Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore

[Tuxcat]

15 hours ago, Adiba said:

Kody was mainstream LDS — he even went on a 2 year mission. When he came back, his parents had decided to join the AUB and practice polygamy. Janelle was raised mainstream LDS and became AUB as an adult. Meri’s family started out LDS but became polygamous early in her childhood. No idea bout Robyn— and Christine’s grandfather was a founder of the AUB so she was raised in it.

It's interesting that Christine's mother left when Christine was 19. Her mother was deemed "not safe" and Christine was "loyal" to her father. As the story goes, it took years before Christine's mom was welcomed back into her and Kody's circle.

Now Christine has left, seemingly with the support of her mom, dad and "rest of the family." Do we know how many wives her dad had? I wonder if he still believes in "the principle." Do we know about her brothers and sisters?

I ask because it's interesting to me that Christine says she left "the faith," but the show focuses on her leaving Kody. Will she ever say she doesn't believe in "the principle?"

[Aspenglow]

I wish Christine would consider some legitimate career counseling/ educational opportunities now that she’s left so that she can make some money and provide for herself when the TLC gravy train ends. I’m sure she’ll be helping with the twins but she has so much more to offer than MLM schemes. 

[ginger90]

4 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Do we know how many wives her dad had?

Two, as far as I know.

[ginger90]

An article from September:
 

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/sister-wives-5-bizzare-ways-christines-divorce-kody-mirrors-mom-annies-escape-polygamy.html/

[ginger90]

[GeeGolly]

I love the face she gave Tony.

[Scarlett45]

4 hours ago, ginger90 said:

These are so cute! Did Truely make these or Christine. Are these sock gifts?

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

These are so cute! Did Truely make these or Christine. Are these sock gifts?

I'm guessing they're 'snowballs' and she ordered them online.

[ginger90]

They are from here https://somethingcutebysusan.bigcartel.com/  Mykelti lets small business owners post their business on her Facebook page, for small business day every year. This was one of them. Some of Christine’s are shown on this page.

Edited December 3, 2022 by ginger90

[Quof]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

These are so cute! Did Truely make these or Christine. Are these sock gifts?

I couldn't figure out which were names of humans and which were the names of pets.

[Scarlett45]

8 minutes ago, Quof said:

I couldn't figure out which were names of humans and which were the names of pets.

The pets are the ones that are the dog and cat shaped :) (Noel and Zelda are a dog and cat snow figure). I also recognized the human names when I zoomed in. 

10 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

They are from here https://somethingcutebysusan.bigcartel.com/  Mykelti lets small businesses owners post their businesses on her Facebook page for small businesses day. This was one of them. Some of Christine’s are shown on this page.

Oh! I like this. At first glance it looks like socks (or something soft like hat/glove sets) put into a snow-figure for presentation. But I love personalized festive things so this is right up my alley.

[Polliwollidoodle]

On another website I happened on, someone posted a youtube discussing the Christine and Kody relationship along with the other wives. It was really well done.

It's lifetime of lies, with Violetta Idyll.

I am assuming it is not ok to link here.

[TurtlePower]

1 minute ago, Polliwollidoodle said:

On another website I happened on, someone posted a youtube discussing the Christine and Kody relationship along with the other wives. It was really well done.

It's lifetime of lies, with Violetta Idyll.

I am assuming it is not ok to link here.

We link things all the time here. 

[Polliwollidoodle]

2 minutes ago, TurtlePower said:

We link things all the time here. 

thanks- wasn't sure. here you go.

It's 29 minutes and I watched the whole thing

[taragel]

Christine was interviewed on a podcast that just posted: Reality Life with Kate Casey. I listened last night and wouldn't say there were any real revelations but a few interesting tidbits

- She did have counseling/ therapy to learn how to deal with Kody, specifically hypnotherapy. (She breathes through it, tells herself nothing he says matters, plants her feet and grounds herself and finds her center. )

-She was indeed talking to others about leaving him when they were in Vegas. Janelle gave her good advice and said you can't leave until you can afford (financially) to support yourself. (This gives me hope that Plexxus is pretty damn lucrative for them both and Janelle also sorted her finances out and was able to separate herself.) 

