S05.E11: Why Can't We Just Get Along / S05.E12: Playing For Keeps

[larapu2000]

I understand they have outside time in jail, and that Michigan has sunny weather. I'm from northern Ohio, I get it.  It still seemed like a freakishly dark tan to me. But as someone else pointed out, he is Mexican and therefore tans really well. 

 

Sorry if it was your quote I referred to, there were others asking.  I thought maybe it was people from the south or the west coast asking because people from those areas seem to confuse the midwest with Alaska or even Canada sometimes.  LOL, Butch is Mexican??  I seriously would never have guessed in a million years.  Wow.

[GreatKazu]

Farrah: Why does she stick her butt out when walking? It looks really stupid. Not that she doesn't look ridiculous enough.

 

Didn't you catch her Farrah special last season? They repeated the airing a week or two ago. Farrah has butt implants. HUGE ones. She is not sticking out her ass. Her ass implants are sticking out because she chose the Nicki Minaj size.

[GreatKazu]

I understand they have outside time in jail, and that Michigan has sunny weather. I'm from northern Ohio, I get it.  It still seemed like a freakishly dark tan to me. But as someone else pointed out, he is Mexican and therefore tans really well. 

Not all Mexicans are able to tan easily or that dark. Many Hispanics, Latinos, etc. are light-skinned. Butch was very light-skinned in the earlier seasons of Teen Mom. I just Googled photos of him and he was definitely light-skinned. Him being tanned has more to do with him being in prison and being outdoors in the prison yard. When Butch is not in prison, he is inside doing drugs, drinking, and likely being a lazy ass. Prison life is boring as hell unless one gets involved in prison life such as school, work, or being out in the yard. My bet is he was in the yard on a daily simply by looking at how bulked up he became. Prison yards, for the most part, is where the weigh-lifting equipment is located. Butch lifted weights outdoors and therefore got a tan. It is not his Mexican roots that helped that tan.

[lezlers]

Right. I remember the first dress and the fitting scene.  I just could have sworn I heard her say she bought the dress six years ago. I didn't think it was that long ago.

 

Except Cate mentioned she never lost the weight from her first pregnancy. Cate actually said, "I couldn't fit into the dress because of all the weight I put on from BOTH pregnancies." (paraphrasing). How long ago was that first pregnancy? It's one thing to try and fit into a wedding dress or any clothes a few months after giving birth. But, if one is planning to wear a wedding dress that they bought four years prior and then went and had another baby after having bought that wedding dress, then Cate should have 1) lost the weight from this pregnancy or 2) buy another wedding dress.

 

Cate mentioning the weight gain and never losing it is just another reminder, to me, of how she is not very motivated or serious about losing any weight. 

 

ETA: Had to fix errors in post.

 

Oh, I totally agree there was no way in hell she was ever fitting into that dress.  I'm also confused about her saying "after having two babies."   Didn't we see her buy that dress?  I don't remember.  If so, that would've been AFTER she was pregnant with Carly. 

 

Either way, I was sad for her watching her do that fitting.  No bride to be should have to go to her fitting by herself.  I was glad the producer and cameraman were so cool with her and excited for her. 

Edited January 7, 2016 by lezlers

[njmama]

What do Cate and Tyler do exactly, other than suck off the MTV teat?? Didn't Ty have this master plan that he'd go to college while she stayed home with baby then once he graduated, she'd go? Which, even then, no one is really 'working'. So infuriating watching these people just laying around, going out to eat with no mention of a job other than Farrah which says something. The girl is a hustler and a horrible person, don't get me wrong.

Ryan definitely had salt pepper hair going on but he's still hot with his lazy ass self.

[MsSilverSpecs]

Didn't you catch her Farrah special last season? They repeated the airing a week or two ago. Farrah has butt implants. HUGE ones. She is not sticking out her ass. Her ass implants are sticking out because she chose the Nicki Minaj size.

No I missed that! Geez well that explains it. It looks really stupid on her. That girl messed herself up.

[FlowerofCarnage]

For those of us who can't get enough of Butch, MTV gave him a sort of spin-off:

 

http://theashleysrealityroundup.com/2016/01/06/butch-baltierra-breaks-it-down-reveals-thoughts-on-teen-mom-farrah-abrahams-latest-antics/

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Right. I remember the first dress and the fitting scene. I just could have sworn I heard her say she bought the dress six years ago. I didn't think it was that long ago.

Except Cate mentioned she never lost the weight from her first pregnancy. Cate actually said, "I couldn't fit into the dress because of all the weight I put on from BOTH pregnancies." (paraphrasing). How long ago was that first pregnancy? It's one thing to try and fit into a wedding dress or any clothes a few months after giving birth. But, if one is planning to wear a wedding dress that they bought four years prior and then went and had another baby after having bought that wedding dress, then Cate should have 1) lost the weight from this pregnancy or 2) buy another wedding dress.

Cate mentioning the weight gain and never losing it is just another reminder, to me, of how she is not very motivated or serious about losing any weight.

ETA: Had to fix errors in post.

I'm pretty sure that in the time between when TM ended before TMOG started and Cate got pregnant with Nova, she did Weight Watchers and lost a significant amount of weight. She just gained it back prior to TMOG, while pregnant, and after her pregnancy.

There are obviously some addiction issues in Catelynn's family (see: April), which can be genetic. I have family members with addiction issues all over both sides of my family. While most of them had alcohol addictions or a few with substance abuse problems, I feel like the way the addiction gene has manifested in me (and some of my cousins) is through food addiction. I bet that's how it's manifesting in Catelynn, too.

