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  1. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    Makes sense. It wasn't a fight. It was a lunge that lasted about 15 seconds.
  2. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    I don't think the cast and crew will get rough treatment. The only issue about the final season was the writing. It probably will be a very lovely goodbye. Although I would give D&D some credit if they did show up.
  3. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    But once again, that's complete speculation. If there was any proof D&D actually owned the rights at some point, any interviews or news reports, I would accept it. There isn't. It's HBO owned the rights and D&D developed it as exec producers. HBO wanted more episodes, D&D said no, HBO didn't want to go around their showrunners. That's usually a very commendable thing. But in this particular instance, it was a mistake as these showrunners clearly wanted out years ago and they delivered a substandard product in a shorter amount of time to make that happen. This might ultimately hurt the overall franchise. And HBO is still very much basing its future around this franchise.
  4. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    "They won the right" is not "they own the rights." Considering how fiercely protective GRRM is of the property, I can't imagine he just signed over the rights, willy-nilly.
  5. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    Not to sound too jerky, but that's complete speculation on your part, right? I haven't seen any proof that D&D ever actually owned the rights, just that they might have gotten GRRM's permission to pitch networks on adapting the series. The only thing I've seen for certain is that HBO owns the rights. And considering HBO's status as the creme de le creme of television networks (at least in 2008), the fact that D&D had no television experience to their name, that ASIOAF wasn't that big of a property back then, it's hard for me to imagine that D&D were able to lock themselves into a sweetheart deal like that.
  6. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    That sounds like a separate issue to me. I'm not sure where you got your information from, specifically that D&D still own the rights, any sources? Going off of the Game of Thrones wiki (which granted, not very solid): And here's something from Variety when the show was first picked up:
  7. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    George sold it to them, they sold it to HBO. No way a network wouldn't have the ability to take the show from a showrunner, with two guys had no television experience before GoT.
  8. loki567

    Game Of Thrones In The Media

    It's the only time I think the network would not only have been justified in taking a huge hit out of the showrunners' hands, but they probably should have. These guys were not Vince Gilligan. They weren't writers in the traditional sense ("themes are for eighth-grade book reports"). They were producers. Their job was to keep the train on time. At least until they decided they wanted to crash the train. D&D wanted to move on. Everybody else in the world wanted GoT to keep going. I know HBO views itself as an auteur paradise, but in this instance, they should have put their foot down, sent D&D off with a nice press release, and given GoT to a new showrunner, whether that be Cogman or whoever. Hell, maybe get GRRM.
  9. loki567

    S08.00: The Last Watch

    Lena Headey and Jerome Flynn literally had it in their contracts that they'd never have to share a scene together due to a bad break-up. I'm guessing he skipped table reads.
  10. Another point about Margaery surviving, it is possible that she could marry Bran? He'll need a queen. But it's unlikely they'll have any children. Ugh. Once again it racks my brain that GRRM would pick him for king. Just seems in the face of everything that comes before in the story that the lords of Westeros would pick the kid who can't produce a heir.
  11. I don't want to sound pro-Tyrion/Sansa because I'm not. But I believe there's a reason that Martin is keeping it in the audience's minds. By the time they meet again, there's going to be major character development on both sides and there was suppose to be the five-year time jump which would have made Sansa 17 or 18. Their relationship would have been on much more palatable ground for book readers to get behind it. Virtually all of the Tyrion/Sansa scenes in the show happened S3 and S4, and then it's dropped until they're reunited in S8. Even then, there was no definite conclusion to it. I think it was simply a case that D&D didn't want to write romantic scenes for Sophie Turner and Peter Dinklage. As for their marriage in GoT: Tyrion is whitewashed in the show, the writers didn't want any extra grief coming Sansa's way for being too anti-Tyrion, so the entire marriage was written in a more positive light. Like you said, the writers used rape as positive character development. What they might find empowering is completely different from what most people find empowering. As for Sansa finding love again, there was almost literally no one who could have been an acceptable choice (for the audience) in the last season. Either they were too old, related to her, or would have been completely out of left field. I guess she could have had a casual hook-up with Pod. The fact there are so few romantic options available for Sansa at the end of the story, is once again something that I think suggests Tyrion/Sansa.
  12. I don't agree that the show "propped up," Tyrion/Sansa. If anything, it's a much bigger deal in the books where several times it's mentioned that Tyrion and Sansa are still married and they still think about each other in their PoVs. The show completely dropped it after S4 besides their few interactions in S8. The books have a more middle ages sensibility about the marriage where child marriage is not such a big deal and Tyrion is in his 20s. The show has a more modern sensibility. Peter Dinklage was nearly 40 when the show started filming while Sophie Turner was 14. The writers never wanted to look at those two sharing scenes in a romantic context. And because of that, I'm also wondering if Sansa's ending might be completely different from the books to the screen and she remains married to Tyrion. I think the rape backlash from S5 led to the writers pushing hard on Sansa being a strong, powerful, independent woman. It's hard to imagine the ending goes down the same with The North alone being able to break off without Dorne or The Iron Islands doing the same thing. I think at the end of the story, The Seven Kingdoms will still be the Seven Kingdoms. D&D just wanted Sansa in some sort of a power position to counteract any sexism claims about women not having agency in the story.
  13. Cersei - I agree with the idea that Cersei's probably dead in a relatively short time in the books. Her bull in a china shop approach won't keep working and she's always been treated mainly as a nuisance to the smarter characters. Blowing up the Sept isn't going to be a masterstroke but probably the end of her. F!Aegon will take the city. Jaime - if Cersei does die early, then that will almost certainly change Jaime's story arc. He's done with her by the end of AFFC and so I think he'll survive her by a quite bit. He'll probably still die but it might be in a much more heroic context against the Others. Margaery - I'm really curious if Margaery might survive the story. She might die in the Sept explosion but that might also be a show-only invention. Natalie Dormer wanted out of the show for years and D&D have that tendency to kill characters they don't need any more for story purposes. I can't imagine the Tyrells will be completely wiped off the map in the books. Stannis/Littlefinger - these are the two characters I'm most curious in the role they'll play in how the story ends. They're major characters the show marginalized to an extreme degree. Stannis might be the one to actually free the North from the Boltons while Littlefinger has almost been positioned as the series' human big bad. How will Stannis react to Robb's will naming Jon as his heir? How will the burning of Shireen go down? How will Littlefinger react to Dany? I think these two will make into the last book at least.
  14. You sell the rights, you sell the rights. And without being too much of a morbid bastard about it, 10-15 years now George will be in his 80s. And I wonder if HBO came to him and said, "we want to make a 200 million dollar movie about the characters after GoT," if he even would step in the way of it. This is definitely not something I imagine happening any time soon but law of averages says a lot of the actors' careers are going to peak with GoT. A decade later, coming back to the series might sound a lot more appealing.
  15. Call me crazy but did anyone else get the vibe that show might have been leaving open the possibly of continuing years down the line? It seems unthinkable right now, but we live in an era of television where nothing is ever truly finished. I won't be shocked if HBO doesn't make another run at a movie, miniseries, or another season with the same cast, depending how everyone's career's going, 10-15 years from now. Everything is still so wildly open-ended from The White Walkers (That wasn't the REAL NIGHT'S KING) to Dany (a red priest resurrection anyone?) could be hand-waved without that much problem.
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