S06.E01: Life's A Pitch

[TattleTeeny]

Kyle appeared to not just be shocked that Yolanda didn't wear makeup but repulsed. Does she have a panic attack when she she's someone that doesn't look beautiful? She also had a mini breakdown when her mother in law had got out of surgery for a facelift. She couldn't handle it. Kyle seems like she would fall apart if she was in the real world, seeing real people. She lives in a total fantasy land. It was just so surprising how repulsed and bothered she was by it, like it made her feel scared. Her world is crumbling! She isn't surrounded by beautiful people!

 

I took away none of this from the few things Kyle said and saw absolutely zero evidence of falling apart and having a meltdown. This is, IMO, a whole lot of assumptions about what goes on inside a complete stranger's mind. 

 

She is really coming off at super uber stuck up this season.

 

The season has been one episode.

 

I don't think Kyle wants to go through the 19 years of not going to parties or on vacations and going to lots of therapy and tense conversations and the basic reckoning of everything that goes into getting there.

 

I might be missing your point here--and if I am, I apologize for being a big doofus--but I wouldn't blame Kyle for not wanting to give up these things or do the other stuff. 

Edited December 4, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[Roxy]

OMG, I am so fangurling all over Eileen Davidson. I was so scared when she came on this show as she is one of my all time favorites on both Days and Y&R. I loved her last season and I love her more this season...already! She is so fun to watch and I agree with her about taking the snide crap from Brandi to heart. It was rude and inconsiderate but maybe she had a point. I love that she's secure enough to see that.

 

I still think Rinna's a kick in the pants. She's funny and has no filter and Harry Hamlin still looks hot. I love that Mad Men gave him a real boost as I like seeing older actors making it work for themselves in that superficial business. And I just like them. The daughters, not so much, but I want to have cocktails with the parents. I think they'd be entertaining as hell.

 

Lisa V is still a bitch but she's fine. I never really liked her but whatever. 

 

I feel bad for Kyle as I think she's a punching bag for Kim and I find her Hilton sister so annoying. I'm offended by both her and Kim in general. Kyle seems to be the least offensive to me and I think she's had to bear the brunt of Kim's crap over the years.

 

Poor Yolanda. I had no clue David left her but it doesn't surprise me. I couldn't see him sticking around when she wasn't the hot, perfect wife who called him her "king". Dealing with a chronically sick wife is challenging for even an unselfish man. It's really hard and I'm sure he's too busy being fabulous to be tied down with the sick broad. Nice move, David, dump the girl when she's down. Maybe I'm wrong about the details but I'm just reading about the break on this board. 

 

Just think it's crappy. Not interested in the new ladies at all but LOVE not having Brandi and Kim. Good riddance.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Roxy

[StevieRocks]

Lisa Rinna and Jax Taylor from Vanderpump Rules are the 2 reality stars I have a hard time looking at directly. It's not that I think they're unattractive, but they each have features that remind me of something unpleasant. Rinna's lips = a shiny butthole.  Jax's hairy jawline = a set of greasy, hairy, low hanging balls.  Sorry.

 

I have to watch both of them with my head turned to the side and I frequently catch myself grimacing. LOL.

Lololololololololol!

Sorry????? How DARE you apologize for the greatest insight of 2015?

And the winner of the Internet is...RYEBREAD! Plus...Peabody Award is forthcoming.

[WireWrap]

I made that original comment about Kyle talking so much about Kim. WireWrap pointed out to me that basically the Kim storyline needs to be addressed because of all the publicity Kim garnered in the off season. In retrospect that makes sense and I agree. So now my hope is Kyle ties up the Kim drama and moves past it. I would like to see her on her own so to speak. Plus I have Kim fatigue and I am tired of is she sober or not drama? That story has been done to death.

Sadly I think we will get a lot of Kim AND Katy this season from Kyle. There was SOOOO much happening between/with the 3 sisters and their families while they were filming this season. I had hoped to find out WHO Kyle is without either sister in the story. I was never a fan of Kyle but thought Kim was the more the cause of why I initially disliked Kyle an wanted to see if I changed my mind with Kim gone.

 

Yeah it does but  much more because she can't just let it be. Kim is who she is and she may never recover fully so I don't understand why Kyle doesn't just avoid the issue. I mean here she is talking about how she feels bad because she can't fix her. Maybe Kim doesn't want to be fixed. Accept it and have a different relationship. Kyle's "help" hurt Kim more than helped. She is not a project to be fixed by anyone but herself. Let her know you love her just as she is and let her problems be her responsibility and for fuck's sake stop making her a storyline for your storyline. It's really fucked up.

I don't think Kyle CAN avoid Kim because of Kim's kids. At some point during filming, as ZM said, Chad was living with Kyle/family. Kim's kids seem to turn to Kyle and her family when she goes off the rails, not Kathy. I do agree, Kyle needs to let Kim sink or swim on her own at this point but saying that does not make it an easy task. I think Kyle has been the go to Sister/Aunt for so long that it is something she does without realizing it.

[TexasGal]

They did not all say the same thing.  Kyle's reference was to women not going out to an upscale restaurant without make up.  She also said Yolanda looked good without make up.

And I think Lisa R was also complimentary about how she looked without makeup. It was just the VP's who were making negative comments.

[HumblePi]

You're welcome. Ha!

 

And I thought, and I thought and said to myself 'no you can't do that' so I thought some more and thought 'oh yeah, I could, my bad' so ....

 

So I did it and I apologize, but it is what it is.

 

*my first choice was worse, but I decided to go with something more in good taste.