-Her one stipulation to doing the interview was that the podcaster couldn't ask her about her individual relationships with the other wives. (Though they did ask about Janelle, since it's clear they're on good terms. Christine said Janelle is her best friend.) 

[smarty]

28 minutes ago, taragel said:

-She was indeed talking to others about leaving him when they were in Vegas. Janelle gave her good advice and said you can't leave until you can afford (financially) to support yourself. (This gives me hope that Plexxus is pretty damn lucrative for them both and Janelle also sorted her finances out and was able to separate herself.) 

Do you think it's the Plexxus that makes Christine the money, or the LuLaRoe?  I assumed the LuLaRoe made her more.  And her "Cooking with Christine" segment probably makes more than the LuLaroe? 

[Scarlett45]

17 minutes ago, smarty said:

Do you think it's the Plexxus that makes Christine the money, or the LuLaRoe?  I assumed the LuLaRoe made her more.  And her "Cooking with Christine" segment probably makes more than the LuLaroe? 

Didnt Meri get Christine and Mylketi in her downline for Lularoe? If its making Christine an income, thats probably the best thing Meri ever did for her.

[General Days]

27 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Didnt Meri get Christine and Mylketi in her downline for Lularoe? If its making Christine an income, thats probably the best thing Meri ever did for her.

People have said that Christine left Lularoe for Plexxus. I don't know if that's speculation or based on something more concrete.

27 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Didnt Meri get Christine and Mylketi in her downline for Lularoe? If its making Christine an income, thats probably the best thing Meri ever did for her.

Scratch what I said before. Christine is selling Plexxus, now. She's got a pink drink pimping post on Instagram and she links to another Instagram page called The Secret to Selfcare, which features herself and Janelle. 

Edited December 2, 2022 by General Days

[taragel]

3 hours ago, smarty said:

Do you think it's the Plexxus that makes Christine the money, or the LuLaRoe?  I assumed the LuLaRoe made her more.  And her "Cooking with Christine" segment probably makes more than the LuLaroe? 

She seems to be going hard on the Plexxus as a primary business, but said she does still sell LulaRoe in the interview. And yes, I imagine she makes something on the Cooking w/ Christine, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not really that much. Kody took a huge paycut to keep the show going and I saw it rumored that what they used to get per epsiode they now get for a whole season--and conjecture was it was as low as like 40-50K! So that only means 8-10K per person for each of the adults. It would be really ironic if Christine made more on her cooking show than she does participating in Sister Wives. I imagine she had to untangle her payment for SW from the family finances too. 

Edited December 2, 2022 by taragel

[Tuxcat]

2 hours ago, taragel said:

Christine was interviewed on a podcast that just posted: Reality Life with Kate Casey. I listened last night and wouldn't say there were any real revelations but a few interesting tidbits

- She did have counseling/ therapy to learn how to deal with Kody, specifically hypnotherapy. (She breathes through it, tells herself nothing he says matters, plants her feet and grounds herself and finds her center. )

-She was indeed talking to others about leaving him when they were in Vegas. Janelle gave her good advice and said you can't leave until you can afford (financially) to support yourself. (This gives me hope that Plexxus is pretty damn lucrative for them both and Janelle also sorted her finances out and was able to separate herself.) 

-Her one stipulation to doing the interview was that the podcaster couldn't ask her about her individual relationships with the other wives. (Though they did ask about Janelle, since it's clear they're on good terms. Christine said Janelle is her best friend.) 

Agree. I added a few thoughts too...

When Kody said on the show he had never been attracted to her, that was when she knew.

She said that even in Vegas  Kody was absent a lot of the time - and that he didn't really even know her kids. "If he was an awesome dad, I'd still be there"

She decided in Vegas that she was "done with the "faith;" its too controlling for women and I am a goddess and its time to step up and be that person" She told the family this on the way back from Utah when they visited the Darbers.