I gained 55 lbs while pregnant (granted, I had a nearly ten pound baby and went overdue by almost two weeks). And I was in good shape - a size six, ran 20 miles/wk when I got pregnant and continued to run 18-20 miles a week for most of my pregnancy. A year later, I'd lost 40 of those 55 lbs and still haven't lost those extra fifteen 13 months out, even though I'm back up to running like I used to, etc. I'm not gonna hate on Catelynn for still carrying pregnancy weight eight months after giving birth, especially given that she probably does ALL of Nova's care by herself while Tyler instagrams and that she was depressed. She looked gorgeous in her wedding dress in the pictures I saw of her wedding day. I hope she eventually gets healthy, but sorry - eight months postpartum and dealing with postpartum depression, I'm not gonna snark on her weight.

Edited January 7, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[lidarose9]

Re: Butch's ethnicity. Isn't his last name Baltierra? Isn't that Italian?

[Snarky McSnarky]

What do Cate and Tyler do exactly, other than suck off the MTV teat?? Didn't Ty have this master plan that he'd go to college while she stayed home with baby then once he graduated, she'd go? Which, even then, no one is really 'working'. 

 

According to Linkedin:

 

tyler baltierra

Reality TV Personality/Author at Baltierra Enterprises

Saint Clair, Michigan   Entertainment

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tyler-baltierra-554281109

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Baltierra is of Spanish origin and is a Hispanic last name (not necessarily Mexican; for example, there's a popular Uruguayan soccer player with the last name Baltierra who is easily googled).

http://www.heraldrysinstitute.com/cognomi/Baltierra/Spain/idc/635740/lang/en/

(Info is in Spanish)

Baltierra is another form of the Spanish last name Valtierra ("B" and "V" sound similar in Spanish). If you're an ancestry.com member, there's plenty of info on Baltierra/Valtierra and the history/origin of this Spanish last name. http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.baltierra/1.2.8/mb.ashx

To get more specific, Baltierra/Valtierra is probably actually a common Basque last name: "Valtierra Name Meaning Basque: habitational name from Valtierra, a village in Navarre province." http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=valtierra

The Basque have their own autonomous region of Spain and their language (and genetic history) is quite different from that of most Spaniards. You can easily go down a rabbit hole online looking at the Basque. In my experience, the Basque are generally taller and look more like what people often think of as northern/Western European stereotypes as far as coloring and height than Mediterranean Spaniards. Most Basque men I've met are reasonably tall like Butch, who is listed on the link below as 5'11".

The Michigan Dept of Corrections (or whatever it's called) has Butch's "racial background" listed as Hispanic. http://mdocweb.state.mi.us/otis2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=262573

ETA: Sorry to bore ya'll with all this info on Butch's last name and background. I'm (obviously) a genealogy/history/linguistics/anthropology nerd.

Edited January 7, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[GreatKazu]

Tyler had himself listed as Hispanic on his former MySpace page back when he first appeared on 16 & Pregnant.

 

I want to clarify. I hope my comments about Cate's weight are not taken as "hate". I can't hate someone for having weight issues. I can snark and I can give my opinion, but hate is definitely not my feeling. If she attended Weight Watchers and lost weight, good for her. However, she herself said on the show last night  she no longer fit into her dress because she "had not lost any of her baby weight from her TWO pregnancies."  She wasn't saying since giving birth to Nova.  She has been planning this wedding for a very long time now. For her to think she would fit into her dress that she bought over four years ago, and right after having a baby, is ridiculous. Of course I wouldn't expect a good majority of females to not lose baby weight, but I don't know how many of them bought a dress over four years ago when they were a smaller size, had a baby since then, and had a wedding date set for 7 months later. Eating a steady diet of salt, chicken, and pizza definitely doesn't help with her weight or her health.

Edited January 7, 2016 by GreatKazu

[fetching]

My husband walked in on my watching the last five minutes of the second episode - Farrah reaming her mother out while asking her a huge favor - and pronounced this "the worst thing on television." I'm pretty sure he doesn't respect me quite as much as he did yesterday.

 

I just read this to my husband and we both cracked up, he said "yup, I'm pretty much with him." He has sci-fi friday where he watches all his crappy space shows with people wearing bad make up and spandex, and I have my trash talk TV. It works. 

[luvly]

I think Catelynn conflates general becoming-an-adult weight gain with baby weight. Like MyPeopleAreNordic said, she lost weight while on Weight Watchers but even then she still said she had 20 more pounds to go. She probably never got back down to her pre-Carly weight, because she wasn't a 16 year old girl anymore, then gained more weight with Nova and just lumps it all together as "baby weight".

[SPLAIN]

Hey, Bentley is back on the show with the porn star. Maci needs money.

 

I don't believe Maci had any good intentions when she invited Ryan to the mud run. I think she acts all nice to him knowing he is going to fail and she can then pat herself on the back and point out how Ryan has failed again as a father. I am always commenting how these people should be courteous to one another for the sake of the kids. Maci acts nice, but then slams Ryan once he has failed her expectations. Ryan has been the same guy for the past 7 years. Either she is stupid as fuck or she is milking this Ryan-is-a-douchebag parent story line to death because she thinks it  makes her look better by contrast. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

 

I can't stand Butch. Don't like him one bit. He brings nothing.

