Season One Talk: FFwSB

[Kromm]

I don't think the Poles are quite the Mexicans of the UK, but listening to the rants you'd certainly think so.

The EU enforced immigration policy arguably was an actual problem in the UK, but the problem is that the UK's solution was an utterly insane "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" solution. They let their own bonkers versions of Ted Cruz (Nigel Farage) and Donald Trump (Boris Johnson) plunge their society into utter chaos by not having even a hint of a plan. If they really thought the combination of immigration and economic issues with the EU put them at a loss, their solution was to piss off the very people who they STILL have to negotiate with for most of their future trade agreements. Just in the past day, this maniac Farage actually showed up at the EU meeting and belittled them to their faces. Again. AFTER he won. The very people, as I said, that even if you're leaving, you have to negotiate future replacement agreements with.

A sane approach would have been to put together some kind of ten year plan, NOT put it to a public vote, and negotiate some pre-agreements first that you could present as doable if Britain left. Phase the membership out in a long plan.  But to do that you needed to play nice and get the EU to like you. Instead, every last member of their governing body utterly loathes the person who's there to represent the UK. They'd sooner piss on Farage's grave than do anything for him.  They'd sooner piss on their own family's graves than do anything for him.

Getting back to the immigration thing, the other big aspect is that even if the EU was leaving the UK open to too much unregulated immigration, the UK's current response, even MORESO now after they won, has been utter and total racism. Reading the UK news about incidents this week has been like looking in a mirror shining on certain parts of the US.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Kromm

[Lantern7]

Listening to Sam talk about how Trump needs to lose all fifty states . . . it's so eerie. She's in my head. I don't know if I should apologize or ask for back rent.

Don't know if Sam is a fan of Doctor Who, especially since David didn't acknowledge her. Worst case, she's got writers who are fans, and that would be good enough for me.

[maraleia]

5 hours ago, trow125 said:

She made a comment about Claire Danes, so I think she was parodying this.

Yep that's it.

[peeayebee]

I believe Trump had Poles as construction workers on one of his hotels or other buildings, which I assume was here in the U.S. Maybe lots of Poles have immigrated to many countries in search of jobs.

[purist]

This Wikipedia article says that the Polish-born population in the UK increased from 60,711 in 2001 (official census data) to around 790,000 in 2014 (Office for National Statistics data), and that they are the second-largest overseas-born group in the UK after those born in India. Poland became part of the EU in 2004, which is when the UK granted free movement to workers from the new EU member states.

Loved the David Tennant bit. The Scottish accent makes everything better.

Edited June 29, 2016 by purist

[peeayebee]

Thanks for the info, purist. That clears it up for me. 

[DXD526]

Sam's right, having to decide between domestic abuse and owning a gun is quite the Sophie's Choice. Damn SCOTUS.

[LoneHaranguer]

13 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Listening to Sam talk about how Trump needs to lose all fifty states . . . it's so eerie. She's in my head.

Have you seen what the Democrats are offering as alternatives? It's like they're consigned to having the GOP get their turn in the White House and don't want to "waste" a good candidate. It's a shame Sam can't put aside her partisanship. I'm seeing "Hillary For Prison 2016" signs in pro-Dem neighborhoods of an extremely pro-Dem state, so there's room to take a few shots without bursting anyone's illusions.

[atomationage]

14 hours ago, Kromm said:

this maniac Farage actually showed up at the EU meeting and belittled them to their faces. Again. AFTER he won

Farage isn't the only one.  The UK has elected about 20 UKIP members there, but there's only one in Parliament in London. 

[Milburn Stone]

22 hours ago, trow125 said:

She made a comment about Claire Danes, so I think she was parodying this.

The accompanying essay to the "this" being parodied--an essay that tries so hard to find offense that it hurts--earns my "eyes rolling into back of head, spare me" award of the day.

[Victor the Crab]

Could someone please prescribe some chill pills for Van Jones?

[Pippin]

I am compelled to admit that I never cared for Sam B. when she was on the Daily Show w/Jon.  However, I really like her on her own show. 

Maybe that's because we are seeing more sides to her than we did on TDS.

And her rants are right up there with Jon's and Rick Mercer's.

[fauxphysician]

Seinfeld gets an Emmy nomination and NOT Sam??!!!  Ludicrous!

[attica]

My dvr grid says that there's another ep of FF on Wednesday. Dare I hope it's GOP Convention-related?

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 minutes ago, attica said:

My dvr grid says that there's another ep of FF on Wednesday. Dare I hope it's GOP Convention-related?

Oh I hope so! Back on The Daily Show, I loved the field pieces she did at the conventions!

[trow125]

My cable provider (Comcast) has it listed as "A Very Special Full Frontal Special." There's a teaser video on the FF Facebook page.