Edited December 4, 2015 by HumblePi

[Giselle]

More Eileen?  Your wish is my command. I know this isn't what you meant but I can't resist.  Her house, and lack of maintenance, fascinates me so.

 

Here's a pic of Eileen's house last year from Bravo's site.   I just paused the DVR of the shot of her house from this episode and compared the two. See the windows across the front of the rotunda?  Whatever that is growing has completely covered them up this year.  See the wall with the window with the awning?  Also almost covered over. Vegetation is now growing out of the gutters on the very top of the rotunda and up the chimney where none grew last year. 

 

Dear Interior Decorator: Taking down the draperies is only going to do so much to bring light and air into that house. Implore them to hire a landscaper. The condition of this house pains me as the architecture looks like it could really be something, you just can't see it.  I know - as long as Eileen likes it so what - but dang if a few pots of geraniums at the entry wouldn't make a world of difference.  I watch this show for house porn.  Dammit Eileen, you're so close.

 

 

 

Reminds me of a beautiful girl in a bikini that is way over do for a good waxing.

[FozzyBear]

I might be missing your point here--and if I am, I apologize for being a big doofus--but I wouldn't blame Kyle for not wanting to give up these things or do the other stuff.

I was probably vague in my post. I didn't mean the years of Kyle giving these things up, I meant the years of Kim giving them up because she isn't ready to handle parties or family trips or whatever sober. I have felt (I could be wrong) that Kyle always wanted a magic wand type of rehab for Kim where Kim would check in for 28 days and come out a person cured of, well everything. And cured in this specific way that didn't really impact anything. As in I feel like she expected Kim to go into rehab an alcoholic and come out someone who just doesn't like to drink anymore, like Jill Zarin or even Yo. I'm not sure Kyle was prepared to deal with a recently sober alcoholic in recovery. It's quite different than someone who just doesn't drink. Do I blame her for this magical thinking? No, of course not. I was only saying that I think Kyle's tendency to expect rehab to work like taking an antibiotic could account for why some people think she doesn't really, truly want Kim to be sober. I think she truly does and would give her right arm to make it happen, but sobriety can be complicated and Kyle's not really a complicated thinker.

[Bronzedog]

My take on Yolanda at the birthday party is that she had a panic attack. I have chronic Lyme (regardless of anyone's opinion that it doesn't exist) and I cough a lot but that was diagnosed as acid reflux. I would think with all the crap she ingests, that's not food, she could easily have acid reflux.

[sistermagpie]

Yeah it does but  much more because she can't just let it be. Kim is who she is and she may never recover fully so I don't understand why Kyle doesn't just avoid the issue.

 

 

LOL--I think understanding this is probably the main thing stuff like family counseling and Alanon is devoted to. It's the very rare family member who can just let it be and even those that do are often screaming inside.

 

I watch a lot of Intervention. :-)

[Giselle]

HumblePi I do believe you just made Lisa Rinna's Shit List!

[talula]

You're welcome. Ha!

 

  

And I thought, and I thought and said to myself 'no you can't do that' so I thought some more and thought 'oh yeah, I could, my bad' so ....

 

So I did it and I apologize, but it is what it is.

 

*my first choice was worse, but I decided to go with something more in good taste.

[nexxie]

At the time that scene was filmed Kim was pretty much on the lam after Mexico, and causing a lot of worry.  In about two weeks is when Kim gets caught shoplifting. 

 

It is strange because the Richards were taught not to talk about it.  Once Kim made it virtually impossible for the topic to be avoided it somehow becomes Kyle's issue.  At the time some of this was transpiring Kyle had Chad living with her.  So she was involved in her sister's life just not communicating with Kim (per Kim's request) like good sister Kathy, who just continues to deny everything or no comment the matter.

My guess is Kyle feels responsible for outing the big family secret, first by bringing Kim on the show with her after she was asked (explained on recent secret footage show), and then by uttering the A-word in the limo scene. Also, in the interviews producers ask Kyle about Kim because it's good story for them.

HumblePi I do believe you just made Lisa Rinna's Shit List!

Or, in this case, her spit list.

[DebbieM4]

Kyle appeared to not just be shocked that Yolanda didn't wear makeup but repulsed. Does she have a panic attack when she she's someone that doesn't look beautiful? She also had a mini breakdown when her mother in law had got out of surgery for a facelift. She couldn't handle it. Kyle seems like she would fall apart if she was in the real world, seeing real people. She lives in a total fantasy land. It was just so surprising how repulsed and bothered she was by it, like it made her feel scared. Her world is crumbling! She isn't surrounded by beautiful people! 

 

 

I didn't think she seemed at all repulsed.  Or the slightest bit scared.  She even said that Yolanda looks good without makeup.   My take on Kyle overall is very different from what you've described.

Edited December 4, 2015 by DebbieM4

[breezy424]

Gosh, I'll go on the record (once again) that I like Kyle.  I like her husband.  And I even like her kids.  I give Portia slack because she is just a little kid.    It seems Farrah is a hard working Realtor who is not interested in being on camera - and she has had opportunities whether it be Rich Kids of Beverly Hills (did I get that name right?) or Million Dollar Listing LA which would have, at the very least, gladly featured her on an episode or two since James and David work for The Agency.  As far as I know, the second daughter is still in college.  The third - not much featured.  Good for Kyle and Mauricio as parents.

