keep going back to, not the only thing Kyle brings to the table. She's even had the whole "suddenly a lot richer than we used to be" angle, along with the fight with Lisa. Kyle's personality alone makes her a valuable reality show person. 

When have Andy Cohen and Bravo ever been interested in any storyline that didn't involve women fighting with each other? 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

In the Kim Richards reunion flashback in the pink dress about the texting I got a light bulb on who she reminds me of. Pennsatucky! From Orange is the New Black! Yaaasss!

[Giselle]

In the Kim Richards reunion flashback in the pink dress about the texting I got a light bulb on who she reminds me of. Pennsatucky! From Orange is the New Black! Yaaasss!

 

I resent this post! How dare you compare sweet Pennsatucky to Kim! ;-D

[The Mighty Peanut]

I agree with you. Lisa did poke her nose publically into Kim's business quite a bit after the "ride from Hell" and she is sounding like a broken record.

 

There is an episode coming up with Lisa and Kim and we don't know what went down. We don't know yet if Kim has ever truly taken responsibility and apologized to Lisa without a "but" being involved. But I have to wonder if privately Kyle really ever sat down with Lisa R. and acknowledged what Kim did to Lisa and validated her feelings without saying "but you did this".  Lisa may be going on and on about it because Kyle has never validated what her sister did specifically to Lisa (I'm not minimizing what Lisa did to Kim or Kyle). If that has never happened I can see why Lisa feels that she has not been heard by the family and can't move forward. If it has happened then Lisa is doing it to shit stir. 

 

One thing I try to live by is "Let go or be dragged" although there have been a few times that when something is eating at me and if I haven't had the opportunity to vent, well, I grumble and I grumble until I've let it out, done something about it, or gotten just an acknowledgement/validation of  "I understand you feel that way" even if they feel differently. Then I can let it go and move on, never to bring it up again.

 

Has Lisa had that with Kyle? I wonder if Kyle will ever really have that type of closure with Kim.

 

I agree with everything said here. I think Lisa needs to realize is if she hasn't gotten a "but-less" apology from Kim, for lack of a better phrase, it's because of something beyond what Lisa Rinna wants or deserves. If--and this is a big if--Lisa R actually feels victimized after all this time and is seeking resolution, she should try and recognize she needs to resign herself to the fact that she is not going to get the resolution she wants. I don't think Kim will ever tell her she is sorry for being erratic and verbally abusive in the limo and that she only rebuffed Lisa's attempts to be publicly vindicated at Kim's expense help because she was embarrassed about being exposed for a second time and was in denial. She will never tell her she is sorry for bringing up Harry in an attempt to deflect the attention from herself. And she will never, ever, ever say that she just didn't want to admit Lisa was right all along.

 

At most, IMO, she will essentially reiterate what she did at the hotel in Amsterdam the morning after. She is sorry she behaved in ways that made her ashamed of herself and made Lisa uncomfortable, but Lisa threw the glass and sent abusive texts, and either directly or indirectly broached the subject of Kim's sobriety when she had been asked not to repeatedly. Also, Kim now has the legitimate ammo (IMO) that Lisa R has called her names continuously and expressed her disgust with Kim multiple times on social media and elsewhere while Kim was hitting bottom.

 

So Lisa has two choices. She can accept an apology with caveats, or she can tell herself it's enough that SHE and everyone who watched the show and has eyes KNOWS she was right about Kim's relapse and that the limo ride was fucked up. I still think Miss Own Your Shit needs to own her anorexia, judgmental streak, and rage issues, but that's for another day.

 

Edited to add that the thing about life is that 99% of the time we don't get a resolution at all, about anything. 

Edited February 18, 2016 by The Mighty Peanut

[This2getsold]

Kyle had to have Kim on the show. She even threatened to leave if Kim wasn't.

Suck it up, Kyle. Kim was a big part of the show for several seasons. Of course people are going to ask about her. Stop being so entitled Kyle.

[kokapetl]

I think that in addition to many other personality traits, they can all be seen as histrionic personalities.

There's a vote online about 'who wore it better'. Was the dress worn better by Lily Aldridge in shocking red, or by Bella Hadid in black?

I voted for Lilly because, well....um, I kinda think Bella has a camel face, but it's only my opinion. The polls do show Lily leading though.

That was a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition thing! Infinity points from girl in red for no boobage.

[ElDosEquis]

I totally get what you are saying here. But I think we are also being very dismissive of the fact that Lisa Rinna was trapped in that limo with Kim for 2hours, and she can only really discuss what the audience saw of that 2 hour interaction. I think that would stick with anyone for a very long time especially if they are obligated to only discuss the 4 minutes of that 2 hour ride that the audience was shown. It is easy for us to say get over it, so she went crazy in a limo. But, since we have no idea what the worst moment of that 2 hours was we can't really say if this is something that she should just get over because it's so insignificant that it doesn't require closure for her to move forward. 

I would have played 'Out of State' or "Slug Bug", punched the fuck out of her and enjoyed the rest of the ride in peace?

