S03.E01: Wanheda (Part 1)

[Stinger97]

Three months have passed since the tragedy at Mount Weather and our heroes learn that a bounty has been put on Clarke's head. Unbeknownst to Clarke, a team led by Bellamy and Kane journeys deep into Grounder territory to save her. Meanwhile, Murphy finds his way to the mansion and discovers a very different Jaha on a very different mission.

[Primetimer]

A lot has changed since the fall of Mt. Weather, starting with our hero's hair color.

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[tennisgurl]

Oh Clark. You lady killer you. 

[ybrik]

That went by quick. I enjoyed the episode. This is a weird feeling as I watched the two seasons over the summer and now this is the first time watching the season live.

 

Apparently Clarke has one move, moving the hand to the breast. Good move. She definitely needed some kind of moment of release. Of course, this is what you get for walking out on a girl in the middle of the night.

 

Never would have thought this but Octavia and Jasper should go off together because they were really over dramatic. Jasper sorry about your girlfriend but get over it. Your girlfriend was part of a group that were going to massacre your friends. It came down to a decision of  your girlfriend or your friends. Now Octavia giving grief to Lincoln is just idiotic. You were a trainee for a few weeks but you are giving Lincoln grief about not staying true to the Grounders. Seriously the guy choose you over his people knowing that he would not be able to return. He is trying to make the best of it. Give him a f'n break.

 

Murphy/Jaha/Alie is a trip. There is so much not right about this. Murphy go with your first thought Jaha has gone way over the cuckoo's nest.

 

Not sure what to think about the rest of the crew. Needing to see where they go in part 2.

 

Also the use of music was a little distracting in this episode. Maybe it was just me? There was the group sing which was okay and the guy on the piano which also was okay but too noticable. But the music during the sex scene was way too noticiable.

[Sakura12]

Get some lovin' Clarke, you deserve it after taking a down a panther like that. 

 

Commander of Death, she doesn't even need a crew. I know a lot of people don't like Clarke but I love her. Along with Sara on LoT she's one of my favorite female tv characters. 

 

Still don't understand the CW's need for random musical guests. This isn't SNL. 

 

I like that Bellamy is getting more respect. Although why they brought an unstable Jasper along was really stupid. And Jasper you knew that girl for two minutes. Not feeling sorry for him. I do feel sorry for Monty, he's having trouble dealing with his choices and he has no one to talk too. Bellamy just fit right into his leader role and Clarke's awol and being hunted by everyone. 

[Lila82]

Fuck you, Jasper.  How many wars does he have to start before someone does us all a favor and offs him?  

 

All for Bellamy finding love, but Bob Morley has chemistry with inanimate objects and they cast the single actress with whom he has negative chemistry.  

 

Indra lives!  My season three wishlist is short and mostly involves her kicking ass and taking names.

 

Also?  Joshua lives!!!  It's been years since I've seen an episode of "Dark Angel" but I'd recognize that dogboy anywhere.

 

Still having trouble connecting with Abby and Octavia (and couldn't care less about all things Jaha), but if this episode is any indication, season three will be much more balanced than season two.  I like Clarke but I'm interested in other characters too.  Nearly all of them have been set up with interesting arcs.

 

I'm pretty convinced the writers troll fanfic boards.  There were a lot of references that come up in fic all the time and are now canon (see: contraceptive implants, Miller's sexuality, Arkadia, Bellamy reading Greek epics, etc).

 

Singing teenagers?  I know I'm old, but what am I missing?

 

 

 

ETA:

 

But the music during the sex scene was way too noticiable.

 

 

Because it sounded like a 70s porn soundtrack.  Who knew the Grounders were big on wailing guitar solos.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Lila82

[kdm07]

Since it's only Part 1, I'm quite happy with the place-setting that happened tonight.

 

- Clarke can kill panthers now (and most definitely deserves a night of passion, get it Clarke!).

- Jasper...either solve your drama or jump off a cliff. Actions like that start wars.

- My poor, poor Raven.

- So Lincoln is trying to be a Sky person and Octavia is happy to remain a pseudo-grounder? That's going to cause some problems down the line.

- Bellamy, I know you don't like the Grounders but why would you think you know more about trees than Indra, a Tree-tribe person?

- Murphy, you were right, Jaha has lost it. Get away from him as fast as possible.

- I also appreciate the Sky people trying to assimilate by learning the Grounder language.

 

Welcome back show!

[kalamac]

I've had a crush on Paige Turco for 20 years, since back when she was in American Gothic, and I really wish she was as kick-ass on The 100 as she is whenever she shows up on Person of Interest.

[thuganomics85]

Ha, Clarke new lover (or one night stand), is totally the same actress who is playing Clive's FBI girlfriend on iZombie!  I guess The CW found their new favorite actress to play love interests!  I love Clive, but Clarke is a pretty big upgrade!  Even if I'm not quite liking her new look.  Still, she killed a panther so all is well!