 

I don't think she uses Kim as a story line at all.  As a family member of an alcoholic, I think she would rejoice if Kim was sober and she didn't have to deal with it.  Been down that road.  It's exhausting.  Unfortunately, Kim has done things on the show and done things during the off season.  Kyle has to address it.  Add to that Kathy who is pissed off that Kyle made this public.  Kathy should look at her own family and their sordid life in public.  Bottom line is Kyle is pissed.  And rightfully so.  Her talking about Kathy this season is basically an FU.  She's tired of the guilt trip by her sisters.  I applaud Kyle on this.  I also applaud Mauricio for telling Kyle she doesn't have to feel guilty.   From everything I've seen, her nieces and nephew love her and Mauricio to pieces. 

 

Kyle may have back fat and is short and doesn't always make the best fashion choices, but damn, the woman seems to have a great husband and normal kids.  Someone made a post about how bad she looked in the kitchen scene with Mauricio.  Sorry, the woman looked great.  She actually was wearing light eye shadow instead of 'raccoon' eyes with perfect healthy shiny hair pulled back.

 

If I had to choose who I'd rather hang out with for an evening, I'd choose Kyle or Eileen.   

[DebbieM4]

Yeah, I dunno. It's plausible she could be wrong about her kids but right about everything else. I would say that just because she's wrong about one thing, it doesn't mean that she wrong about everything. The issue with her kids, and the timeline in which their Lyme presented, is the only thing that doesn't fit in with eveything I've researched/know about Lyme. But I'm no expert. So I dunno.

 

But we already know that she hasn't been right about everything else.  The inconsistencies and embellishments have been going on for awhile now.

 

And for me, someone who's wrong about something certainly could be wrong about quite a lot of other things.  Especially when it's not really a case of being wrong - It's a deliberate representation of something as the truth when it's not.  In my book, that's lying.  And if someone lies about one thing, there's no reason to believe that they're truthful about anything else.  

 

I think she's sick.  I think she's been struggling, and I think it hasn't been easy for her.  But I also think there are way too many inconsistencies in what this woman says and what she does for me to have any faith that she is always truthful.  The nonsense about her kids - and especially using LD as an excuse for her daughter's DUI - just further proves IMO that she's all about image and that she has absolutely no problem exaggerating and outright lying.  So I take all things Yo with a huge grain of salt.

Edited December 4, 2015 by DebbieM4

[GreatKazu]

Long suffering Kyle just can't get to the understanding that Kim's illness is not about her unless of course she wants it to be and I suspect she does.

Kim's addiction is about Kyle because it has affected Kyle and her family for years.

 

 

I don't understand why Kyle doesn't just avoid the issue. I mean here she is talking about how she feels bad because she can't fix her. Maybe Kim doesn't want to be fixed. Accept it and have a different relationship. Kyle's "help" hurt Kim more than helped. She is not a project to be fixed by anyone but herself. Let her know you love her just as she is and let her problems be her responsibility and for fuck's sake stop making her a storyline for your storyline. It's really fucked up.

Easier said than done. This is not a story line created by Kyle or Bravo. This has been part of Kyle's life for years. It is not only about Kyle not walking away from Kim, but not being able to walk away from Kim's children who likely turned to Kyle many, many times over the years when they were dealing with their drunken mother. Hopefully, with the help of a therapist and a support group, Kyle can learn to remove herself from Kim's problems due to her addiction.

 

Kim has also been in the news a lot since the last season. That was real, not part of this show. Many times we want to know if something that happened during the off-season might have been caught on camera or if it will be mentioned on the upcoming season. Kim's TWO ARRESTS for her criminal actions are something I would expect to be mentioned on the show, especially if Kim is still going to be a part of this season. Since Kim is not going to be the one to talk honestly about her criminal actions, it has to come from her sister. Kim's criminal actions are not on the same level as tampon-gate, but if Brandi's off-camera drunken behavior can garner a mention on this show, I would expect to get an update on what is going down with Kim and how Kyle is dealing with it even if it is to just tie up loose ends and hopefully Kyle can move forward.

 

I am reminded of what Eileen said in Amsterdam the day after that glass-tossing incident. She wanted to know what happened and why is everyone acting like nothing happened. That is how I would feel if Kim's arrests and her continuing downward-spiral were never mentioned as Kim continues to grace our television screens.

 

 

Kyle appeared to not just be shocked that Yolanda didn't wear makeup but repulsed. Does she have a panic attack when she she's someone that doesn't look beautiful? She also had a mini breakdown when her mother in law had got out of surgery for a facelift. She couldn't handle it. Kyle seems like she would fall apart if she was in the real world, seeing real people. She lives in a total fantasy land. It was just so surprising how repulsed and bothered she was by it, like it made her feel scared. Her world is crumbling! She isn't surrounded by beautiful people!

This is not at all what went down in that scene. Kyle stated clearly, and in English, that YoFo looked good without make-up. Never did she imply or say she was repulsed.

 

 

For all the finger wagging at the "judgmental assholes" who are daring to suggest Yolanda swipe on a little mascara and lipgloss for the bday party, nobody is hesitating to quickly point out Kyle's "back fat" and Lisa V's less than perfect stomach/butt!

Perfect!

Edited December 4, 2015 by GreatKazu

[rehoboth]

Why wasn't Mauricio invited? That seems quite odd.

I didn't know that Mo wasn't invited to the wedding and my perception of him has changed.  For the better.  If the Hilton's don't want him around then I think the chance that his character has class and integrity has gone up.

[motorcitymom65]

I didn't think she seemed at all repulsed.  Or the slightest bit scared.  She even said that Yolanda looks good without makeup.   My take on Kyle overall is very different from what you've described.