She traveled every other week back to Flagstaff for the last year to film the show.

About covid. She said "two months into covid I decided I didn't want to live in fear. Because I had been raised in fear.  And so I read up and tried to stay safe,  but I wasn't going to live in isolation and so I lived life to the fullest. And so I went all the time to see my kids...I went all the time. I wasn't going too let fear dictate me."

(((I'm so glad she could "live life to the fullest" - starting May 2020. I support Christine, and yes Kody used covid to drive a wedge and manipulate. But Christine is no hero when it comes to public responsibility in my opinion)))

She ends with "Plexus has been a business that has changed my life. Live and happiness. I feel better at 50 than I did 40. I have more energy."

(((its interesting to me that Christine abandoned the tenets of "the principle" even in Vegas - but yet Janelle still keeps talking about "the principle" in Flagstaff" Its' also interesting to me that Christine never elaborates on this part on the show.")))

Edited December 2, 2022 by Tuxcat

[Elizzikra]

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She did have counseling/ therapy to learn how to deal with Kody, specifically hypnotherapy. (She breathes through it, tells herself nothing he says matters, plants her feet and grounds herself and finds her center. )

I love this. Good for her! It seems to really work for her and it's definitely effective with The Asshat.

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About covid. She said "two months into covid I decided I didn't want to live in fear. Because I had been raised in fear.  And so I read up and tried to stay safe,  but I wasn't going to live in isolation and so I lived life to the fullest. And so I went all the time to see my kids...I went all the time. I wasn't going too let fear dictate me."

Not so much this. I don't live in fear but I wear a seatbelt in the car. I think that Christine was pretty irresponsible during COVID and she put herself, her children and strangers at risk. She was lucky no one she loved became seriously ill.

[lookeyloo]

I was impressed with Christine's non reaction to Kody's ravings.  I thought she had counseling/therapy/a life coach/ etc.  So I'm glad to see she had what worked for her.  the late psychologist Dr. Joy Browne used to say "the only person's behavior you can change is your own" and Christine was a perfect example of that.  And as stated above, Kody kept escalating trying to get her usual reaction.  Which didn't work.  Yay Christine at least for that.

[Shelbie]

I hope Christine also got some pleasure out of refusing to argue back with him. He escalated so quickly that he looked deranged while she appeared calm and composed. I imagine some giggles happened when she was alone and recalled the conversations.

[SunnyBeBe]

On 11/29/2022 at 12:17 PM, ginger90 said:

They are from here https://somethingcutebysusan.bigcartel.com/  Mykelti lets small businesses owners post their businesses on her Facebook page for small businesses day. This was one of them. Some of Christine’s are shown on this page.

I was going to order one, but the order form seems off.  They have photos of the options, but no numbers on them to pick from. Just a list of descriptions that are open to interpretation.  

[Teri313]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I was impressed with Christine's non reaction to Kody's ravings.  I thought she had counseling/therapy/a life coach/ etc.  So I'm glad to see she had what worked for her.  the late psychologist Dr. Joy Browne used to say "the only person's behavior you can change is your own" and Christine was a perfect example of that.  And as stated above, Kody kept escalating trying to get her usual reaction.  Which didn't work.  Yay Christine at least for that.

Me too. After all those years of raising toddlers, she knows how to handle a tantrum.

[Polliwollidoodle]

So I didn't recall anything about plexxus and just googled it. It's kind of what I thought BUT it is sold on amazon apparently.  Unless its a very small sampling, I'd say selling it ( and I would guess it's MLM) doesn't look like it's going to be too promising?

But yeah, good for them. Christine was always so articulate - I think Janelle was too, but Christine was really sharp. 

[LilyD]

On 12/2/2022 at 5:41 PM, taragel said:

Kody took a huge paycut to keep the show going and I saw it rumored that what they used to get per epsiode they now get for a whole season--and conjecture was it was as low as like 40-50K! So that only means 8-10K per person for each of the adults.