 

Sheesh, Jasper.  I get losing Maya sucks, but almost everyone has lost someone on this show, so maybe don't almost cause another war, just because you don't want to live anymore or whatever.  Plus, Maya is in a better place!  She's on Heroes: Reborn... wait, scratch that!  That does suck.  Although, he did finally shoved that Shawn Mendes dude, who I guess is popular or whatever.  I get you want to increase the ratings, CW, but lets not go too overboard.

 

I just can't figure Octavia out right now.  Lincoln is just trying to not only survive in this world, but maybe hopefully continue to make things better for both the Ark people and Grounders.  But Octavia just wants him to run away with her or something?  Does she really think that would end well?

 

I still don't know half of the stuff that is going on with the City of Light, but I continue to love how Jaha is making Psycho Murphy the sane person of the two.  Also, congrats to Richard Harmon for getting himself into the main credits finally!

 

Kane, Indra, Monty, and Bellamy together should be so much fun!

 

Abby really needs to decide what is more important: being a doctor or the Chancellor.  I just can't see her doing both and her people will suffer if she can't commit one hundred percent to either job.  Maybe Raven will finally snap her out of it.

Edited January 22, 2016 by thuganomics85

[loki567]

Consider it a letdown after the greatness of season two, but I also understand they need some time to get the story arcs rolling. 

 

Add me to the, "little sympathy for Jasper," train. I get it terrible's but he didn't really know that girl well enough to be getting suicidal over her. Considering the circumstances that everyone's dealing with, I can't help but feel he needs to suck it up some.

 

Didn't really like the Lincoln/Octavia dynamic, her being angry at him trying to assimilate doesn't really track for me. 

 

I found it strange that considering Clarke is the main character, her storyline in the season premiere is basically just hooking up with random grounder woman. As a Clarke/Lexa fan, I got a bad feeling about what it means for Lexa. I think she probably dies in the next couple of episodes and the writers wanted to firmly establish Clarke as bi so they could potentially negate any backlash for killing their opening gay character. I just wish Alycia Debnam Carey was a regular here, Fear the Walking Dead blows. 

[Agent Dark]

Ha, Clarke new lover (or one night stand), is totally the same actress who is playing Clive's FBI girlfriend on iZombie!  I guess The CW found their new favorite actress to play love interests!  I love Clive, but Clarke is a pretty big upgrade!

The actress, Jessica Harmon, is also Richard Harmon's sister :o  Pretty sure she won this week in the sibling rivalry game!

[ybrik]

Funny bit of info that the writers tweeted. The actress playing Clarke's lover is Richard Harmon's (Murphy) sister. Apparently a cast member forced him to watch the love scene.

 

Octavia has been annoying me since last year and this episode continued it but it also helped me figure out why. She's that person who just started something new whether it be a new religion, new diet, new greener lifestyle etc and suddenly it's her whole world. Anyone who doesn't agree with it or has different opnions are wrong.

 

ETA: Agent Dark beat me to the info about the lover being Harmon's sister.

Edited January 22, 2016 by ybrik

[Indigo Luna]

Though I don't really care about Jaspers Man-pain, I was perfectly ok with him shoving Shawn Mendes off that piano. Can't stand his whiny voice ugh. I hope we don't have any more "music breaks" like this. The less "CWisms" on this show the better. 

 

Is the actor playing Wick not coming back and that's why he disappeared? It was so odd to have him suddenly not around Raven and that throw away line of "you pushed Wick away..." was clunky. 

 

Totally not feeling Bellamy's new girl friend. I agree with the person above that they found the one person he has negative chemistry with. But what does it matter, she'll be dumped/killed the second Clarke shows back up and we all know it. So no personality required on her part. 

 

Richard Harmon really hit it out of the park this episode! I love Murphy so much, even if he is a douche. I hope nothing happens to him. Please.

 

Also, Clarke being openly and unapologetically bisexual is amazing and I'm so glad the writers get this. They get major props from me about it!

[Coxfires]

Octavia has been annoying me since last year and this episode continued it but it also helped me figure out why. She's that person who just started something new whether it be a new religion, new diet, new greener lifestyle etc and suddenly it's her whole world. Anyone who doesn't agree with it or has different opnions are wrong.

 

I love the analogy, reminds of my dad when he stopped smoking after 30+ years and then judged everyone who did. And yes, Octavia was grating this episode. I get where she comes from, not only her past on the Ark, but also her own experience with the grounders, who simingly assimilated her but then turned on her after Lexa's betrayal. So I see why she would act like that, but it still annoys me.

I'm also one of those who can't stand Jasper and his "woe-is-me" anymore, everyone in their world has lost friends/lovers, etc. 

 

I liked the episode, although it wasn't the most enthralling of the show. I think as a season premiere, it worked well to catch up with everyone and start to show where it might go, but lacked maybe a little bit of edge. I'm not worried since I know everything will go nuts by episode 2.

[Trisan]

Okay, very solid premiere ! Time flew by !!!

 

And I'm really curious to see how that City of Light arc will unfold ! Jaha is clearly bananas now, but still, I'm really curious as to the effects of that pill ! 

[Artsda]

Great premiere! I loved it and didn't believe when it was over so fast.

 

I love the Jasper turn and even when I first saw him he looked so different I didn't recognize him. 

 

Love the rocking out in the truck. 