Thank you. I thought I was going insane and had to watch the scene again. I never got the impression that Kyle was at all repulsed. She said that it was extremely unusual to see someone at an event in BH without make-up. She seemed to be confirming how ill Yo must be to break the BH rules of how one should look in public. She also said she looked beautiful without makeup.  

[motorcitymom65]

Yeah it does but  much more because she can't just let it be. Kim is who she is and she may never recover fully so I don't understand why Kyle doesn't just avoid the issue. I mean here she is talking about how she feels bad because she can't fix her. Maybe Kim doesn't want to be fixed. Accept it and have a different relationship. Kyle's "help" hurt Kim more than helped. She is not a project to be fixed by anyone but herself. Let her know you love her just as she is and let her problems be her responsibility and for fuck's sake stop making her a storyline for your storyline. It's really fucked up.

There is so much here that we don't know or understand. Maybe Kim does want to be "fixed". Maybe behind the scenes Kim is begging Kyle to help her. Help her financially, help her find a place to live, help her get work. Maybe she isn't, but clearly there are major issues between the two, and apparently with Kathy too. I said last season after Kim was arrested that the reality was we were not done with Kim, no matter what Bravo might be saying or implying, no matter how much we hoped it would be otherwise. There was no way in the world that with all that happened with Kim (the arrest at the hotel, then at Target) that we wouldn't hear about her this season. How would that even be possible on a reality TV show? The entire last half of the season last year was about Kim and her addictions. It was all about was she or wasn't she still using. Relationships ended and were tested based on this one question, and yet all was confirmed literally the day after the reunion aired. How could we hope or expect for Kyle to not talk about this at all on her reality TV show, when she was going through it at the time of filming? 

[tenativelyyours]

I just want to say that thanks to this site I got myselt a nice steak dinner.  Made a bet that if Kyle didn't talk about Kim she would be blamed for trying to hide it and not be open and honest.  And if she did mention it somehow that would be a fault of hers as well.

 

I have not liked Kyle all that much since the first season when she and Kim sashayed into the grocery store with camera crew in tow and, to me, clearly thought they were the end all to be all.  But one thing I love about her is the fact that no matter what she does, she draws blame like Lisa Vanderpump draws the drecks of society to be in her employ and Brandi Glanville draws....well, I'm gonna say flies. 

[sasha206]

So, am I the only one who thinks Kyle needs to lighten her hair and cut it?  It's dragging her face down.  

[Higgins]

Sadly I think we will get a lot of Kim AND Katy this season from Kyle. There was SOOOO much happening between/with the 3 sisters and their families while they were filming this season. I had hoped to find out WHO Kyle is without either sister in the story. I was never a fan of Kyle but thought Kim was the more the cause of why I initially disliked Kyle an wanted to see if I changed my mind with Kim gone.

 

I don't think Kyle CAN avoid Kim because of Kim's kids. At some point during filming, as ZM said, Chad was living with Kyle/family. Kim's kids seem to turn to Kyle and her family when she goes off the rails, not Kathy. I do agree, Kyle needs to let Kim sink or swim on her own at this point but saying that does not make it an easy task. I think Kyle has been the go to Sister/Aunt for so long that it is something she does without realizing it.

Why must she avoid her?

[WireWrap]

Why must she avoid her?

You said that Kyle should 'avoid' Kim's 'issues', I said she can't because it has a direct effect on her, Kyle's,/Mauircio's/families lives.

[zoeysmom]

There is so much here that we don't know or understand. Maybe Kim does want to be "fixed". Maybe behind the scenes Kim is begging Kyle to help her. Help her financially, help her find a place to live, help her get work. Maybe she isn't, but clearly there are major issues between the two, and apparently with Kathy too. I said last season after Kim was arrested that the reality was we were not done with Kim, no matter what Bravo might be saying or implying, no matter how much we hoped it would be otherwise. There was no way in the world that with all that happened with Kim (the arrest at the hotel, then at Target) that we wouldn't hear about her this season. How would that even be possible on a reality TV show? The entire last half of the season last year was about Kim and her addictions. It was all about was she or wasn't she still using. Relationships ended and were tested based on this one question, and yet all was confirmed literally the day after the reunion aired. How could we hope or expect for Kyle to not talk about this at all on her reality TV show, when she was going through it at the time of filming? 

It is unfair to the others to not include Kim in their discussions.  I don't think Kim every really apologized to Eileen for the really nasty way she behaved and treated Eileen and Vince.  Eileen has done exactly ZERO to Kim.  The fact she was part of an ensemble cast and chose to stay on the sanity side of things is really not a reason to attack.  Same with Yolanda and her illness.  Her illness and behavior has effected their on screen lives.  These magic erasers of Kim is an alcoholic and not responsible and Yolanda has brain fog do little to undo their assertions about the others' character.

 

From the little we have seen of Kim on RHOBH (the first part of the episode) she has not changed, gotten better or anything else.  Whatever Rinna did to her is not about Kim's recovery.  Kim is suppose to be making amends not demanding or fishing for apologies.  What Kim did to Harry Hamlin, as a person was unconscionable-he is a working actor trying to stay employed, last thing he needs are statements of unspeakable rumors.  Her hatred and anger towards Lisa was no excuse.  To me she should be seeking HH out and give him an unqualified apology for hurting him and his children.  There is just this entire litany of people she needs to apologize to -especially those who her dog attacked.  Only someone like Kim can make her dog's vicious bites about her dying ex-husband feelings and detriment to his health.  Only Kim. 

 

Kim's alcoholism and subsequent criminal behavior are fair game.  If Kyle chooses to ask not be included in conversations about her sister that is one thing but Kim cannot demand Kyle and others just not speak of her.  She is after all, according to the good sister Kathy walking away with a paycheck for being on the show. 