 

Poor Leah. My heart breaks for that poor child. She is speaking her mind. Unless she is reading this forum, she is probably hearing the adults talking around her about how Amber is lazy and sleeps all day.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I don't believe Maci had any good intentions when she invited Ryan to the mud run. I think she acts all nice to him knowing he is going to fail and she can then pat herself on the back and point out how Ryan has failed again as a father. I am always commenting how these people should be courteous to one another for the sake of the kids. Maci acts nice, but then slams Ryan once he has failed her expectations. Ryan has been the same guy for the past 7 years. Either she is stupid as fuck or she is milking this Ryan-is-a-douchebag parent story line to death because she thinks it makes her look better by contrast. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Eh, what other storyline does Maci have besides "Ryan is a douche" and "Taylor doesn't wanna marry me" (a storyline in which she looks stupid for procreating with another dude)? Maci's segments bore me to tears. I think she just doesn't have much going on if her major storyline is STILL "Rhyne is disinterested in Bint-lee and doesn't like me" (and it's the storyline that makes her look "better" by default).

And....

Kazu- didn't mean to call you out or imply I thought you were being mean about Catelynn's weight. I just meant that I cannot bring myself to snark on her weight.

Edited January 7, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[lidarose9]

I think Simon was hiding in the men's room through most of the wedding trying to avoid Farrah. The MTV people sent in an undercover producer to corner him in the bathroom and offer him money to have lunch with the Beast and pretend to like her. Farrah made up all that shit about having fun at the wedding. As well as sending herself flowers. The look on Simon's face told the truth. She is a heinous horrible person and no amount of skanky pussy can make up for that.

[leighroda]

Oh, that Farrah is just psycho! WTF is her deal, anyway? She really needs to get to the bottom of her anger because it is consuming her and everyone she comes in contact with. When Sophia was hitting her it was so very satisfying, I was thinking to myself "harder, harder!"

Maybe I've been watching too much 20/20 lately but when Leah was complaining that she didn't want to stay with Amber my thoughts went to possible discomfort with Matt. But yeah, Gary is a total manipulator. Unrelated, I wonder when Gary will have his heart attack because, to look at him, it's not a matter of "IF" but more a matter of "WHEN".

Does anyone else see a resemblance between Catelynn's new daughter and Leah Messer's (TM2) younger daughter, Addalynn (sp?)?

I'm a little lost with Maci wanting to take some weekend visits away from Ryan. I understand that Ryan doesn't show up, but what about the grandparents? Why wouldn't Maci want Bentley to spend that time with his grandparents? I can't see that first grade is going to involve that much homework that Bentley will miss study time. And man, that Ryan really is a useless lump.

First of all, I thought I was crazy that I thought Addie and Novalee looked alike, but at the same time I have never thought Addie was a particularly cute baby, but I do think Novalee is cute (in some pictures I've seen) so that's kinda weird that I think thy look alike but I find one cuter.

And as far as Maci and the custody thing, it doesn't surprise me that she wants to do everyother weekend, this is the same girl who dropped a semesters worth of classes because she wanted to stay home and play with Bentley and Kyle. I'm a little more ok with this agreement though because since Bentley is now in school full time I can understand that she really probably only gets a couple hours a day on weekdays to see him, and those hours are probably spent doing homework/bathing/dinner. It's understandable to want some unstructured time on the weekends.

[qtpye]

So...does Maci have her Associates Degree, yet?  I think her Linkin said she had.

[Tatum]

Although the logistics baffle me (Maci said in 2014 she was set to graduate in May of 2015, but then she dropped out of the spring 2015 semester) Maci has gone on record in numerous sources saying she has completed her AA. If anybody needs to know the most effective way to advertise via Twitter, Maci is your gal.

[Elizabeth9]

So Catelynn and Tyler had their bachelor/ette parties together? Cannot they do ANYTHING separately?

Farrah could have sent herself one bouquet of flowers instead of what, 10?

Maci...zzzzzzzzz who cares

Amber- she can drink but she canno take legal prescription drugs?

[EuropeanGirl]

Ryan definitely had salt pepper hair going on but he's still hot with his lazy ass self.

 

I don't know what it is with me, but whenever his scenes finish, I think to myself - God, he's still hot! He's a lazy and lousy dad, alright, and I don't like it,  but his looks are stopping me for hating him more, I'll admit it.

 

I just want to comment on two things:

Farrah - I think she is a very unhappy person deep inside. She seems annoyed before someone even speaks to her! Maybe it's the people she's surrounded by, I don't know. Her tone is all up-in-your-face-I-know-all-that-don't-patronize-me every.single.moment. .I know her mother isn't a saint, but she was really mean to her in that babysitting scene and I think Farrah is probably like that to her and most people 100% of the time. I was sorry for the guy she got set up with, but even if he was her type (whatever that is), she'd still be like: Mom, on the one hand I still think how dare you set me up with someone, but on the other hand (be free to continue with your own choice of words). Sophia already has some serious behavioral and limits issues. When she said that Debra was annoying, I thought - Wow, she didn't say she didn't like her as much or that she was no fun, but that she was annoying. What kind of kid at that age says that about an adult? I wonder from whom she must have heard it from.

 

Amber - I actually don't think Gary had a lot to do with Leah's behavior. Remember when Amber was sleeping and Matt and Leah were having breakfast (and he asked about whether he can propose)? If my memory isn't wrong, Amber was sleeping then. Sure, it could have been staged, but from what Leah said about Amber's sleeping in, it kind of made sense to me. I believed her. It's not like she wasn't lazy on the previous seasons and then Leah's statement took us by surprise. I think Amber went for and explored every outside theory and reason for Leah's behavior instead of talking to her. I don't think she should get custody, because she is still her fun aunt. Not to mention how being one week at one home and next week on the other would cause chaos and confusion for Leah. As for Gary, I'm sad that he didn't spend time with her at Disney. It's obvious she wants to spend time with both of them, but maybe once she figured that Amber slept in most of the time, she didn't want to go there and be only with Matt? Maybe I sound naive or I'm not looking much into it, but at the end of the day, Leah seemed honest to me and I took it as it is. Gary is no prize, but she is better off with him.