 

Why is Octavia more a Grounder than Lincoln? Girl, you grew up on the Arc.

 

I miss Murphy being around the others. Hope he leaves the crazy behind.

[jay741982]

I wonder if Murphy is gonna get himself some lovin this season with that Emori woman?

[ottoDbusdriver]

Apparently the Sky people spent the last 3 months clearing roads through the woods for their SUV.  A lot of roads.  Considering that during the first two seasons there was nary a sign of any roads or highways even in and around TonDC.  Now there are unobstructed roads all over the place (until someone drops a tree in the way).

 

Anyone else notice that when they were out driving on the grasslands that there were already tire tracks when they supposedly just took off in a random direction towards the homing beacon.

 

How is Alie the hologram out on the boat ?  I get that there are holo-projectors in the mansion, but way out on the water ?  Are we supposed to know who that woman on the boat was that Murphy recognized ?  I've got nothing.  I guess the boat will be going to the oil platform that was scene in the new version of the opening credits.

 

Interesting there were barely any shots of what happened at Mt. Weather last season in the previouslies.  How can they forget about the chocolate cake ?

 

Did the budget get cut this season -- and they can only buy the rights to one 80s song per episode ?  Because they played two versions of 'Add It Up' by the Violent Femmes.  Or is that the only song they have from the Ark before Arkfall (copyright Defiance) ?

 

Clarkie got some strange.  Meh. Whatever.  Port in a storm.

 

I'm surprised only Raven's hip is hurting -- she has been sliced and diced, and shot, and beat up.  Weird thing is that she was walking around no problem towards the end of Season 2 -- with her supposed leg with no feelings in it.

Edited January 23, 2016 by ottoDbusdriver

[AnnaMayWong]

Octavia❗ Shut the hell up‼

Jasper, you can shut the hell up, too!

 Is this a music video? No, it's not. So, please cease the loud, 'emo' driven songs/tunes.

So, Clark, now, possesses the ability to hunt with master level stealth, strength, and cagey strategy. Okaa-ey...

Wow, a solid number of The Group certainly has managed to learn a new language doggone quickly. Remind me, please. Just how long have they been on the planet? Rosetta Stone most certainly has done an absolutely fabulous job.

The Season 3 premiere was alright. Some pandering is evident. Also, a bit 'try too hard to be cool, slick, and hip'.

Despite the ABOVE⬆,  I am definitely willing to watch the show and WANT to enjoy it.

[ottoDbusdriver]

So, Clark, now, possesses the ability to hunt with master level stealth, strength, and cagey strategy. Okaa-ey...

Wow, a solid number of The Group certainly has managed to learn a new language doggone quickly. Remind me, please. Just how long have they been on the planet? Rosetta Stone most certainly has done an absolutely fabulous job.

 

Has Lincoln been providing daily lunch-and-learns for all Arkadians that want to learn Grounder speak ?  And Clarkie's conversational Grounder has improved substantially since she has been out alone in the woods for 3 months, with the occasional stop by the ole trading post for dried salted meat and a booty call.

 

As they made it painfully clear in the episode, it has only been 86 days or so since the events of the S2 finale.  And in total, they probably haven't been on the planet more than 6-8 months since they never encountered winter at all -- remember that they are in Northern Virginia, not exactly tropical climates.

 

But the weird thing is that it was approaching winter at the end of last season -- remember that one episode where there was snow on the ground when Clarkie, Lexa and Lincoln were hunting that sniper/assassin from Mt. Weather -- so Clarkie has developed her master hunting skills while living alone in the woods in the middle of winter.  And all the road clearing so they could go for their lovely drives through the woods was done in the middle of winter.  Considering that they don't have chainsaws or bulldozers or dump trucks they cleared a lot of roads in a short period of time -- in the middle of winter.

 

Lincoln seems to have completely recovered from being shot in the shoulder by Clarkie.

Kane seems to have completely recovered from having his femoral artery lacerated by that explosion at the grounder camp at TonDC.

 

I'm still surprised that Murphy's bunker was super clean when he got there, and stocked not only with booze, but working consumer electronics (TVs, video cameras), and nearly 100 year old food supplies (did he eat nothing but crackers and booze for nearly 3 months -- that would drive anyone crazy ?).

 

It would have been hysterical if that drone had dropped off a delivery from Amazon when Murphy got out of the bunker -- and dropped off more crackers.

 

I wonder if that big tower and offshore oil platform seen in the S3 intro will come into play this season -- considering that the two cities that were introduced in last season's intro (and still retained for this season) were never encountered at all in Season 2.

Edited January 24, 2016 by ottoDbusdriver

[jane1978]

This was great premiere excluding the singing! That Jaha/story is absolutely nuts. I have no idea what´s going on and where it´s supposed to go but I certainly didn´t expect the Red Queen will turn into Jaha´s spiritual leader while Murphy just gives the sarcastic commentary. But atleast she brought him a girlfriend (I know the girl on a boat is familiar but I have no idea where or when we saw her last time,)

 

Clarke is now openly bi, which is a smart move from the writers given it´s Clarke/Lexa kiss and relationship (and the great chemistry between both actresses) what finally put the show on the map. Speaking of Lexa, when Clarke murdered the panther and said the prayer it was so obvious she was thinking about her. I know FoWD is much bigger show ratings wise but ADC has so little airtime on it and her character is so terrible written I think/hope she will not want to leave the 100 anytime soon. I can´t wait till Lexa reappear again.