[Higgins]

You said that Kyle should 'avoid' Kim's 'issues', I said she can't because it has a direct effect on her, Kyle's,/Mauircio's/families lives.

Because they decided to play Mommy and Daddy?

Kyle has a Jesus complex and as long as Kyle lords her "help" over Kim it gives Kim a reason to focus on her resentment at being "controlled instead of looking at herself.

I have seen it over and over again.

Edited December 4, 2015 by Higgins

[tenativelyyours]

It is unfair to the others to not include Kim in their discussions.  I don't think Kim every really apologized to Eileen for the really nasty way she behaved and treated Eileen and Vince.  Eileen has done exactly ZERO to Kim.  The fact she was part of an ensemble cast and chose to stay on the sanity side of things is really not a reason to attack.  Same with Yolanda and her illness.  Her illness and behavior has effected their on screen lives.  These magic erasers of Kim is an alcoholic and not responsible and Yolanda has brain fog do little to undo their assertions about the others' character.

 

From the little we have seen of Kim on RHOBH (the first part of the episode) she has not changed, gotten better or anything else.  Whatever Rinna did to her is not about Kim's recovery.  Kim is suppose to be making amends not demanding or fishing for apologies.  What Kim did to Harry Hamlin, as a person was unconscionable-he is a working actor trying to stay employed, last thing he needs are statements of unspeakable rumors.  Her hatred and anger towards Lisa was no excuse.  To me she should be seeking HH out and give him an unqualified apology for hurting him and his children.  There is just this entire litany of people she needs to apologize to -especially those who her dog attacked.  Only someone like Kim can make her dog's vicious bites about her dying ex-husband feelings and detriment to his health.  Only Kim. 

 

Kim's alcoholism and subsequent criminal behavior are fair game.  If Kyle chooses to ask not be included in conversations about her sister that is one thing but Kim cannot demand Kyle and others just not speak of her.  She is after all, according to the good sister Kathy walking away with a paycheck for being on the show. 

 

eh.  I'm feeling a bit petty this morning but still.  If Yolanda had a dog and it viciously bit someone, I'm guessing it would somehow go back the the Lyme.  Just saying.  Kim is heinous.  But self-involvement isn't just a world or a galaxy it si the whole freaking universe.

 

I think what bothers me most about shows like this when real lie actually intrudes on reality is that rarely is anyone stand up and stand firm on an issue.  Kim will always be seen as a victim.  And people will coo and prate false platitudes of hope and forgiveness adn recovery.  When they should simply tell Kim, to her face if she appears on the show, this is how I feel due to your actions and unti you take responsibility for them and show understanding and remorse, you and I as a social unit or experience do not exist.  I can wait however long it takes.  But I will not re-air the issue or address any further simply so you can draw a paycheck.  If that means you don't have a job?  In between praying to trash cans, wrap your lips around the words "do you want fries with that"  and make sure you remember well how that feels.'

 

Kim reminds me of a horrible horror movie I saw in Italy were a young woman you think is a rape victim stabbing to death her rapists turns out to be the true criminal (there was no rape I think instead she was killing youg men who simply did not desire her, it was weird it was not subtitled and I can speak Italian fine but I hear like a Peanuts child character stuck in school all day).  Anyway the movie ends with her stabbing the guy who tries to save her screaming "I am victim" over and over again with each stab of the knife.  To me that is Kim.  She'll gut you with her woes. 

[sistermagpie]

Because they decided to play Mommy and Daddy?

 

 

But a lot of that is surely Kim demanding they do that too, imo. And yes, they could have been strong and avoided it, but for Kyle especially that was going to be hard, especially since she's been raised since birth to see Kim as special and needing extra attention. Part of what's so creepy/fascinating watching the whole dynamic is, for instance, the fact that last season Kim wasn't really rejecting Kyle as a person who tried to interfere in her life, she was punishing her for not taking care of Kim the way Kim demanded to be taken care of. So she found Brandi to console her about how everyone was mean to her and of course she was handling her problems really well. Brandi's a great example for what Kim wants Kyle to be--she impresses everyone with vague dire references to how on the edge Kim is because she's so stressed and never thinks of herself, but also backs Kim up when she says she's not drinking and other people need to butt out and stop talking about interventions. As I think a recapper described her that night at Eileen's, she's the drunk girl defending the drunker girl and making scenes.

 

There's just no way given what we've seen of Kim that Kyle and Mauricio just decided to play Mommy and Daddy and pushed themselves into her life. Kim regularly turns up at things babbling about some crisis she's having, she's got kids who are often not being taken care of, she no doubt misses payments on her house that she shares with her kids and probably gets into car accidents etc. Getting other people to feel responsible for her seems to be one of the main ways she supports herself.

[Higgins]

There is so much here that we don't know or understand. Maybe Kim does want to be "fixed". Maybe behind the scenes Kim is begging Kyle to help her. Help her financially, help her find a place to live, help her get work. Maybe she isn't, but clearly there are major issues between the two, and apparently with Kathy too. I said last season after Kim was arrested that the reality was we were not done with Kim, no matter what Bravo might be saying or implying, no matter how much we hoped it would be otherwise. There was no way in the world that with all that happened with Kim (the arrest at the hotel, then at Target) that we wouldn't hear about her this season. How would that even be possible on a reality TV show? The entire last half of the season last year was about Kim and her addictions. It was all about was she or wasn't she still using. Relationships ended and were tested based on this one question, and yet all was confirmed literally the day after the reunion aired. How could we hope or expect for Kyle to not talk about this at all on her reality TV show, when she was going through it at the time of filming? 