Wow... that's...shocking.... So basically they're now humiliating themselves and others for next to nothing? Jeez...flipping hamburgers at a fastfood restaurant is going to bring In more money*  than what each gets for filming the show. Why do they even bother to continue? 

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m skeptical they get paid that little for the show.  Has anyone actually confirmed it?  What I read was in In Touch and they relied on an article in Cheat Sheet….so….I,d be surprised if that were true.  

Edited December 3, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[Cetacean]

29 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Has anyone actually confirmed it?

Gossip rags are simply gossip without any real research behind it.  I wouldn't believe a word of what they print.

I think we do better on this forum with our stealthy sleuths looking a public records to follow the money.

[SunnyBeBe]

I wonder how Kody deals with the TLC handlers….lol.  I hope it’s better than his technique with Christine. 

Edited December 3, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[Roslyn]

31 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’m skeptical they get paid that little for the show.  Has anyone actually confirmed it?  What I read was in In Touch and they relied on an article in Cheat Sheet….so….I,d be surprised if that were true.  

I have always been heavily skeptical of this "massive pay cut" rumor that has floated around for a very long time. The $$ amounts have always been widely varied to make it seem like the whole family brings in less that $200,000 per year to split up between them.  There is just no way to pay the living expenses of the vegas houses let alone having the cash to pony up for $400,000 of property plus buying Christine's $500,000 house and all the rents etc etc in Flagstaff. And that is before counting in Robyn's $million house.

I think that rumor may have hit the online click bait sites around the time both Kendra and catfish Jackie were leaking tidbits to try to make themselves notable. I did find it very odd that in the video recently posted in the Spoilers thread of an interview with Christine's cousin, she flat out said that the Browns were told by TLC to boost up the drama or be dropped, and then she said the same thing, almost verbatim, of this drop in income. What makes me think it still isn't true is the fact that she doesn't seem to know the Browns beyond their circles overlap each other and the bloodline to Christine. She does have a good internal look at the AUB in general, but I wonder if she didn't pick up the rumor on the money from the same clickbait everyone has.

[Elizzikra]

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There is just no way to pay the living expenses of the vegas houses let alone having the cash to pony up for $400,000 of property plus buying Christine's $500,000 house and all the rents etc etc in Flagstaff. And that is before counting in Robyn's $million house.

Debt. Lots and lots of debt.

[SunnyBeBe]

The Browns probably do have debt, but at some point, credit dries up.  Lenders look at the income, credit rating and other  outstanding debt and assets.  

[Tuxcat]

5 hours ago, Roslyn said:

she flat out said that the Browns were told by TLC to boost up the drama or be dropped, and then she said the same thing, almost verbatim, of this drop in income. What makes me think it still isn't true is the fact that she doesn't seem to know the Browns beyond their circles overlap each other and the bloodline to Christine.

Agreed. She seemed to have no inside knowledge regarding the Browns specifically (with the exception of the anecdotes about cocky Kody) but she seemed fairly confident in her connection and information from My Five Wives ( a TLC show that lasted just one season). Her half sister told her that TLC dropped them "for not enough drama." So she's probably combining that info with reading about the "pay cut" and assuming they were told the same thing.

[GeeGolly]

For a year the Browns took on the roles of cameraman and sound man for the show. It seems a weird time for a pay cut, when TLC was actually saving money.

[taragel]

The pay cut was actually many seasons back. Now that the ratings are up again, maybe pay has increased. 

Here's the most recent piece I could find (dated 10/25/22) about payment from Nikki Swift's news site (she was the former head/founder of Deadline). There are links to the InTouch and SoapDirt articles at the link too :

https://www.nickiswift.com/1069511/how-much-money-do-the-stars-of-sister-wives-really-make-from-the-show/

Unlike other reality stars that have individual salaries, the Brown family in "Sister Wives" get paid as a collective. In Touch Weekly notes that the famous clan rakes in roughly 10% of the show's budget per episode, which is in the neighborhood of $250,000 to $400,000. If you do some quick math, the Browns only get $25,000 to $40,000. That may seem like a high amount, but there five adults (plus their kids) in the family splitting this salary.