 

I don´t understand the merchant girl. Was she a grounder? And how her english was so perfect?

 

Abby continues to do a terrible job as leader. Make the people dependent on the goods from Mount is not a good move. It was pretty much foreshadowed but I´m already willing to bet this season will end in another war and our people will have to hide in the Mount. 

 

Love that Bellamy has a girlfriend and she´s just an extra. I don´t think they are preparing triangle for after Clarke comes back, I think it´s just a sign from writers to shippers they don´t want to focus on his lovelife right now. His social needs are satisfied and he seems happy, let´s go back to the more important things.

 

I love the actress who plays Octavia but I have no idea what´s the conflict between her and Lincoln is about. I remember she wanted to learn how to fight and become one of the grounders, but I don´t remember when she started to resent her people so much. Yes, they are trying to turn Lincoln into a positive example and also to show him he is fully accepted now, but I don´t see it as using. 

 

I quess Raven and Jasper are the new couple in the making now when Wick is out. 

[kieyra]

Glad to see I wasn't the only one annoyed by the musical cross-marketing or whatever the hell we were subjected to.

 

Really, show, don't try that shit unless you have Bear McCreary on staff. 

[FurryFury]

I agree about the music in the last half being distracting, but I absolutely loved the sing-along ride. Great moment of levity that only served to make the show feel more real - even despite all the darkness and griminess and depression people still find the time to let go and enjoy something.

 

Overall, this was very noticeably only the first half of a two-parter. I wish they would have aired both at the same time, because the episode felt very set-up-y. Still a strong outing for the show, don't get me wrong, but Clarke's story especially felt dragged out and I kept wishing they'd switch back to Bellamy, who, I felt, had the best plot. (Although I really enjoyed Murphy, too).

 

Hated, hated, hated Octavia's sudden decision to be all Grounder-y. I really don't think it made sense for the character at this point. I mean, I know she never felt at home with the Ark people, but why now? Especially when she's together with Lincoln (whom I surprisingly liked this time, even if I'm still mostly neutral on him) and her brother... It felt weird.

 

Now, with Jasper, it did make sense. He's acting out, sure, and behaving in a really stupid way (I wish somebody reminded him of Finn's antics last year), and maybe his romance with Maya wasn't all that grand objectively, but she was probably his first love and stuff like that can affect people a lot. I guess I like the direction of the character, so far as his flaws are acknowledged by the rest of the cast and nobody behaves OOC because of him.

 

Miller has a boyfriend! Good for him... but what about Monty? Aw.

 

So, are Abby and Kane already doing it? Kinda felt like they are. Well, Abby deserves some fun, with her daughter missing and hunted and being a leader and a doctor. Poor woman.

 

And obligatory: I really missed this show. That's such a weird week, so much stuff is returning/premiering: Agent Carter, LOT, The 100... I barely have time to watch everything.

Edited January 23, 2016 by FurryFury

[SourK]

So excited this show is back. Based on this episode, it looks like they're doubling down on lots of things I love about it -- casually being okay with gay people, Cain and Abby's friendship/romance, Murphy being the voice of reason in the kingdom of a crazy Jaha -- and one thing I hate, which is the idea that Octavia is authentically a grounder, even though she only started trying to be one, like, four months ago, and has never lived among the grounders, and got kicked out of the clan she tried to join. Listening to her lecture Lincoln about how to belong to his own culture properly was so annoying.

 

I understand Jasper being upset about what happened to Maya -- that was a really horrible thing. Not only losing someone you care for, but being placed in a situation where you have to watch good people die in a terrible way, and there's nothing you can do about it. I even kind of understand why he's acting like he blames his friends and they should have done something different to stop that from happening -- it's a form of denial. So, he's annoying, but I'm willing to see where it goes, because it seems like a somewhat realistic reaction to me. That said -- why would you take that guy on a sensitive mission where you've been explicitly instructed not to break the peace?

[KittenPokerCheater]

So I guess they didn't renew the actor who plays Wick's contract?  It looked like they were setting him up to be a big part of season three.

 

Poor Jasper needs to find some weed and chill the fuck out.  He's becoming dangerous, and I would hate for him to die.

 

It was great to seem the rocking out to the Violent Femme's- they got to be kids again for a sec.

 

Right now, it seems as if Clarke isn't going to have much interaction with Bellamy, Octavia, Raven, Lincoln etc this season.  Which is too bad because I like the show best when they are all together.

 

I feel like they are trying to turn Clarke into Xena redux, which to me would be boring, because we're already seen that show.  I like the idea of her being bisexual.  I wonder if her ONS set her up to get caught, and I wonder how (or if) Lexa will fit into the storyline.  

 

I still hope Clarke and Bellamy will hook up by the end of the series.  I think they have great chemistry.