I pray that Amber's wedding will not happen somehow.

 

Edited January 7, 2016 by EuropeanGirl

[SnarkKitty]

Darn, I didn't realize that there were two episodes on. Anyway, I assumed Farrah took those flowers from the wedding and wrote the note to herself. Also, I'm kind of of a shower fanatic but I thought that it was gross that Farrah went to the zoo and then went out to dinner in the same dress.

I want to see the look on Brandon and Teresa's face when Butch hands Carley his handmade prison doll.

 

Are you speaking of the dress that was the same color as the parrot's "fur?"

 

Ha!! Not gonna lie, I would have loved to see a slo-mo of Butch's hair flowing as he walked, then having him shake it out as he got into the car - scene scored with the intro baseline of Barry White's I'm Gonna Love You Just A Little Bit More, Baby.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YChL6tQvcY

 

Please, almighty God, could someone, anyone, just slap Farrah across her smug face and shut her the hell up? No one is ever allowed to speak to her without incurring her wrath. If I were in the same room with Farrah and she pulled that rude, condescending cross-talk I would be unable to stop myself from grabbing her by the throat and slamming her up against a wall. I do not advocate violence but, damn, that girl needs to learn to shut up and play nice with others.

 

 

Since we're forced to put up with her, I pray that MTV is there the day Farrah meets her match and someone snatches her by her edges and gets her all the way together. I need to see the look on her face when she sees that everyone won't take her shit, and serves it right back to her.

 

I volunteer to both slap and snatch. She's so unbelievably horrible, and I can't believe her parents put up with it and kowtow to her. Yeah, there's a little reaping what they've sown, but still! That shit is just crazy to me. I don't know why they would be afraid of not seeing Mowglita (hilarious!) again; Farrah would ultimately be right back at it as soon as she ran out of people who would put up with her or her daughter for more than 10 minutes. I'm starting to think it's more about missing the residual fame than the kid, tho. Still, I do feel somewhat bad for Sophia, she didn't stand a chance with Crazypants as her mother, and everything she is is a product of being around that dysfunction. I cringe to see her sitting between Farrah and Deborah (or anyone, really) and how she curses and behaves so rudely with her right in the middle of it all. 

 

Farrah talks to people any old kind of way - she really needs to come across someone who is not here for her shit. I could be that somebody. I suspect her sister is also that somebody, which is why she's never on camera and you never read about them out together, or Sophia staying with her, and she has kids too. 

 

Also, WTF with the ranting at the camera, texting and driving???!! Why didn't they tell her to knock it off? It wasn't even a case of an empty road, you could clearly see traffic on all sides, and fairly close too. She was bitching about Simon, driving with one hand and looking down and texting with the other. I won't lie, I was low-key hoping she'd lose control of the car and run into a ditch, smacking that face she paid for into the steering wheel and getting a good scare (but not hurting anyone else). Don't text and drive, dumbass!!

[lezlers]

I'm pretty sure that in the time between when TM ended before TMOG started and Cate got pregnant with Nova, she did Weight Watchers and lost a significant amount of weight. She just gained it back prior to TMOG, while pregnant, and after her pregnancy.

There are obviously some addiction issues in Catelynn's family (see: April), which can be genetic. I have family members with addiction issues all over both sides of my family. While most of them had alcohol addictions or a few with substance abuse problems, I feel like the way the addiction gene has manifested in me (and some of my cousins) is through food addiction. I bet that's how it's manifesting in Catelynn, too.

I gained 55 lbs while pregnant (granted, I had a nearly ten pound baby and went overdue by almost two weeks). And I was in good shape - a size six, ran 20 miles/wk when I got pregnant and continued to run 18-20 miles a week for most of my pregnancy. A year later, I'd lost 40 of those 55 lbs and still haven't lost those extra fifteen 13 months out, even though I'm back up to running like I used to, etc. I'm not gonna hate on Catelynn for still carrying pregnancy weight eight months after giving birth, especially given that she probably does ALL of Nova's care by herself while Tyler instagrams and that she was depressed. She looked gorgeous in her wedding dress in the pictures I saw of her wedding day. I hope she eventually gets healthy, but sorry - eight months postpartum and dealing with postpartum depression, I'm not gonna snark on her weight.

 

Preach!  I used to be a runner, too.  Gained 80 lbs with my first (was also a 10 pound baby) and miraculously lost it by the time I went back to work.  However the second time around was a COMPLETELY different story.  I suffered a major back injury and my youngest was much more high needs than my first was.  A year later and I'm just now starting to shed the weight.  People keep saying she doesn't work.  So what? She's home caring for her infant!  Most mothers aren't working during that time.  Cate doesn't have a great support system and even though this was her second pregnancy, it's her first time as a new mother caring for a newborn, all while planning a wedding.  Give the girl a break, already. 

[EuropeanGirl]

I read Mowglita again today and almost cried out of laughter (and I'm usually a tough crowd). That gives Carl a run for his money.