However, there were also reports that the Browns took home more than that. Per Soap Dirt, the adult members of the family each took home $180,000, totaling nearly a million dollars per season. But when TLC suggested that they cancel "Sister Wives," the patriarch of the family, Kody Brown, reportedly negotiated the network and agreed to a pay cut to keep the show on the air. He purportedly proposed to continue doing the show for one salary, less than $200,000. This apparently happened for season 12, but seeing as the show is now on its 17th season, it's safe to say that his tradeoff was successful.

Edited December 4, 2022 by taragel

[GeeGolly]

Just grabbing figures out of the air ...

• Yearly income $200,000
• Monthly mortgage payment $2000
• Monthly food/groceries $1000
• Monthly house utilities/car fuel $1000
• Equals $48000 yearly
• $48000 x 4 = $192000

That only leaves $8000 a year, for clothes, toys, school supplies, medical costs and hair gel for 17 kids and 5 adults. Or around $1500 per adult including Kody. Or about a dollar a day for 22 people.

(Vegas figures)

Edited December 4, 2022 by GeeGolly

[Roslyn]

14 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Agreed. She seemed to have no inside knowledge regarding the Browns specifically (with the exception of the anecdotes about cocky Kody) but she seemed fairly confident in her connection and information from My Five Wives ( a TLC show that lasted just one season). Her half sister told her that TLC dropped them "for not enough drama." So she's probably combining that info with reading about the "pay cut" and assuming they were told the same thing.

Yes, I caught that part about the My Five Wives show. Except...that show was on for two seasons.

12 hours ago, taragel said:

The pay cut was actually many seasons back. Now that the ratings are up again, maybe pay has increased. 

Here's the most recent piece I could find (dated 10/25/22) about payment from Nikki Swift's news site (she was the former head/founder of Deadline). There are links to the InTouch and SoapDirt articles at the link too :

https://www.nickiswift.com/1069511/how-much-money-do-the-stars-of-sister-wives-really-make-from-the-show/

Unlike other reality stars that have individual salaries, the Brown family in "Sister Wives" get paid as a collective. In Touch Weekly notes that the famous clan rakes in roughly 10% of the show's budget per episode, which is in the neighborhood of $250,000 to $400,000. If you do some quick math, the Browns only get $25,000 to $40,000. That may seem like a high amount, but there five adults (plus their kids) in the family splitting this salary.

However, there were also reports that the Browns took home more than that. Per Soap Dirt, the adult members of the family each took home $180,000, totaling nearly a million dollars per season. But when TLC suggested that they cancel "Sister Wives," the patriarch of the family, Kody Brown, reportedly negotiated the network and agreed to a pay cut to keep the show on the air. He purportedly proposed to continue doing the show for one salary, less than $200,000. This apparently happened for season 12, but seeing as the show is now on its 17th season, it's safe to say that his tradeoff was successful.

To quote Kody..."Here's the thing..." No one outside of the Browns and their financial managers and the people who create the contracts and NDA's know what the Browns are paid or how their financials work. Yet these online sites are very specific as to the monetary payouts as if it is something that can just be found out somewhere. This kind of stuff always seems to go round and round the rumor mill every season.

[Elizzikra]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Just grabbing figures out of the air ...

• Yearly income $200,000
• Monthly mortgage payment $2000
• Monthly food/groceries $1000
• Monthly house utilities/car fuel $1000
• Equals $48000 yearly
• $48000 x 4 = $192000

That only leaves $8000 a year, for clothes, toys, school supplies, medical costs and hair gel for 17 kids and 5 adults. Or around $1500 per adult including Kody. Or about a dollar a day for 22 people.

Where are you getting the mortgage payment number from? Robyn's first mortgage on the manse has to be at least $5,000 per month. There's also Meri's mortgage. and rent for Janelle, plus rent for Christine until recently.