 

But yes, in three months everyone is very fluent in Grounder, and Octavia has become quite the misanthrope when it comes to the Arkers.  I find it odd that she is so mad at Lincoln for trying to be a part of both worlds- that she feels like he is selling out.  I don't get it.

 

What is up with Raven's leg?  Abby wants to give her ANOTHER operation?  Why?  I thought she'd lost use of her leg, surgery wasn't going to fix it  and the invention thing was what kept her mobile. 

 

Jaha is boring.  I wish his storyline and the AI would go the way of Wick.  But Murphy can stay.  He's a good character, even if he's a pretty bad guy.  Thus far, I'm still liking season 1 best.  But I'll still keep watching!

[kieyra]

So I guess they didn't renew the actor who plays Wick's contract?  It looked like they were setting him up to be a big part of season three.

 

 

Yeah, I noticed there was a hand-wavey line of dialogue about Raven pushing him away, or something. (No idea regarding the actor, I just recognize a 'forget about this character' when I hear it.)

[FurryFury]

The actor supposedly acted out on Twitter in a very racist way or something, which is why they had to write Wick out (which is such a bummer, I liked the character and, well, I like anything that could make Raven happy, her life is a giant ball of suck).

[Adira]

How is Alie the hologram out on the boat ?  I get that there are holo-projectors in the mansion, but way out on the water ?  Are we supposed to know who that woman on the boat was that Murphy recognized ?  I've got nothing.  I guess the boat will be going to the oil platform that was scene in the new version of the opening credits.

 

Pretty sure Jaha has some sort of electrical implant (like the one he was giving Murphy) that allows him to see Alie.  I don't think anyone else can see her.

[that one guy]

So this was pretty great. I have said elsewhere that Clarke is a war criminal who should be hanged. At this point I feel like Skicru or whatever they're calling themselves are clearly the badguys. They have invaded a land that had its own culture and tribal social organization and upset the apple cart, starting wars and killing a whole bunch of people. This is not a complaint about the show - I'm enjoying it a great deal at this point. I was worried the Mount Weather massacre would have no consequences for Clarke, and I wasn't willing to watch that show. But it clearly has. I have no expectation that the show would be daring enough to kill her off, which is too bad. If they did, this show will have completed the transition from something tolerably entertaining that I could never quite decide to stop watching into one of my favorite things ever. Even as it is, I feel like this is suddenly a show on top of its game. But if Jasper kills Clarke I will jump for joy, just like I did when Clarke killed Finn.

 

It didn't hurt that the action was book-ended by one of the greatest songs in the history of rock and roll. In fact, my one complaint is that they called the episode "Wanheda (Part 1)" instead of "Add It Up."

 

I guess they looted all the MP3 players after murdering everyone at the Mountain? I'm going to fanwank that it was Maya who had the good taste in music, and Dante Wallace who artfully edited out the verses with profanity to make it suitable for primetime broadcast TV. When I was in high school back before the earth cooled, a student band had permission to play a set in the courtyard, but did not make this artful edit and promptly got the plug pulled on them. It was a real disappointment for everyone involved.

[FurryFury]

At this point I feel like Skicru or whatever they're calling themselves are clearly the badguys. They have invaded a land that had its own culture and tribal social organization and upset the apple cart, starting wars and killing a whole bunch of people.

 

So you suggest they should have died from lack of oxygen on the Ark? Just to avoid upsetting people whose existence they had no idea about? Or killed themselves after learning about the Grounders?

[Agent Dark]

So this was pretty great. I have said elsewhere that Clarke is a war criminal who should be hanged. At this point I feel like Skicru or whatever they're calling themselves are clearly the badguys. They have invaded a land that had its own culture and tribal social organization and upset the apple cart, starting wars and killing a whole bunch of people..

 

 

So you suggest they should have died from lack of oxygen on the Ark? Just to avoid upsetting people whose existence they had no idea about? Or killed themselves after learning about the Grounders?

 

I think its more that there's a definite Imperialistic undertone to the way the Arkers have conducted themselves on the ground.  Whether that's deliberate or not, I'm not sure, but given the quality of the show I'm going to say that the writers intended it.  I'm interested to see if the show goes further and makes a comment on Imperialism, and the devastating effects it can have on indigenous populations.

[Sakura12]

The Mountain men were the enemy of the all the Grounders and the Arkers, they were killing them so they could leave their bunker. Clarke along with Monty and Bellamy were just the ones that wiped them out. I do agree that the Arkers are trying to take control of everything and don't care about the other people living there. But that's not on Clarke, she's not there and she seems to think everyone is a Grounder now. Plus the Arkers want her back and the Grounders think she's a mythical warrior that commands death. There is also if everyone is looking for Clarke then no one is fighting each other. So she indirectly caused this peace time. 

 

I'd rather Jasper die than Clarke, he annoyed me all last episode by putting his team in danger because he can't get his shit together. Clarke takes care of problems or fixes the one she caused, Jasper just causes them just like Finn did. Jasper's girlfriend would not have been able to stop her people from continuing to kill them. People were getting hurt, Clarke, Bellamy and Monty had a few second decision to make save their people or let the Mountain people kill them. 