[ghoulina]

Farrah - I think she is a very unhappy person deep inside. She seems annoyed before someone even speaks to her! Maybe it's the people she's surrounded by, I don't know. Her tone is all up-in-your-face-I-know-all-that-don't-patronize-me every.single.moment. .I know her mother isn't a saint, but she was really mean to her in that babysitting scene and I think Farrah is probably like that to her and most people 100% of the time. I was sorry for the guy she got set up with, but even if he was her type (whatever that is), she'd still be like: Mom, on the one hand I still think how dare you set me up with someone, but on the other hand (be free to continue with your own choice of words). Sophia already has some serious behavioral and limits issues. When she said that Debra was annoying, I thought - Wow, she didn't say she didn't like her as much or that she was no fun, but that she was annoying. What kind of kid at that age says that about an adult? I wonder from whom she must have heard it from.

 

Farrah is definitely an unhappy person. It would be one thing if she lashed out at her mother, because I know there is a history there and Debra hasn't always been kind to Farrah. But she is immediately rude to almost everyone! That guy on the boat, it wasn't his fault Debra tried to play matchmaker. He was very nice and she was a perfect arse to him. Sophia is a horribly behaved little girl. I definitely thought she was repeating Farrah when she called her Grandma annoying - like she was trying to please Farrah by agreeing with her. Because, yea, most kids that age don't find their grandparents annoying. 

[Snarky McSnarky]

I can't find the question, but someone asked what "LION" means on Debra Danielson Linkedin page.

 

According to Google, "The acronym L-I-O-N stands for LinkedIn Open Networker. LIONs are LinkedIn members open to networking with everyone, previously known or not. The LION generally accepts every invitation request to connect or, at the least, will not click the “I Don't Know” button in response to an invitation."

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/debradanielsen

[qtpye]

Maybe someone should connect with her on Linkin and ask her how she is enjoying playing "the part" of Farrah's mother.  It does not seem she would refuse.

 

I wonder if you asked Debra about her relationship with Farrah what she would say.  I feel like she is delusional enough to claim Farrah and her are best friends and have a great relationship?  For some reason I would not be surprised.

[Elizabeth9]

Preach! I used to be a runner, too. Gained 80 lbs with my first (was also a 10 pound baby) and miraculously lost it by the time I went back to work. However the second time around was a COMPLETELY different story. I suffered a major back injury and my youngest was much more high needs than my first was. A year later and I'm just now starting to shed the weight. People keep saying she doesn't work. So what? She's home caring for her infant! Most mothers aren't working during that time. Cate doesn't have a great support system and even though this was her second pregnancy, it's her first time as a new mother caring for a newborn, all while planning a wedding. Give the girl a break, already.

Plus she said she has postpartum depression

[gunderda]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but on Bentley's first day of school Maci said SHE had to work so they had to drop Jayde off at daycare.

 

Anyone know what job that might actually be??  did she actually go out and get herself a regular job??

[poeticlicensed]

What do Cate and Tyler do exactly, other than suck off the MTV teat?? Didn't Ty have this master plan that he'd go to college while she stayed home with baby then once he graduated, she'd go? Which, even then, no one is really 'working'.

According to Linkedin:

tyler baltierra
Reality TV Personality/Author at Baltierra Enterprises
Saint Clair, Michigan   Entertainment

https://www.linkedin...ierra-554281109

 

So basically he does NOTHING except MTV. Reality star my ass. It's gonna be very rude awakening for those two when the MTV cameras go away. 

[qtpye]

The funny thing is Cate and Tyler do not even lead an extravagant lifestyle.  They bought their house as a short sale and it cost less then a small car (the supposedly live in a very economically depressed area).  What is going to drain them is their huge family.  I doubt, besides Tyler's mom, anyone else is gainfully employed.

 

I mean who is going to pay for a lawyer the next time Butch is arrested?  Who is going to pay for April's divorce when this husband does not work out?  Who is going to pay for school when Tyler decides he wants to be a social worker/ film maker/ actor. That's right...Cate.  The funny thing is she is so sweet she is not even bitter about it (unlike Farrah).

[Brooklynista]

The funny thing is Cate and Tyler do not even lead an extravagant lifestyle.  They bought their house as a short sale and it cost less then a small car (the supposedly live in a very economically depressed area).  What is going to drain them is their huge family.  I doubt, besides Tyler's mom, anyone else is gainfully employed.

 

I mean who is going to pay for a lawyer the next time Butch is arrested?  Who is going to pay for April's divorce when this husband does not work out?  Who is going to pay for school when Tyler decides he wants to be a social worker/ film maker/ actor. That's right...Cate.  The funny thing is she is so sweet she is not even bitter about it (unlike Farrah).

No Cate isn't bitter but by the end of it this poor girl won't have any fingers left. Instead of having a really good cleansing by raging at Tyler for stringing her along for years or at April being a shit mother, this poor girl is chewing the shit out of her fingernails.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I can't find the question, but someone asked what "LION" means on Debra Danielson Linkedin page.

According to Google, "The acronym L-I-O-N stands for LinkedIn Open Networker. LIONs are LinkedIn members open to networking with everyone, previously known or not. The LION generally accepts every invitation request to connect or, at the least, will not click the “I Don't Know” button in response to an invitation."

https://www.linkedin.com/in/debradanielsen

It was me who asked it in the Farrah thread where I posted about Debra's and Farrah's LinkedIn profiles, which are umm......interesting, to say the least.

Thanks for explaining what LIONS is. Yep, sounds like we should address all further questions to Debra......

Do Catelynn's (bio) dad and her younger (half?) brother who uses a wheelchair still live with Cate & Tyler?

And where is Nick's bio dad? I think it's sweet that his ex-stepdad Butch considers him his son and brought him a sock puppet and all, but I mean....I hope Nick has a bio dad somewhere who has his life more together than Butch. Good for Butch for subscribing to the notion that you divorce spouses not (step)kids, but the whole situation is weird given that Butch went to. Jail for beating Nick's mom. And I'm not sure if I was April I'd be okay with my son visiting with his ex-stepdad who beat the shit out of me. Weird situation all together. It's obvious Nick cares about Butch, so I hope he's able to keep his act together for him and the other kids/grandkids.