I am so with you on that.  It will be nice when gays, lesbians are just treated as a people, not like the cute little accessory with the funny kinks.  

Are we going to include the Walmart People, too?

[ElDosEquis]

That was a Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition thing! Infinity points from girl in red for no boobage.

 

Both are kinda fugs, what's up with the 'Priscilla Presley' clone?

[Satchels of gold]

Because when her husband clearly thought she was making up the name (although points for knowing Calcutta is an actual place) she didn't explain anything. If that had been me, and my husband tried to embarrass me like that, I would've educated him about Calacatta marble - and probably even said that Cararra is the more commonly known marble.

 

I get that Kathyrn was merely joking about the stone and a lot of people do use material salvaged from old buildings.

I'm become overly suspicious of these ladies. To me that whole scene was contrived so they could talk about the imported material so we would all know how rich they were. Maybe it was genuine, who knows.

[ghoulina]

Today. 9:25 am

I love how Yolanda seems to think that if she can demonstrate that not only has she never heard of Munchausen's but she can't even pronounce the word, that's proof positive that she doesn't have it.

 

Ha! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought she was mispronouncing it for that very reason. 

[charmed1]

Both are kinda fugs, what's up with the 'Priscilla Presley' clone?

LMAO that's the chosen one, Gigi. I think the girl in the red looks good. I envy people with small boobs. Edited February 18, 2016 by charmed1

[ghoulina]

LMAO that's the chosen one, Gigi. I think the girl in the red looks good. I envy people with small boobs.

 

My boobs are medium-smallish. I am satisfied with them. But I definitely think girls with small boobs look better in such low-cut attire. I thought that the girl in red wore it way better than Bella. 

[WordsWordsWords]

I finally watched this episode all the way through. *sigh* I didn't watch WWHL, so all I know about that show is what I read here. I became 100% disabled in 1991, badly enough that I was given SS Disability on my first application. And I looked great. I still look great (okay, not great, but great-adjacent) if I feel well enough -- or have sufficient motivation -- to put on makeup and do my hair and wear something nice. And, even when I look great-ish -- and having been an actor in a former life, I can act as if I feel good -- I feel awful. I'm in severe pain. So I'll give that one to Yolanda. (I hate giving her any points because she's so freakin' unpleasant.) And, guess what, the other HWs would give her a break, too, if she'd just explain herself without finding the highest horse in the stable and climbing aboard. She lies. She twists the truth till it looks its own spine in the eyes, figuratively speaking. And she does it at full Harpy screech.

 

I still don't like Erica, in either of her personalities. Now I don't like her husband much either. If my husband spoke to me in that tone of voice, he'd draw back a tongue stump.

 

But I do like the way Lisa VP handled Mr. Erica. I don't think she was buying what he was selling. Neither Erica nor Mr. Erica is half as cute as either of them thinks.

 

Lastly, I've seen addiction (both alcohol and opioid) up close and personal. If I'd been Lisa R, I'd have been climbing out of that vehicle,never mind that Bravo contract or those closed windows. Ride from Hell indeed. To be honest, I was scared for both of them in those scenes.

[jennylauren123]

OMG, itainttippithebird,

 

I just spent an hour reading that Chronicles of Yolandia series (there's now 6 parts, FYI!)

 

The show might have officially jumped the shark, but these comments are giving me life! I'm rollin'!

[jaync]

Good episode. I didn't even mind having to see Adrienne's mask.

 

As a HW, Kathryn is growing on me a bit. And, Donnie's a cutie.

 

Meanwhile, Yo certainly does seem tons better since the ex-plant surgery.

Don't tell Yolanda that!

 

Erika said that she and Tom only have a couple of parties at their house a year, but they're nothing like the carnival party. Then, she said she wants the other women to experience the kind of party she likes to throw. So, does she have carnival-like parties on the regular, or not? (I'm probably making it more confusing than it needs to be, lol.)

 

At the same time, part of the company I work for is located in North Carolina, and I believe they use the term when it's a specific type of meat (pork?) being served at the party...

Yes, in NC, "barbecue" refers to pulled pork. However, it's not just served at an outdoor party (pig pickin'), as there are tons of restaurants that specialize in barbecue (though the sauces and sides may vary, depending on the region). A dinner/gathering with grilled items - such as burgers and hot dogs - is usually just called a "cookout".

 

All the talk of Kim makes me miss her. Seriously, I'd much rather watch her pickled ass pretend to be sober than listen to Yolanda lie about being at death's door every week.

 

Loved LVP this week. She owns this gig so much.

 

[zoeysmom]

In watching this episode Tom used the term "formidable" to describe Lisa.  I believe LVP described Joyce, after their sitdown as a "formidable opponent".  I think Erika is telling a fib when she claims she never watched the show.  A very strange conversation Tom Girardi thrust out there.  So I am not sure if he is trying to grease the skids because of the increasing bad blood between Erika and Kathryn or if he is just a tool.