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Where are you getting the mortgage payment number from? Robyn's first mortgage on the manse has to be at least $5,000 per month. There's also Meri's mortgage. and rent for Janelle, plus rent for Christine until recently.

These are Vegas numbers. Apparently the $200,000 pay cut started a while back.

[gingerella]

10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Just grabbing figures out of the air ...

• Yearly income $200,000
• Monthly mortgage payment $2000
• Monthly food/groceries $1000
• Monthly house utilities/car fuel $1000
• Equals $48000 yearly
• $48000 x 4 = $192000

That only leaves $8000 a year, for clothes, toys, school supplies, medical costs and hair gel for 17 kids and 5 adults. Or around $1500 per adult including Kody. Or about a dollar a day for 22 people.

(Vegas figures)

These numbers are not correct because there's this pesky little thing called Taxes...But I'm sure Kotex abuses that system too.

[LilyD]

Oh yes, I'm sure Kodouche bends the tax rules in his favour. Or he declares himself bankrupt or he "forgets" to pay his taxes like last year. As far as the numbers mentioned above: We'll probably never truly know how much they got, the best we can do is estimates.

Having said so, even if they had a net income of 200K per family a year, when the season was at its peak, then they'd still not have enough to keep a family with their lifestyle, six kids and an expensive mortgage going.  Not to mention the costs of raising teens that would need driving lessons, cars and (sometimes) college money. I'm also sure Janelle spent a whopping fortune on her weekly groceries with 4 teenage boys! 

That leaves the one question: "How did they do it?" I don't know. I think they're brilliant in finding funds and setting up new loans. I don't believe they are much richer than we presume. If they were, Christine would not have resorted to crowdfunding for Ysabel, Robyn would not have had a lien on her house and Christine would have long since paid off Truely's hospital bill. (just a few things that come to mind now)

[taragel]

20 hours ago, Roslyn said:

Yes, I caught that part about the My Five Wives show. Except...that show was on for two seasons.

To quote Kody..."Here's the thing..." No one outside of the Browns and their financial managers and the people who create the contracts and NDA's know what the Browns are paid or how their financials work. Yet these online sites are very specific as to the monetary payouts as if it is something that can just be found out somewhere. This kind of stuff always seems to go round and round the rumor mill every season.

Right, but... as the head of Deadline, Nikki  (RIP, as she died earlier this year I believe) and/or her staff would have pretty good sources and good familiarity (as would many other Hollywood folks) as to what reality tv show budgets look like at TLC. So that top number about the budget is likely correct: 250-400K an episode. It sounds about right to me (my knowledge is limited but I'm a literary agent and when my authors books get adapted they get 2% of the budget for the film/TV episodes or a flat fee in the same ballpark) that the cast wouldn't get any more than 10% of the episode budget. So I think those numbers are probably pretty accurate. What happened regarding taking a pay cut in 2012 or subsequent raises afterwards or how the Kodouche clan allocates the money? All that we're very unlikely to ever know unless one of them actually talks about it (and even then... 🤷‍♀️). 

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

Oh yes, I'm sure Kodouche bends the tax rules in his favour. Or he declares himself bankrupt or he "forgets" to pay his taxes like last year. As far as the numbers mentioned above: We'll probably never truly know how much they got, the best we can do is estimates.

Having said so, even if they had a net income of 200K per family a year, when the season was at its peak, then they'd still not have enough to keep a family with their lifestyle, six kids and an expensive mortgage going.  Not to mention the costs of raising teens that would need driving lessons, cars and (sometimes) college money. I'm also sure Janelle spent a whopping fortune on her weekly groceries with 4 teenage boys! 