Edited January 7, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[CaliforniaLove]

Is Bintlee already in college? That's the only way I could understand having such difficulty meeting up to see him off to class....I know Ryan also basically admitted to just not giving a shit, but his throw-in of how DIFFICULT it would be to find them in the first place just seemed odd.

 

If you close your eyes during Sophia's scenes, I swear it's actually Danny from The Shining when he gets possessed. "Red rum!! REDRUUUUUM!!!".

[Snarky McSnarky]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but on Bentley's first day of school Maci said SHE had to work so they had to drop Jayde off at daycare.

 

Anyone know what job that might actually be??  did she actually go out and get herself a regular job??

As mentioned upthread, she works for Check In To Cash:

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/maci-bookout-086b7290

[missy jo]

Tyler wants to support Butch's sobriety, but is going to have him tag along on a night of partying? Does not compute.

IMO, Farrah has one or more incurable personality disorders, whether NPD, borderline, or sociopathy. Sofia was hitting in order to stand up for her grandmother. I suspect there's been a lot of hitting in that family over the three generations.

Lastly, Amber needs to get on medication for bipolar disorder immediately. She's not functional, and can't get a sentence out without losing her temper.

Those medications aren't addictive, whereas she's talking about feeling tempted to use just because Leah didn't come over on one day. "Why did I even go to prison?" Wow.

[lezlers]

It was me who asked it in the Farrah thread where I posted about Debra's and Farrah's LinkedIn profiles, which are umm......interesting, to say the least.

Thanks for explaining what LIONS is. Yep, sounds like we should address all further questions to Debra......

Do Catelynn's (bio) dad and her younger (half?) brother who uses a wheelchair still live with Cate & Tyler?

And where is Nick's bio dad? I think it's sweet that his ex-stepdad Butch considers him his son and brought him a sock puppet and all, but I mean....I hope Nick has a bio dad somewhere who has his life more together than Butch. Good for Butch for subscribing to the notion that you divorce spouses not (step)kids, but the whole situation is weird given that Butch went to. Jail for beating Nick's mom. And I'm not sure if I was April I'd be okay with my son visiting with his ex-stepdad who beat the shit out of me. Weird situation all together. It's obvious Nick cares about Butch, so I hope he's able to keep his act together for him and the other kids/grandkids.

 

This is April we're talking about.  I seriously doubt Nick's dad is any better than Butch.

[ebkitty]

Tyler wants to support Butch's sobriety, but is going to have him tag along on a night of partying? Does not compute.

IMO, Farrah has one or more incurable personality disorders, whether NPD, borderline, or sociopathy. Sofia was hitting in order to stand up for her grandmother. I suspect there's been a lot of hitting in that family over the three generations.

Lastly, Amber needs to get on medication for bipolar disorder immediately. She's not functional, and can't get a sentence out without losing her temper.

Those medications aren't addictive, whereas she's talking about feeling tempted to use just because Leah didn't come over on one day. "Why did I even go to prison?" Wow.

Agreed hitting is a learned behavior, I feel for Sophia, she is in for rough road.

I couldn't believe Amber either, what was going to prison for!! Well duh Amber you committed a crime, prison is a consequence, not a parenting program. Amber screams red flags with the denials about prison, her being sober but drinking, can't talk to her without her freaking out, laying in bed or on the couch all day long, leaving care of her child to a stranger, I hope she got visitations worked out, but that Gary is still primary parent.

[SPLAIN]

Preach!  I used to be a runner, too.  Gained 80 lbs with my first (was also a 10 pound baby) and miraculously lost it by the time I went back to work.  However the second time around was a COMPLETELY different story.  I suffered a major back injury and my youngest was much more high needs than my first was.  A year later and I'm just now starting to shed the weight.  People keep saying she doesn't work.  So what? She's home caring for her infant!  Most mothers aren't working during that time.  Cate doesn't have a great support system and even though this was her second pregnancy, it's her first time as a new mother caring for a newborn, all while planning a wedding.  Give the girl a break, already. 

I think we all can go around talking about our weight gains during pregnancy, weight issues or lack thereof.  Some of us have struggled with weight and some of us haven't had such problems. The difference with us and Cate is, she is the one on a hit tv show, getting paid good money to put herself out there and to invite us into her life. She is the one who has pointed out her weight issues time and time again. I am not on television trying to fit into a wedding dress that was bought prior to a second pregnancy. None of us are on television shaking a gallon of salt on our greasy, unhealthy food after being told we have diabetes. She is the one who orders pizza and eats it. She is the one who wanted to so badly fit into that wedding dress. She didn't anticipate getting PPD after giving birth, but she surely did know she had weight issues long before she was ever pregnant. 

 

 

People keep saying she doesn't work.  So what? She's home caring for her infant!  Most mothers aren't working during that time.

Great excuse for the last year, but what did Cate do prior to ever becoming pregnant aside from sitting around and fantasize about the day she would marry Tyler? All the things they said they were going to do, didn't happen. 

 

 

No Cate isn't bitter but by the end of it this poor girl won't have any fingers left. Instead of having a really good cleansing by raging at Tyler for stringing her along for years or at April being a shit mother, this poor girl is chewing the shit out of her fingernails.

Preach.

 

All that effort, and money, into planning a wedding could have been better spent on a good therapist and figuring out what the hell she is going to do with the rest of her life when Tyler and MTV are no longer part of her life. 