[33kaitykaity]

Samantha Bee reveals the hidden meaning behind the new Trump-Pence 2016 logo

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/15/samantha_bee_reveals_the_hidden_meaning_behind_the_new_trump_pence_2016_logo/

The gif they made is brilliant if a little risque.  (I won't put the gif itself here for fear of getting this post deleted.)

[attica]

And it had enough of an effect that the TP campaign has already retired the logo.

[biakbiak]

6 hours ago, attica said:

And it had enough of an effect that the TP campaign has already retired the logo.

To be fair there were many, many, many notable people mocking the logo. Including current and former Congressmen, so it was a cumulative effect. 

[JayInChicago]

This is fucking amazing. I love Samantha Bee.

[Victor the Crab]

Super great to see Samantha back. This on again, off again routine is too much for me. Especially since she just laid waste to those hypocritical evangelicals supporting Donald Drumph.

[ruby24]

Yay, Sam's back! So much news she missed, too.

I half wish her episode was on tomorrow after this Melania plagiarism disaster tonight.

Edited July 19, 2016 by ruby24

[biakbiak]

She also has a new show on Wed but there could be more disasters before then!

Edited July 19, 2016 by biakbiak

[attica]

So, that kid. What're the odds in 10 years he's a serial killer? 

[ChelseaNH]

Not a serial killer.  Just the coworker from hell.

[trow125]

You guys, I WAS THAT KID. I wrote a pro-Reagan editorial for my local newspaper and volunteered at Republican HQ, and I grew up to be a Sam Bee-lovin' Democrat. As I watched him, I hoped that he would have the same trajectory. (Basically, it involved leaving my conservative hometown for a big east coast city and meeting people with different points of view.) So I would not be too hard on him -- he's just parroting the words of the adults around him. Having said that, I don't blame FF for giving him so much airtime because it is pretty hilarious to hear kids mindlessly spew Republican talking points.

[iMonrey]

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So, that kid. What're the odds in 10 years he's a serial killer? 

That was seriously hard to watch. The kid sounded so intelligent and articulate but really doesn't know anything beyond what his immediate circle of family and friends have told him. It's one thing to hear the adults in the room spewing nonsense but it's harder to see it coming out of the mouth of a child because it feels like brainwashing. 

[peeayebee]

And they don't even hear themselves. America has freedom of religion... but not Muslim. 

The whole thing about Hillary being the devil incarnate, lying and crooked, but Trump is sent from God. I just... I don't know... Very depressing.

I hadn't heard about Palin not being at the convention. Trump's explanation was hilarious. She's far away. Holy cow. And I love Sam's theory that Palin was mad at Trump because he stole her word-salad spinner. That makes so much sense, it must be true!

[Kel Varnsen]

The bit about the dollar store Rambo was awesome although being from Canada thatopen carry stuff would scare the crap out of me.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

It's one thing to hear the adults in the room spewing nonsense but it's harder to see it coming out of the mouth of a child because it feels like brainwashing. 

It's really creepy actually. He looked old enough to use the internet. Saying stuff like "we elected a muslim as president" is easily refuted. When you hear that out of adults, just parroting the narrative laid out for them, the lack of curiosity and wanting to find stuff out is alarming.

Can we all just agree that "evangelical" is the loophole religious people use to chip holes in separation of church and state and just tax them like everyone else?

We're going to have some shooting incident this week right? Is it even debatable?

[Lantern7]

Once the kid grows pubes, he'll come around. Not like I'd expect him to attend Bernie rallies, but he'll feel a little embarrassed about his views.

Will Sam be attending the DNC next week?

[ganesh]

Will he? If he's going to the local high school, those values are going to be ingrained for many years, and he's not going to be exposed to alternative views. What's the motivating factor to him to move beyond? He thinks Obama is a muslim. Where is that going to be challenged? 

As a former teen boy, I am confident in saying they are probably the dumbest species on the planet. Getting pubes do not alleviate the condition, and I would go so far as to say that it makes it worse. 

[Hanahope]

10 hours ago, ganesh said:

Will he? If he's going to the local high school, those values are going to be ingrained for many years, and he's not going to be exposed to alternative views. What's the motivating factor to him to move beyond? He thinks Obama is a muslim. Where is that going to be challenged? 

It could take years.  I wasn't exposed to differing views until college, which was only a few years, and at that time I thought they were all wrong.  My grad school and first job were back in the bubble and I  stuck to my republican guns for years.  It actually wasn't until I moved to a different state and really experienced some hardships and a different life that I finally realized that much of what I was taught to believe was a big fat lie.

[ganesh]

Even then. He could go to the local state college where all those views might just be reinforced. It's the unwillingness to learn for oneself that's the most troubling. 

[atomationage]

10 out of 10 robots believe everything their programmers tell them. 