That leaves the one question: "How did they do it?" I don't know. I think they're brilliant in finding funds and setting up new loans. I don't believe they are much richer than we presume. If they were, Christine would not have resorted to crowdfunding for Ysabel, Robyn would not have had a lien on her house and Christine would have long since paid off Truely's hospital bill. (just a few things that come to mind now)

Completely agreed that the money they take in from the show seems like it could not possibly fully fund their lifestyles, maybe not even just their mortgages alone. Some percentage of all the graft (Kody's actual career as a gun salesman, Meri's inn, Lularoe, Plexus, Cameo income, whatever Robyn does, real estates sales) clearly goes into the family income, but even then.... In addition to the crazy housing and daily living expenses, Kody has a taste for fancy watches, a wardrobe x4, and previously at least, expensive cars. I agree that he likely funds his lifestyle by being "creative" with money just as he said last episode. He grifts the system, relying on backruptcy, tax evasion, and who knows what other under-the-table type dealings and no doubt carries an enormous amount of debt. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by taragel

[Absolom]

All I can say is that TLC does NOT usually follow the 10% of production costs of reality TV goes to the performers' salary.  We have a family member who has reviewed some TLC contracts (not SW) and the salary was among the lowest for reality TV.  The 10% is something a TV reviewer may have pulled out of their hip pocket a few years back based on a different network and has somehow now become fact.  So we have a guesstimate of production costs and an invalid percentage in play here.  

[GeeGolly]

I just read an article quoting Christine as saying, "I would have stayed if Kody was an awesome father".

She knows all her kids were grown and gone except for Truely, right?

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I just read an article quoting Christine as saying, "I would have stayed if Kody was an awesome father".

She knows all her kids were grown and gone except for Truely, right?

Look, I am not married or partnered and I am childfree so take EVERYTHING I say with a grain of salt, BUT I hear this a lot from women.

Most of the time, there isn't one reason why a long term relationship breaks up, but I have observed from my short 37yrs on this planet, that usually the man shows you what type of parent he is with kids 1 or 2, and women have more kids, because they want the CHILD, and don't 1. want to go looking for more sperm, 2. have to deal with another extended family group.

Also I have seen many women fall into the "my vagina is special trap", especially if they have seen the man have kids with another parent he didnt treat well, people have big egos and think that things will be different for THEM (and sometimes it is, people are often more devoted to the kids with their current partner than former partners because its logistically and emotionally easier).

I dont doubt Christine loves her kids, I dont doubt she loves Janelle's kids and was really good to them, but she didnt leave Kody because of his parenting skills, she left because it was the first time it was practically easiest to do so (with only one minor child left) and she had no more hope things would get better. This was about HER not the kids, which is hard for a lot of mothers to admit to themselves. Especially if you come from a family or social group where you believe (rightly or wrongly) that you NEED a man to help you raise your kids, your mind will jump through all sorts of hoops. And Kody was not violent or cruel or sexually abusive or anything of that nature which would make someone feel they had to get out ASAP (and some people even stay in those situations for a variety of reasons).

Christine is not atypical in that respect at all.

[sheshark]

Well, don’t forget Kodouche makes $200 an hour at his gun “sells” job.

[Irate Panda]

5 hours ago, sheshark said:

Well, don’t forget Kodouche makes $200 an hour at his gun “sells” job.

Meanwhile the sporadic $200/hr probably comes from him hiding in an overly stuffed closet filming Cameos while his kid is screaming and his wife is spending $300/hr online ordering crystals and She-Ra dolls.

Christine should get an order for child support and it has to be in the form of actual money not unpurchased goods from MSWC. 

[gingerella]

2 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

Christine should get an order for child support and it has to be in the form of actual money not unpurchased goods from MSWC. 

The problem with that is that Kotex is a vindictive piece of shit and he would come back at her with 'if I'm going to pay child support then I want Truley with me and Robyn 50% of the time!' And that would be to get back at Christine obviously, but he would be using Truley and weaponizing custody as his bullet. So Truley would be the loser. If I was Christine I would not ask for a dime, because then she can say to a court, 'the child's father gives me nothing', and it would be the truth.

[oliviabenson]

Even if a parent pays $0 in child support they are still allowed visitation. 

Right?