 

Speaking of weight, I watched the Teen Mom special that aired a few weeks back and I can't believe how much bigger Gary has become. During the special they showed a scene between Amber and Gary. Back then I thought he was huge. Looking at that scene again, he didn't seem that huge compared to how he looks now. I seriously hope he gets help for that weight. That is not at all good. As someone else pointed out, he does look like he is about to explode. His heart can't be at all healthy. 

Edited January 8, 2016 by SPLAIN

[NikSac]

Is Bintlee already in college? That's the only way I could understand having such difficulty meeting up to see him off to class....I know Ryan also basically admitted to just not giving a shit, but his throw-in of how DIFFICULT it would be to find them in the first place just seemed odd

 

I took it as it being DIFFICULT to get up sooooo early to then have to find them. As in, he might even have to get up extra early just to look for them in the parking lot. And yeah, he doesn't care.

Speaking of weight, I watched the Teen Mom special that aired a few weeks back and I can't believe how much bigger Gary has become. During the special they showed a scene between Amber and Gary. Back then I thought he was huge. Looking at that scene again, he didn't seem that huge compared to how he looks now. I seriously hope he gets help for that weight. That is not at all good. As someone else pointed out, he does look like he is about to explode. His heart can't be at all healthy. 

 

I know!  I was kind of shocked when I saw him. He previously tried out for Biggest Loser (allegedly) right?  Is he now shooting for 600 lb. Life instead? Anything to stay on teevee?

[GreatKazu]

 

 

I know!  I was kind of shocked when I saw him. He previously tried out for Biggest Loser (allegedly) right?  Is he now shooting for 600 lb. Life instead? Anything to stay on teevee?

 

I had the same thought about the 600 lb. show, too. 

 

 

Great excuse for the last year, but what did Cate do prior to ever becoming pregnant aside from sitting around and fantasize about the day she would marry Tyler? All the things they said they were going to do, didn't happen.

Exactly. Cate did a helluva lot of talking about going to college and making herself a better life. Well, she sure played that shit up, didn't she? You know, I am all about mothers staying home and caring for their babies and all, but seriously, how ridiculous this sounds when we think about what Tyler is doing, which is nada! They buy a house. They have a baby. They have a lavish wedding. That shit right there still makes me roll my eyes so hard. Neither one works or is in school. Are they not thinking long-term here? Oh, forget it. This is Cate and Tyler we are talking about. For them, long-term planning is figuring out when the pizza coupons expire. 

Edited January 8, 2016 by GreatKazu

[ghoulina]

Is Bintlee already in college? That's the only way I could understand having such difficulty meeting up to see him off to class....I know Ryan also basically admitted to just not giving a shit, but his throw-in of how DIFFICULT it would be to find them in the first place just seemed odd.

 

His excuses were so lame and totally confusing. All I heard was - "I'd have to get out of bed before noon". 

 

Tyler wants to support Butch's sobriety, but is going to have him tag along on a night of partying? Does not compute.

 

Maybe it was just me, but I didn't get the impression that Tyler really wanted him to come - as in it was something he really had in mind and would be upset if it didn't happen. But it was happening, and I think he felt it would be rude to not include Butch. I'd have to rewatch, but I seem to recall Tyler kind of tip-toeing around the issue, asking his dad something like, "Are you sure you'll be able to handle it?" I felt it was a situation where Tyler extended the invite because he didn't want Butch to feel left out, but maybe he was kind of hoping Butch would be responsible and decline. 

[sunsheyen]

It was me who asked it in the Farrah thread where I posted about Debra's and Farrah's LinkedIn profiles, which are umm......interesting, to say the least.

Thanks for explaining what LIONS is. Yep, sounds like we should address all further questions to Debra......

Do Catelynn's (bio) dad and her younger (half?) brother who uses a wheelchair still live with Cate & Tyler?

And where is Nick's bio dad? I think it's sweet that his ex-stepdad Butch considers him his son and brought him a sock puppet and all, but I mean....I hope Nick has a bio dad somewhere who has his life more together than Butch. Good for Butch for subscribing to the notion that you divorce spouses not (step)kids, but the whole situation is weird given that Butch went to. Jail for beating Nick's mom. And I'm not sure if I was April I'd be okay with my son visiting with his ex-stepdad who beat the shit out of me. Weird situation all together. It's obvious Nick cares about Butch, so I hope he's able to keep his act together for him and the other kids/grandkids.

I'd feel safe wagering that Nick's dad is a junkie somewhere, if April even knows who he is (no shade). How else would BUTCH be the loving father figure, even after 4 years in prison out of his relatively short life? Tyler's been more of a constant male figure than anyone else, but that boy loves him some Butch. Remember him and Tyler comforting/commiserating over Butch's cards and missed birthdays? He clearly thinks of Butch as his dad. No matter his junkie ways, Butch seems to value family in his own way, even down to his objection over Carly's adoption ( not that I agree with his behaviors) and he loves his people.

  

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IMO, Farrah has one or more incurable personality disorders, whether NPD, borderline, or sociopathy.

Lastly, Amber needs to get on medication for bipolar disorder immediately. She's not functional, and can't get a sentence out without losing her temper.

Those medications aren't addictive, whereas she's talking about feeling tempted to use just because Leah didn't come over on one day. "Why did I even go to prison?" Wow.

Hey, leave us borderliners out of this. That bitch is BEYOND! All the therapy in the world won't help her at this point, she has to realize that she might possibly be in the wrong sometimes before she can even process treatment. MI or not, it's all a choice, and she isn't choosing to recognize any perspective besides her own. It's not too late...but she will have to do it

herself.