I thought Kyle said that Kim wasn't exactly knocking down her door?

[ryebread]

Because they decided to play Mommy and Daddy?

 

This.  Morris apparently, according to Kyle, helped Kim financially.  He should now say, "My bad.  Fool me once..."  and move on.  Kyle should do the same.  The second Kim's name was brought up in the kitchen I rolled my eyes and maybe groaned.  Continue talking about your business, Kyle.  Your day. Your children.  Just not the one named Kim.

 

Unless Bravo is telling her that she is obliged to talk about Kim, she should stop but she doesn't want to.  Yes, it is part of her story but she could choose to keep it private.  Yes, the viewers have seen what Kim has done and maybe we deserve to know more.  But I was under the impression nobody gave a shat about Kim Richards anymore.  I just want her to go away and get herself sorted.  I don't understand why anybody wants to talk about her at all. 

 

Give us something else to work with here, Kyle. If you can.

But a lot of that is surely Kim demanding they do that too, imo.

 

But we heard Morris and Kyle agree that they hadn't heard from Kim.  At all.

[sistermagpie]

But we heard Morris and Kyle agree that they hadn't heard from Kim.  At all.

 

 

Yes, I know Kim's currently in a period where she's refusing to speak to Kyle, as she's done before. I wasn't saying that the reason Kyle couldn't drop it was because Kim was demanding she do it now. I meant that for years Kim's built an identity around this sort of thing, as addicts do--the decision to play mommy and daddy came years ago. Kyle's co-dependence is her own problem to deal with, absolutely, but it is a problem that she has. As the counselors on Intervention would say, Kim's addicted to drugs, Kyle's addicted to Kim. It's part of her personality to obsess about Kim and identify herself as her caretaker, just as Kim's personality is more about falling apart. Kyle's now trying and not always succeeding to be just a person who isn't anybody's savior (and luckily it seems like that tendency hasn't dominating how she is as a parent). Kim's found other people to be responsible for her.

[WireWrap]

Because they decided to play Mommy and Daddy?

Kyle has a Jesus complex and as long as Kyle lords her "help" over Kim it gives Kim a reason to focus on her resentment at being "controlled instead of looking at herself.

I have seen it over and over again.

No, I don't think they tried to parent Kim at all but tried to keep Kim's kids safe. Someone needed to make sure there was food in the house for the kids, that the electricty was kept on, that medical needs were met, that the rent was paid and that the kids had emotional support because Kim wasn't doing that. That she, Kim, also benifited from their care of the children is a by product for the most part. Again, when this episode was filmed, Chad, who has psych/drug problems of his own, was trying to get his life in order and was living with Kyle/family at the time.

[ryebread]

Yes, I know Kim's currently in a period where she's refusing to speak to Kyle, as she's done before. I wasn't saying that the reason Kyle couldn't drop it was because Kim was demanding she do it now. I meant that for years Kim's built an identity around this sort of thing, as addicts do--the decision to play mommy and daddy came years ago. Kyle's co-dependence is her own problem to deal with, absolutely, but it is a problem that she has. As the counselors on Intervention would say, Kim's addicted to drugs, Kyle's addicted to Kim. It's part of her personality to obsess about Kim and identify herself as her caretaker, just as Kim's personality is more about falling apart. Kyle's now trying and not always succeeding to be just a person who isn't anybody's savior (and luckily it seems like that tendency hasn't dominating how she is as a parent). Kim's found other people to be responsible for her.

 

I agree with most of this, but why does Kyle want to continue to air it?  And why do any of us, who pleaded for Bravo to take Kim away, want to hear about her? 

 

If Yolanda and Kim (via Kyle) are the main focus this season, it's going to be a long one.  Especially for those suffering from Lyme or addiction.  Or those who love persons with Lyme or addiction.

[WireWrap]

I thought Kyle said that Kim wasn't exactly knocking down her door?

Kim refused to speak to Kyle after the reunion BUT Kim's kids did NOT and they are who draw Kyle/family back into Kim's mess.

This.  Morris apparently, according to Kyle, helped Kim financially.  He should now say, "My bad.  Fool me once..."  and move on.  Kyle should do the same.  The second Kim's name was brought up in the kitchen I rolled my eyes and maybe groaned.  Continue talking about your business, Kyle.  Your day. Your children.  Just not the one named Kim.

 

Unless Bravo is telling her that she is obliged to talk about Kim, she should stop but she doesn't want to.  Yes, it is part of her story but she could choose to keep it private.  Yes, the viewers have seen what Kim has done and maybe we deserve to know more.  But I was under the impression nobody gave a shat about Kim Richards anymore.  I just want her to go away and get herself sorted.  I don't understand why anybody wants to talk about her at all. 

 

Give us something else to work with here, Kyle. If you can.

 

But we heard Morris and Kyle agree that they hadn't heard from Kim.  At all.

IMO, there was NO way that Kyle could avoid talking about Kim on the show, NO WAY! Kim was in the news at the time filming was going on and Kyle would get slammed for keeping her mouth shut as well. Also, Chad,Kim's son, was living with Kyle/family at the time of filming, so never talking about Kim would be impossible.

[TattleTeeny]

Because they decided to play Mommy and Daddy?

Kyle has a Jesus complex and as long as Kyle lords her "help" over Kim it gives Kim a reason to focus on her resentment at being "controlled instead of looking at herself.

I have seen it over and over again.