[blixie]

 

I do agree that the Arkers are trying to take control of everything

 

I don't get this "taking control of everything" the Grounder's don't OWN the fucking earth, they live in certain regions and choose to defend where they live and likewise the Ark stations, and The 100 do the same. Certainly the people who just landed there are at a strategic disadvantage, and it shows since there only 50 something left of the original hundred most murdered by Grounders, not Mountain Men. The point of the show is that no one has the moral high ground.

Since Skikru landed they have been seeking to survive, and make peace with those who were already there, and they have been rewarded with , murder, betrayal and war at every opportunity. I can not blame a single Skikru for being all: Fuck the Grounders, and obviously neither can Lincoln who was raised amongst them is still all: Fuck the Grounders.

 

I enjoyed the premiere and loved seeing Monty/Bellamy with Indra/Kane, that's a great little group, and I hope we continue to see more of Monty and how HE is dealing with Mt. Weather, since he more than anyone is responsible for the outcome, as the only one with the knowledge/power to irradiate the mountain.

 

Clarke got some from a Lexa look a like. Yay for her I guess but if htey want to bring on a love interest I can invest in please hire Margarita Levieva. 

[that one guy]

So you suggest they should have died from lack of oxygen on the Ark? Just to avoid upsetting people whose existence they had no idea about? Or killed themselves after learning about the Grounders?

 

What I'm saying is, you could turn the show on its head and make a show about the brave resistance of the Grounders against the invaders from space, without changing any of the facts of what happened, just the point of view. A whole show from, say, Lexa's point of view, with the Grounders portrayed as speaking plain English and the Skikru speaking a strange dialect, would be fascinating. The audience tends to identify with whoever is portrayed as the protagonist, and to discount the point of view of any adversaries. Some of my favorite shows, like this one, or Battlestar Galactica, or even Game of Thrones, work hard to challenge that, like good literature does.

 

The Sky People are essentially analogues for European settlers, with the Grounders as indigenous people and Mount Weather as corrupt local elites in the developing world. I think to a great extent the show is exploring themes of colonialism/imperialism quite intentionally. Clarke's a great protagonist, but for me she fits in a TV landscape filled with characters like Walter White and Hannibal Lecter. They're fascinating. But I wouldn't interpret them as heroes. I mean, the show's wiki "credits" Clarke with the deaths of roughly 800 people! There has to have been a better way than that. I think about the overrated story "the Cold Equations," in which a pilot is "forced" to blow a stowaway out the airlock because otherwise the extra mass would prevent the ship from being able to complete its journey. Author Damon Knight hilariously came up with a list of inanimate objects that were mentioned in the story with a mass that would have far exceeded that of the stowaway - why not chuck the desk or whatever out the airlock rather than the girl? It's nearly impossible to come up with a justification for killing innocent people even in fiction. I think we like these stories because they give us a safe place to examine our darkest impulses. Which is fine, but it's kind of missing the point to view the Sky People as good guys or even really neutral. Jasper's actions result in the deaths of several grounders in this episode. He wasn't being neutral or morally grey - he provoked a deadly confrontation either willfully, or with  a pathological disregard for the rights and well being of others. It's doubtful he will be tried, imprisoned or executed for his actions. If others in that Grounder clan had counterattacked and wiped out the patrol containing our protagonists there, wouldn't they have been justified?

[MostlyC]

This is a general reminder about our first rule on these forums: Be Civil to your fellow posters.

 

This board is house party where you can snark about the show, but not each other. If  you disagree with someone, agree to disagree and move on.  If you feel you cannot, you can Ignore them in your control panel.  If you feel they have violated the site rules, feel free to report them or PM me.

 

Back to the episode; Can someone tell me why Clarke is getting all the credit for the Mount Weather Battle? Bellamy helped pull the trigger, and Monty was their tech guy.  Why aren't the guys getting some of the "credit"  (aka getting stalked by Bounty Hunters) too?

[Agent Dark]

Back to the episode; Can someone tell me why Clarke is getting all the credit for the Mount Weather Battle? Bellamy helped pull the trigger, and Monty was their tech guy.  Why aren't the guys getting some of the "credit"  (aka getting stalked by Bounty) too?

Because as far as the Grounders are concerned, Clarke is the one who's in charge and calling the shots.  She's the one that burned their warriors and defeated the assault on the Drop Pod.  She's the one that first stepped up to negotiate with the Grounders when they assembled outside Camp Jaha.  She's the one that exacted Blood Must Have Blood on Finn for his crimes.  She's the one that was dealing directly with their Heda. She's the one that was coordinating strategy against Mt Weather.  And the last thing the Grounders saw before they retreated at Mt Weather was Clarke standing alone at the Gates. 

 

History always seems to remember that it was the daring actions of a brave few who made all the difference.  Reality is a bit different of course.  I mean its not like General 'Monty' Montgomery was the sole reason the Allies turned the tables back on Field Marshal Rommel (the Desert Fox) and his Afrika Korps in WWII.  But its the version people like to suggest, because it gives you a Hero to identify with.