Likewise, Amber seems to think that jail and not taking pills equals 'cured' which is not the case. If Matt was in any sort of serious recovery, he would be able to point that out to her. I suspect that right now, his view of sobriety is based on the fact that he is more sober than Amber (and protecting his free ride). She needs to be on appropriate meds, or at the very LEAST, in consistent talk therapy.

[Tatum]

 

 Oh, forget it. This is Cate and Tyler we are talking about. For them, long-term planning is figuring out when the pizza coupons expire. 

 

Hey, leave us borderliners out of this. That bitch is BEYOND!

 

I'd feel safe wagering that Nick's dad is a junkie somewhere, if April even knows who he is (no shade).

 

 

 

You guys are killing me! My coworkers think I'm crazy sitting here giggling to myself.

[kira28]

My thoughts.. April is using again. She looks terrible. And how in the hell does she get all of these men to marry her?? Tyler has no respect for Cait. Cait is WAY too insecure and needy. I get the whole not going to a strip club thing for a bachelor party. But honey I really don't think you have anything to worry about. I think Tyler would rather have a d*** in his face (as he suggested Caitlyn should do) rather than see strippers. I think his dad is out of prison and Tyler wants to act as he thinks a man should and talk about strippers because that is what he thinks men do at a bachelorette party.

 

Amber is a mess. She is not the better parent. Of the two households Gary's is my pick, even if its for Kristina. IMO Gary did not put words in Leah's mouth. I believe Amber lays around and whats his name takes care of her when she's at Ambers. Amber is not a good mother and while I think Leah would benefit from a set schedule I really hope Amber is not awarded joint custody.

 

Farrah is insufferable. I feel bad for Deborah. Sophia is a beast. Not her fault though. Farrah totally sent herself those flowers and told Simon to go along with it.

 

Maci is a bitch. Ryan's parents watch your daughter for you and you bitch about how they spend too much time with Bentley and he wants to be "home". Um the kid loves his grandparents (and his dad) and probably loves spending time with them. But maci is trying to force this insta-family of her and the ugly bearded one down Bentley's throat. And who in the hell takes their six week old daughter to daycare when they don't have to!! You can't tell me they both work at the same time but both were able to be there for Bentley's first day of school. Maci should have enough money to hire a nanny to watch Jayde while she works. What about her parents? Not to knock people who put their kids in daycare (I do it every day so I can work) but if someone has the means I can't imagine sending such a young infant to daycare.

[NikSac]

His excuses were so lame and totally confusing. All I heard was - "I'd have to get out of bed before noon".

 

Same here. I don't think there was any other reason.  I imagine that's also why he missed the mud run. (although funny side note, a bunch of people got sick doing a mud run last year due to accidentally consuming cow or pig feces, so there are other reasons to miss mud runs)

[mxmummy]

I totally get Maci wanting Bentley home a couple weekends a month now that Bentley is in school. During the week it is impossible to do anything while in school. Family time out doing things together would have to be on the weekends. Maci goes above and beyond in my opinion to have Bentley with Ryan and his parents.

 

Farrah needs CPS to show up on her doorstep and take Sophia away. The way she acts is child abuse and she is screwing that poor little girl up.

[Maharincess]

Maci is a bitch. Ryan's parents watch your daughter for you and you bitch about how they spend too much time with Bentley and he wants to be "home". Um the kid loves his grandparents (and his dad) and probably loves spending time with them. But maci is trying to force this insta-family of her and the ugly bearded one down Bentley's throat. And who in the hell takes their six week old daughter to daycare when they don't have to!! You can't tell me they both work at the same time but both were able to be there for Bentley's first day of school. Maci should have enough money to hire a nanny to watch Jayde while she works. What about her parents? Not to knock people who put their kids in daycare (I do it every day so I can work) but if someone has the means I can't imagine sending such a young infant to daycare.

I don't get the daycare thing either, she went into hysterics at the mere thought of putting 3 and 4 year old Bentley in daycare but she drops her infant daughter off and walks away without a thought.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I've always thought that Ryan had some sort of prescription pill thing going on. Sometimes the way he talks is so...off. Maci loves to mess with him. She's still so high school, I feel like she broke up with Kyle because people thought he was funny looking.  But here she is with the leprechaun. She gets really aggressive with Ryan when he's with another girl. And then when they break up, she goes back to tolerating him.

 

When Tyler said "I want you to have some stranger's dick in your face," my husband turned to me and said "if I ever say that to you, you can punch me."  I mean, really, it's an insult. Tyler doesn't seem to care that much for his new wife...it's been strange for a few years. I have the feeling he sticks it out with her because he thinks that's normal or he loves the fame. I'm not sure. Caitlyn's weight is what it is. I was not one of those women who could lose weight while breastfeeding.  Since I stopped, I've actually lost more weight. It's sort of a weird thing. I don't get why they had to have a baby right then at that point before anyone had finished school and before they got married, but whatever.

 

Farrah is just...I can't. And her mom. I'm pretty sure her mom sticks around for the fame and the money. Also that Farrah is giving back Deborah's mommying in spades. Sophia smacking the crap out of her mom was shocking, but not as shocking as Farrah's non reaction to it. I have a 4.5 year old. He would not get the opportunity to hit me multiple times. And if he did hit me, there would be immediate consequences.  Sent to room and then a serious conversation about appropriate ways to get someone's attention or express frustration. I'm not sure why Farrah kept berating her awful mom while Sophia was smacking her, or why when she did finally acknowledge Sophia she was not exactly angry - unless she was so much enjoying making her mom cry she didn't want to notice.