It's hardly a complex to want--or even feel compelled--to take care of a close family member (even if you're not doing it in the most effective way). They can't make Kim do what Kim doesn't want to do. And these people have multiple children; why on earth would they even want to "play Mommy and Daddy" to an adult whose mess is largely of her own making? (Also, if they are playing Mommy and Daddy, Kim should thank the gods that they chose to do so for her children, because she sure didn't seem to be.)

Edited December 4, 2015 by TattleTeeny

[Giselle]

I know Kyle has to talk about what was/is happening with Kim and family because it was going on at the time f filming and she is damned if she does/doesn't talk about it, but I do have Kim fatigue. I am tired of hearing about it and I damn sure don't want to see Kim in any way shape or form on TV. Sober or not I have had my fill of her. I do hope, and it seems so, that Kyle is relinquishing having to constantly be dragged into Kim's messy life save for the kids.

[eurekagirl mOo]

If I could trade place with a housewife it would be:

A) Kyle- Because she has beautiful homes, and the cutest kids ever plus a smoking hot husband. Not to mention her own business! And I'd really like to be "younger" :)

B) Lisa V. because she has a beautiful home, a husband who adores her, and several businesses.

Not an either A or B-----This is A and B for me

[AuntiePam]

I lost some sympathy for Kyle in the reunion episode where they talked about the dog bite.  Kyle defended the tweeting/instagram photos and argued that she didn't say whose dog did the biting.  Kim responded that it didn't matter, everyone knew that it was Kingsley, and that when she asked Kyle to stop the tweeting, Kyle refused.  How hard would it have been for Kyle to stop publicizing the bite?  It's a simple thing to do to shut Kim up.  Yeah, Kim made herself out to be a victim, but Kyle enabled that.

[ryebread]

I think Lisa VP is tired of being Kyle's sounding board re: Kim.  She's replacing Kim with Yolanda as the one she talks about.  And has replaced Brandi with Rinna as the one she does the talking TO.  Rinna will lap that pink attention up like Giggy laps the peanut butter.

Lisa seems to enjoy a Brandi or Rinna type as her sidekick. Loud, yappy and uncouth. I think it's so she can remain being seen as the calm, cool, classy and collected one.

[Giselle]

I lost some sympathy for Kyle in the reunion episode where they talked about the dog bite.  Kyle defended the tweeting/instagram photos and argued that she didn't say whose dog did the biting.  Kim responded that it didn't matter, everyone knew that it was Kingsley, and that when she asked Kyle to stop the tweeting, Kyle refused.  How hard would it have been for Kyle to stop publicizing the bite?  It's a simple thing to do to shut Kim up.  Yeah, Kim made herself out to be a victim, but Kyle enabled that.

 

Sorry but Kim gets no support, and Kyle no blame from me in that instance.

 

Your dog bites my daughter,  you blame her,  I post pictures of her in the hospital with her friends and you want me to stop. "Fuck you!" especially when you have no remorse.

[WireWrap]

I lost some sympathy for Kyle in the reunion episode where they talked about the dog bite.  Kyle defended the tweeting/instagram photos and argued that she didn't say whose dog did the biting.  Kim responded that it didn't matter, everyone knew that it was Kingsley, and that when she asked Kyle to stop the tweeting, Kyle refused.  How hard would it have been for Kyle to stop publicizing the bite?  It's a simple thing to do to shut Kim up.  Yeah, Kim made herself out to be a victim, but Kyle enabled that.

Actually, Kyle posted that photo days after the bite, which had already been reported on by the tabloids if my memory is correct. AND that photo was nothing more than her daughter surrounded by her sisters/mom while they tried to cheer her up and make it less stressful. Kim did NOT ask Kyle to 'stop tweeting', she had her daughter, Whitney, call Kyle and TELL her to remove the hospital photos from her twitter account. Those photo(s) had NOTHING to do with Kim, zip, zero, nada, they were all about family supporting family, which is something Kim knows nothing about giving, Kim is only on the recieving end of support because it is something she fails to give anyone else....including her very own children.

Edited December 4, 2015 by WireWrap

[mbutterfly]

Kim refused to speak to Kyle after the reunion BUT Kim's kids did NOT and they are who draw Kyle/family back into Kim's mess.

IMO, there was NO way that Kyle could avoid talking about Kim on the show, NO WAY! Kim was in the news at the time filming was going on and Kyle would get slammed for keeping her mouth shut as well. Also, Chad,Kim's son, was living with Kyle/family at the time of filming, so never talking about Kim would be impossible.

Just so I can be clear. When Kyle and Mauricio were having that conversation filmed Chad was living with them. So once again Kyle -- rather privately apparently -- is taking care of Kim's son, but Kim and Kathy are being crappy to her. Have I got it right?

[WireWrap]

Just so I can be clear. When Kyle and Mauricio were having that conversation filmed Chad was living with them. So once again Kyle -- rather privately apparently -- is taking care of Kim's son, but Kim and Kathy are being crappy to her. Have I got it right?

Yes, you have it right! Kim's kids turn to Kyle for help/support and Kim/Kathy do treat Kyle like crap and have for years.

[sistermagpie]

I agree with most of this, but why does Kyle want to continue to air it?  And why do any of us, who pleaded for Bravo to take Kim away, want to hear about her?

 

 

That's a valid question, but I'd guess it's probably a combination of first, Kyle actually does like talking about Kim. I mean, it's an obsession even when she's trying to get over it. But also her place on the show has always been a lot about Kim. Her refusing to talk about it would be like characters on RHONJ refusing to talk about the Guidice troubles. Sure she could do it, but she knows the show would want otherwise and since she doesn't really mind talking about Kim herself--and isn't even really sharing sordid new details--she's probably fine with it.