[Sakura12]

Clarke is the one they see that speaks and acts on the behalf of the Skikru. Their actions are her actions.  And I don't think she'd give up their names and they are not saying they helped her either. Clarke's carrying the burden so they don't have too.

[kdm07]

Because as far as the Grounders are concerned, Clarke is the one who's in charge and calling the shots.  She's the one that burned their warriors and defeated the assault on the Drop Pod.  She's the one that first stepped up to negotiate with the Grounders when they assembled outside Camp Jaha.  She's the one that exacted Blood Must Have Blood on Finn for his crimes.  She's the one that was dealing directly with their Heda. She's the one that was coordinating strategy against Mt Weather.  And the last thing the Grounders saw before they retreated at Mt Weather was Clarke standing alone at the Gates. 

 

History always seems to remember that it was the daring actions of a brave few who made all the difference.  Reality is a bit different of course.  I mean its not like General 'Monty' Montgomery was the sole reason the Allies turned the tables back on Field Marshal Rommel (the Desert Fox) and his Afrika Korps in WWII.  But its the version people like to suggest, because it gives you a Hero to identify with.

 

Nicely done @Agent Dark and I agree :)

[blixie]

 

Because as far as the Grounders are concerned, Clarke is the one who's in charge

 

FWIW I'm not wondering why the Grounders perceive Clarke to be responsible for Mt Weather, that makes perfect sense, it's the writers pretending Clarke is the only one who made the decision and thus has to "cope" with any emotional fall out from the decision, case in point Jasper is pissed at Clarke, and seemingly less pissed at Monty though he'd have to know and understand that Monty was who made Mya's death happen, and he is far closer to Monty. Clarke couldn't do shit w/o Monty deciding it was worth doing to save his people. I do hope and expect we will see more from Monty and Bellamy's feelings about what they did, and for why, and I do understand Clarke is the leader and she has to wear it in a way they don't, so her journey and struggle is going to be preeminent. 

 

 

hey have invaded a land

 

No they haven't an "invasion" is a miltary offensive by a geopolitical entity with the objective of conquering and controlling, The 100 did not enact a military offensive, nor were they ever a geopolitical entity, and they certainly have never attempted to conquer or control the Grounders. Every single move they've made since they crash landed twice, has been defensive. 

 

 

starting wars and killing a whole bunch of people

 

That was the Grounders who killed a bunch of people and "started" a bunch of wars. The 100, followed by the rest of the Skikru, instead of waltzing in intent on subjugating the indigenous people, attempted MULTIPLE times to pursue diplomacy as a way to establish peaceful co-existance with the 12 clans. And again were betrayed and lied to every single time.

 

I think the Grounder's culture of shoot first and ask questions later is understandable in a vicious, dangerous post-Apocolyptic world, but that doesn't make them either morally or ethically right in how they've approached relations with the Skikru nor does it make the Skikru like Christopher freaking Columbus, (indeed the one reference to biological warfare was utilzed by the Grounders against The 100).

 

If there is any subtext to the show I don't think it's not about indigenous people v. oppressive invaders, it's about the religious and cultural beliefs that make your people better than everyone else, more deserving of place, the constant refrain of 12 clans amongst the Grounders and 12 countries on the Ark and in the Mountain? I saw the Skikru as returning to a homeland surrounded on all sides by enemies who rightfully believe and understand it to be their homeland as well, one they have far more right to than those who left long ago and have not had to suffer in the same kind of ways (though clearly they did suffer). 

Edited January 27, 2016 by blixie

[Duke Silver]

Seriously Jasper, get your shit right or just go wander off into the wilderness by yourself.

[ottoDbusdriver]

Am I the only one that thought when the Grounders said they were looking for 'Wanheda' thought they were looking for someone named 'Juanita'.  I thought "who the hell is Juanita" ?

[marinw]

What is up with Raven's leg?  Abby wants to give her ANOTHER operation?  Why?  I thought she'd lost use of her leg, surgery wasn't going to fix it  and the invention thing was what kept her mobile.

 

 

I'm guessing that the bone marrow extraction caused some further damage to her spine or something.

 

Considering how her last operation was done without any anesthetic I can't blame poor Raven for being less than enthusiastic about going under Abby's knife once more. But she seems to hate being an object of pity and is a very practical person, so maybe she will come around. 

 

On a much more shallow note, Lindsey Morgan is seriously beautiful.

 

My first comment here, by the way. I thought I had my fill of Post-Apocalyptic narratives, yet here I am. Thank you, Netflix Canada, for airing Season 3 in a timely manner. I look forward to watching the second episode tonight.

[Slider]

 

Back to the episode; Can someone tell me why Clarke is getting all the credit for the Mount Weather Battle? Bellamy helped pull the trigger, and Monty was their tech guy.  Why aren't the guys getting some of the "credit"  (aka getting stalked by Bounty Hunters) too?

This has always bothered me, because Clarke hasn't single handedly done shit on this show and gets way too much credit, to the point that it's almost unbelievable.

This show is trying too hard to say "Hey, we're progressive."  If you have to tell me, then it's not working.