[ganesh]

Excuse me, I believe what I was programmed to believe!

[Victor the Crab]

1 hour ago, atomationage said:

10 out of 10 robots believe everything their programmers tell them. 

Until the robot uprising begins! 8O

[EmpressElle]

Actually, the kid is probably home-schooled.  They wouldn't want him to come within a country mile of any type of "other."

[Kel Varnsen]

21 hours ago, ganesh said:

Will he? If he's going to the local high school, those values are going to be ingrained for many years, and he's not going to be exposed to alternative views. What's the motivating factor to him to move beyond? He thinks Obama is a muslim. Where is that going to be challenged? 

The Obama is a muslim thing always makes me laugh. I probsbly learned about islam in grade 8 social studies, and if Obama is a muslim he is a pretty bad one. Considering how often the guy is on camera it should be pretty easy to prove he isn't  praying to Mecca 5 times a day nor fasting during Ramadan. Plus he drinks. If 13 year old me knew thzt hopefukky this kid can figure out something close.

[ganesh]

I could buy that. Especially the way he was parroting what the woman was saying. 

[atomationage]

That woman actually looked familiar.  I've seen her somewhere before.

[chitowngirl]

On 7/19/2016 at 4:50 AM, biakbiak said:

She also has a new show on Wed but there could be more disasters before then!

The Wednesday show is all pre-recorded pieces.

[Victor the Crab]

How the fuck does Samantha find these stupid, low information whackjobs? I have this strong urge to slap each and every one of them into semi conscience.

I feel sorry for that Republican Samantha was talking to at the hot dog restaurant. He looks as if Samantha gave him a loaded gun, he'd take it, point it at his head, and pull the trigger.

You killed a Canadian goose with your bus, Samantha! You're gonna pay when you next cross the border!

[chitowngirl]

As someone who lives in PA, I sincerely apologize, but please know we are not all like this!

I WAS wondering why they were traveling from NY to Cleveland via the South route, probably Route 30, instead of I-80, but that's just the map nerd in me. To experience the "true" PA, I suppose.

[cattykit]

They should have run this on Monday and done something on the convention itself for the Wednesday segment.

The piece about the convention delegates--the narration reminded me so much of Tracey Ullman's State of the Union.

2 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

As someone who lives in PA, I sincerely apologize, but please know we are not all like this!

I WAS wondering why they were traveling from NY to Cleveland via the South route, probably Route 30, instead of I-80, but that's just the map nerd in me. To experience the "true" PA, I suppose.

Yeah, I can't imagine anyone going from NY to Cleveland by way of Altoona unless you specifically want to go through Altoona.  That or just to avoid the deadly boredom of I-80.  You have to drop down from I-80 or drive an hour up from I-76 PA Turnpike to get to Altoona. 

I grew up in a small town outside Altoona.  I'd forgotten just how redneck and right wing Central PA is.  I was definitely not appreciated in 1972 as a McGovern supporter.  At all.  But PA is as a whole is anything but monolithic, which is why it's almost always considered battleground or swing.

[Jaded Sapphire]

Can we mine the sheer amount of cognitive dissonance these people have? It would certainly solve the energy crisis.

[Irlandesa]

I didn't love this special.  I did think it was going to be about the actual convention since she went to Cleveland but I guess not.  It was just too sad. 

The only joy I got out of it was yelling "kiss" "kiss" when Tony Goldwyn was *this* close to Sam during his speech.

[Pollock]

14 hours ago, Victor the Crab said:

Until the robot uprising begins! 8O

Don't even joke with my biggest nightmare!

 

Never thought I would say that but I felt so sad for the Republican in the Beaver district. That is of course until I remembered he has the right to vote for Hillary, Jill Stein or that guy whose name escapes me for the Libertarian party who is the most republican candidate by the way so he still has options if he's so unhappy about Trump's nomination. 

That poor blonde girl with the glasses needed that hug biggly©.

I also had a "WTF good god woman" moment with the Bernie supporter. All that posturing must take a toll on her back. Between the glass earth or whatever, the white large scarf she was sporting and the commiseration for the world while living in what seems to be a beautiful country mansion... I just can't. She seemed so self-serving and unaware, it was ridiculous. I burst out laughing when the interviewer asked her why she didn't bring food instead of a ball.

Anyway, that wasn't as brilliant as I hyped myself it would be but I still had some good laughs, sheer terror and anger while watching so still a win in my book.

[TVcritic]

That other interviewer looked a lot like Heidi Cruz. Just sayin' ... 

[Hanahope]

9 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

As someone who lives in PA, I sincerely apologize, but please know we are not all like this!

For sure.  In fact, fortunately the majority of us in Philly and Pittsburgh outweigh the rest of the state many times.