 

I lost some sympathy for Kyle in the reunion episode where they talked about the dog bite.  Kyle defended the tweeting/instagram photos and argued that she didn't say whose dog did the biting.  Kim responded that it didn't matter, everyone knew that it was Kingsley, and that when she asked Kyle to stop the tweeting, Kyle refused.  How hard would it have been for Kyle to stop publicizing the bite?  It's a simple thing to do to shut Kim up.  Yeah, Kim made herself out to be a victim, but Kyle enabled that.

 

 

I would have thought she kind of did the opposite with the tweets.This is exactly the type of thing many non-celebrity people do tweet about, weird injuries and scary things that land them in the hospital. Kim was basically asking her to cover it up because she wanted to downplay the whole thing. So I think Kyle helping her do that would probably make it easier for Kim to be the victim. I mean yes, Kim jumped on that as a thing that made her a victim, but did anybody really hear that as a valid thing for Kim to be angry about? She was going to find something to blame Kyle for regardless. 

 

It's kind of sad, really. If Kim was a regular person, if we imagine a scenario where her dog still bit Kyle's daughter (this time not so much due to irresponsibility) Kim probably would have been there in the hospital. Instead she sees even Kyle's daughter as her enemy who screwed Kim over by getting bitten. So while the normal family members are just saying "Hey, that sucks that you got hurt. Glad you're feeling better. We came to cheer you up!" Kim's spinning all these conspiracy theories and imagining how they're hurting her. I think Kim's own kids were at the hospital at some point, right? It was probably awkward for them too since Kim's dog is basically their dog, but they probably could say they were sorry it happened at their house.

[laurakaye]

Lisa Rinna and Jax Taylor from Vanderpump Rules are the 2 reality stars I have a hard time looking at directly. It's not that I think they're unattractive, but they each have features that remind me of something unpleasant. Rinna's lips = a shiny butthole.  Jax's hairy jawline = a set of greasy, hairy, low hanging balls.  Sorry.

 

I have to watch both of them with my head turned to the side and I frequently catch myself grimacing. LOL.

I made the grave mistake of reading this post in the midst of sipping from a can of diet Coke.  While at work.  Slight choking ensued while I attempted to swallow and laugh simultaneously.  And ZOMG...I will NEVER look at Lisar the same, like, EVER.

[ryebread]

I made the grave mistake of reading this post in the midst of sipping from a can of diet Coke.  While at work.  Slight choking ensued while I attempted to swallow and laugh simultaneously.  And ZOMG...I will NEVER look at Lisar the same, like, EVER.

 

You're making me laugh, too. Because I realize as you wrote this, you hadn't gotten to the pictures yet. LOLOL

[AuntiePam]

Sorry but Kim gets no support, and Kyle no blame from me in that instance.

 

Your dog bites my daughter,  you blame her,  I post pictures of her in the hospital with her friends and you want me to stop. "Fuck you!" especially when you have no remorse.

 

But that's you -- a normal person -- not Kyle, someone who constantly claims that she has Kim's back, supports her, would never do anything to hurt her.  It would have been a small thing to take the photo down, keep it among family.  The vibe I got from Kyle was "Here's my sister, hurting the family again -- see what I have to deal with?" 

 

I'm not defending Kim.  I think she's toxic.  But removing the photos would have gained points for Kyle, in her arguments that she really cares about Kim.  Kim was in the wrong, making it all about her, but Kyle could have taken the high road. 

Edited December 4, 2015 by AuntiePam

[bravofan27]

Did anyone notice the pan to sober Harry drinking beer? I guess there is something going on with his sobriety. When will this come up? Unless he is one of those sober alcoholics who only drinks at fancy BH parties. 

 

Posting pics of her daughter in the hospital definitely backfired. It made Kyle seem passive aggressive and bitter.

 

Lisa R. I did notice the armpit skin. I think that it's just because she's older and losing skin tone and elasticity, plus, she has no body fat to plump her skin out a bit, is a sign of her age. I've noticed this myself that my skin sort of is starting to sag or pull where it hangs off the bone because of gravity and just the fact the skin isn't as young and healthy as before. Maybe BH will invent a full body facelift where the skin all over gets pulled and tucked. I think Lisa R would look a lot younger if she gained a bit of weight. I think that is why Kyle looks so good (to me, she is incredibly beautiful, go figure) is that she has a nice amount of body fat to plump out her skin and keep it from sagging and looking old. 

 

But I still am really interested in why Harry was drinking beer. After she gloated about how her husband was sober and how his brothers killed themselves with alcohol last year, it makes me wonder if his drinking was a story line attempt, since it seems pretty obvious to not drink after your wife just insisted you were sober around the people she told you were sober too

Edited December 4, 2015 by bravofan27

[FozzyBear]

Did anyone notice the pan to sober Harry drinking beer? I guess there is something going on with his sobriety. When will this come up? Unless he is one of those sober alcoholics who only drinks at fancy BH parties.

From the way LisaR said it I was never completely sure if Harry got sober in the "Hi my name is Harry and I'm an alcoholic" sense or if he just stopped drinking after his brother died. But, no I didn't notice.

[ryebread]

Did anyone notice the pan to sober Harry drinking beer? I guess there is something going on with his sobriety. When will this come up? Unless he is one of those sober alcoholics who only drinks at fancy BH parties. 

 

I didn't notice. Could it have been an O'Doul's?  She's said in many interviews last season that he was 3 years sober.  So he must be going on 4. Or not.