[Sakura12]

^This was answered previously. The Grounders see Clarke as the leader of the Skikru, therefore if any one of her people does something it's on her. As well the the last thing the Grounders that were at Mount Weather saw was Clarke standing alone in front of the entrance of the mountain. None of them know what really happened and that is how myths and legends start anyway. It's built up and up until it seems almost mythical and godlike and NOT REAL. It makes perfect sense to me that the Grounders started to see Clarke as a mythical being that took down a mountain single handily. They believe their leaders reincarnate into the next leader. 

 

Clarke herself isn't acting like a mythical creature nor is she wanting anyone to think of her that way. Plus it was her idea, she asked Bellamy and Monty to help and they did. Yes, without Monty she couldn't have done it, but Monty also had to trust and listen to her to do it. She gave the kill order, he pressed the buttons and her and Bellamy pulled the switch. 

[Slider]

 

^This was answered previously.

 

People can answer whatever they want, I disagree.  That's why I said what I said.  I don't by into the myth defense.  It's crap.

[Sakura12]

People can answer whatever they want, I disagree.  That's why I said what I said.  I don't by into the myth defense.  It's crap.

 

Definition of a myth: 1:a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

2. A widely held but false belief or idea:

2.1. A misrepresentation of the truth:

2.2. An exaggerated or idealized conception of a person or thing:

 

That sounds like Clarke's story to me. An exaggerated, false, misrepresentation of the truth. That the Grounder are using to explain something they have no idea about. They are the only one that believe Clarke is a mythical being. No one else does. 

Edited January 29, 2016 by Sakura12

[MostlyC]

Rule 1 here at PTV is to play nice.   Think of yourself at a nice, formal cocktail party;  when someone disagrees with you, they don't throw a drink in your face; they smile, nod, and move on to a different topic of conversation, like bunnies.  Or the weather.

 

Let's not argue.  Agree to disagree respectfully and move on.

 

Seriously.

[shireenbamfatheon]

As well the the last thing the Grounders that were at Mount Weather saw was Clarke standing alone in front of the entrance of the mountain. None of them know what really happened and that is how myths and legends start anyway. It's built up and up until it seems almost mythical and godlike and NOT REAL. It makes perfect sense to me that the Grounders started to see Clarke as a mythical being that took down a mountain single handily. They believe their leaders reincarnate into the next leader. 

Wouldn't the logical conclusion then be that Bellamy wiped out the Mountain Men, since last the Grounders saw, he was the one who was actually inside Mt. Weather?

I can see what the writers are trying here and I really don't like it. From season two and onwards, this show can be summarized as "everyone collaborates to fix their problems and Clarke gets credit for it each and every time." The victory over the Grounders at the end of the first season was achieved through joint effort on several characters' parts: Bellamy, Clarke, RAVEN and Jasper, yet Clarke alone got credit for this, when Raven frickin made the bomb herself.

Finn and Octavia are the first among the Sky People to take initiation and propose a truce with the Grounders. Octavia even makes an effort to get to know Grounder culture and integrate into their society. Later, in season two, Kane risks his life to go on a diplomatic mission to make peace with the Grounders. He manages to convince Lexa to spare both him and Jaha by showing integrity. But then Lexa meets Clarke and Kane is relegated to Clarke's cheerleader #5 and Clarke becomes "the only thing holding this alliance together." 

The genocide of the Mountain Men too is a joint effort, with Bellamy, Monty and Clarke sharing repsonsibility for it. Yet Clarke doesn't just get credit for it, she's apparently the only one who gets to deal with the trauma something like that would cause. You'd think Monty "too pure for this world" Green would be suffering for the consequences of his actions, but instead he's angsting over his friend instead. 

It's really an annoying mixture of Clarke getting credit for everything, Clarke being superpowered, and other characters, POC especially, being there to prop up Clarke and her storyline. 

[AnnaMayWong]

Because as far as the Grounders are concerned, Clarke is the one who's in charge and calling the shots. She's the one that burned their warriors and defeated the assault on the Drop Pod. She's the one that first stepped up to negotiate with the Grounders when they assembled outside Camp Jaha. She's the one that exacted Blood Must Have Blood on Finn for his crimes. She's the one that was dealing directly with their Heda. She's the one that was coordinating strategy against Mt Weather. And the last thing the Grounders saw before they retreated at Mt Weather was Clarke standing alone at the Gates.

History always seems to remember that it was the daring actions of a brave few who made all the difference. Reality is a bit different of course. I mean its not like General 'Monty' Montgomery was the sole reason the Allies turned the tables back on Field Marshal Rommel (the Desert Fox) and his Afrika Korps in WWII. But its the version people like to suggest, because it gives you a Hero to identify with.

Whooowee❗ Now, THAT was good! Articulated very well.

[KaleyFirefly]

Oh, Jaha, you big bowl of crazy. 

 

Shut up, Jasper! Would you rather that the evil mountain guys killed all your friends and extracted your bone marrow? They had to make a hard choice, get over it already.

 

Octavia...why are you pushing away your hot boyfriend? Why??

 

Clarke -- what is your plan, exactly? To permanently be in exile so you can feel extra guilty all the time? Luckily, the goofy Grounder superstition about "Wanheda" should shake you out of your depressed misery.